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Armoured C
Gallente Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2009.07.21 01:57:00 -
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It has come to my attention ( though this thread ) That alliance tournament slots are being taken by certian parties to gain a profit on this occasion which is the alliance tournament. It is un sportman like. As the only event of it kind it is a shame that people will delve into this deep hole to spoil such a occasion as this to link it to profit.
I am making this post to set a proposal to the CSM to push CCP into making a few signing up changes to insure that only people that want to compete have the chance to get into the tournament to win it fabled prizes.
The selling of Alliance tournament places are fobidden. Punsihment would obviously be at CCP discression.
Also if there is any CSM member looking there is also a movement of people in the thread calling for the CSM member to forfeit his alliance tournament position ( this being the main reason i am brining this thread to the assembly hall )
I believe that th CSM is here to look out for all the capsuleers, you are our voice to the CCP community. You are there to look out for the communtiy and yet you have a member of the board here not even aknoledging that the public that you ment to be looking out for are ignored.
RECAP:
the end of distrubution of alliance tournament slots up for sale.
- any alliance that does not want to compete to forfeit there slot and the next back up alliance to be put in it place.
let not spoil something good, it we don't nip this in the bud now next year or the year after will be full of alliances joining up to it just to sell to people that want to compete in the first place ruining what this occasion is ment to be for.
If you believe with this thread stands for please action if by giving it your support.
Armoured C
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Efdi
The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.07.21 02:13:00 -
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Kill yourself (in-game).
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XDSKIRBYKIA
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Posted - 2009.07.21 02:18:00 -
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Originally by: Armoured C
If you believe with this thread stands for please action if by giving it your support.
Armoured C
+1 To CCP doing somthing about abuse of the Alliance tornament and also the Disrepect of the office that the CSM in question holds.
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JitaTradingAlt
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Posted - 2009.07.21 02:31:00 -
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+1
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Awesome Possum
Insert Obscure Latin Name
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Posted - 2009.07.21 02:36:00 -
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I actually agree with this thread.
But only on the condition that the rule is not retroactive and that Lark's auction is grandfathered in.
He is playing within the rules. Crying to get the rules changed (to get him in trouble), just because you don't like what he's doing, is moronic. ♥
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Bestofworst Worstofbest
Caldari Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2009.07.21 02:40:00 -
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Originally by: Awesome Possum I actually agree with this thread.
But only on the condition that the rule is not retroactive and that Lark's auction is grandfathered in.
He is playing within the rules. Crying to get the rules changed (to get him in trouble), just because you don't like what he's doing, is moronic.
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Armoured C
Gallente Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2009.07.21 02:44:00 -
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yeah any sales that have gone though before rule change are allowed to since they were agreed upon before such rules were introduced.
support stop selling alliance tourney places post
Armoured C forum extrodinare |
Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2009.07.21 02:46:00 -
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Originally by: Awesome Possum I actually agree with this thread.
But only on the condition that the rule is not retroactive and that Lark's auction is grandfathered in.
He is playing within the rules. Crying to get the rules changed (to get him in trouble), just because you don't like what he's doing, is moronic.
I would ammend this with the provisio that they can only sell the slots to a reserve alliance and must then become a reserve themselves. That way noone has to do the corp shuffle and the winner of the auction can simply step into the arena and pew pew.
Originally by: Vaden Khale He's doing the moonwalk in HEE-hee-hell.
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Rebnok
H A V O C
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Posted - 2009.07.21 02:47:00 -
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im for the change but not retroactive
You cant change the rules cause someone else had a ideal to make some isk.
So next year sure but don't pizz in his parade
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2009.07.21 03:09:00 -
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Current auction ? Should be allowed. Rule change for next tournament ? Eh, why not.
EVE issues|Mining revamp|Build stuff|Make ISK |
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lljkrens
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Posted - 2009.07.21 03:18:00 -
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Good job to him for thinking of this
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Jogvan
Neo Spartans Laconian Syndicate
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Posted - 2009.07.21 03:20:00 -
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So how would CCP prevent selling the alliance tournament spot to someone else? It would be really easy to do it privately, and for every AT that I remember there is always some people joining corps/alliances just to participate in it.
