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CCP Guard
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2012.05.23 13:53:00 -
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The Alliance Tournament draws closer and the random draw results are in! Please read CCP Navigator's new dev blog on the matter and watch the video of the random draw right here. CCP Guard | EVE Community Developer |-á@ccp_guard |
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CCP Navigator
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2012.05.23 14:16:00 -
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Karl Planck wrote:were is PL indeed?
also, RvB? Is this one alliance now or is an exemption to include both parties?
Pandemic Legion were not successfully drawn from the hat for the random draw but, like many others, they can gain access through the auction letr this week.
Red Federation and Blue Republic share a common CEO so they are unable to field separate teams as per our new rule of no B or C teams. RvB will remain a single entity for this tournament and this fits with their theme of running 'Purple' during war situations.
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CCP Navigator
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2012.05.23 14:20:00 -
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Spartan dax wrote:They weren't in the helmet. Oh right, we don't know that because we don't know who was in the helmet, how many was in the helmet and we don't know who was left in the helmet after the draw.
Maybe FIFA could have done a worse draw procedure but I doubt it.
You didn't know who was in the helmet last year and yet I don't remember you complaining. Interesting.
The draw was monitored by the Alliance Tournament team and every team who applied and were eligible were in the hat.
CCP Navigator -Community Manager |
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CCP Navigator
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2012.05.23 14:21:00 -
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Akrasjel Lanate wrote:How many alliances did you had to take part in the random draw in total ?
77.
CCP Navigator -Community Manager |
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CCP Navigator
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2012.05.23 14:23:00 -
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Professor Clio wrote:RvB would like a clarification regarding our status, when Red Federation was drawn you indicated that we would only be represented by a single alliance but we plan on entering both Red and Blue, we asked and got the situation cleared when the rules regarding B teams came out. Here is the relevant post by CCP Loxy : https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1233498#post1233498As of this moment we plan on bidding for a spot with Blue Republic.
CCP Loxy is in the process of discussing this with the CEO of both RvB corporations. Once those discussions are complete we will update accordingly.
CCP Navigator -Community Manager |
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CCP Loxy
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2012.05.23 14:24:00 -
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Professor Clio wrote:RvB would like a clarification regarding our status, when Red Federation was drawn you indicated that we would only be represented by a single alliance but we plan on entering both Red and Blue, we asked and got the situation cleared when the rules regarding B teams came out. Here is the relevant post by CCP Loxy : https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1233498#post1233498As of this moment we plan on bidding for a spot with Blue Republic.
We have mailed your executor explaining the situation and apologize again publicly for having to reverse the decision. It's best if your executor shares the email with you rather then us posting here. Video Producer |
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CCP Soundwave
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2012.05.23 14:54:00 -
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EvilweaselSA wrote:CCP Navigator wrote:Spartan dax wrote:They weren't in the helmet. Oh right, we don't know that because we don't know who was in the helmet, how many was in the helmet and we don't know who was left in the helmet after the draw.
Maybe FIFA could have done a worse draw procedure but I doubt it. You didn't know who was in the helmet last year and yet I don't remember you complaining. Interesting. The draw was monitored by the Alliance Tournament team and every team who applied and were eligible were in the hat. could you confirm goonswarm was actually in the hat and mittens didn't send 20 plex to the wrong alliance again
Confirmed. Plexes sent correctly. |
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CCP Navigator
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2012.05.23 15:00:00 -
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EvilweaselSA wrote:CCP Navigator wrote:Spartan dax wrote:They weren't in the helmet. Oh right, we don't know that because we don't know who was in the helmet, how many was in the helmet and we don't know who was left in the helmet after the draw.
Maybe FIFA could have done a worse draw procedure but I doubt it. You didn't know who was in the helmet last year and yet I don't remember you complaining. Interesting. The draw was monitored by the Alliance Tournament team and every team who applied and were eligible were in the hat. could you confirm goonswarm was actually in the hat and mittens didn't send 20 plex to the wrong alliance again
Goonswarm were in the hat and applied correctly.
