The spanish is one of the most talked languages in the world, and I think to myself, Why EVE online, who has a very large spanish comunity, isn't translated to spanish?

The spanish is one of the most talked languages in the world, and I think to myself, Why EVE online, who has a very large spanish comunity, isn't translated to spanish?

i've never heard of this "large spanish community" till now.

a 50-man corp does not equate large community

It would need the inclusion of a sombrero in the NEX store.

for those actually able to afford/use a computer.

In the time it took you to write that troll, your country lost 10,000 IT jobs to India. :P

Please name at least one hundred thousand individual Spanish EVE players, otherwise you don't have a 'Very Large' community.

Please name at least one hundred thousand individual in any language EVE players, otherwise you don't have a 'Very Large' community.

My ITT business is booming so until my contracts drop me for someone that barely speaks english, which is why they rather deal with me, im not worried, and could careless about major companys that only care about their P/L statements. Actually, that increases my business.

I don't think you have a single contract, let alone a business. And it's "care less", not "careless"... says the guy who can barely speak English :P

nXo --> spanish corporation, more than 100 members
Tormentum insomniae --> spanish corporation, more than 200 members.

Look in my corp description!.

Umadbro?

Speaking and typing are two different actions, i suggest you learn the difference.

tbh english client should be removed and replaced with spanish client (english is terrible)

Unfortunately ...this game is in US language only.

Mad? U wish... troll :P Did you got your FCAT exam yet?

Did you got?

Sounds like your still practicing for your FCAT.

Never took them. But from what I heard about the public education system, you are better off skipping the whole thing. And with the college loan bubble, you might skip that as well....but talking about the education system, it's Wednesday, early dismissal... gotta go pick up some cargo... later amigo.

Why would i need to further my education when im already successful? Best wishes to both you and you little one, err cargo.

It must remain English


English

England
America
Canada
Australia
New Zealand
Western Europe (second language)


Spanish

Spain
Florida
Cali
Texas
Nevada
New Mexico

Mexico (Gods blind spot)
Someother backwards countries who breed a lot and cannot afford shoes let alone computers

Spanish speaker people prefer play in english, and they are not interested in EVE Online CLIENT in spanish.

Same question for the french community!

"Warping to stargate"... how you translate that?

"Warpeando a la gatera"

It must remain English


English

England
America
Canada
Australia
New Zealand
Western Europe (second language)


Spanish

Spain

Mexico (Gods blind spot)
Someother backwards countries who breed a lot and cannot afford shoes let alone computers

While this wouldn't be a bad idea or anything... if you can already speak English, what's the problem? This is an Icelandic game that heavily supports the English language.

If a Puerto Rican game came out, in Spanish only, I'm not going to go to their forums and demand the developers translate their entire game for me. It'd be nice, but what's the entitlement about?

"Warpeando a la gatera"

Perhaps I can enlighten you all with this song.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xyp7xt-ygy0&list=FLWAVCGsyDP1eXxAenraZ-KA&index=2&feature=plpp_video

This is why I don't want to deal with Spanish in Eve Online. You say one thing and people will interpret it as another.

Imagine:

Oye! Yo quiero un vanilla!

In some parts of Latin America, "vanilla" (pronounced vah-nee-yah) means the flavor "vanilla". However, in Argentina, vanilla means "vagina". The same goes with "concha" (kon-chah) which in some parts means sea shell but in other parts means "vagina" or "*****".

And this is just a sample of it all. Watch the video to learn the rest. Enjoy.

I lol'd...that is straight out of a border town pronunciation....otherwise known as Spanglish.

Why cant spanish people learn english instead? Not that im against a spanish translation for those actually able to afford/use a computer.

While this wouldn't be a bad idea or anything... if you can already speak English, what's the problem? This is an Icelandic game that heavily supports the English language.

If a Puerto Rican game came out, in Spanish only, I'm not going to go to their forums and demand the developers translate their entire game for me. It'd be nice, but what's the entitlement about?

Dos cervezas por favor.

If CCP were serious into bringing in more players they need to do what other companies have already figured out.

It must remain English


Spanish

Spain

Mexico (Gods blind spot)
Someother backwards countries who breed a lot and cannot afford shoes let alone computers

Why cant spanish people learn english instead? Not that im against a spanish translation for those actually able to afford/use a computer.