Fix for next AT, let everyone in.
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Armoured C
Gallente Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2009.07.21 03:23:00 -
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i put a edit in the first post, at best i would like to see anynew auction for spots from when ever the rules set is in place to be against the rules. likly hood of it making it into the rules of the next tourney would be acceptable.
not making it in to the rules at all, well that is a dark path, since this has been put into the public veiw there will be more people wanting to do this which obviously put less pvp on the field until candidates have purchased a slot.
I know some of you are compairing it to normal expenses of buying items and such but this isnt a item this is a tournament.
support stop selling alliance tourney places post
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2009.07.21 03:44:00 -
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Edited by: Akita T on 21/07/2009 03:47:43
The logical rule should be...
"Pilots eligible to participate in the alliance tournament must have been part of the alliance SINCE THE MOMENT THE APPLICATION WAS SUBMITTED up until the tournament."
Clarification : * this would automatically disqualify character sales too, since you HAVE to drop to a NPC corp as per current character transfer rules * it would also disqualify alliance-jumpers trying to get into as many alliances as possible to become eligible * and it would automatically make selling spots in the tournament impossible as a result
EVE issues|Mining revamp|Build stuff|Make ISK |
Rakshasa Taisab
Caldari Sane Industries Inc. Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2009.07.21 03:45:00 -
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Not Supported, goes against the Spirit of EvE.
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Demented Fury
Jita Garbage Collection LTD
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Posted - 2009.07.21 03:52:00 -
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Not supported at all.
The posted rules does not restrict the sale of alliance tournament spots.
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LlamaOfDoom
Einherjar Rising Cry Havoc.
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Posted - 2009.07.21 04:07:00 -
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Immediate ban, retroactive to include the current auction.
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XDSKIRBYKIA
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Posted - 2009.07.21 04:19:00 -
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Edited by: XDSKIRBYKIA on 21/07/2009 04:22:45
Originally by: Rakshasa Taisab Not Supported, goes against the Spirit of EvE.
Fair enough each to have thier own opinion.
Spirt of Eve... Fair Point.
But the tornament is a change from the normal eve gameplay and these types of things are killing the Spirit of the tornament. (imo anyway :))
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Herschel Yamamoto
Agent-Orange
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Posted - 2009.07.21 05:11:00 -
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Selling an alliance tournament slot is, in my mind, no different than selling a betting slip at a horse race. It is a valuable asset, and it is yours to do with as you please. If CCP doesn't want this happening, they can go back to giving out prizes evenly spread across alliance members. I do not, under any circumstances, support a change to game rules telling people who they can and cannot accept into their alliances - and make no mistake, that is exactly what you're asking for. Not supported.
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murder one
Gallente Death of Virtue MeatSausage EXPRESS
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Posted - 2009.07.21 07:26:00 -
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If this is allowed come next alliance tournament then expect to see a ton of place holder alliances bidding for slots for resale. Expect to see me there with 10+ myself.
-murder one
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Verx Interis
SkyNet.
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Posted - 2009.07.21 07:36:00 -
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Definitely agreed.
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sliver 0xD
exiles. The Kadeshi
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Posted - 2009.07.21 07:56:00 -
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Edited by: sliver 0xD on 21/07/2009 07:56:43
agree, the ally touranment should be hold in respect.
and also Larkonis Trassler of Neo Spartans Laconian Syndicate should clearly be REMOVED from CSM for his actions.
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Twilight Magester
Caldari Foundation Sons of Tangra
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Posted - 2009.07.21 08:01:00 -
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Just because he thought of it first imo. I see no problem here.
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Treelox
Amarr Seppuku Warriors
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Posted - 2009.07.21 08:30:00 -
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Originally by: Herschel Yamamoto Selling an alliance tournament slot is, in my mind, no different than selling a betting slip at a horse race. It is a valuable asset, and it is yours to do with as you please. If CCP doesn't want this happening, they can go back to giving out prizes evenly spread across alliance members. I do not, under any circumstances, support a change to game rules telling people who they can and cannot accept into their alliances - and make no mistake, that is exactly what you're asking for. Not supported.
