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Arous Drephius	Posted - 2009.07.16 10:08:00 - [31] Originally by: Sera Ryskin Which would work wonderfully, until you spot the two fatal flaws: 1) Your "hidden" ships have hilariously useless fits on them thanks to filling all their slots with ECCM, which means they are little more than free kills. 2) This doesn't hide anything from the directional scan, and most people will notice the extra ships on scan and people in local. 3. You'd also be able to pick up the other ships with the probes (and possibly the ship types too), you just couldn't get warpable hits on them.
Terra Mikael Private Nuisance	Posted - 2009.07.16 13:44:00 - [32] This is pretty dumb. Forgive me for not seeing the point, but this is a lot of work for almost nothing. Why don't you just keep moving? If you think hostiles are following you, don't stay put for a long amount of time. fly between safe spots. why you would sit still in a command ship with your Merlin buddies sensor boosting you instead of just moving your ass doesn't make a lot of sense. ________________________________ Originally by: Lone Gunman Yes overpowered would be giving a ship with the Covert ops cloak the ability to fire say..Torpedos, now that would be overpowered. But CCP would
Lubomir Penev Dark Nexxus	Posted - 2009.07.16 14:05:00 - [33] Originally by: Terra Mikael why you would sit still in a command ship with your Merlin buddies sensor boosting you instead of just moving your ass doesn't make a lot of sense. Because you are busy fighting on another char. -- 081014 : emoragequit, char transfered to a friend, 090317 : back to original owner blog
Kazuo Ishiguro House of Marbles	Posted - 2009.07.16 14:40:00 - [34] Originally by: Terra Mikael Why don't you just keep moving? If you think hostiles are following you, don't stay put for a long amount of time. fly between safe spots. There are two good reasons that have been put forward in this thread: 1. Covert cyno placement - you can't move or cloak during that time iirc, even if it's only for 60 seconds. 2. Someone else claimed that gang links don't work during warp- if so, having to move around constantly would pretty much negate them. --- 34.4:1 mineral compression ISRC Racing, Season 7 - schedule
MarieFrance Tessier	Posted - 2009.07.16 15:56:00 - [35] What is the base targeting size of an MWDing drone, by the way? (of each size) Does this make Drone ships never unscannable while fighting?
Kazuo Ishiguro House of Marbles	Posted - 2009.07.16 18:35:00 - [36] 4.44 for heavies/sentries, 4 for meds, 3.33 for lights - all well within the comfortable range of most probers. You could try keeping them all targeted with ECCM projectors if you had nothing better to do, but it's not worth the bother. --- 34.4:1 mineral compression ISRC Racing, Season 7 - schedule
Cobalt Sixty Caldari Piezochem	Posted - 2009.07.16 19:26:00 - [37] Interesting, if only in a mostly intellectual capacity - but still interesting enough to consider. Originally by: Kazuo Ishiguro It will be interesting to see what happens to the recently announced +75% sensor strength implant set, which, assuming that the bonus is not subject to a stacking penalty, will make it much easier to do this. I was at first confused by these (It isn't as though the unwashed masses are still hysterically declaring "BECAUSE OF FALCON!" everywhere, anymore - hence another anti-ECM measure) and I still question their overall practicality ... but they could certainly contribute to something that is interesting enough to give consideration. Thanks for the post.
insidion Caldari Last of the Technocracy	Posted - 2009.07.17 01:27:00 - [38] Its black magic I tell you!
Enden Assulu Caldari Blood Money Inc.	Posted - 2009.07.17 02:25:00 - [39] Edited by: Enden Assulu on 17/07/2009 02:26:15 Originally by: Kazuo Ishiguro [Rook, MS ECCM cloak] You can't use any e-war on a mother ship, EFT doesn't account for this. Also warping turns off gang links so moving around in a CS is pretty ****ing useless. Click the image!
