If I am hit by a bus, the state of my underwear will be the least of my worries.

The question then becomes, was the change necessary, or an improvement? I daresay so far, until we've all made the new keystrokes second nature, we can't really say.

Nah. The question becomes: do the additions add more value than the things that were unquestionably lost, and does GÇ£improvementGÇ¥ really have room for such a thing as lost functionality?


The change was necessary; the loss of functionality and efficiency was not. It could have been an improvement, but was fumbled. At best, it might reach a level of GÇ£just as good, but in a completely different wayGÇ¥, which doesn't really qualify.

EVE Online was a fun game, 9 years was a good run CCP...but I'm out.

Sorry OP but this all is not about change.
It's about usability.
It's about 3 weeks of people telling CCP in the Test-Server-Forum that it's not good as it is.
It's about seeing what I have in an instant without making several klicks.
It's about dragging from one hangar to another just so. And not shift-clicking and multi clicking and resizing and maybe (god beware resorting) every bloody time.
I see that for chasing someone and putting him to dust and get some loot (rinse and repeat) the new inventory is real dandy.
But I do industry with multiple chars with freighters and corp-hangars and in different stations and with many many containers. Here the new system just fails. I need way more clicks and TIME to do my work.
And THAT annoys the hell out of me.

And mosty I am angered by the ignorance of the devs.

In the test server forum were multiple posting of uses cases that are much harder to do with the new system. All were ignored. There were some postings indicating that someone at CCP listened, but it was rolled out in the same way it was on SiSi.

By god I hope someone comes around and at least acknowledges problems. Until then this **** storm will continue.

Liking the new inventory, its much better for hangers of blueprints and minerals.

Remember when the new font was going to kill EVE, ruined immersion, caused cancer and threw puppies into bonfires?

...but it has bugs that need ironing out, like window position and size persistence.

If they'd spent more time working on this it would have been better received but it's only part way finished from what I've seen, and the fact that they seem to have not listened to all the feedback given is a little concerning.

Plus all the other bugs that seem to have sprung from the woodwork with this patch, :cripes:

Psychologists identify four major reactions to significant changes in people's accustomed environment or routine activities:

Disengagement - Withdrawal, loss of initiative or interest, fear while hoping for the best, being physically present but mentally absent, loss of drive and commitment, marginal performance.

Dis-identification - Identity is threatened by change, loss of sense of mastery, dwelling on the "old" way of doing things, sadness and worry.

Disenchantment - negativity or anger, seeking support by forming coalitions, engaging in sabotage or backstabbing.

Disorientation - feeling lost and unsure, wasting energy figuring out "what" to do instead of "how" to do things, become detail-oriented, leave tasks until all "questions" are answered, feeling of losing touch with priorities, analyzing the change "to death".

(Thanks University of Pittsburgh Psych Department)


"Life is change. How it differs from the rocks." - Grace Slick -

We go through this every time. The devs try to refine their product that's some eight or nine years old now, incrementally to prevent crippling shock ravaging the masses. We get the same percentage of people overall reacting in one of the four above mentioned fashions every time. If you did a statisical check, you'd find with each change the same number of people post the same type of reaction...every time.

In the dreaded and unmentioned RL, it's likely change is met the same way by the same people in the same numbers. It's only natural. Move one stick of furniture and my border collie is suspicious for a week. He'll calm down, but months after he'll still sniff it as he walks by as if to say "this still isn't RIGHT."

What we should ask ourselves is are we reacting to what and how it was changed, or to the change itself? Most of us from many years of experience know you're unfamiliar with a key punching, 'puter procedure till you do it a few times, and before you know it, it's second nature. Sure as my Hurricane is under-insured, the same will happen with THIS change, as it has with all the OTHER changes.

"If it ain't broke don't fix it." - Every Redneck I've Ever Worked With -

It's true, sometimes people mess with things just to be messing with them (as we say in Alabama). Change for the sake of change is resisted and it's arguable - rightly so. The question then becomes, was the change necessary, or an improvement? I daresay so far, until we've all made the new keystrokes second nature, we can't really say. So, much criticism is a bit premature, and is likely a reaction to the change itself.

Over time we may find a change, or two, just weren't for the best. I'm sure the devs aren't so hard-headed as to ignore this. However, some people are enamored of their own work, and themselves resist change - especially if it involves reversing a change they thought was so brilliant to begin with. Such vanity isn't very helpful, but we can't know if this is presently the case until events unfold. This, too, will take time.

