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Fester Addams	Posted - 2003.06.22 12:34:00 - [1] This post is only posted for one reason, have you actively searched factory stations for any duration but failed to find any free slots. If so then reply with your name and how long you have searched. My char Fester Addams has now searched for roughly 10hrs in an area of space where you are lucky to have another player within 5 jumps.
Merell	Posted - 2003.06.22 13:44:00 - [2] A week ago I started looking a bit more seriously, before that I just checked stations I happend to land in. So I started traveling out to more remote systems, since everyone keep saying, "there are slots, just not in the central systems" So I have now traveled 54 jumps from The Forge -Jita all the way out to Curse - Utopia. And I tell you, there is nothing here. Nothing! I talked to a CEO out here, he traveled to Curse over a week ago to get the slots out there. The current situation are locking new, (and current for that matter), players out of essential parts of the game. And just releasing "hogged" slots isn't a sulotion, if there are a high demand for slots in a system more than the current 16 should become available. The current situation is like only buidling 30million cars for the entire US market, and then let people fight over them. It has nothing to do with a free market, (more like what the communists did), and it also have a 0% fun factor for all the people that are locked out of the system.
Fester Addams	Posted - 2003.06.22 14:03:00 - [3] I may have been a tad unclear :/ This post is intended to collect the names of people who have been actively searching for factory slots (and research for that matter) and once the total number of people becomes significant I will petition the GM's about opening up slots for use suported by this thread. So if you have an interest in seeing slots open up (alot of slots are just hogged by people who cant use them I understand) sign. /PÕl
Carp Riddell	Posted - 2003.06.22 18:00:00 - [4] Although we've hardly scoured the known universe, we've covered the local regions well....and no slots of any type available. Please add the Innsmouth Shipping Co to the list of those after slots. One factory and one research somewhere in Heimatar (preferably Isendeldik) would make us all blissfully happy (and secure subs for some to to come). - Carp Riddell - CEO, Innsmouth Shipping - Proud Member of Curse Alliance
Pudee	Posted - 2003.06.22 20:28:00 - [5] Fester first let me semi-appologise for posting on this thread but it is a topic that I and others feels very strongly about. I do have 1 or 2 factories but as you say I got them early (UK here). Early on we knew that there would be serious problems for new customers in the future and pointed this out in a very vocal fashion, there were many posts made with suggested solutions some of them better than others but all were better than the current situation. The reason I said semi-appologise at the start is that I would like to be able to move my production to an area which is more suitable, so in that respect you can add me too your list of people who would like to see factories more freely available both for myself and for the long term benefit of the game i.e. allowing new customers to follow there chosen career path within the game.
Melamber	Posted - 2003.06.22 22:19:00 - [6] As a new player i find it amazingly fustrating to be unable to find factory slots open. Thank you for starting up this thread.
Dolgrathe Nackle	Posted - 2003.06.22 23:13:00 - [7] I would also like to add my name to the list. I have search through 5 regions visiting every station since i first started, contacted friends for info in their areas and generally hassled. Unfortunately I have been unlucky although I did find a Lab in Masalle, VV. So have research on the go. I am all for capitalism but this is killing a key part of the game. I would like to have 2 lab slots for research and then a couple of factories to become a specialist supplier in one area ie. ammo or drones etc. Shame that a person putting all their training in cruiser can mine and get a cruiser but a person that has trained factory and lab specific skills cannot get access to thier interest in the game. Good post idea. Thanks for standing up for us. Eve developers - this game is great but please help us out - we will make the economy work for you. Dol Dolgrathe Member of the 'X-Corp Confederation' Refining for the Future
Pesti	Posted - 2003.06.22 23:30:00 - [8] Well, right now Taggart owns most of the slots up north in the venal region, but won't sell them, even though they don't produce jack up there. Then backed out of a deal to sell a slot about mid range in the region and then tried to slough a slot at the furthest north station in the game w/o jump drives. Of course no corp hangars open there either. GG taggart, open some up for the rest of us if you arne't going to use em.
Zycroft	Posted - 2003.06.22 23:59:00 - [9] Add my name to the list
Ireniicus	Posted - 2003.06.23 00:04:00 - [10] Add the BIP Corp and its 22 members to the list :)
Madismaxis	Posted - 2003.06.23 00:39:00 - [11] yup add my name so far serched 3 non empier reagons and zip.