Davinel Lulinvega	Posted - 2009.07.17 02:36:00 - [40] Originally by: Enden Assulu Edited by: Enden Assulu on 17/07/2009 02:26:15 Originally by: Kazuo Ishiguro [Rook, MS ECCM cloak] You can't use any e-war on a mother ship, EFT doesn't account for this. Also warping turns off gang links so moving around in a CS is pretty **ing useless. Does eccm count as ewar? Originally by:** CCP Tuxford Now the op looks like a weirdo that can't read kekekeke! inb4 stealth edit
Enden Assulu Caldari Blood Money Inc.	Posted - 2009.07.17 02:43:00 - [41] Originally by: Davinel Lulinvega Originally by: Enden Assulu Edited by: Enden Assulu on 17/07/2009 02:26:15 Originally by: Kazuo Ishiguro [Rook, MS ECCM cloak] You can't use any e-war on a mother ship, EFT doesn't account for this. Also warping turns off gang links so moving around in a CS is pretty ****ing useless. Does eccm count as ewar? I think it does, gonna go try it out. Click the image!
Kazuo Ishiguro House of Marbles	Posted - 2009.07.17 12:14:00 - [42] FYI, I did edit that post to say that it won't quite work - motherships have sensor strength of 150, not 1000 as per EFT, so you can't make them completely unprobeable this way. --- 34.4:1 mineral compression ISRC Racing, Season 7 - schedule
Kazuo Ishiguro House of Marbles	Posted - 2009.07.17 12:15:00 - [43] Edited by: Kazuo Ishiguro on 17/07/2009 12:17:51 Double post. --- 34.4:1 mineral compression ISRC Racing, Season 7 - schedule
ChinaWillGrowLarger Heretic Command	Posted - 2009.07.17 13:35:00 - [44] [Thanatos, New Setup 1] Magnetometric Backup Array II Magnetometric Backup Array II Magnetometric Backup Array II Magnetometric Backup Array II Magnetometric Backup Array II Magnetometric Backup Array II ECCM - Magnetometric II ECCM - Magnetometric II ECCM - Magnetometric II ECCM - Magnetometric II ECCM - Magnetometric II Drone Control Unit I Drone Control Unit I Drone Control Unit I Drone Control Unit I Drone Control Unit I Drone Durability Enhancer I Drone Control Range Augmentor I Drone Speed Augmentor I Firbolg x15 High Grade Halo Set and a Strong X-Instinct booster. 1995 Sig Res, 600+ Sensor Strength (900+ when overloading). What if we add max skilled Command ships with Information and Skirmish wafare mindlinks? How difficult would this be to probe out?
Lubomir Penev Dark Nexxus	Posted - 2009.07.17 14:12:00 - [45] Originally by: ChinaWillGrowLarger [Thanatos, New Setup 1] Magnetometric Backup Array II Magnetometric Backup Array II Magnetometric Backup Array II Magnetometric Backup Array II Magnetometric Backup Array II Magnetometric Backup Array II ECCM - Magnetometric II ECCM - Magnetometric II ECCM - Magnetometric II ECCM - Magnetometric II ECCM - Magnetometric II Drone Control Unit I Drone Control Unit I Drone Control Unit I Drone Control Unit I Drone Control Unit I Drone Durability Enhancer I Drone Control Range Augmentor I Drone Speed Augmentor I Firbolg x15 High Grade Halo Set and a Strong X-Instinct booster. 1995 Sig Res, 600+ Sensor Strength (900+ when overloading). What if we add max skilled Command ships with Information and Skirmish wafare mindlinks? How difficult would this be to probe out? It's not probable, go fly it, you are safe. Or you could read the first post (and learn about the stacking penalty while you're at it) -- 081014 : emoragequit, char transfered to a friend, 090317 : back to original owner blog
MarieFrance Tessier	Posted - 2009.07.17 16:23:00 - [46] Originally by: ChinaWillGrowLarger [Thanatos, New Setup 1] Magnetometric Backup Array II Magnetometric Backup Array II Magnetometric Backup Array II Magnetometric Backup Array II Magnetometric Backup Array II Magnetometric Backup Array II ECCM - Magnetometric II ECCM - Magnetometric II ECCM - Magnetometric II ECCM - Magnetometric II ECCM - Magnetometric II Drone Control Unit I Drone Control Unit I Drone Control Unit I Drone Control Unit I Drone Control Unit I Drone Durability Enhancer I Drone Control Range Augmentor I Drone Speed Augmentor I Firbolg x15 High Grade Halo Set and a Strong X-Instinct booster. 1995 Sig Res, 600+ Sensor Strength (900+ when overloading). What if we add max skilled Command ships with Information and Skirmish wafare mindlinks? How difficult would this be to probe out? Slap a halo set on your thanatos pilot :) (Or the new faction warfare set :P)
