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Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative.	Posted - 2009.07.14 12:35:00 - [1] OP can get a T2 BPO in exactly the same way that ~90% of the current BPO owners did: Buy one from someone else.
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative.	Posted - 2009.07.14 13:18:00 - [2] Originally by: Marika Sol ok i admit i didn't know everything about t2 bpos before i read this but it comes down to a simple point which everyone here has helped to make already. so I'll condense it. 1) T2 BPO's are still in the game. 2) New Players can't get them 3) Old players don't want to give them up 4) Hundreds or thousands of people have a problem with it 5) CCP wont do anything about them because they "supposedly" don't give any advantage over invention 6) If that were true it would not be an issue... they would get rid of them and consider they have done those holding them a favor. 7) Waaa waa whine whine. One guy WHINES because he has no T2 bpo... another guy whines even harder because he has one and doesn't like the first guy bringing it to anyone's attention how he's been ripping them off for years. You can not complain about someone else whining without whining yourself... its impossible. sorry that's the way it is... so maybe EVERYONE can stop whining and discuss the topic at hand. if you don't have something constructive or informative to say then plz... don't open your mouth and show everyone how stupid you are. Old players will cheerfully give them up - for what they are worth. T2 BPOs come up for sale all the time. You neglect to consider that most of the BPO owners PAID for those BPOs. They have a pay-back time of ~3 years or so. That's where the OP's construction calculation fails - he has not considered the vast capital cost of the BPO, and he has not considered the production limit. Somone who bought a T2 BPO two years ago, and who has been running it flat out ever since, is probably still a year away from breaking even on it. Anyone who bought a BPO before Invention was announced might well be even further away from profiting, because BPOs crashed in value back in early 07. T2 BPOs dont have a significant effect on the market price of T2 goods because the volume isn't there. A single BPO can only produce a single production run at a time. The only items for which BPOs make invention unattractive are those for which demand is so low that existing BPOs in use can supply most or all of the demand. As stated above, the real ISK in T2 production goes to the R64 moon owners, because that's where the supply bottleneck is. Complain about those if you like, but dont complain about a guy with a BPO that, in all likelihood, has so far only been a massive financial investment that has yet to pay off. If you're not making much ISK inventing, remember that T2 prices fell because of invention. The current market prices are NOT set by BPO holders; they're set by people who are better at invention (or simply have better access to moongoo) than you.
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative.	Posted - 2009.07.14 13:28:00 - [3] Originally by: Beldaws Over half of my T2 bpos just sit in my hanger collecting dust. I'm doing my part in reducing the number T2 bpos being produced from. My friends make way more isk in wormholes than I do from T2 production. Heck, even my friends that do nothing but sell researched T1 bpos make as much if not more isk than I do! Out of curiousity, which BPOs are gathering dust? Have you considered putting them in for ME/PE improvement rather than just have them lay idle? Or running off BPCs for sale?
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative.	Posted - 2009.07.14 19:51:00 - [4] Originally by: Kiri Serrensun Originally by: Malcanis Out of curiousity, which BPOs are gathering dust? Have you considered putting them in for ME/PE improvement rather than just have them lay idle? Or running off BPCs for sale? They might be for stuff like the Gremlin Javelin Rocket and Omni ECCM II. Who knows but that CCP might un-nerf rockets one day!
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative.	Posted - 2009.07.15 08:08:00 - [5] Originally by: CommmanderInChief . Its like an older player will alwyas be better than a new player, purely becuase of the skilling, its not how much you play its how long. However the person from 2003 could have logged in once ever, but kept training, will be a whole lot better than a 2008 character who plays every single day How did I miss this little gem? Uh no, acutally he'd be terrible. A 2008 character would by now have a minimum of 10-11M SP, and if he played every day, he'd wipe the floor with an 03 who'd done nothing but train skills.
