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Nabubrela	Posted - 2009.07.17 13:36:00 - [1] I want to use AF (and HAC when skills allow)on separate account as dps boost to my missioner char (Amarr space so mostly Sansha/Blood Raiders rats) So only the DPS part is important as the main char will tank everything. So my question is: Which AF and HAC will do most damage? Race don`t matter.
el caido School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2009.07.17 13:43:00 - [2] Edited by: el caido on 17/07/2009 13:44:27 Amarr and Gall AFs and HACs, most likely. Enyo, Ishkur, Retri, Ishtar, Diemost, Zealot. edit: Also, if you don't plan on needing a tank, a DPS-fit Navy Vex is surprisingly powerful.
VanNostrum The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.07.17 14:10:00 - [3] speaking solely in terms of dps, i ditched my zealot for a sac for L4s. I do about 50% more dps and have better tank than i did with zealot. Only thing i miss with sac is it was easier to pop frigs with zealot. For AFs, and again speaking in terms of dps and no tank, i'd believe blaster harpy/enyo would have the best dps
1600 RT	Posted - 2009.07.17 14:11:00 - [4] Edited by: 1600 RT on 17/07/2009 14:11:38 AF at best can do 300 dps with faction stuff and at very close range so probably not a good idea for mission. as dps support i would use a ishtar or a zealot both have good range and dmg type for blood sansha rats, cerberus would be good if it wasnt for the loss of 25% of its damage if not shooting kin missiles, not very good for amarr mission. but tbh i would skill for a gank BS (armageddon/abaddon/navy raven) much higher dmg and range than any HAC more to skill but surely better performance.
AstroPhobic Divine Retribution	Posted - 2009.07.17 14:17:00 - [5] A cruiser will outgank an AF for missions. The vexor will do the most raw dps, and the ishtar will follow well in it's footsteps. They also have the advantage of not being too attention heavy and switchable damage types. The omen/zealot wouldn't be a bad choice either, and the caracal/cerb wouldn't fair poorly either. I think it's mostly personal preference, or consider what you're doing after the hac or outside of missions. Of course it's important to note as a poster said above me, a bs would be a better choice for a mission gank ship.
Davinel Lulinvega	Posted - 2009.07.17 14:52:00 - [6] Ishtar would probably be able to apply the most real dps. You can just assign a set of bouncers to your main char and with their immense range you won't have to do any micro. Originally by: CCP Tuxford Now the op looks like a weirdo that can't read kekekeke! inb4 stealth edit
BuckStrider Wreckless Abandon Minor Threat.	Posted - 2009.07.17 15:19:00 - [7] Originally by: Davinel Lulinvega Ishtar would probably be able to apply the most real dps. You can just assign a set of bouncers to your main char and with their immense range you won't have to do any micro. ^ ^ This Personally, AF/HAC are really best suited for pvp.
Blyss Jorgon	Posted - 2009.07.17 17:28:00 - [8] If you passive tank an Ishtar you can get well over a 1000 dps tank agaisnt some faction. With the EM damage I not sure it would get that high but well enough for Level 4's. Assign the Ishtar's drones to your main damage dealer, and you don't even have to mess with the ishtar again besides pushing approach to the next gate. Also with no use for high slots you can have the ishtar follow you around and salvage. Real question is what is your main flying?