Jedziah	Posted - 2009.07.17 18:40:00 - [47] [Ragnarok, Unprobeable] LADAR Backup Array II LADAR Backup Array II Nanofiber Internal Structure II Nanofiber Internal Structure II Capital Armor Repairer I Damage Control II Conjunctive Ladar ECCM Scanning Array I Conjunctive Ladar ECCM Scanning Array I Conjunctive Ladar ECCM Scanning Array I Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II Skirmish Warfare Link - Evasive Maneuvers Skirmish Warfare Link - Interdiction Maneuvers Skirmish Warfare Link - Rapid Deployment Heavy Unstable Power Fluctuator I Large 'Vehemence' I Shockwave Charge Large 'Vehemence' I Shockwave Charge Gjallarhorn Jump Portal Generator I Low Friction Nozzle Joints II Low Friction Nozzle Joints II Low Friction Nozzle Joints II With full Halos and the Skirmish mindlink: 6642 Sensor Strength, 5927.18 Sig Radius. Someone got a Rag to test it with? :P
Kazuo Ishiguro House of Marbles	Posted - 2009.07.18 11:35:00 - [48] Warning to EFT warriors: EFT values for base sensor strengths of motherships & itans are incorrect (1k each, should be 150 / 200 respectively). The above fit will not work. --- 34.4:1 mineral compression ISRC Racing, Season 7 - schedule
Kazuo Ishiguro House of Marbles	Posted - 2009.07.18 12:04:00 - [49] Interesting T3 application of this idea that someone sent me: unscannable bubble-proof probing command ship. [Tengu, ECCM CS] Gravimetric Backup Array II Co-Processor II Co-Processor II Command Processor I Command Processor I Command Processor I Conjunctive Gravimetric ECCM Scanning Array I Conjunctive Gravimetric ECCM Scanning Array I Conjunctive Gravimetric ECCM Scanning Array I Skirmish Warfare Link - Evasive Maneuvers Information Warfare Link - Sensor Integrity Covert Ops Cloaking Device II Sisters Expanded Probe Launcher, Sisters Combat Scanner Probe I Siege Warfare Link - Shield Efficiency Siege Warfare Link - Shield Harmonizing Gravity Capacitor Upgrade I Gravity Capacitor Upgrade I [empty rig slot] Tengu Electronics - Emergent Locus Analyzer Tengu Offensive - Covert Reconfiguration Tengu Propulsion - Interdiction Nullifier Tengu Engineering - Capacitor Regeneration Matrix Tengu Defensive - Warfare Processor Also, forgot about the gang bonus for increasing sensor strength - will add it to the spreadsheet. --- 34.4:1 mineral compression ISRC Racing, Season 7 - schedule
Kazuo Ishiguro House of Marbles	Posted - 2009.07.18 13:25:00 - [50] Updated spreadsheet now available: Linkage. Changes: Added sensor strength gang bonus calculation Moved inputs to separate sheets for clarity Added support for T3 warfare link bonuses Added hyperlinks for quick navigation between worksheets --- 34.4:1 mineral compression ISRC Racing, Season 7 - schedule
Unknown Appliant	Posted - 2009.07.18 14:34:00 - [51] Originally by: Kazuo Ishiguro Updated spreadsheet now available: Linkage. Changes: Added sensor strength gang bonus calculation Moved inputs to separate sheets for clarity Added support for T3 warfare link bonuses Added hyperlinks for quick navigation between worksheets 404 Sorry, the stargate denies you access
Kazuo Ishiguro House of Marbles	Posted - 2009.07.18 14:38:00 - [52] Sorry, waiting for an old version to be cleared from the eve-files cache. Try this one. --- 34.4:1 mineral compression ISRC Racing, Season 7 - schedule
achoura	Posted - 2009.07.18 14:54:00 - [53] You know what would be really interesting would be the new 75% to sensor strength implants factoring into your working. After all, were getting them in a month. Personalyl i'm just glad they're not breaking the game *The EVE servers and their patches*
