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Intigo
Amarr Endemic Aggression Exalted.
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Posted - 2009.07.21 13:39:00 -
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Edited by: Intigo on 21/07/2009 13:49:11 I was being silly (and wrong), sorry.
Make it count for next tournament. ___________________
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Herschel Yamamoto
Agent-Orange
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Posted - 2009.07.21 15:09:00 -
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Originally by: Muad' Dib You mean back when BoB was owning all tournaments because they had the most isk to invest in it and everyone knew who was gonna win ? Your a freaking idiot man.
The accusations of lack of e-morality, the e-drama, the tears - of Tri, ... all make it seem like this tournament is gonna be a hell of a lot of fun. :)
Oh, please. Bar the one team that flew the Imperial ship(who lost), any self-respecting alliance can afford a run at he Alliance Tournament. I could self-fund it if I wanted to, and I'm not an especially rich player. Unless the rules back then allowed for officer gear or something, money is not an issue for any serious alliance.
That said, I agree with you - this AT is going to be fun to watch. The drama only makes it funnier.
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Haakelen
Gallente Nation of Muppets
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Posted - 2009.07.21 15:45:00 -
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Not supported, this is hilarious.
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Lakut
EmpiresMod
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Posted - 2009.07.21 16:03:00 -
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Originally by: Rakshasa Taisab Not Supported, goes against the Spirit of EvE.
This.
Also, this:
Originally by: Demented Fury Not supported at all.
The posted rules does not restrict the sale of alliance tournament spots.
Followed by:
Originally by: Akita T Edited by: Akita T on 21/07/2009 04:02:24
The logical rule that should be added to the NEXT tournament (and following ones) is...
"Pilots eligible to participate in the alliance tournament must have been part of the alliance SINCE THE MOMENT THE APPLICATION WAS SUBMITTED up until the tournament."
Clarification : * this would automatically disqualify character sales too, since you HAVE to drop to a NPC corp as per current character transfer rules * it would also disqualify alliance-jumpers trying to get into as many alliances as possible to become eligible * and it would automatically make selling spots in the tournament impossible as a result
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A.C - I strongly suggest you rephrase your OP to make the above clear
With the minor wording difference that the eligible pilots have to be part of the alliance since at least a day before the lottery for tournament spots took place and allowing maybe 2-3 pilots that aren't eligible by this rule per team (or some kind of ratio depending on the amount of pilots per team, rounded down, for example 33% in a team of 8 would mean 2 non-eligible pilots allowed).
I also hope (and expect) that Lark scams the pilots of the auction's winning team out of any rewards they would possibly win. The rewards do get to the alliance executor corp or its CEO, I assume? Most importantly, the issue is that this is already my signature. ---------- You get a wonderful view from the point of no return. |
leboe
Dark Star Cartel
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Posted - 2009.07.21 18:02:00 -
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this stuff is WHY I voted for lark in the csm election. go neos
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Shakari Sween
freelancers inc
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Posted - 2009.07.21 20:12:00 -
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Should def be stoped and the teams that do get pulled out and the spots given to the people who lost out on the draw. huh? oh its the signature! |
Larkonis Trassler
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Posted - 2009.07.21 20:23:00 -
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Pretty sure this was considered by the Devs before they decided on the format.
So you ban Alliances from doing what I'm doing, how many others are going to do it on the quiet? How are you going to enforce this?
No alliance may recruit new corps or members after the listings have been published? That's going to put a downer on things.
I'm not the first person to do this and I won't be the last.
FOR SALE: ALLIANCE TOURNAMENT 7 SLOT |
steave435
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.07.21 20:57:00 -
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Originally by: Awesome Possum I actually agree with this thread.
But only on the condition that the rule is not retroactive and that Lark's auction is grandfathered in.
He is playing within the rules. Crying to get the rules changed (to get him in trouble), just because you don't like what he's doing, is moronic.
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Tusko Hopkins
HUN Corp. HUN Reloaded
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Posted - 2009.07.21 21:22:00 -
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Edited by: Tusko Hopkins on 21/07/2009 21:23:30 Participating at an alliance tournament is a sport. Jumping on the opportunity and making a business based on the weak ruleset is just wrong. Those who are saying that this is very EVEish are right, EVE is a harsh world, people are scamming each other around all day but that does not mean that the alliance tournament should be like that as well. It is not pointing into the right direction. You do not honestly believe that the AT7 team at CCP sat down to a table and agreed that "cool we are going to do a lottery, so that those who win can sell their places for good".