SwindonBadger 0utbreak KrautbreaK	Posted - 2009.07.17 17:35:00 - [9] ishkur, ishtar as long as u dont mind usging drones, dps wise the iskur hits nice with blasters and drones can be damage specific. or both can run bigger tankc smaller guns and still have good dps. harpy also great with blasters 2 x damge mods Ishtar with centri rigs can be eveil + with no drone agro missions u can run around in lev 4s easy and use light guns for incoming frig for instant dps, demos, zealot are good, tank with a cerb or sac, snipe with munin or demos Eat Them all, let the digestion sort em out
Cavazos Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2009.07.17 17:43:00 - [10] Edited by: Cavazos on 17/07/2009 17:44:15 Originally by: SwindonBadger Edited by: SwindonBadger on 17/07/2009 17:39:22 ishkur, ishtar as long as u dont mind usging drones, dps wise the iskur hits nice with blasters and drones can be damage specific. or both can run bigger tankc smaller guns and still have good dps. harpy also great with blasters 2 x damge mods ahhhh men to that brother =]

Nabubrela	Posted - 2009.07.17 17:46:00 - [11] Usualy I do L4s with Nightmare and it goes really fast because the ship is a beast, but I started training an alt on second account for AF/HAC PVP and figured I can help out with DPS in some missions where I don`t use the Nightmare, just so I can put the alt to any use and to get used to 2 boxing and the ships I`m training for. Tank-wise in those missions I`ll probably just use a heavily passive tanked Drake so I can alt/tab without care etc. Thanks all for the advices.
Neacail	Posted - 2009.07.17 18:02:00 - [12] Edited by: Neacail on 17/07/2009 18:06:07 Highest DPS for AFs would be a blaster Harpy, Enyo or Ishkur. I remember my PvP fit Harpy doing roughly 296 DPS (after implants), but it's very close range. For practicability, you're better off going with a gank vexor. After that, work on getting T2 sentries with an Ishtar. With, it can do some good DPS (538 with Gardes, 471 with Bouncers, but 437 with Curators, which I guess would be your choice for damage type). However, HACs and AFs are probably some of the worst choices when it comes to DPS for PvE. Just train for a battleship, which wouldn't take that long. Not needing to fit for anything but damage opens up a lot of options, like a tach Abaddon. EDIT: Just read your last post. Go with whatever race you like the most when it comes to HACs/AFs. Pretty much every HAC out there can put out 450+ DPS (at varying ranges) when fitted for it.
Cavazos Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2009.07.17 18:05:00 - [13] Originally by: Neacail However, HACs and AFs are probably some of the worst choices when it comes to DPS for PvE. Just train for a battleship, which wouldn't take that long. Not needing to fit for anything but damage opens up a lot of options, like a tach Abaddon. WRONG.!!! the deimos melted BS's before. and so did my ishtar both the gallente are great pve ships but id honestly say get an astarte w/ heavy neutron blaster II's and a few mag field stabs that is an extra about 700-800 dps ina mission w/ yya
Neacail	Posted - 2009.07.17 18:11:00 - [14] Edited by: Neacail on 17/07/2009 18:11:18 Originally by: Cavazos Originally by: Neacail However, HACs and AFs are probably some of the worst choices when it comes to DPS for PvE. Just train for a battleship, which wouldn't take that long. Not needing to fit for anything but damage opens up a lot of options, like a tach Abaddon. WRONG.!!! the deimos melted BS's before. and so did my ishtar both the gallente are great pve ships but id honestly say get an astarte w/ heavy neutron blaster II's and a few mag field stabs that is an extra about 700-800 dps ina mission w/ yya I never said they are bad choices for general PvE. Heck, I use my Ishtar to do level 5 missions when I'm extremely bored. The OP is talking about DPS when dual boxing. Astarte and Deimos can put out over 700 DPS but they need to be very close to the target. A tach abaddon can do 800-900 at 33km (not counting drones) and would probably take just as long to train for. Just compare the Ishtar to the Dominix when it comes to missions, and you'll get a clearer picture. What's the Ishtar's advantage? Far superior tank, but DPS will probably not cross 600. When you don't need that much tank, a Domi, with its 700-1000 DPS (rails), is a better choice.