^^the above sums up my thoughts on this aswell^^
Besides who cares, the Allaince Tourneys have been a sad sad shadow of their former glory ever since 2007. --
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Flitz Farseeker
Interstellar Stormfront Outcasts Rebellion
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Posted - 2009.07.21 09:39:00 -
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Edited by: Flitz Farseeker on 21/07/2009 09:40:15 IMO, Laconian Syndicate should be kicked out of the tourney and replaced with one of the backups. If they already sold their spot, the money should be refunded. No further action needed beyond CCP making it clear that the spots cannot be traded.
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Muad' Dib
Gallente Beyond Divinity Inc
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Posted - 2009.07.21 09:48:00 -
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Originally by: Treelox
Originally by: Herschel Yamamoto Selling an alliance tournament slot is, in my mind, no different than selling a betting slip at a horse race. It is a valuable asset, and it is yours to do with as you please. If CCP doesn't want this happening, they can go back to giving out prizes evenly spread across alliance members. I do not, under any circumstances, support a change to game rules telling people who they can and cannot accept into their alliances - and make no mistake, that is exactly what you're asking for. Not supported.
^^the above sums up my thoughts on this aswell^^
Besides who cares, the Allaince Tourneys have been a sad sad shadow of their former glory ever since 2007.
You mean back when BoB was owning all tournaments because they had the most isk to invest in it and everyone knew who was gonna win ? Your a freaking idiot man.
The accusations of lack of e-morality, the e-drama, the tears - of Tri, ... all make it seem like this tournament is gonna be a hell of a lot of fun. :)
Not supporting this. --- I smack just for myself.
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Lucy Fire
True Mission Whores
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Posted - 2009.07.21 09:54:00 -
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Let them be sold Slot in motor sports have been sold in the past why not let that come into the game
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Venkul Mul
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.07.21 10:36:00 -
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Seeing that what is sold is a place in a Alliance for some corp wanting to participate into the alliance tournament I see nothing making that unacceptable per se.
I find a bit disturbing a CSM delegate doing that as they should keep a higher standard of conduct than the average player (I know, big dream, like the politicians had a higher standard of conduct than the average citizen).
So while I find the whole thing not a shining example of flawless morality, it is fully acceptable within the game rules and moral standard.
I must admit I would find fun if after the tourney end, in a very EVE scam stile, the alliance would keep the prizes (whatever they are this year) and the paid isk while kicking the corp out.
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Hegbard
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Posted - 2009.07.21 11:04:00 -
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Silly. This is totally in the spirit of EVE and should be encouraged.
If the system is not changed, I predict a great market for tournament slots next year. More capitalism!
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W3370Pi4
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Posted - 2009.07.21 11:27:00 -
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Intigo
Amarr Endemic Aggression Exalted.
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Posted - 2009.07.21 13:39:00 -
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Edited by: Intigo on 21/07/2009 13:49:11 I was being silly (and wrong), sorry.
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Herschel Yamamoto
Agent-Orange
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Posted - 2009.07.21 15:09:00 -
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Originally by: Muad' Dib You mean back when BoB was owning all tournaments because they had the most isk to invest in it and everyone knew who was gonna win ? Your a freaking idiot man.
The accusations of lack of e-morality, the e-drama, the tears - of Tri, ... all make it seem like this tournament is gonna be a hell of a lot of fun. :)
Oh, please. Bar the one team that flew the Imperial ship(who lost), any self-respecting alliance can afford a run at he Alliance Tournament. I could self-fund it if I wanted to, and I'm not an especially rich player. Unless the rules back then allowed for officer gear or something, money is not an issue for any serious alliance.
That said, I agree with you - this AT is going to be fun to watch. The drama only makes it funnier.
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Haakelen
Gallente Nation of Muppets
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Posted - 2009.07.21 15:45:00 -
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Not supported, this is hilarious.
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Lakut
EmpiresMod
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Posted - 2009.07.21 16:03:00 -
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Originally by: Rakshasa Taisab Not Supported, goes against the Spirit of EvE.