CCP Navigator -Community Manager |
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CCP Sreegs
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2012.05.23 15:28:00 -
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Kaeda Maxwell wrote:CCP Navigator wrote: Red Federation and Blue Republic share a common CEO so they are unable to field separate teams as per our new rule of no B or C teams. RvB will remain a single entity for this tournament and this fits with their theme of running 'Purple' during war situations.
From the rules; 3. All competing pilots must have been members of the alliance for which they are competing, and be a member of that Alliance by downtime on May, 05, 2012. 4. All alliance members are eligible to compete in any match in which their alliance is taking part, subject to all applicable rules; teams do not have to remain the same between games. In relation to rule 3; Can you please confirm that this applies the same to RvB as it does to everybody else? What I mean is that somebody that switched from Red to Blue or vice versa after this date is not eligible to compete. And in relation to rule 4; That any one team fielded by RvB during any one match 'under the Purple flag' during the alliance tournament will consist exclusively of either only Blue or Red pilots? I'm bringing this up because since all other players in other Alliances are subject to these rules and making an exception for RvB would reek quite heavily of favouritism from CCP.
They are being viewed as a single entity but those rules were in effect prior so should remain and not effect their team compositions as they have the exact same eligible pilot pool to choose from.
The matches may consist of red or blue pilots and we're working out the details.
I would love an explanation of the favoritism charge because were that the case we'd have just let them compete as two separate teams. "Sreegs has juuust edged out Soundwave as my favourite dev." - Meita Way 2012 |
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CCP Sreegs
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2012.05.23 15:29:00 -
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Charles37 wrote:This draw was obviously rigged, unfair, and stacked. I know this because [my favorite alliance] didn't get drawn from the hat while noname nobody alliance [insert alliance] was picked and because [insert alliance I hate] is in cahoots with CCP. Because of this egregious miscarriage of justice I will now [cry/tweet angrily/scam people in Jita/make a Threadnaught].
It was fun watching the video, although you probably should have also posted an extended version where you show that all the names actually got into the hat.
Anyways though, looking forward to the tournament!
We're not going to cater to the ridiculous. All of the names went into the hat and that's how it is and all we have to say on the subject. "Sreegs has juuust edged out Soundwave as my favourite dev." - Meita Way 2012 |
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CCP Sreegs
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2012.05.23 15:42:00 -
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Charles37 wrote:CCP Sreegs wrote:Charles37 wrote:This draw was obviously rigged, unfair, and stacked. I know this because [my favorite alliance] didn't get drawn from the hat while noname nobody alliance [insert alliance] was picked and because [insert alliance I hate] is in cahoots with CCP. Because of this egregious miscarriage of justice I will now [cry/tweet angrily/scam people in Jita/make a Threadnaught].
It was fun watching the video, although you probably should have also posted an extended version where you show that all the names actually got into the hat.
Anyways though, looking forward to the tournament! We're not going to cater to the ridiculous. All of the names went into the hat and that's how it is and all we have to say on the subject. Perhaps I phrased my post poorly, but it was intended to be humorous, not to actually make an accusation of bias or rigging the draw. I suggested the extended video showing names going into the hat because it would not have been difficult and would have firmly put to rest any suspicious of interference by CCP in what is a big event for many pilots.
Sorry didn't mean to appear to take offense and I understand your perspective but I really don't see the value in increasing our efforts and work simply to appease the tinfoil hat crowd. "Sreegs has juuust edged out Soundwave as my favourite dev." - Meita Way 2012 |
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CCP Sreegs
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2012.05.23 15:57:00 -
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Kaeda Maxwell wrote:CCP Sreegs wrote:Kaeda Maxwell wrote:CCP Navigator wrote: Red Federation and Blue Republic share a common CEO so they are unable to field separate teams as per our new rule of no B or C teams. RvB will remain a single entity for this tournament and this fits with their theme of running 'Purple' during war situations.