Artemis Rose Sileo In Pacis The Space P0lice	Posted - 2009.07.17 18:16:00 - [15] Ishtar without a doubt. Pack in Heavies, Sentries and some Lights/Med or w/e. Assign them to help your main, use them yourself, w/e it takes. *** Currently Playing: Trolls from Outer Space Current Equipment: VISAcard chain mail, +2 Amulet of Epic Whine, Self Banstick +2 WTB: +666 E-peen killboard stats
Omara Otawan	Posted - 2009.07.17 21:09:00 - [16] Edited by: Omara Otawan on 17/07/2009 21:12:25 The Ishtar would probably be the best choice, it has great damage output, can sport a respectable tank (in case something goes wrong with aggro), and most important if you train all 4 races drones you can vary damage type to match the npc resist hole. Plus it gets utility slots to salvage. Another thing that could be interesting is a Stealth Bomber. These things put out some nasty damage against the BS rats, plus you got a covert ship that can scout your main if you mission in lowsec. You can aswell mount a core probe launcher on there to scan for plexes, they can have kinda good reward compared to missions if you go for the 5/10. As far as AFs go, I'd guess your best choices would be Ishkur, Wolf, Enyo, Harpy. Ishkur is the top dog though.
Wannabehero Absolutely No Retreat	Posted - 2009.07.17 22:11:00 - [17] Originally by: Davinel Lulinvega Ishtar would probably be able to apply the most real dps. You can just assign a set of bouncers to your main char and with their immense range you won't have to do any micro. Quoted again for being the best option. The less you have to manage your second account, the better you can focus your main for greatest efficiency. A drone boat with Sentries assigned to assist your main will be the smoothest you could hope for. Use an ishtar or a dominix. Use NPC damage specific sentries as well. --- ≡√≡ Don't harsh my mellow
Terianna Eri Amarr Scrutari	Posted - 2009.07.17 22:36:00 - [18] Originally by: VanNostrum speaking solely in terms of dps, i ditched my zealot for a sac for L4s. I do about 50% more dps and have better tank than i did with zealot. Only thing i miss with sac is it was easier to pop frigs with zealot. For AFs, and again speaking in terms of dps and no tank, i'd believe blaster harpy/enyo would have the best dps How bad are your laser skills? Zealot outganks and outranges a HAC any day of the week __________________________________ Originally by: CCP Whisper Boo hoo. Cry some more.
VanNostrum The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.07.17 23:04:00 - [19] Originally by: Terianna Eri Originally by: VanNostrum speaking solely in terms of dps, i ditched my zealot for a sac for L4s. I do about 50% more dps and have better tank than i did with zealot. Only thing i miss with sac is it was easier to pop frigs with zealot. For AFs, and again speaking in terms of dps and no tank, i'd believe blaster harpy/enyo would have the best dps How bad are your laser skills? Zealot outganks and outranges a HAC any day of the week zealot outranges yes, but against BS/BC targets ham sac gets much bigger dps
Terianna Eri Amarr Scrutari	Posted - 2009.07.17 23:36:00 - [20] Originally by: VanNostrum Originally by: Terianna Eri Originally by: VanNostrum speaking solely in terms of dps, i ditched my zealot for a sac for L4s. I do about 50% more dps and have better tank than i did with zealot. Only thing i miss with sac is it was easier to pop frigs with zealot. For AFs, and again speaking in terms of dps and no tank, i'd believe blaster harpy/enyo would have the best dps How bad are your laser skills? Zealot outganks and outranges a HAC any day of the week zealot outranges yes, but against BS/BC targets ham sac gets much bigger dps Best I can get is 610 dps without implants with 3 BCU, hobgoblins, and rage missiles. Zealot will get only 573 with 3 HS and navy MF but to slightly better range and can hit smaller targets better, and thats without waiting for drones. Plus the zealot can just switch to scorch and throw ~480 dps to 50km. I'd be very surprised if the Sac were a more efficient supplemental DPS dealer for Amarr missions than the Zealot were, that's all. Er, by "HAC" in my OP i meant "Sac" __________________________________ Originally by: CCP Whisper Boo hoo. Cry some more.