This.
Also, this:
Originally by: Demented Fury Not supported at all.
The posted rules does not restrict the sale of alliance tournament spots.
Followed by:
Originally by: Akita T Edited by: Akita T on 21/07/2009 04:02:24
The logical rule that should be added to the NEXT tournament (and following ones) is...
"Pilots eligible to participate in the alliance tournament must have been part of the alliance SINCE THE MOMENT THE APPLICATION WAS SUBMITTED up until the tournament."
Clarification : * this would automatically disqualify character sales too, since you HAVE to drop to a NPC corp as per current character transfer rules * it would also disqualify alliance-jumpers trying to get into as many alliances as possible to become eligible * and it would automatically make selling spots in the tournament impossible as a result
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A.C - I strongly suggest you rephrase your OP to make the above clear
With the minor wording difference that the eligible pilots have to be part of the alliance since at least a day before the lottery for tournament spots took place and allowing maybe 2-3 pilots that aren't eligible by this rule per team (or some kind of ratio depending on the amount of pilots per team, rounded down, for example 33% in a team of 8 would mean 2 non-eligible pilots allowed).
I also hope (and expect) that Lark scams the pilots of the auction's winning team out of any rewards they would possibly win. The rewards do get to the alliance executor corp or its CEO, I assume? Most importantly, the issue is that this is already my signature. ---------- You get a wonderful view from the point of no return. |
leboe
Dark Star Cartel
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Posted - 2009.07.21 18:02:00 -
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this stuff is WHY I voted for lark in the csm election. go neos
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Shakari Sween
freelancers inc
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Posted - 2009.07.21 20:12:00 -
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Should def be stoped and the teams that do get pulled out and the spots given to the people who lost out on the draw. huh? oh its the signature! |
Larkonis Trassler
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Posted - 2009.07.21 20:23:00 -
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Pretty sure this was considered by the Devs before they decided on the format.
So you ban Alliances from doing what I'm doing, how many others are going to do it on the quiet? How are you going to enforce this?
No alliance may recruit new corps or members after the listings have been published? That's going to put a downer on things.
I'm not the first person to do this and I won't be the last.
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steave435
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.07.21 20:57:00 -
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Originally by: Awesome Possum I actually agree with this thread.
But only on the condition that the rule is not retroactive and that Lark's auction is grandfathered in.
He is playing within the rules. Crying to get the rules changed (to get him in trouble), just because you don't like what he's doing, is moronic.
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Tusko Hopkins
HUN Corp. HUN Reloaded
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Posted - 2009.07.21 21:22:00 -
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Edited by: Tusko Hopkins on 21/07/2009 21:23:30 Participating at an alliance tournament is a sport. Jumping on the opportunity and making a business based on the weak ruleset is just wrong. Those who are saying that this is very EVEish are right, EVE is a harsh world, people are scamming each other around all day but that does not mean that the alliance tournament should be like that as well. It is not pointing into the right direction. You do not honestly believe that the AT7 team at CCP sat down to a table and agreed that "cool we are going to do a lottery, so that those who win can sell their places for good".
It is quite obvious that there isn't much CCP can do right now to stop this from happening at AT7, as the rules are fixed and changing them now would cause a lot more trouble than good. However, here is an opportunity to learn from for AT8 so this does not happen again. They should either drop the lottery and find some other solution, or make some new rules that counter this tournament position selling.
Like someone already suggested, only allow pilots to the fights who were members of the tournament BEFORE the alliance applied. Tbh, I can live with the feeling that new members in my alliance cannot fight at the tournament if this rule makes the tournament cleaner. Why would I send my newest recruits to the alliance tourney anyways, this is not a playground. Those who send pilots who just joined the alliance are most probably either selling the position or an alt alliance, so it's not a big loss anyways.
I support that the CSM discusses this problem internally and if they find that this is a problem, escalate it to CCP.
CSM representative CSM candidate for 2nd cycle Campaign website http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameb |
Peter Packet
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Posted - 2009.07.21 21:28:00 -
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Man it's full of cry babies here............. get a live or friggin bid to get neo spartans out of a pure alliance tournament!!!!