From the rules; 3. All competing pilots must have been members of the alliance for which they are competing, and be a member of that Alliance by downtime on May, 05, 2012. 4. All alliance members are eligible to compete in any match in which their alliance is taking part, subject to all applicable rules; teams do not have to remain the same between games. In relation to rule 3; Can you please confirm that this applies the same to RvB as it does to everybody else? What I mean is that somebody that switched from Red to Blue or vice versa after this date is not eligible to compete. And in relation to rule 4; That any one team fielded by RvB during any one match 'under the Purple flag' during the alliance tournament will consist exclusively of either only Blue or Red pilots? I'm bringing this up because since all other players in other Alliances are subject to these rules and making an exception for RvB would reek quite heavily of favouritism from CCP. I would love an explanation of the favoritism charge because were that the case we'd have just let them compete as two separate teams. That quite simply while you may view them as one entity they are not so in game they are two separate alliances, if you allow somebody that switched between them to compete, then why would you not allow somebody that switched from say the Goons to TEST after that date to compete or from Outbreak to Hydra? Right now it looks like you are trying to facilitate the rules around RvB's command structure in order to make sure they don't break rule number 5. It seems to me that RvB's command structure is the problem of RvB and not of the rules which should be universal and apply to everybody equally in a competitive environment. Why exactly is it that RvB could not simply either enter Red or Blue and get the pilots they want to fly in the AT into the correct alliance before May 5th. Had they done this then neither rule 3 or 4 would have needed 'bending' and rule 5 wouldn't have been relevant at all. Now it looks suspiciously much like CCP is trying to cater to RvB's specific needs while there should have been no need for that all.
The May 5th rule still applies we're just viewing them both as a single entity? Even if they switched internally the May 5th rule still applies.
:edit: Alliance switching is alliance switching. RvB is a unique case when compared to some others because they've been allowed to compete separately and did so fairly in the past unlike many many others. We're forcing them to compete as a single entity under the same rules as everyone else and that seems quite fair to me. We wouldn't have that problem in many other cases because the rule exists to combat entities which exist for the sole purpose of having multiple shots at the tournament. In this case we prevented that from happening by combining them as one for the purpose of entry from our perspective. "Sreegs has juuust edged out Soundwave as my favourite dev." - Meita Way 2012 |
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CCP Sreegs
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2012.05.23 16:08:00 -
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Kaeda Maxwell wrote:CCP Sreegs wrote:Kaeda Maxwell wrote:CCP Sreegs wrote:Kaeda Maxwell wrote:CCP Navigator wrote: Red Federation and Blue Republic share a common CEO so they are unable to field separate teams as per our new rule of no B or C teams. RvB will remain a single entity for this tournament and this fits with their theme of running 'Purple' during war situations.
From the rules; 3. All competing pilots must have been members of the alliance for which they are competing, and be a member of that Alliance by downtime on May, 05, 2012. 4. All alliance members are eligible to compete in any match in which their alliance is taking part, subject to all applicable rules; teams do not have to remain the same between games. In relation to rule 3; Can you please confirm that this applies the same to RvB as it does to everybody else? What I mean is that somebody that switched from Red to Blue or vice versa after this date is not eligible to compete. And in relation to rule 4; That any one team fielded by RvB during any one match 'under the Purple flag' during the alliance tournament will consist exclusively of either only Blue or Red pilots? I'm bringing this up because since all other players in other Alliances are subject to these rules and making an exception for RvB would reek quite heavily of favouritism from CCP. I would love an explanation of the favoritism charge because were that the case we'd have just let them compete as two separate teams. That quite simply while you may view them as one entity they are not so in game they are two separate alliances, if you allow somebody that switched between them to compete, then why would you not allow somebody that switched from say the Goons to TEST after that date to compete or from Outbreak to Hydra? Right now it looks like you are trying to facilitate the rules around RvB's command structure in order to make sure they don't break rule number 5. It seems to me that RvB's command structure is the problem of RvB and not of the rules which should be universal and apply to everybody equally in a competitive environment. Why exactly is it that RvB could not simply either enter Red or Blue and get the pilots they want to fly in the AT into the correct alliance before May 5th. Had they done this then neither rule 3 or 4 would have needed 'bending' and rule 5 wouldn't have been relevant at all. Now it looks suspiciously much like CCP is trying to cater to RvB's specific needs while there should have been no need for that all. The May 5th rule still applies we're just viewing them both as a single entity? Even if they switched internally the May 5th rule still applies. So if you went from Red to Blue on May 6th you're not eligible to compete? Also I'd much appreciate an answer to my last paragraph, why this and not just limiting it to either entering red or blue?