ShadowGod56	Posted - 2009.07.18 00:36:00 - [21] domi
James Lyrus Lyrus Associates The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.07.18 00:56:00 - [22] Originally by: Wannabehero Originally by: Davinel Lulinvega Ishtar would probably be able to apply the most real dps. You can just assign a set of bouncers to your main char and with their immense range you won't have to do any micro. Quoted again for being the best option. The less you have to manage your second account, the better you can focus your main for greatest efficiency. A drone boat with Sentries assigned to assist your main will be the smoothest you could hope for. Use an ishtar or a dominix. Use NPC damage specific sentries as well. Or y'know, sic 5 heavy remote repair drones on your primary, and 'gank' harder. Depends a bit on quite what you're doing though.
VanNostrum The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.07.18 12:29:00 - [23] Edited by: VanNostrum on 18/07/2009 12:29:17 Originally by: Terianna Eri Originally by: VanNostrum Originally by: Terianna Eri Originally by: VanNostrum speaking solely in terms of dps, i ditched my zealot for a sac for L4s. I do about 50% more dps and have better tank than i did with zealot. Only thing i miss with sac is it was easier to pop frigs with zealot. For AFs, and again speaking in terms of dps and no tank, i'd believe blaster harpy/enyo would have the best dps How bad are your laser skills? Zealot outganks and outranges a HAC any day of the week zealot outranges yes, but against BS/BC targets ham sac gets much bigger dps Best I can get is 610 dps without implants with 3 BCU, hobgoblins, and rage missiles. Zealot will get only 573 with 3 HS and navy MF but to slightly better range and can hit smaller targets better, and thats without waiting for drones. Plus the zealot can just switch to scorch and throw ~480 dps to 50km. I'd be very surprised if the Sac were a more efficient supplemental DPS dealer for Amarr missions than the Zealot were, that's all. Er, by "HAC" in my OP i meant "Sac" I can get 773 dps with sac with implants and drones, though you're right, the instant dmg and range superiority gives zealot a bigger advantage
Rip Striker	Posted - 2009.07.18 17:26:00 - [24] Edited by: Rip Striker on 18/07/2009 17:26:40 I recommend the Cerberus. You can hit anything up to 120 km with dps between 400 and 550, all depending on damage type. It is particularly good against guristas/serpentis as it has very high therm/kin resists and damage bonus to kinetic missiles. Fastest (average) mission completion times (which matters most, not dps!) can be achieved with a Cerberus as it can swap damage types. 4x navy ballistics 5x heavy missile launchers II AB rigor rigs (if you intend to use fury ammo) active tank (faction repper of course) Cake!
Hairygoagain	Posted - 2009.07.18 21:40:00 - [25] Edited by: Hairygoagain on 18/07/2009 21:41:05 Edited by: Hairygoagain on 18/07/2009 21:40:50 Originally by: Nabubrela I want to use AF (and HAC when skills allow)on separate account as dps boost to my missioner char so only the DPS part is important as the main char will tank everything. Please understand that most Battlecruisers will outdamage the equivalent races HACs. HACs benefits are speed, range and manoeuvrability, not DPS or tank.
Wannabehero Absolutely No Retreat	Posted - 2009.07.19 01:58:00 - [26] Originally by: James Lyrus Originally by: Wannabehero Originally by: Davinel Lulinvega Ishtar would probably be able to apply the most real dps. You can just assign a set of bouncers to your main char and with their immense range you won't have to do any micro. Quoted again for being the best option. The less you have to manage your second account, the better you can focus your main for greatest efficiency. A drone boat with Sentries assigned to assist your main will be the smoothest you could hope for. Use an ishtar or a dominix. Use NPC damage specific sentries as well. Or y'know, sic 5 heavy remote repair drones on your primary, and 'gank' harder. Depends a bit on quite what you're doing though. Picking tank over gank? Seriously though, a domi can be setup run a single LAR II, a remote rep, and still fit 2 omnidirectionals. With five sentry drones assigned to assist your main and the domi running a remote rep or energy transfer, I've yet to find a better mission assist from a second account (taking real world factors into consideration, such as having to switch between accounts and manage targets with both accounts when using two 'gank' ships). --- ≡√≡ Don't harsh my mellow


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