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Faife
Insidious Existence RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2009.07.21 21:54:00 -
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limit tournament to sov holding alliances.
there, i said it :P -- Check out my EVE cartoons |
Valorous Bob
TARSHISH FOUNDATION Insomniacs United
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Posted - 2009.07.21 22:57:00 -
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Originally by: steave435
Originally by: Awesome Possum I actually agree with this thread.
But only on the condition that the rule is not retroactive and that Lark's auction is grandfathered in.
He is playing within the rules. Crying to get the rules changed (to get him in trouble), just because you don't like what he's doing, is moronic.
this. _______________________________________________
Originally by: Governor LePetomane You know who I can't stand? Explorers. Smug, invisible bastards.
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darius mclever
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Posted - 2009.07.21 23:48:00 -
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i am sure laconians are just disappointed they cant hotdrop with carriers and pulled out. they shouldnt earn money from it.
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Larkonis Trassler
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Posted - 2009.07.22 01:34:00 -
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Originally by: darius mclever i am sure laconians are just disappointed they cant hotdrop with carriers and pulled out. they shouldnt earn money from it.
Hi Tash.
FOR SALE: ALLIANCE TOURNAMENT 7 SLOT |
Mistress Frome
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.07.22 01:54:00 -
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This is pretty damn awesome. I want a thumbs down icon =/ ---
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darius mclever
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Posted - 2009.07.22 01:55:00 -
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Originally by: Larkonis Trassler
Originally by: darius mclever i am sure laconians are just disappointed they cant hotdrop with carriers and pulled out. they shouldnt earn money from it.
Hi Tash.
I am sure you mean someone else. sorry to disappoint you.
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Shigsy
Neo Spartans Laconian Syndicate
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Posted - 2009.07.22 03:58:00 -
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Originally by: sliver 0xD
and also Larkonis Trassler of Neo Spartans Laconian Syndicate should clearly be REMOVED from CSM for his actions.
Make proposal for this and ill agree.
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Twilight Magester
Caldari Foundation Sons of Tangra
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Posted - 2009.07.22 06:23:00 -
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Originally by: Shigsy
Originally by: sliver 0xD
and also Larkonis Trassler of Neo Spartans Laconian Syndicate should clearly be REMOVED from CSM for his actions.
Make proposal for this and ill agree.
What's funny about this is silver 0xD was the first (or one of the first?) to bid on the very spot Larkonis is selling (a bid of 2 bil I believe).
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OwlManAtt
Gallente Yasashii Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2009.07.22 07:08:00 -
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Originally by: Larkonis Trassler So you ban Alliances from doing what I'm doing, how many others are going to do it on the quiet? How are you going to enforce this?
My thoughts exactly. There's really nothing that would prevent a private sale of the slot.
Banning the sale of alliance tournament slots is unenforceable. The real problem here is that they're a finite resource; perhaps a better solution would be that _any_ alliance can put together a team and play some qualifying rounds.
That's a much fairer solution than first come/first serve and it avoids the sale of slots entirely (your team + alternates is defined _before_ you qualify).
Overhead is increased (they have to run qualifying matches with tons of people), but if you really want to fix the problem... |
Tusko Hopkins
HUN Corp. HUN Reloaded
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Posted - 2009.07.22 10:30:00 -
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Why do you think that only allowing pilots to participate who joined the alliance prior to the tourney application would not solve this problem?
CSM representative CSM candidate for 2nd cycle Campaign website http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameb |
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Larkonis Trassler
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Posted - 2009.07.22 11:33:00 -
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Originally by: Tusko Hopkins Why do you think that only allowing pilots to participate who joined the alliance prior to the tourney application would not solve this problem?
Flash to bang time from applications opening to the first match is what? 8 weeks? 9 weeks?
Some Alliances are born and killed in that time. People come and go, smaller entities may find they don't have the skill base for what was planned or the prostpect of fighting in the tournament may draw fresh blood into an alliance.
Placing artificial restrictions are daft IMHO.