In the meanwhile, I just love watching us being ourselves. Don't you? The one sure change we can all agree on is - Be sure to change your underwear. You never know WHEN you might be hit by a bus.

EVE Online was a fun game, 9 years was a good run CCP...but I'm out.

You, sir, have FAR too many likes!

Possibly, but they haven't made me big-headed or anything. I guess what I'm saying is don't let that hold you back from giving me one more.

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Psychologists identify four major reactions to significant changes in people's accustomed environment or routine activities:

Disengagement - Withdrawal, loss of initiative or interest, fear while hoping for the best, being physically present but mentally absent, loss of drive and commitment, marginal performance.

Dis-identification - Identity is threatened by change, loss of sense of mastery, dwelling on the "old" way of doing things, sadness and worry.

Disenchantment - negativity or anger, seeking support by forming coalitions, engaging in sabotage or backstabbing.

Disorientation - feeling lost and unsure, wasting energy figuring out "what" to do instead of "how" to do things, become detail-oriented, leave tasks until all "questions" are answered, feeling of losing touch with priorities, analyzing the change "to death".

(Thanks University of Pittsburgh Psych Department)


"Life is change. How it differs from the rocks." - Grace Slick -

We go through this every time. The devs try to refine their product that's some eight or nine years old now, incrementally to prevent crippling shock ravaging the masses. We get the same percentage of people overall reacting in one of the four above mentioned fashions every time. If you did a statisical check, you'd find with each change the same number of people post the same type of reaction...every time.

In the dreaded and unmentioned RL, it's likely change is met the same way by the same people in the same numbers. It's only natural. Move one stick of furniture and my border collie is suspicious for a week. He'll calm down, but months after he'll still sniff it as he walks by as if to say "this still isn't RIGHT."

What we should ask ourselves is are we reacting to what and how it was changed, or to the change itself? Most of us from many years of experience know you're unfamiliar with a key punching, 'puter procedure till you do it a few times, and before you know it, it's second nature. Sure as my Hurricane is under-insured, the same will happen with THIS change, as it has with all the OTHER changes.

"If it ain't broke don't fix it." - Every Redneck I've Ever Worked With -

It's true, sometimes people mess with things just to be messing with them (as we say in Alabama). Change for the sake of change is resisted and it's arguable - rightly so. The question then becomes, was the change necessary, or an improvement? I daresay so far, until we've all made the new keystrokes second nature, we can't really say. So, much criticism is a bit premature, and is likely a reaction to the change itself.

Over time we may find a change, or two, just weren't for the best. I'm sure the devs aren't so hard-headed as to ignore this. However, some people are enamored of their own work, and themselves resist change - especially if it involves reversing a change they thought was so brilliant to begin with. Such vanity isn't very helpful, but we can't know if this is presently the case until events unfold. This, too, will take time.

In the meanwhile, I just love watching us being ourselves. Don't you? The one sure change we can all agree on is - Be sure to change your underwear. You never know WHEN you might be hit by a bus.

Nah. The question becomes: do the additions add more value than the things that were unquestionably lost, and does GÇ£improvementGÇ¥ really have room for such a thing as lost functionality?


The change was necessary; the loss of functionality and efficiency was not. It could have been an improvement, but was fumbled. At best, it might reach a level of GÇ£just as good, but in a completely different wayGÇ¥, which doesn't really qualify.

Remember when CQ was going to kill EVE, ruined immersion, caused cancer and threw puppies into bonfires?

Psychologists identify four major reactions to significant changes in people's accustomed environment or routine activities:

Thanks for the irrelevant psychology lesson, but the argument isn't about change per se, it's about change that makes things functionally less good than they were before for a lot of players.

Why is it that I can relate to everyone one of those things...

Psychologists identify four major reactions to significant changes in people's accustomed environment or routine activities:

Disengagement - Withdrawal, loss of initiative or interest, fear while hoping for the best, being physically present but mentally absent, loss of drive and commitment, marginal performance.

Dis-identification - Identity is threatened by change, loss of sense of mastery, dwelling on the "old" way of doing things, sadness and worry.

Disenchantment - negativity or anger, seeking support by forming coalitions, engaging in sabotage or backstabbing.