Nootami	Posted - 2003.06.23 00:44:00 - [12] Add Me and the ISSP to that list Originally by: Cortex Reaver [22:39:59] [Oi]Nootami1 joined channel [22:40:02] [Oi]Nootami1 quit Oh,look! Someone joined for a whopping .3 seconds! -CR
Alvin	Posted - 2003.06.23 00:49:00 - [13] The situation is more than a bit silly. Only 4000 players on peak, maybe triple that total. Say, half the stations have 16 factories / labs, and there are usually multiple stations per system. There are enough factories and labs in game for everyone to have several. It's clearly hoarding, and initiated by the absurdly low initial rents. Our corp is in a fairly fringe area (judging from the pilots in space / station displays on the map) and there's still nothing available. Not in the space near our newbie areas (which are still sparsely populated), not the space past 0.0 systems, nor tracts of unpopulated space. The fix has already been posted numerous times: raise the base rents to something reasonable. Add a geometric increase for grabbing multiple station hangars in a constellation or multiple factories in a region. If you have a real use for a factory slot, then even 100,000 isk per month rental won't make you blink. But 100k isk times 4^16 per factory per month for that slot hoarder will get him out, and fast. Rents must be applied retroactively to rental time so that everyone doesn't have to wait out the one-month (and free month) billing cycle.
CapnShavaHoe	Posted - 2003.06.23 03:08:00 - [14] I searched for 2 days, befor I found a slot 30 jumps away from HQ, and still no research slots to be found anywhere. Something must be done about this dilemma. The amount of slots you can have should depend on skill level, and there should be twice as many slot as there is now. -Thanks
dieanotherday	Posted - 2003.06.23 07:39:00 - [15] list me too! Its just crasy or stupid.... Didnt get any factory slots and I had to do over 15 jumps to get a station for renting an office.... Yeah a station in "nirvana". Just remembering on some statments like: "factory slots will be free again" or "you have to do 2-3 jumps away from the noob station to get one".... lol I bought a bp 3 weeks ago for a few millions in order to produce something. I had to sell it as I couldnt find any slot.... But what I am crying? I have an office in an system I wouldnt like to be there!
fedgrate	Posted - 2003.06.23 08:42:00 - [16] You can add Blue Circle Corps to this list. I spent some considerable time just travelling to each and every station on a set route through various regions. It took many hours and was extremely tedious. I found 1 free factory slot.
Reathe	Posted - 2003.06.23 15:20:00 - [17] My corp started out and we took 2 factory and 2 research slots at our chosen home station. We were not greedy, most of the slots in the station were free at that time and we could have had most of them. Now we could really do with 2 more of each slot as some items take a while to produce/research. We have now been looking for the last 3 weeks for ANY slots anywhere but just can't seem to find any :( I hope this gets sorted before to long, I think an expiry time on the unused slots is a must to prevent whole areas of the game (seems to be most of it at the moment?) from having NO free slots at all because some corp(s) sent teams through xyz system ONCE just to book all the slots 'in case' they need them later. Update: LOL, I even hear that Jove space is now all booked for the slots :) Edited by: Reathe on 25/06/2003 10:52:59
Ashen Black	Posted - 2003.06.23 16:28:00 - [18] Well I finally went ahead and bought a lab slot (I also bought a factory slot in the same station so I could consolidate). It cost me a lot of isk, but now that I have them in my possession I am happy, and the cost doesn't seem that big of a deal anymore. Now, I already had 4 factory slots in another system [ go ahead and flame me for holding 4 at once when I could only use 3 :) ]. Once I payed for and got my new lab/fact slots in the one station, I immedietely unrented my 4 factory slots and broadcasted on a public channel of their availability. I don't believe in charging people for slots, but I do understand why others are charging for them. For new players who join the game and want to be independent researchers and producers, my advice would be put that goal on hold, earn some isk through mining/trading/hunting, establish a bit of a nest egg, then look for people selling slots. A new player probably wont be able to afford the new higher rental rates anyway. Chances are if they can afford to buy a slot from someone then they can afford to keep it. Edit: I forgot to say "add me to the list". I had searched some 50 systems over two days before giving up and paying someone for my slots. Edited by: Ashen Black on 23/06/2003 18:56:58 ------------ Ashen Black
Ravach	Posted - 2003.06.23 17:05:00 - [19] Add me to the list. I've been searching for a few evenings now...I had a 54 jump pilgrimage and at about 25 jumps left I started looking for a factory slot. I'd stop and scan for stations with factories in each system, then warp to each one to check. So far, none found. Building stuff was a big part of the appeal of this game for me...the idea that you could go mine ore and drag it back and build parts for yourself or your friends. If I'm not going to be able to do that...well, it'll factor into whether or not I keep playing. I didn't get the game at launch so missed out on the 'land rush' of sucking up all available resources.
