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Epofhis hirr Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2009.07.16 14:59:00 - [31] I agree with this product and/or service. Would liven things up considerably. And some damn good ideas ITT.
Caleb Ayrania Gallente TarNec New Eden Retail Federation	Posted - 2009.07.16 15:22:00 - [32] A lot of potentially good ideas.. Or rather some important critical points to balance and feature issues.. Some you need to really look at again, because suggesting stupid things like increased tax in high volume trade areas kind of undermines your OP. Tax in such areas go down, but service prices go up.. The effect you wanted is better served using RL mechanics and concepts. I have been asking for supply and demand controlled npc facility prices since 2004 it would and will fix population distribution and lessen the congestions like Jita.. - Money is Love - Sometimes it just gets bend the wrong ways. Feed your Brain: Innovation Thread
Andres Talas	Posted - 2009.07.17 09:35:00 - [33] Edited by: Andres Talas on 17/07/2009 09:40:25 Edited by: Andres Talas on 17/07/2009 09:38:01 Originally by: Celeritas 5k Sure seems like pirates got hit harder than anyone else... a -10 not being able to dock anywhere? Really? Sorry, should have made it clearer that Pirate Faction stations dont care what your Concord sec status is, they care about your Pirate Faction status. If you stick CONCORD in front of 'sec status' it should make more sense. Because I'm such a kind and generous person ... Pirate Buff #x Thukkers let anyone dock, but the undocking fee depends on how negative your security status is, and what ship you do it in. On the other hand, piwates will have to either POS up, live out of cans, base out of somewhere like Curse thats, like, run by a pirate faction, or find a friendly neighbourhood 0.0 Sov holder who is prepared to grant you standings. Oh yeah, Chilaros, I'm stealing your nerfs. Trader Nerf # 2 Rent on station hanger space. You can store you frigates and cruisers for a few hundred or thousand ISK a month, but those millions of cubic meters of stockpiled crap are now going to cost you. Failure to pay results in your Stuff being put up by the station owner on contracts. Trader Nerf #3 NPC trade routes now switch around in a similar way suggested for moon materials.
Andres Talas	Posted - 2009.07.17 10:01:00 - [34] Originally by: Kenji Hideyoshi Originally by: Mahn AlNouhm Rather than make it impossible to dock at a station if your faction standings are low, why not have the station automatically start firing at you when you show up, based on your standings with that faction? This would accomplish the "nerf" part without completely defecating on a legitimate play style that you don't particularly like. So, the station would fire at your ship, but have no problem with you docking there, using their bathroom, pool tables and massage parlors? And you would trust them enough to actually log off there - at the very same station which tried to blow you to pieces? In the immortal words of Lenny Macpherson `Most crims arent that smart` Piracy is a completely legitimate play style. I just want to re-balance the risk and reward of piracy, because right now, any idiot can pretend to be a Piwate in a fully insured Gankarax that, get this, the game will pay you to lose. Just think of it as me getting rid of your idiot competition.
Phat Hauler	Posted - 2009.07.17 11:25:00 - [35] Lots of interesting ideas, the main ones I would love to see implemented is dynamic sec/sov.