Jus Lookin	Posted - 2009.07.19 23:33:00 - [54] The only use I, a carebear, see for this would be the ability to somehow make my mission running ships immune to scandown so I can mission in low sec. According to your spreadsheet, to make my Navy Raven immune to scandown takes 4 projected ECCM on another ship. That is doable. The problem is the other ship. If I make the other ship a scorpion, I am using 4 mids to keep my Raven non-scanable. This leaves 4 mids and 4 lows for personal ECCM, and with all 8 of these slots in use for personal ECCM, that is not enough to make the scorpion unscannable. Net effect, both ships scanned down and dead. If I make the other ship an EOS, and I have maxed skills, I only need 3 of its mids for projected ECCM to make my Navy Raven unscannable, leaving 1 mid and 6 lows. Once again, with all 7 of these slots in use for ECCM, the EOS is still scannable. Once again, net effect, both ships scanned down and dead. If I make the second ship a Claymore, and I have maxed skills, once again I only need 3 of its mids to make the Navy Raven unscannable, leaving 3 mids and 4 lows for personal use. With all three of its mids as ECCM, it IS unscannable! YAY! Hmm, that is with max skills though. Will be 6 months of training to get my skills high enough to be able to do this, assuming CCP doesn't nerf the whole anti-probing thing. So right now, today, mission runners working in teams of two (1 mission fitted navy raven and 1 max skill Claymore) can do missions in low-sec with impunity! When the new 75% implants are released, that will change again, and should open up a bunch of more viable ship combinations. Oh ya, for the mission runners that are going to try this, do NOT ever launch drones, and do NOT try to bring your leet golem into lowsec in place of the Navy Raven.
Sokratesz Rionnag Alba Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2009.07.20 08:15:00 - [55] Threads like this remind me why Eve is awesome and the other games are all pong in comparison
Lubomir Penev Dark Nexxus	Posted - 2009.07.20 09:19:00 - [56] Edited by: Lubomir Penev on 20/07/2009 09:19:25 Originally by: Jus Lookin So right now, today, mission runners working in teams of two (1 mission fitted navy raven and 1 max skill Claymore) can do missions in low-sec with impunity! If they are not ganked at a gate or station. Also, as neither gang links nor projected ECCM work in warp you could maybe be probed as you land on your mission site. Pies would land close enough that they can MWD to you. -- 081014 : emoragequit, char transfered to a friend, 090317 : back to original owner blog
Kazuo Ishiguro House of Marbles	Posted - 2009.07.20 14:03:00 - [57] Edited by: Kazuo Ishiguro on 20/07/2009 14:05:09 Originally by: Jus Lookin Edit - checked Evemon - to get my mostly untrained alt into a Maxed Claymore is 240ish days. A lot can happen in that time, but I am going to train towards this anyways, as an entertaining goal :) You can avoid training CS V if you put 2 ECCM projectors on the CNR and activate them on the Claymore, in addition to 2 backups + 2 eccm on the claymore itself plus 4 projectors on the Claymore targeting the CNR. Edit: Testing this to see if we can get it working with a carrier, details over in the test server forum: http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1122792 --- 34.4:1 mineral compression ISRC Racing, Season 7 - schedule
achoura	Posted - 2009.07.20 21:11:00 - [58] Loki has the same bonus and it's a rank 1 skill... *The EVE servers and their patches*
Gareshor	Posted - 2009.07.21 13:09:00 - [59] Alright, I'm going to preface this post with a disclaimer that I'm VERY new to Eve and am just finishing my third week of playtime today. But a simple question...can probes detect other probes? If so, couldn't a dedicated team of scanners just put a large number of probes in a VERY tight area where you think the cyno ship is, and then start warping to the probes? Obviously it'd be more of a shotgun method, and particularly luck based, but still. Anyways, if it's a dumb idea just ignore it. I'm going to bed either way.
Nian Banks Minmatar Berserkers of Aesir	Posted - 2009.07.21 13:27:00 - [60] If anyone wants to try this with a claymore, give me 60 days to do lvl 5 of skirmish warfare specialist and warfare link specialist. Will have a max skill claymore then

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