You have the best post in this thread.

The day EVE has a Spanish client is the day FROM MY COLD DEAD HANDS

It must remain English


English

England
America
Canada
Australia
New Zealand
Western Europe (second language)


Spanish

Spain

Mexico (Gods blind spot)
Someother backwards countries who breed a lot and cannot afford shoes let alone computers

Why would i need to further my education when im already successful? Best wishes to both you and you little one, err cargo.

The spanish is one of the most talked languages in the world, and I think to myself, Why EVE online, who has a very large spanish comunity, isn't translated to spanish?

Because it is the second most spoken language in the world, thats a fact. Its a matter of time, CCP will translate to spanish for latin american & spanish players. Dont forget that there are 500 million spanish speakers in the world. Thats money :)

Wow, glad I saw this thread. I almost forgot to leave a check under the welcome mat for the lawn service.

EVE's Spanish community almost doesn't exist. Trust me I looked for it.

You didn't looked hard enough.

Name one relevant group composed of mostly spanish speakers.

It depends of what "relevant" means for you. Kill board stats? Member count? 0.0 presence? Outpost count? Tell me what's your minimum requirements for "relevant" status and I'll dig around to see what I can find.

a large group capable of influencing EVE as a whole.

I can name 1 portuguese-speaking and 0 spanish-speaking examples. there are no significant spanish speaking communities in EVE.

Name your Portuguese example so we could get some actual numbers of what "relevant" means for you or what a "large group" is.

Specially as Spaniards are not very English savvy

Vera Cruz

Vera Cruz

Are you saying that all of Vera Cruz is Portuguese? Last time I check Hispania Armored Forces (Vera Cruz Member) was Hispanic... and 35. Division (Vera Cruz Member) was ???? (Dutch?/German?). I haven't check recently, there might be others.

However, going by the Vera Cruz example... 14 outposts, 34 systems, 1122 members, #16 on alliance ranking (dotlan). Does that mean that everything below that mark is "irrelevant".

Ethereal Down - Irrelevant?

Persona Non Gratis - Irrelevant?

Ev0ke - Irrelevant?

AAA Citizens - .. ok, I'll give you that one

They are primarily Brazilian, just like TEST (which has a much more diverse population) is primarily American.

When you go to the Alliance Level, you can't have an alliance based on *one* country and be successful. Somebody needs to be online when the other people go to sleep. I'm pretty sure there's a good share of non-Americans in TEST. You wouldn't have 28 outposts and 90 systems playing on only 4 time zones.

When you go to the Alliance Level, you can't have an alliance based on *one* country and be successful. Somebody needs to be online when the other people go to sleep. I'm pretty sure there's a good share of non-Americans in TEST. You wouldn't have 28 outposts and 90 systems playing on only 4 time zones.

Ev0ke - Irrelevant?

Every alliance in EVE has one time zone they are far more active in. A big part of sov warfare is ensuring timers are as inconvenient as possible (or convenient, if the goal is fights and not conquering space) for your opponent.

And how do you measure the effectiveness of an Alliance?

I'll tell you how I do it. Let's take a look at Solar Fleet... 97 outposts held with 1432 members. That's 14 members per outpost... that's darn effective. Compare that to Solar Citizens...23 outposts, 4568 members. That's 198 members per outpost. Big difference. Still, both are around the top 10 alliances.

If I find a Spanish Speaking corp or alliance that has a similar members/outpost ratio as the one in the top ten, would you recognize that as relevant?

There are so many more factors than just people and outposts. In fact too many outposts is a very bad thing. Quality of space, infrastructure present, member activity, war history, organization of alliance-level events, out-of-game organization, espionage, etc are all relevant to an alliance's effectiveness. You can own tons of space and be pretty damn irrelevant if its worthless space and you never do anything.

Really?

Lose the incredibly inaccurate generalizations, irrelevant forum alt.

What Galaxy Drones & Jack Dant said... I would not use it either. I probably won't even understand it. It would be like trying to watch a translated Star Trek episode.

"Warping to stargate"... how you translate that?

Warp - verb - "Become or cause to become bent or twisted out of shape, typically as a result of the effects of heat or dampness."

hum... let's try:

Option 1) "Doblandose hacia la puerta estelar"
Option 2) "Saliendo de forma contra la entrada de las estrellas"
Option 3) "Colandose por el sistema solar"

Bah, I give up, there's no way.