Replicant Amara	Posted - 2003.06.23 18:05:00 - [20] ADD ME TO..
THAIPHOON	Posted - 2003.06.23 20:32:00 - [21] Add me too ... and while we're at it, the lack of office space is ridiculous too. CCP should make it so that you can only handle so many offices/factories/labs/ at any one time and if you want to expand into a different market (region) you gotta give some up in other areas. This should be based upon your skills/abilities rather than how much money you have. The current situation will drive new players away from thsi game.
Minsc	Posted - 2003.06.23 21:03:00 - [22] Add me to the list as well, my corp is looking for research slots more than anything. Also I'll point you to a thread I started awhile ago with a possible solution. I still think my idea is reasonable and realistic and would make things much better for everyone. here's the link: http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=6930
Shirow	Posted - 2003.06.23 21:40:00 - [23] you can add myself and my corp to the list as well. we've searched every system in four regions. no factories and no labs. i want to make it clear that i think the labs should be included in any solution as a lot of times it seems like folks are only interested in factories. i think Ravach said it best. this is a major factor in determining whether or not i continue to play this game.
Boroth	Posted - 2003.06.23 23:20:00 - [24] add me too, have been looking for about 3 days now. I made a char specificly aimed for manufacturing, and i cant do that, cause I CANT FIND A EMPTY SLOT TO RENT ANYWHERE !! Saw them on the trading people asking for a slot offering 2 mil. or more, so I guess im not the only one
Azrael Seventh	Posted - 2003.06.24 03:19:00 - [25] I've been playing since the 12th of may and so far I have only found ONE factory slot and NO labs :( Definately add me to the list. Now Recruiting! For more information please visit the Seventh Legion (best viewed ingame)
Lord Armageddon	Posted - 2003.06.24 05:19:00 - [26] add me to the list too, please
Milk	Posted - 2003.06.24 09:22:00 - [27] Add me too. I feel cheated that I'm unable to play a significant part of this game to the restictions with slots. I mean why bother with manufactuering at all if only 5% of the population have access? I mean I understand that the economy might be effected if everyone can have factory slots, but to physically stop people from obtaining slots is a bit extreme and untrue to a real market. ________________________________________________ You know whats good for you.
Lola	Posted - 2003.06.24 09:45:00 - [28] I check for slots every time I dock anywhere. I never ever find any. It's so bad even slots in jove space are taken. ----------------------------------------- Sig rented by Drethen Nerevitas.
Phoibos	Posted - 2003.06.24 11:21:00 - [29] I to would like to have factories. I actually already have a few in Placid region but it's far away from our base. I don't really use them so If anyone would like to buy for resonable price feel free. Also the lab slots are impossible to find. :( /Andreas
Witch Rosa	Posted - 2003.06.24 11:24:00 - [30] add me too to the list please. i had luck after 3 weeks to find some slots, but i can't use them in a good way for our corporation, because i can't rent an office there. this is one problem more.
DarkBaron1	Posted - 2003.06.24 11:52:00 - [31] Actually we got spots in sold-out stations. We had to negotiate and pay for them, but we dont complain cause thats kinda realistic and you will always find someone who sells slots. a) I think not everybody should be able to build cause that would render market useless. b) If you want to be a Manufactor in reallife, do you just go out and say: Ok, that nice spot fits my need I ll build a factory here?? As long as rentals of slots are that low, ppl selling them are bringing in some sort of realism. Just so you dont think we hoard tons of slots, we have about 8 and sold a few.
Madox	Posted - 2003.06.24 15:21:00 - [32] Quote: If you want to be a Manufactor in reallife, do you just go out and say: Ok, that nice spot fits my need I ll build a factory here?? DarkBaron1, yes, that is exactly what you do. If every factory in a location is completely filled, new ones are built. Please add me to the list of those concerned with the current situation. Being unable to rent a lab after playing the game for a month, with out having to pay some hoarders idea of a "reasonable price", is unacceptable. Edited by: Madox on 24/06/2003 15:21:21
98fxd	Posted - 2003.06.24 15:49:00 - [33] Add Enigma Federation to the list for Research
Jandon Kell	Posted - 2003.06.24 16:26:00 - [34] Add me to the list. I agree with the upping the rent charged. If real estate is this scarce, raise the rates. And if there are no factory slots, stations would expand, add to the number of slots. I don't know if this can be done, but it would sure happen "in the real world". I am an independent, and I would love to find one slot of each, even if they were a few jumps away from each other. Uhh...My happy glands are out of control
Sara Angel	Posted - 2003.06.24 22:42:00 - [35] Almost every post in the Factories forum is in one way or another about this issue. I can't understand why the devs are so silent. Who gives a damn about shuttles? Just make yourself a noob ship for free. Focus on what's really important! As far as I'm concerned, shortage of Factory and Research labs is the most important factor in the game right now. Can we please see some dev responses? I remember reading in an interview with CCP they expected the "universe" to support 100,000 players. What a friggin' joke! It's a mess with only 6000... Anyway, add me to the list.