Yes if you moved from red to blue on May 6th you cannot compete as would have been the case were we to allow them to compete individually so absolutely nothing has changed. I believe I've just answered that last paragraph twice but maybe I'm not the swiftest boat in the channel so could you try rephrasing it if I haven't?
:edit: Ok I might get it. The "No B-Teams" rule is new this year. That means we've had to adjust it a bit as we've worked through what a B-team is (It's not always obvious) and how we've seen the need to apply the rule. We told RVB they were ok earlier on because of their past participation, but after applying the rule in other places realized that we hadn't applied it properly to them in retrospect. In order to be fair to them this is the workaround. "Sreegs has juuust edged out Soundwave as my favourite dev." - Meita Way 2012 |
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CCP Sreegs
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2012.05.23 16:09:00 -
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Clolo wrote:CCP Navigator wrote:Akrasjel Lanate wrote:How many alliances did you had to take part in the random draw in total ? 77. Do you have to have participated in the "random draw" to be eligible to bid in the auction?
The random draw took place after the deadline for your alliance to "apply" so yes. "Sreegs has juuust edged out Soundwave as my favourite dev." - Meita Way 2012 |
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CCP Loxy
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2012.05.23 17:50:00 -
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On the case of RvB.
We acknowledge that we initially allowed an exception for the two sides of RvB to compete in the tournament as two separate teams. On further review of that decision and the b and c team rule we found that to make such an exception and exclude other teams would raise serious questions. While we respect both sides of RvB who have both fought in the tournament before we must see them as one alliance in the eyes of the tournament.
We have been in contact with the executor of both alliances and have reached a decision that will allow both sides to compete together. This decision is now final and is a special case, it will have no impact on any other judgement with the b and c team rule on other alliances.
- Both RvB - Red Federation and RvB - Blue Republic will compete as one alliance during the tournament, they will be referred to as "Red Vs Blue" in all matters related to the tournament.
- Members of both alliances will be eligible for the joint team and should stay in their own alliance.
- Members in either alliance must still have been a part of their alliance from downtime the 5th of May. Switching from one to the other will break this rule and make them ineligible.
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CCP Sreegs
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2012.05.23 19:38:00 -
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Rock UrWerld wrote:its been a wonder to me all these years why they "limit" the entries at all. Sure I know that there are hundreds of alliances that MIGHT want to participate.....why not let anyone willing to pay a LARGE entry fee get in?
Think of the process like the way UEFA does its "champions league" in football/soccer. The actual tournament that you see on EVE TV would only be 32 teams (or 24 or 16) but you can have qualifying tournaments throught the month of May to get to those final 16/24/32
Teams would enter the tournament at various rounds based on whatever factor you want..... alliance size or isk bids or ? you can put your favorite 4/8/16 teams directly into the final group stage via the "auction".
Everyone would get to play if the had the entry fee....alliances like red vs blue wouldnt have issues, Hydra Pandemic Legion and others wouldnt be mysteriously ommited by the UNSEEN "random" draw.
It would truly be an OPEN tournament that EVERY PAYING SUBSCRIBER can one day hope to be a part of.
We've already explained that the amount of work requires forces us TODAY to limit teams. To give you a bit of insight the past 2 years (and there was discussion before that) we've seriously discussed a number of scenarios for this. We simply haven't been able to find a way to handle it given how we operate today.
re: the drawing dig; You conspiracy theorists are going to have to pick an alliance we're cheating for and be consistent. It's a big drain on our time even reading this drivel and we can't be cheating for alliance A when they win or do something and alliance B when they win or do something when both of them are at odds. I hope this helps you formulate more coherent conspiracies in the future. "Sreegs has juuust edged out Soundwave as my favourite dev." - Meita Way 2012 |
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