It is quite obvious that there isn't much CCP can do right now to stop this from happening at AT7, as the rules are fixed and changing them now would cause a lot more trouble than good. However, here is an opportunity to learn from for AT8 so this does not happen again. They should either drop the lottery and find some other solution, or make some new rules that counter this tournament position selling.
Like someone already suggested, only allow pilots to the fights who were members of the tournament BEFORE the alliance applied. Tbh, I can live with the feeling that new members in my alliance cannot fight at the tournament if this rule makes the tournament cleaner. Why would I send my newest recruits to the alliance tourney anyways, this is not a playground. Those who send pilots who just joined the alliance are most probably either selling the position or an alt alliance, so it's not a big loss anyways.
I support that the CSM discusses this problem internally and if they find that this is a problem, escalate it to CCP.
CSM representative CSM candidate for 2nd cycle Campaign website http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameb |
Peter Packet
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Posted - 2009.07.21 21:28:00 -
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Man it's full of cry babies here............. get a live or friggin bid to get neo spartans out of a pure alliance tournament!!!!
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Faife
Insidious Existence RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2009.07.21 21:54:00 -
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limit tournament to sov holding alliances.
there, i said it :P -- Check out my EVE cartoons |
Valorous Bob
TARSHISH FOUNDATION Insomniacs United
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Posted - 2009.07.21 22:57:00 -
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Originally by: steave435
Originally by: Awesome Possum I actually agree with this thread.
But only on the condition that the rule is not retroactive and that Lark's auction is grandfathered in.
He is playing within the rules. Crying to get the rules changed (to get him in trouble), just because you don't like what he's doing, is moronic.
this. _______________________________________________
Originally by: Governor LePetomane You know who I can't stand? Explorers. Smug, invisible bastards.
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darius mclever
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Posted - 2009.07.21 23:48:00 -
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i am sure laconians are just disappointed they cant hotdrop with carriers and pulled out. they shouldnt earn money from it.
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Larkonis Trassler
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Posted - 2009.07.22 01:34:00 -
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Originally by: darius mclever i am sure laconians are just disappointed they cant hotdrop with carriers and pulled out. they shouldnt earn money from it.
Hi Tash.
FOR SALE: ALLIANCE TOURNAMENT 7 SLOT |
Mistress Frome
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.07.22 01:54:00 -
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This is pretty damn awesome. I want a thumbs down icon =/ ---
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darius mclever
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Posted - 2009.07.22 01:55:00 -
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Originally by: Larkonis Trassler
Originally by: darius mclever i am sure laconians are just disappointed they cant hotdrop with carriers and pulled out. they shouldnt earn money from it.
Hi Tash.
I am sure you mean someone else. sorry to disappoint you.
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Shigsy
Neo Spartans Laconian Syndicate
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Posted - 2009.07.22 03:58:00 -
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Originally by: sliver 0xD
and also Larkonis Trassler of Neo Spartans Laconian Syndicate should clearly be REMOVED from CSM for his actions.
Make proposal for this and ill agree.
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Twilight Magester
Caldari Foundation Sons of Tangra
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Posted - 2009.07.22 06:23:00 -
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Originally by: Shigsy
Originally by: sliver 0xD
and also Larkonis Trassler of Neo Spartans Laconian Syndicate should clearly be REMOVED from CSM for his actions.
Make proposal for this and ill agree.
What's funny about this is silver 0xD was the first (or one of the first?) to bid on the very spot Larkonis is selling (a bid of 2 bil I believe).
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OwlManAtt
Gallente Yasashii Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2009.07.22 07:08:00 -
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Originally by: Larkonis Trassler So you ban Alliances from doing what I'm doing, how many others are going to do it on the quiet? How are you going to enforce this?
My thoughts exactly. There's really nothing that would prevent a private sale of the slot.
Banning the sale of alliance tournament slots is unenforceable. The real problem here is that they're a finite resource; perhaps a better solution would be that _any_ alliance can put together a team and play some qualifying rounds.
That's a much fairer solution than first come/first serve and it avoids the sale of slots entirely (your team + alternates is defined _before_ you qualify).
Overhead is increased (they have to run qualifying matches with tons of people), but if you really want to fix the problem... |
Tusko Hopkins
HUN Corp. HUN Reloaded
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Posted - 2009.07.22 10:30:00 -
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Why do you think that only allowing pilots to participate who joined the alliance prior to the tourney application would not solve this problem?
CSM representative CSM candidate for 2nd cycle Campaign website http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameb |
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Larkonis Trassler
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Posted - 2009.07.22 11:33:00 -
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Originally by: Tusko Hopkins Why do you think that only allowing pilots to participate who joined the alliance prior to the tourney application would not solve this problem?