Santiago Fahahrri Galactic Geographic	Posted - 2009.07.17 14:01:00 - [36] Some good ideas in here! Mission Runner nerf #1 - good Mission Runner nerf #2 - good Ratter nerf #1 - good Ratter nerf #2 - good Ratter nerf #3 - good Ratter nerf #4 - makes sense; kinda bites though - would need some "other" stations here somewhere for folks without sov Ratter nerf #5 - very good Ratter Nerf #6 - very good; should be more than just Officers Ratter nerf #7 - chaining sucks - this is good Ratter nerf #8 - not good Insurance Nerf #1 and #2 - whatever, I quit using insurance a long time ago Mining Nerf #1 - good Mining Nerf #2 - not good Mining Nerf #3 - ok Mining Buff #1 - very cool Carebear Nerf #1 - bah; Recent Speakers mode in Local is the way to go Pirate Nerf #1 - makes sense; pirates will need some other docking options added though Pirate Nerf #2 - good Pirate Nerf #3 - good Pirate Nerf #4 - good Pirate Nerf #5 - dunno; the boost would have to be pretty high per kill Pirate Nerf #6 - very cool Pirate Nerf #7 - good Pirate Buff #1 - ok Pirate Buff #2 - ok Pirate Buff #4 - ok, give Concord Sleeper AI POS Fueler #1 - good Sov Holder Nerf #1 - not sure, lots of balance issues Sov Holder Buff #1 - sure Outpost Owner Buff #1 - ok Ex-Outpost Owner Nerf #1 - yep Moon Miner Nerf #1 - would they run out completely at some point? There's a finite number of moons. Moon Miner Nerf #2 - nice Moon Miner Nerf #3 - very cool Moon Miner Buff #1 - ok.. and Nerf 1 now makes sense Moon Miner Buff #2 - ok Industrialist Nerf #1 - doesn't make sense; like an apartment complex raising rates because nobody is renting Trader Nerf #1 - good Titan Buff #1 - dunno... balance issues Logoffski Nerf #1 - very hard to prove ~ Santiago Fahahrri Galactic Geographic
Iece Quaan Caldari Aperture Harmonics	Posted - 2009.07.17 14:56:00 - [37] I think it would be awesome if neg secs had to operate out of POS or wspace. Far more realistic. What station manager regularly allows known psychopaths to wander their halls? Great list, all items.
Dave Hourai Gallente Death of Virtue MeatSausage EXPRESS	Posted - 2009.07.17 20:30:00 - [38] Edited by: Dave Hourai on 17/07/2009 20:31:35 Originally by: Uronksur Suth Originally by: Andres Talas Pirate tears are sweet. Indeed. Actually at the very beginning I thought you were insane, but there's some pretty good ideas here. well YOU must be a mission w***ing fecktard then. Pirate Nerf #1 If your Negative Security status is greater than your Faction standing, you can't dock at that Concord-affiliated station. Pirate factions are not Concord-affiliated (edited for clarity) Pirate Nerf #2 Gate guns get changed to be similar to POS guns (different sizes and types and tracking). Gates can also have the other fun POS modules, such as ECM, warp scrams, and so on. Pirate Nerf #3 If a Gate Gun has been firing for more than (related to sec standing) minutes, then they start to load the Faction Ammo and their DPS goes up. If they are firing for more than twice this, a Concord Patrol gets called in. Pirate Nerf #4 Concord and Gate Guns now try and pod sufficiently negative security standing pilots. Pirate Nerf #5 You only get Sec Status returned for killing people with worse Sec Status than you. Most rats dont manage to actually kill anyone, so their Sec Status isnt particularily bad. Pirate Nerf #6 Concord now sends roaming gangs into 0.0. If you're negative sec status, they shoot at you. The good news is Concord are now killable again. Pirate Nerf #7 Concord may be willing to offer Special Missions to kill certain Pirate Operatives (aka other pirates with really negative standings), offering LPs, standings and large wads of cash. Pirate Buff #1 Pirate Faction Missions now include killing Concord Mercenaries (aka ratters). These are advertised in Contracts as per Mission Runner Nerf #1. They may include specific named contracts against specifically named Concord Mercenaries. Pirate Buff #2 Pirate Faction LPs, including those gained from ganking enemies of the Pirates under Pirate Buff#1, can be traded in for bookmarks to wormholes to hisec and/or losec, detected by Pirate Scouts. Please carefully review this in conjunction with Carebear Nerf #1. Pirate Buff #3 Same as Pirate Nerf #7. Hey, it's a living. I AGREE with ALL your suggestions BUT THESE ONES ^^^^^^^, pirates have it hard enough as it is (no profit from low sec, thusly no one goes except to BLOB pirates. When they make lvl 4s in low sec, maybe i'll go for some of these. Quoting above post ^^^ I think it would be awesome if neg secs had to operate out of POS or wspace. Far more realistic. What station manager regularly allows known psychopaths to wander their halls? I bet you would, but I'd bet ALL my isk you would never come to low sec and visit anyway so who cares where we dock. No Beginning, No End