FOR SALE: ALLIANCE TOURNAMENT 7 SLOT |
iP0D
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Posted - 2009.07.22 12:21:00 -
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All of this debate is completely pointless and y'all know it.
Next tournament everybody is going to use alternate identies to try and get a slot, regardless of whether they will openly or discretely swap slots between the various alternate identities. No matter how hard people shout here that they are opposed to it.
From there on the Alliance Tournament will be known as the X64 Tournament
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Herschel Yamamoto
Agent-Orange
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Posted - 2009.07.22 16:44:00 -
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Originally by: iP0D All of this debate is completely pointless and y'all know it.
Next tournament everybody is going to use alternate identies to try and get a slot, regardless of whether they will openly or discretely swap slots between the various alternate identities. No matter how hard people shout here that they are opposed to it.
From there on the Alliance Tournament will be known as the X64 Tournament
To be honest, I doubt it. They've had the option to do this all along, and it hasn't really happened - the only one I can think of was Chribba putting <OTHEP> into the last tourney with a bunch of immigrants as the 100M+ team. Most big alliances do it for fun and to put their alliance names high on the scoreboard, not because they need a huge number of alts to try to win it all. It's only serious business if you make it serious business.
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kayentelva
Minmatar Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.07.22 17:12:00 -
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Edited by: kayentelva on 22/07/2009 17:17:20 do not support
this is eve
edit: and after reading Lark's posts, I will be voting for him next time around
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iP0D
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Posted - 2009.07.22 17:20:00 -
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Originally by: Herschel Yamamoto
Originally by: iP0D All of this debate is completely pointless and y'all know it.
Next tournament everybody is going to use alternate identies to try and get a slot, regardless of whether they will openly or discretely swap slots between the various alternate identities. No matter how hard people shout here that they are opposed to it.
From there on the Alliance Tournament will be known as the X64 Tournament
To be honest, I doubt it. They've had the option to do this all along, and it hasn't really happened - the only one I can think of was Chribba putting <OTHEP> into the last tourney with a bunch of immigrants as the 100M+ team. Most big alliances do it for fun and to put their alliance names high on the scoreboard, not because they need a huge number of alts to try to win it all. It's only serious business if you make it serious business.
It has been done already, just on a relatively decent scale. OTHEP was a good example of commercial thinking, [5] another but more on a level of failsafe, and on the odd opportunity bigger boys went to smaller boys with offers they couldn't refuse. ISK makes stuff go round, with 64 slots people will make effort to get in if they are serious, and when people get serious they are not fond of leaving stuff to chance.
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Ephemeron
North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.07.22 20:22:00 -
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This kind of tournament sell out is a total disgrace. Unlike general EVE game play, tournaments have rules, there is honor involved. That's the whole point
But when you put it up for sale, you destroy all honor
What's next, a bid to buy out judges? Who's gonna reside over this tourny, do the judges want to put their vote up for sale? start your auctions!
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Derek Shmawesome
We Know Derek
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Posted - 2009.07.22 20:29:00 -
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Have em fight in the arena for profit or have em waste their invested billion just like the others who they f*cked with their selfishness.
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Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2009.07.22 21:01:00 -
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Might as well drop this thread as ccp is allowing it.
Originally by: CCP Navigator As per the Sell Order forum rules all posts should be a bid. This is not a discussion forum and posts which bump this thread unnecessarily will result in a warning. No exceptions.
Please either place a genuine bid as per the OP or ignore this thread.
So get your bids ready for next year.
Originally by: Vaden Khale He's doing the moonwalk in HEE-hee-hell.
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Sans Honore
Gallente Wirfadam Productions LTD
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Posted - 2009.07.22 21:05:00 -
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Originally by: kayentelva Edited by: kayentelva on 22/07/2009 17:17:20 do not support
this is eve
edit: and after reading Lark's posts, I will be voting for him next time around
^^This^^
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Djerin
Free-Space-Ranger Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.07.22 21:53:00 -
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Can't change the rules in the midst of the process. Applying the criteria the OP suggest would possibly rule out others who never intended to profit from it. Some people complained about there being Kenny and 5 in the list. But unlike Lark they wanted to be in and fight really instead of selling their slot. Similar problem applies to FW corps in general as they cannot be in an alliance while doing their usual business. Just run it and everyone get over it. Don't make the same mistakes next time again.