Destrim	Posted - 2003.06.25 03:34:00 - [36] Well, I actually found a station with full free factory slots in it in the Tamo solar system (Lai Dai Protection something-such...). My corp, Destros, has three factories there, as does our brother corp Hammer's Slammers. However, when I staerted looking around for more favourable places to place my corp's headquarters, I couldn't find any. I searchered damn-near every place in Citadel, Forge, Sinq Liason, Metropolis... I guess everyone figured that since Lonetrek is a newbie region, there most definately wouldn't be any stations any where in there, thus leaving a few available in the upermost areas (security status .3). And research slots are even MORE difficult to find. I was able to find several areas with mabey one or two factory slots available (not enough to prompt moving my HQ), but not a single research station anywhere... And I searched every single station in every system I visited... about a week and a half worth of non-stop searching. Personally, I think the number of alowable factory slots for a corporation soulh depend upon the size of the corporation (members). A small corporation such as mine really doesn't need any more than 6, though I only have three. Larger corps (megacorporations/empires) logically should be allowed more factory slots per each corp level of the president. For personal ownership, the allowable slots should vary dependant on the industry skill level.--- --- --->**Well, duh! at level one, you can only run one anyways, so why the hell should you have any more than 1??!! Thus, at each additional industrial level, another slot is allowed to be owned! <---common sense right there!!!! If they decide to suddenly cut the number of slots available to a corp, then they should give a loud and clear warning. Then, after a wek or two, give the corporations with too many slots the choice of which slots they want to keep, and ditch the rest into public domain. Edited by: Destrim on 25/06/2003 17:40:06
Garick	Posted - 2003.06.25 07:05:00 - [37] Add me to the list too please
vixit	Posted - 2003.06.25 07:24:00 - [38] Add me too, searched for 2 weeks and i've been lucky. Found 1 factory. United Alliance
Pudee	Posted - 2003.06.25 07:57:00 - [39] Pann has now responded on this issue guys factory ownership is to be tied to your skills so you will only be able to rent what you can use no eta on the fix though so just hang in there.
Fester Addams	Posted - 2003.06.25 14:10:00 - [40] Sounds good, it was all I ever wanted :) I hope they have taken skills into account when corps owning slots too or not much will change :) Thanx for the great news Pann but if nothing happens in a few days I will petition all the same.
Shirow	Posted - 2003.06.25 16:00:00 - [41] what about research lab slots?
Antilles	Posted - 2003.06.25 20:27:00 - [42] I have also been searching for factory slots. From day one. I looked hard at first, but it became seriously wasted time. Every damn slot, factory or research is taken, including cluster zones and all the ones in the outer regions. It really ****es me off because I really want to build stuff, even if just ammo and the like. CCP should DEFINATELY put max-rent times for slots, say one week then cant rent in that station or system for a week. Give us people that dont have a corp or bought ISK a chance to experience this part of the game.