-+Tan dificil es decir "saltando hacia la puerta estelar" que es lo que siempre se ha dicho?

I agree with most of my fellow spaniards; I prefer the eve client to remain in english because most of the time, sci-fi translations are awkward, or just plain bad.

Why cant spanish people learn english instead? Not that im against a spanish translation for those actually able to afford/use a computer.

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What would be the word for "jump," then?

The same, it is just that in spanish we always said that way, there is no need for literal translation.

There is no straight translation of "warping" as the action of using a warp kind of FTL in spanish. We just use "saltar a" or "Activar el motor de curvatura para saltar a la puerta estelar" if you want to be precise with the device you are using to jump.

But no shortcuts for us. We can't create a new verb just adding -ing after the word. At least not "officially"

spanish and english fight back and forth for 2nd place constantly.

Most games are translated to spanish, text and voice:

Skyrim, Fallout 3 and NV, Shogun Total War 2, etc, i don't imagine why EvE online can't be translated to spanish.

It must remain English


English

England
America
Canada
Australia
New Zealand
Western Europe (second language)


Spanish

Spain

Mexico (Gods blind spot)
Someother backwards countries who breed a lot and cannot afford shoes let alone computers

It must remain English


English

England
America
Canada
Australia
New Zealand
Western Europe (second language)


Spanish

Spain

Mexico (Gods blind spot)
Someother backwards countries who breed a lot and cannot afford shoes let alone computers

So... to sum it all up. It doesn't matter how many Spanish speakers I can find in game, you will always say we are "irrelevant". Japanese is OK, they can have their Japanese client. I guess there must be some Japan based alliance who is "relevant" and I haven't heard of.

Its the fact that the community is abnormally small.

Plenty of communities that are small IRL have large representations in EVE. Hispanic communities don't.

You also may be surprised to learn that I'm half Latino and spent one third of my life living in various countries in South America.

Its the fact that the community is abnormally small.

Plenty of communities that are small IRL have large representations in EVE. Hispanic communities don't.

You also may be surprised to learn that I'm half Latino and spent one third of my life living in various countries in South America.

Also, your average latino has much better english than your average american speaks has any foreign language. There really isn't much need for localization. In fact, most latino gamers I know refuse to play on localized clients, because translations tend to be ****.

Now you try the Zimmerman approach "I'm not racist because I'm Latino too"... meh If you don't want Hispanics to have their client that's your choice. But don't come here saying that there are more Japanese players than Hispanics players. That's just pure BS. We exist, we are here and we are quite a few. Do not belittle us.... expect us.

In the time it took you to write that troll, your country lost 10,000 IT jobs to India. :P

Sad but true.


BTW it's Mandarin, English, Hindustani, and then spanish. If anyone was curious.

Hindi has fewer speakers than Spanish - by a massive margin on a native language basis, and by ~10 million total.

Still, this discussion is sterile.

I expect CCP has precise information regarding the number of accounts created by country.

And I also expect that the number of Spanish accounts, plus the number of accounts from other Spanish-speaking countries do not amount for the necessary income to justify the Spanish game client.

Perhaps Dust would change that? The FPS genre has always been extremely popular in Spain, and perhaps it will trigger some curiosity towards CCP's intellectual property.

Still, your average Call of Duty player is used to translated and dubbed games and might not react adequately to a client in English, German and Russian.

Yo creo que si CCP nos lo preguntase amablemente podiramos ayudar con la traduccion.

holy conjugation batman

You're one dumb ************, aren't you.

Calling my stance racist now? Jesus H Christ this is pointless.

Calling my stance racist now? Jesus H Christ this is pointless.

Only - only - if they get their own server. Localized clients by default allows people who don't speak English to play the game; how do you expect these people to get along with the rest of the English-speaking international community that is EVE?

I don't want to be ransomed by legendary space pirate El Pollo Loco who doesn't speak English!

Jokes aside, separating and diving the player-base over localized clients is never a good idea.

Only - only - if they get their own server. Localized clients by default allows people who don't speak English to play the game; how do you expect these people to get along with the rest of the English-speaking international community that is EVE?