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Orree
Dynaverse Corporation Vertigo Coalition
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Posted - 2009.07.22 22:35:00 -
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Asolutely.
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Ephemeron
North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.07.23 00:07:00 -
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Originally by: Djerin Can't change the rules in the midst of the process.
Sure they can. EVE is a harsh world where scamming is easy and encouraged, remember?
CCP already showed a willingness to sell out. It would be perfectly within the style of the game for CCP to take the money and run, proudly proclaiming that they have successfully scammed a bunch of suckers for billions of isk. All within the game.
Any notion of rules and honor was gone when it went up for sale.
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Larkonis Trassler
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Posted - 2009.07.23 00:10:00 -
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Originally by: Ephemeron
Originally by: Djerin Can't change the rules in the midst of the process.
Sure they can. EVE is a harsh world where scamming is easy and encouraged, remember?
CCP already showed a willingness to sell out. It would be perfectly within the style of the game for CCP to take the money and run, proudly proclaiming that they have successfully scammed a bunch of suckers for billions of isk. All within the game.
Any notion of rules and honor was gone when it went up for sale.
Just because I'm making a public sale doesn't mean this is the first time this has happened.
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5pinDizzy
SMS Fleet Services
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Posted - 2009.07.23 03:39:00 -
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Supported, because now the floodgate has been opened, the applications for the next alliance tournament is going to be a total farce.
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Armoured C
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2009.07.23 09:07:00 -
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Originally by: 5pinDizzy Supported, because now the floodgate has been opened, the applications for the next alliance tournament is going to be a total farce.
and that is what this is for.
support stop selling alliance tourney places post
Armoured C forum extraordinaire |
5pinDizzy
Amarr SMS Fleet Services
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Posted - 2009.07.23 11:00:00 -
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Yeah also did you see how quick CCP were to lock down discussion about this? Not just on the sell order which is reasonable, but in general discussion aswell.
Just because it's a CSM I bet...
I don't know what I'm complaining about though, I see so much moderator bias on the forums it's unreal.
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Larkonis Trassler
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Posted - 2009.07.23 11:27:00 -
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Originally by: 5pinDizzy Yeah also did you see how quick CCP were to lock down discussion about this? Not just on the sell order which is reasonable, but in general discussion aswell.
Just because it's a CSM I bet...
I don't know what I'm complaining about though, I see so much moderator bias on the forums it's unreal.
Ahahahaha. Maybe the threads were locked down because they were full of hormonal, pubescent nerds whining about fairness in this bleak and deadly internets spaceships game.
FYI being on the CSM doesn't entitle one to any special treatment. I'm playing by the rules here sonny.
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Ion Destruction
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Posted - 2009.07.23 13:40:00 -
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Not supported, Lark is doing exactly what I voted him in for. |
Dav Varan
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Posted - 2009.07.23 14:15:00 -
[69]
Not supported and I wish I'd thought of touting AT places :(
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Pater Peccavi
Cadre Assault Force
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Posted - 2009.07.23 14:16:00 -
[70]
Originally by: 5pinDizzy Supported, because now the floodgate has been opened, the applications for the next alliance tournament is going to be a total farce.
If entry to the AT continues to be random draw, then supported for this reason.
However, I'd prefer all alliances that want in getting in, and then having a series of early qualifier rounds to knock down the numbers to 64. |
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Ankhesentapemkah
Aliastra
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Posted - 2009.07.23 15:56:00 -
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I don't support the reselling of AT slots. |
Herschel Yamamoto
Agent-Orange
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Posted - 2009.07.23 18:57:00 -
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Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah I don't support the reselling of AT slots.
Then don't buy them? |
wolfhound490
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.07.23 21:23:00 -
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Originally by: Armoured C ...words...
