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Galaor
Amarr Senex Legio Get Off My Lawn
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Posted - 2009.07.16 14:55:00 -
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Fun read as usual, but I think you're muddling up causes with effects a bit. This isn't any different than explaining the difference between a stock market downturn and a crash, or a military retreat vs. a rout. The common denominator is a failure (temporary or permanent) to believe in a system that requires such belief in order to work (you call it change in identification). The rest of the stuff you talk about may or may not be present.
There's all sorts of excellent analysis work on exactly how the rifleman square (think redcoats) worked, why certain armies had excellent results copying it and certain others never got it right, and how and why it failed when it did. You can get pretty much the same studies on the effect of cavalry charges on masses of footmen (and the effect of masses of footmen on cavalry charges). It's fun stuff.
For more recent examples, read any book on why World War 1 ended the way it did. If you want real life failure cascades (*lots* of them), it's hard to find better examples than that.
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Galaor
Amarr Senex Legio Get Off My Lawn
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Posted - 2009.07.16 15:39:00 -
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Originally by: The Mittani i deliberately avoid analogies to real-life combat as eve is much more analagous to a no-contact sport than war. this is why quoting sun tzu about eve is such a laughingstock: no one gets killed or risks death and everyone can escape negative situations in eve simply by logging off
I don't think you believe this for a minute. The people your skullduggery works best against are those that are emotionally involved with this game, and that care deeply about their internet spaceship assets. I don't think failure cascades are possible without this emotional involvement. Then again, it's pretty hard to build and maintain a strong 0.0-space holding alliance without it either...
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Galaor
Amarr Senex Legio Get Off My Lawn
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Posted - 2009.07.16 15:50:00 -
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Edited by: Galaor on 16/07/2009 15:52:37
Originally by: The Mittani emotional investment in sports is common, just as it is in games, you'll note that i did not deny this in what you quoted
the particular stressors which render combat and war so damaging (see this book) simply don't exist in games or sports, which is why i stay away from any ~sun tzu~ or battlefield analogies
I'll put it on my wishlist. You ought to read this in turn.
*Edit* and I think you'll like this if you haven't read it yet.
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Galaor
Amarr Senex Legio Get Off My Lawn
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Posted - 2009.07.16 18:22:00 -
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Originally by: William DeMeo The profit motive, or maybe I should say "production for profit" (after all, cultural victory), is the only rational thing required for a free market to work.
Proof or STFU.
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Galaor
Amarr Senex Legio Get Off My Lawn
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Posted - 2009.07.16 18:36:00 -
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Originally by: William DeMeo
Originally by: Galaor
Originally by: William DeMeo The profit motive, or maybe I should say "production for profit" (after all, cultural victory), is the only rational thing required for a free market to work.
Proof or STFU.
Go to school.
Is that where you learned that repeating what you've been told is an acceptable substitute for objective proof? I hope it was cheap.
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