I don't want to be ransomed by legendary space pirate El Pollo Loco who doesn't speak English!

Jokes aside, separating and diving the player-base over localized clients is never a good idea.

You haven't been on Russian space haven't you?

Again, the same thing all over again... there are already multiple localized clients... russian, german, japanese... are you saying those were not a good idea? They are already there... nothing has broke because of it.

As I said, I don't care about a spanish client since I can manage myself quite well in english, but at least 2 friends of mine tried the game and left because it was in english.

Blame their lazyness or our schools but the fact is they would be playing if the game was translated to spanish.

PS: BTW... any pirate called El Pollo Loco must be flying a Zealot.

Yup I call you racist. Spanish Localization does not affect you or your game play, yet here you are advocating against it, spreading lies about the Hispanic population out of hatred and racism.

How many Hispanic players exist in game? Or more importantly... how many Hispanics *TRIED* the game and didn't subscribe because the lack of a Spanish Client? You don't know. Only CCP knows. You can only guess. You can say you don't know any. I'm telling you I know quite a few.

And again, the questions you keep evading... how many Japanese alliances you know? Yet there's a client for it. So, what's your problem?

And BTW... about Vera Cruz... the alliance influence map is wrong (here). If you were praising them because you thought they had the key to your ano (No joke, Test Alliance's back door entrance is a system called Y-2ANO), please check the ingame map because Vera Cruz doesn't hold that system, 99 Percent does.

This isn't merely about localizing the client. CCP would have to hire several Spanish-speaking GMs and community staff. They'd have to create Spanish forum sections and otherwise spend a substantial amount of time and money - this isn't something that can be done overnight. I also doubt that they'd want to promise anything because, well, CCP has a history with promises.

It absolutely affects my game play. You know why? Because it costs money and time, resources best spent improving the game. Good localization is not cheap.

This isn't merely about localizing the client. CCP would have to hire several Spanish-speaking GMs and community staff. They'd have to create Spanish forum sections and otherwise spend a substantial amount of time and money - this isn't something that can be done overnight. I also doubt that they'd want to promise anything because, well, CCP has a history with promises.

* What's the salary per hour of an English to Spanish translator? You don't know.

* How much text are we talking about (words, pages)? You don't know.

* How much text per hour can a person translate? You don't know.

You know nothing sir... you know nothing about nothing.

Now, let me enlighten you. I have work doing translations from English to Spanish for years (5 years on ATT alone). The average salary is around $10 dollars an hour. Most of the work is done using an automatic translator software (one click). The translator (the human person) then sits with both texts and reads side by side, making a few corrections here and there. A whole stack of cellphone manuals can be translated in a few days with time to spare.

PS: ...and after all, what "improvements" are you talking about? The unified inventory?

I disagree on the time and money thing because I've seen first hand how this is handled in corporate america. You don't hire a "Spanish only" customer rep. You hire a "bilingual" customer rep that can speak both English and Spanish. When there's a Spanish client on the Spanish queue, the bilingual guy gets it. When the Spanish queue is empty, he works on the English queue. Does he gets more salary? Maybe .25 cents an hour. I live in Florida, trust me, I know this.

Shameless, you do your cause no good by waving the "Racist Card" around like a sword.
Just saying.

Bla bla bla

Just because you had a minimum wage desk jockey job monitoring an automated translation of a cell phone manual...

Funny, my roommate worked ....

Why cant spanish people learn english instead? Not that im against a spanish translation for those actually able to afford/use a computer.

More trolling

* Miami, lol...
* Your imaginary MMO Developer Roommate... more lol
* Your guesstimates about translation projects... epic lol

I bet you I can translate the whole damn thing in tree weeks with a team of 3 people. I'll even do it for free, just to prove you wrong. In fact... where's the file?

*click click*
c:\Program Files\x86\CCP\EVE\Launcher\es.pak ... nah, that's not it.
c:\Program Files\x86\CCP\EVE\Launcher\es-419.pak ... nah, that's not it either

Meh, it must be compiled inside the .stuff files. Still... you are just guessing. The way you say "MMO" like "OMG, It's an MMO, it must be so freaking difficult"... meh. Do you drool when the TV show those late night adds about becoming a game developer?