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative.	Posted - 2009.07.15 10:14:00 - [6] Originally by: Banana Torres Originally by: Jim Hazard You should have been arround 2003 and should have seen what it used to be like for us to get the RP for the lottery with crappy low level agents... Not even speaking of having to mine for like 2 weeks 10 hours every day to be able to afford a **ing t1 battleship. And it was **ing brilliant. Anyways, for me t2 BPOs really gives the lie to the "all of Eve is PvP" argument. Imagine if there was an equivalent thing that gave a pew-pew PvPer the kind of advantage that a t2 BPO gives to a carebear, sorry, industrial PvPer. How long would that thing stay in the game? Yeah, the equivalent would a be for instance an ultra-rare Raven which can mount 8 torp launchers, has insane base HP, extra cap, Typhoon-style drone bay and sells for 10s of billions of ISK.
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative.	Posted - 2009.07.15 12:14:00 - [7] Originally by: Banana Torres Originally by: Malcanis Yeah, the equivalent would a be for instance an ultra-rare Raven which can mount 8 torp launchers, has insane base HP, extra cap, Typhoon-style drone bay and sells for 10s of billions of ISK. You forgot, and cannot be lost with normal useage. There is nothing that a t2 inventor can do to mitigate the advantage that a t2 BPO owner has. Your ulta rare Raven will be blown up. The closest that we came to invunerable ships was Mommies in low sec, and we got heavy interdictors to deal with that. All I am saying is that t2 inventors should get some tools to enable them to level the playing field. Until then I will continue to laugh at the "all of Eve is PvP" proponents. T2 BPOs do get lost though.
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative.	Posted - 2009.07.15 12:16:00 - [8] Originally by: Banana Torres Originally by: Killer Gandry Fact is that if you wanna do a reply get your facts straight and then report back. Just now there is a Energized Regenerative Membrane II BPO for sale in the Sell Orders forum for at least 1 billion. In Sinq Laison, where I am currently located, about 5 of these a day sell for about 500,000ISK. I would rather keep my billion and fritter it away than buy that BPO. But someone will buy it for fun and giggles. I couldn't find an offer to sell an in demand BPO, which kinda validates the OP whine. Post a "want to buy" and see how far you get.
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative.	Posted - 2009.07.15 16:00:00 - [9] Originally by: CyberGh0st It is not a question about wether T2 BPO's are better or worse, have alot or little impact, it is about everyone being on equal terms. As long as T2 BPO's exist, this will not be the case. People who make these calculations always neglect the capital cost per unit. What do you think a 4 year payback time implies? If you paid 50 bill for a BPO, and you've managed to make 1000 ships with it so far, then the per unit cost of the BPO is 50,000,000 ISK. Ignoring this is just as dumb as saying that datacores you make yourself are free.
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative.	Posted - 2009.07.15 19:44:00 - [10] T2 insurance only means that R64 moons will be even more insanely profitable
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative.	Posted - 2009.07.24 16:57:00 - [11] Originally by: voogru Lord Fitz, I regret to inform you that, all of your typing is falling on blind eyes. The "delete all t2 bpo" crowd, doesn't read your posts or give a crap. They just want the BPO's gone no matter who is right or wrong. So arguing is utterly pointless, no matter how good your argument is, they will just ignore it, and keep whining and whining. These players are most likely inventors who personally believe, if T2 BPO's are removed, their profits will go up, and that is the fuel for their agenda against T2 BPO owners. They don't like to compete with T2 BPO owners. Guess what inventors, I don't like competing with inventors, I'm not whining about invention am I? Pretty much this tbh, with a side order of jealous spite.
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative.	Posted - 2009.07.24 18:39:00 - [12] Originally by: Vyktor Abyss Suppose I want to invent Light electron blasters or some other low demand item? Answer - NOT viable, Buy modules from market from someone with the BPO. Why would you want to invent a low-demand item for sale?
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative.	Posted - 2009.07.30 10:11:00 - [13] Originally by: baltec1 So tell me. Once I get the cash together to invest in a T2 BPO why should I be punished by having it removed? Because telling people they have to work for stuff is like saying they dont deserve it.

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