Earthworm	Posted - 2003.06.25 21:34:00 - [43] Offices, Factory slots, and Research slots, all of these are in demand by PLAYERS wanting to PLAY the game. Any of the devs ever hear of "Ultima Online", it's DEAD!! Because of squatters taking up all the "land property", nobody can play unless they join someone else, and pay taxes to their leige. Sounds like fuedalism, not capitalism. Sounds like "EVE Online". Instead of paying taxes to a liege, your paying an enormous ("reasonable"????) amount to a squatter for a slot. Because of the squatters, I have to spend 50-80% of my time online, as the "mobile corp hanger". With no offices available (hence no corp hanger), I sit in the station and trade items and ships to my corp members, taking in ore, then trading it to the guy with the refining skills (if he's in station), trading the minerals back, ferrying the minerals to a station several jumps away, then trading to the manufacturing guy with the only two factory slots in the corp, running several jumps away, and fetching the blueprint from the only guy with a reasearch slot, and ferrying it to the guy back at the factory. Geee.... sounds like fun... huh? A friend, recruited myself and two others into this game, my free month is up in a couple of days, as are my friends'. Hmmm... What do YOU think I'm going to do with my subscription? Please add my name to the list, I want to give the devs a chance,... Come on guys, lets fix this. Edited by: Earthworm on 25/06/2003 23:31:32 Edited by: Earthworm on 25/06/2003 23:35:54 Edited by: Earthworm on 25/06/2003 23:36:51
Machiavellii	Posted - 2003.06.26 04:37:00 - [44] I was kinda getting into this game until I tried to get a factory slot. My account will be closed, it's not my idea of fun to just mine an asteroid half the time. If customer service sort it out then maybe i will continue to play. They have my email I guess and can let me know if it's sorted. No way I'm playing to play a game where i can't even do half the stuff. The game reviews are a joke, Eve is good game but will go the way of Asherons Call 2 if they don't sort this out. Good reviews do not make a good MMORPG when theres nothing to ****in do. WAKE UP and fix it already!!!!!!!!!
Serge	Posted - 2003.06.26 11:28:00 - [45] yeah its a pity with factory and research slot availability all broken ... tried several days in several regions out of empire space to find free slots ... hehe ... jep, no chance! Well, basically I can live with a somewhat limited number of slots, but I'd like to have a more sophisticated process of deciding WHO has the slots than atm. Atm those who were ingame from the first week are the ones who have the slots .... and pardon me, thats BS *********************************************** ... "we suddenly have a good 2 dozen Chicken Littles running about proclaiming tha
Tim Macleod	Posted - 2003.06.26 11:34:00 - [46] HI Same old problem, I have been 2 loads of regions - nothing - I can see them being sold on ebay but nothing in game. Add my name!!! They need to add more factories - simple as that and perhaps allocate a set number to each character. I have been playing for 2 weeks and I am stuffed but I feel sorry for any "new" players that have no chance of getting a slot
Wolfram Gauss	Posted - 2003.06.26 11:56:00 - [47] Uh, Pudee, where did Pann respond to this issue and what exactly did he say? Factory slots are certainly very hard to find and something needs to be done about that, but the lab slot issue is by far the more serious one - never seen a single free one since I started playing more than a month ago. I agree with previous posters that CCP has quite insane priorities; why keep adding new fluff like shuttles and waypoints when several crucial features are broken or missing!?
Jehrig Taltos	Posted - 2003.06.26 15:05:00 - [48] Add me aswell... I have played Dark Age of Camelot for quite some time and never had a problem with smithing. But here you cant persue such a course since there isnt any room to do so. Kinda of limits the fun-ablility of the game for me.
Tolanthas	Posted - 2003.06.27 07:42:00 - [49] Some ideas that I have been told about have been things like factories not being able to be rented for any set period of time. If a factory is open you click on it,, install a BP and set it to run how many production runs as you want and you get charged a per hour fee.. This would be great because then there would never be an inactive factory held. So even small corps could get runs in and people would have to account for the cost of the factory time into the total cost of what they are producing. Think this is the best fix for it. In areas where CCP wants less access to factories just have less. They will still be available to all but catching one open will be a rarer thing then, Just Hoping this will come to pass.
jofgav	Posted - 2003.06.27 08:32:00 - [50] In game character jofgav Dido, a while back 3 of us when searching further a field and had no such luck - hopefully a limitation based on how many factories/research facilities you can operate at once (from the skill), will free up a good number of slots. It's bound to be better than the way things are right now.
Sparc Ambertin	Posted - 2003.06.30 16:10:00 - [51] waves hand I have a couple of originals and no Lab Slot... :(((. hope they implement the skill limit and fix the bills soon... -- "Don't laugh at the frigate, for he will laugh at you when his friends show up." - Mercenary Frigates.
Salazar N'terre	Posted - 2003.07.02 19:44:00 - [52] Add me to the list, cant find any lab slots, i have checked all of forge and Metropolis. I am looking to invest in a friend. His science skills are pretty high. But he cant use them to earn a good living. "I Live in my OWN LITTLE WORLD....but its okay, they know me HERE!" Lookin for a good deal on ships check out us at: http://ken.nu/ict/
Serenaya	Posted - 2003.07.02 20:08:00 - [53] Yep, I've been searching slots for about 3weeks. Add me to the list pls :-)

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