Asking was stoking his own obfuscation and was released a few irrepressible desire to rant like an outsider and finally allowed a moment of rebellion, the moment many times desired and often get deferred resignation for the foundation and **** once and removed all the infinite heart montodes of profanity that he had to choke in a century of conformity.

Your average Japanese person has a much, much poorer grasp of European languages than your average Spanish speaker. The language gap is massive in that case, and a localized client is almost necessary.

You're proving my point :P

Also, lol. I can't help it, when confronted by stupid, i have to fix it.

I didn't.

Google Translate did.

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There will be a Spanish localization, but the translation process won't start very soon. There will be at least 6 months before the translation team will start working on the Spanish version.
The good news is that we're now working with a very good, professional translation company and the people working on future localizations (French, Spanish and Portuguese/Brazilian so far) are also receiving EVE training, so hopefully there will be a lot less issues with improper translation.
Of course, feedback from the player base is welcome once we'll release these localized versions of EVE, so stay tuned.

Wait, did you just call Cien a+¦os de Soledad archaic spanish???

Wait, did you just call Cien a+¦os de Soledad archaic spanish???

Five years ago, CCP considered Spanish worthy enough to make a Client. They have the data, you don't.

in 2007, they promised a Spanish client
Five years have passed
There is no Spanish client
They have the data

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You want to avoid the relevant questions and watch me troll Gabriel Garcia Marquez? Dude, the guy was born in 1927. A proper translation of his work would have words like "thou", "fullsome" and "henceforth".

But the point was... Spanish to English is way more difficult than English to Spanish. Spanish has more words and Spanish words sometimes have multiple meanings. Lets see an example:

Spanish to English
Spanish: "Lo mande al carajo"
English: "I sent him to the crow's nest"

As you can see, the translation might or might not be correct. Now, the same thing from English to Spanish:

English to Spanish
English: "I sent him to the crow's nest"
Spanish: "Lo mande al carajo"

On this case, translation is 100% correct. English to Spanish, easy.

bla bla bla
you're starting to understand why translating is not a job for computers with some monkey doing error control.

You want to avoid the relevant questions and watch me troll Gabriel Garcia Marquez? Dude, the guy was born in 1927. A proper translation of his work would have words like "thou", "fullsome" and "henceforth".

But the point was... Spanish to English is way more difficult than English to Spanish. Spanish has more words and Spanish words sometimes have multiple meanings. Lets see an example:

Spanish to English
Spanish: "Lo mande al carajo"
English: "I sent him to the crow's nest"

As you can see, the translation might or might not be correct. Now, the same thing from English to Spanish:

English to Spanish
English: "I sent him to the crow's nest"
Spanish: "Lo mande al carajo"

On this case, translation is 100% correct. English to Spanish, easy.

Crow's nest = cofa, puesto de vig+¡a (en una embarcaci+¦n)

La proxima vez voten por Riverini o un CSM hispano que haga presion. A Spanish Client is Obligatory, the south America Mass prefer 100% spanish games. Eve don-¦t grow in this regions because this a big problem for us. South America have 150+ millions of internauts, but only a little fraction play EVE. The language is a great barrier to get better numbers, CCP is losing a lot of Money here. Thi is a Fact: SPANISH PEOPLE DONT LIKE PLAY ENGLISH CLIENTS.

Creeme, no quieres que Riverini te represente.

Is "represente", not "representa".

depends on dialect, boludo de mierda.

see above, incompetent fool.

seriously, crows nest?

Manuel! Too much burro on those trays.

No senor, uno, dos, tres

English is the universal language, and we are all in the some sandbox. I don't think they should do any translation at all (including the russian, etc, it should all be in english).

La proxima vez voten por Riverini o un CSM hispano que haga presion. A Spanish Client is Obligatory, the south America Mass prefer 100% spanish games. Eve don-¦t grow in this regions because this a big problem for us. South America have 150+ millions of internauts, but only a little fraction play EVE. The language is a great barrier to get better numbers, CCP is losing a lot of Money here. Thi is a Fact: SPANISH PEOPLE DONT LIKE PLAY ENGLISH CLIENTS.

actually thats not true. i've played plenty of games with native japanese speakers. they learn english as their second language and are quite good at it. way better then most in latin countries who dont have to learn english as a second language.

The German client presumably only serves for people in Germany, Austria and part of Switzerland.