Andres Talas	Posted - 2009.07.18 00:17:00 - [39] Originally by: Dave Hourai I AGREE with ALL your suggestions BUT THESE ONES ^^^^^^^, pirates have it hard enough as it is (no profit from low sec, thusly no one goes except to BLOB pirates. When they make lvl 4s in low sec, maybe i'll go for some of these. Quoting above post ^^^ I think it would be awesome if neg secs had to operate out of POS or wspace. Far more realistic. What station manager regularly allows known psychopaths to wander their halls? I bet you would, but I'd bet ALL my isk you would never come to low sec and visit anyway so who cares where we dock. Mr Hourai is apparently one of the many very dumb piwates of New Eden, who like the game on EZ-Mode. Smarter pirates have already noticed the effect of the below on the relative attractiveness of lo-sec. Mission Runner nerf #2 Every time a mission is completed, the Agent gets a little more fat and happy and declines in quality. Every so often, Agents get a little more desperate and increase in quality. So, Mr Hourai, under that nerf, what happens to a popular L4 agent in hisec ?
AngryMax Gallente Maelstrom Crew	Posted - 2009.07.22 06:26:00 - [40] The only thing worse than these suggestions are the replies of support. Design your own game perhaps?
Aethrwolf Caldari Home for Wayward Gamers	Posted - 2009.07.22 08:56:00 - [41] some of those are interesting and should be looked at, some are "meh", and some would probably cause a few too many issues. Taken as a whole, the package would likely shater the player base, which falls under the category of "friggin whacked out insane" for any company to attempt. ummm.. this is CCP, though. anyone want to make bets? Absolutely everything is subjective.
Riug	Posted - 2009.07.22 11:05:00 - [42] I approve of this product and/or service. Honestly though there are some REALLY good ideas in here, for examaple most of the ratter nerfs, the mining nerfs (tbh I see moving roids to all grav sites as a buff), I REALLY like the local nerf, makes stealth ops much more viable. Not digging the pirate nerfs as much (and its not bias, I'm a carebear :S), but I really like the moon mining nerfs, keeps 0.0 alliances from camping all the dyspro and protemium moons (as easily anyway). However, the sov nerf, are you saying I'd start to lose sov if I killed my own rats? isn't one of the upsides to sov being able to kill the rats? (I mean, you can kill rats anywhere, but you know wat I mean)
Gin G Halls Of Valhalla	Posted - 2009.07.22 16:23:00 - [43] or if ccp are to lazy and just want to play ping pong all day delete eve and let everyone start @ 90k SP again Please refrain from editing a moderator's warning. Zymurgist
Arec Bardwin	Posted - 2009.07.22 17:57:00 - [44] Forum Nerf #1: For every post on the forums 10m isk is deducted from your posting char. Every char is awarded 3 free posts per day (no accumulation of unused free posts).
Bibbleibble	Posted - 2009.07.22 19:00:00 - [45] Originally by: Arec Bardwin Forum Nerf #1: For every post on the forums 10m isk is deducted from your posting char. Every char is awarded 3 free posts per day (no accumulation of unused free posts). NOOOOOO!!!!!! ________________________________________________ For changes to Minmatar Battleships click here (also with a review of the Muninn!)
Tarron Sarek Gallente Biotronics Inc. Majesta Empire	Posted - 2009.07.22 19:07:00 - [46] Prudent people talk about balancing. Hotheaded or emo people talk about nerfing. ___________________________________ Balance is power, ~~guard~~ hide it well "Ceterum censeo Polycarbonem esse delendam"
Santiago Fahahrri Galactic Geographic	Posted - 2009.07.22 19:35:00 - [47] Originally by: Tarron Sarek Prudent people talk about balancing. Hotheaded or emo people talk about nerfing. Uptight people focus on semantics instead of content. ~ Santiago Fahahrri Galactic Geographic

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