Flash to bang time from applications opening to the first match is what? 8 weeks? 9 weeks?
Some Alliances are born and killed in that time. People come and go, smaller entities may find they don't have the skill base for what was planned or the prostpect of fighting in the tournament may draw fresh blood into an alliance.
Placing artificial restrictions are daft IMHO.
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iP0D
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Posted - 2009.07.22 12:21:00 -
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All of this debate is completely pointless and y'all know it.
Next tournament everybody is going to use alternate identies to try and get a slot, regardless of whether they will openly or discretely swap slots between the various alternate identities. No matter how hard people shout here that they are opposed to it.
From there on the Alliance Tournament will be known as the X64 Tournament
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Herschel Yamamoto
Agent-Orange
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Posted - 2009.07.22 16:44:00 -
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Originally by: iP0D All of this debate is completely pointless and y'all know it.
Next tournament everybody is going to use alternate identies to try and get a slot, regardless of whether they will openly or discretely swap slots between the various alternate identities. No matter how hard people shout here that they are opposed to it.
From there on the Alliance Tournament will be known as the X64 Tournament
To be honest, I doubt it. They've had the option to do this all along, and it hasn't really happened - the only one I can think of was Chribba putting <OTHEP> into the last tourney with a bunch of immigrants as the 100M+ team. Most big alliances do it for fun and to put their alliance names high on the scoreboard, not because they need a huge number of alts to try to win it all. It's only serious business if you make it serious business.
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kayentelva
Minmatar Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.07.22 17:12:00 -
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Edited by: kayentelva on 22/07/2009 17:17:20 do not support
this is eve
edit: and after reading Lark's posts, I will be voting for him next time around
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iP0D
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Posted - 2009.07.22 17:20:00 -
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Originally by: Herschel Yamamoto
Originally by: iP0D All of this debate is completely pointless and y'all know it.
Next tournament everybody is going to use alternate identies to try and get a slot, regardless of whether they will openly or discretely swap slots between the various alternate identities. No matter how hard people shout here that they are opposed to it.
From there on the Alliance Tournament will be known as the X64 Tournament
To be honest, I doubt it. They've had the option to do this all along, and it hasn't really happened - the only one I can think of was Chribba putting <OTHEP> into the last tourney with a bunch of immigrants as the 100M+ team. Most big alliances do it for fun and to put their alliance names high on the scoreboard, not because they need a huge number of alts to try to win it all. It's only serious business if you make it serious business.
It has been done already, just on a relatively decent scale. OTHEP was a good example of commercial thinking, [5] another but more on a level of failsafe, and on the odd opportunity bigger boys went to smaller boys with offers they couldn't refuse. ISK makes stuff go round, with 64 slots people will make effort to get in if they are serious, and when people get serious they are not fond of leaving stuff to chance.
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Ephemeron
North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.07.22 20:22:00 -
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This kind of tournament sell out is a total disgrace. Unlike general EVE game play, tournaments have rules, there is honor involved. That's the whole point
But when you put it up for sale, you destroy all honor
What's next, a bid to buy out judges? Who's gonna reside over this tourny, do the judges want to put their vote up for sale? start your auctions!
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Derek Shmawesome
We Know Derek
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Posted - 2009.07.22 20:29:00 -
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Have em fight in the arena for profit or have em waste their invested billion just like the others who they f*cked with their selfishness.
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Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2009.07.22 21:01:00 -
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Might as well drop this thread as ccp is allowing it.
Originally by: CCP Navigator As per the Sell Order forum rules all posts should be a bid. This is not a discussion forum and posts which bump this thread unnecessarily will result in a warning. No exceptions.
Please either place a genuine bid as per the OP or ignore this thread.
So get your bids ready for next year.
Originally by: Vaden Khale He's doing the moonwalk in HEE-hee-hell.
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Sans Honore
Gallente Wirfadam Productions LTD
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Posted - 2009.07.22 21:05:00 -
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Originally by: kayentelva Edited by: kayentelva on 22/07/2009 17:17:20 do not support
this is eve
edit: and after reading Lark's posts, I will be voting for him next time around
^^This^^
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Djerin
Free-Space-Ranger Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.07.22 21:53:00 -
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Can't change the rules in the midst of the process. Applying the criteria the OP suggest would possibly rule out others who never intended to profit from it. Some people complained about there being Kenny and 5 in the list. But unlike Lark they wanted to be in and fight really instead of selling their slot. Similar problem applies to FW corps in general as they cannot be in an alliance while doing their usual business. Just run it and everyone get over it. Don't make the same mistakes next time again.
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