I voted for Larkonis, and I fully support his efforts as a CSM. As a CSM he represents my veiws and the veiws of many pirates. Many of you have missed the point that ISK makes the universe go around. This is the very nature of the game we play, people will doing anything to make a quick Bill. I don't see how many of you wouldn't do the same. You talk about honour, responsibility, sportsmanship. In a game where scamming is rampant, ganging up to outnumber your foe is almost encouraged, most people are looking to shaft the other guy to make some ISK. |
Armoured C
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2009.07.23 23:08:00 -
[74]
Originally by: wolfhound490
Originally by: Armoured C ...words...
I voted for Larkonis, and I fully support his efforts as a CSM. As a CSM he represents my veiws and the veiws of many pirates. Many of you have missed the point that ISK makes the universe go around. This is the very nature of the game we play, people will doing anything to make a quick Bill. I don't see how many of you wouldn't do the same. You talk about honour, responsibility, sportsmanship. In a game where scamming is rampant, ganging up to outnumber your foe is almost encouraged, most people are looking to shaft the other guy to make some ISK.
What about next year and the year after, when more and more non pvp entities enter the tournament to sell off the positions. Alliances will grow bored and so will audiences since the people signing up are not there to fight. Are you so narrow sighted to see where this is going and what it could ruin. Yes eve is about scamming and isk but id rather we have a tourney of fighters as that is what it is there for. This is the only place for honourable fights to the death, where eve stands still and doesn't become her self.
For those that want to save the tourney and can see further that 3 inches in front of them support this notion |
Herschel Yamamoto
Agent-Orange
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Posted - 2009.07.24 00:34:00 -
[75]
Originally by: Armoured C What about next year and the year after, when more and more non pvp entities enter the tournament to sell off the positions. Alliances will grow bored and so will audiences since the people signing up are not there to fight. Are you so narrow sighted to see where this is going and what it could ruin. Yes eve is about scamming and isk but id rather we have a tourney of fighters as that is what it is there for. This is the only place for honourable fights to the death, where eve stands still and doesn't become her self.
For those that want to save the tourney and can see further that 3 inches in front of them support this notion
Please. How many buyers do you think that there really are? And really, if someone is willing to pay several billion over and above the normal entry fee for a spot, do you really think they're not going to use that spot? The alliance name might not be one full of PvPers, but the players fighting will be. I cannot imagine any circumstances where a glut of non-combat players will threaten the competition. |
Epegi Givo
Amarr Ministry of War
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Posted - 2009.07.24 03:04:00 -
[76]
I see nothing wrong with what lark is doing. |
EdwardNardella
Capital Construction Research Pioneer Alliance
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Posted - 2009.07.24 03:44:00 -
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Edited by: EdwardNardella on 24/07/2009 03:44:30 Supported.
On a side note current tourney should be unaffected and lark should scam the auction winner. If he is good he could probably get two or maybe three bidders to pay!
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FU22
Empire Assault Corp Dead Terrorists
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Posted - 2009.07.24 13:35:00 -
[78]
Thread is pointless as CCP Claw has already said that next time around the rules will be getting reviewed so i'm expecting the changes to come anyway.
Not supported as people have said, your just jealous that he thought of it and you didn't
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Quince Dupree
Gallente H A V O C
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Posted - 2009.07.24 14:14:00 -
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I think all Players should be able to join the tourny. If not luck of the draw whay not a fat wallet.
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Razel Krieg
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Posted - 2009.08.04 18:14:00 -
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Edited by: Razel Krieg on 04/08/2009 18:14:20 Not supported. Partly because Lark is my CEO, but mostly because if CCP thought that it was against the rules, they would have let Lark know, locked the sales thread and put a quick stop to it all.
And to whomever said that Lark should be forced to resign his position as CSM: Go chew on a knife. Lark is working to fix projectiles. This reason alone warrants his position as CSM.
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Larkonis Trassler
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Posted - 2009.08.07 02:17:00 -
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Trolled
As stated in the above thread this was my way of cutting down on the practice. While I don't agree with it as such, I won't raise a hand to stop it from happening. Why? It's going to be extremely hard to regulate, if it's not allowed to be public then it will just be forced underground. Please resize your signature to the maximum file size of 24000 bytes. Zymurgist |
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