Disorientation - feeling lost and unsure, wasting energy figuring out "what" to do instead of "how" to do things, become detail-oriented, leave tasks until all "questions" are answered, feeling of losing touch with priorities, analyzing the change "to death".

(Thanks University of Pittsburgh Psych Department)


"Life is change. How it differs from the rocks." - Grace Slick -

We go through this every time. The devs try to refine their product that's some eight or nine years old now, incrementally to prevent crippling shock ravaging the masses. We get the same percentage of people overall reacting in one of the four above mentioned fashions every time. If you did a statisical check, you'd find with each change the same number of people post the same type of reaction...every time.

In the dreaded and unmentioned RL, it's likely change is met the same way by the same people in the same numbers. It's only natural. Move one stick of furniture and my border collie is suspicious for a week. He'll calm down, but months after he'll still sniff it as he walks by as if to say "this still isn't RIGHT."

What we should ask ourselves is are we reacting to what and how it was changed, or to the change itself? Most of us from many years of experience know you're unfamiliar with a key punching, 'puter procedure till you do it a few times, and before you know it, it's second nature. Sure as my Hurricane is under-insured, the same will happen with THIS change, as it has with all the OTHER changes.

"If it ain't broke don't fix it." - Every Redneck I've Ever Worked With -

It's true, sometimes people mess with things just to be messing with them (as we say in Alabama). Change for the sake of change is resisted and it's arguable - rightly so. The question then becomes, was the change necessary, or an improvement? I daresay so far, until we've all made the new keystrokes second nature, we can't really say. So, much criticism is a bit premature, and is likely a reaction to the change itself.

Over time we may find a change, or two, just weren't for the best. I'm sure the devs aren't so hard-headed as to ignore this. However, some people are enamored of their own work, and themselves resist change - especially if it involves reversing a change they thought was so brilliant to begin with. Such vanity isn't very helpful, but we can't know if this is presently the case until events unfold. This, too, will take time.

In the meanwhile, I just love watching us being ourselves. Don't you? The one sure change we can all agree on is - Be sure to change your underwear. You never know WHEN you might be hit by a bus.

Nah. The question becomes: do the additions add more value than the things that were unquestionably lost, and does GÇ£improvementGÇ¥ really have room for such a thing as lost functionality?


The change was necessary; the loss of functionality and efficiency was not. It could have been an improvement, but was fumbled. At best, it might reach a level of GÇ£just as good, but in a completely different wayGÇ¥, which doesn't really qualify.

EVE Online was a fun game, 9 years was a good run CCP...but I'm out.

The psych is always relevant. You can pretend that it isn't, but then that's psych, too. Words like "value" and "good" are terms of judgement. Opinions are like a$$holes, everybody's got one. You'll have a hard time proving to me the changes are negative in terms of functionality, rather than just different. And, of course, you can have an abrasive attitude when you do. That's just more psych.

Remember when the new font was going to kill EVE, ruined immersion, caused cancer and threw puppies into bonfires?

Sure as my Hurricane is under-insured, the same will happen with THIS change, as it has with all the OTHER changes.

The one sure change we can all agree on is - Be sure to change your underwear. You never know WHEN you might be hit by a bus.

Words like "value" and "good" are terms of judgement.

Number of mouseclicks to do a given job is objective. There is an objective loss in utility for many people - just as there was an objective loss in utility in last year's attempted move from Hangar view to CQ.

In this instance (and in some others) It's not a generic fear of change qua change. Yes, that often happens in MMOs, and it happens and has happened in EVE, but sometimes forum uproars can't just be automatically pegged as that. This (like last year's Incarna fiasco) is one of those occasions.

After 20 years of working IT, I feel emotionally moved with this thread. I'll now check prices on a wingsuit and find a good cliff... oh wait, I'm in Florida... no mountains... bah, I'm doomed.

Remember when the new font was going to kill EVE, ruined immersion, caused cancer and threw puppies into bonfires?

The devs try to refine their product that's some eight or nine years old now, incrementally to prevent crippling shock ravaging the masses.

Vyl Vit, I have to be honest.

If I am hit by a bus, the state of my underwear will be the least of my worries.

And I guess that's the point. Winnow through the visceral reaction and find the actual problems.
I agree. More mouseclicks - beddy bad.