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voidvim	Posted - 2004.09.29 01:17:00 - [1] The debate "is level 5 skills worth it" has been won by the 'it \o/ is !'. So all of us with level 5 in learning skills are now happly training advanced learning skills which will saves us a lot of time to come as well as all the time saved so far. So what will new debate be is it worth train advanced leraning skills to level 5 ? Oh and all you people in the 'it's not' camp. 'it's not' = /o\
voidvim	Posted - 2004.09.29 01:17:00 - [2] The debate "is level 5 skills worth it" has been won by the 'it \o/ is !'. So all of us with level 5 in learning skills are now happly training advanced learning skills which will saves us a lot of time to come as well as all the time saved so far. So what will new debate be is it worth train advanced leraning skills to level 5 ? Oh and all you people in the 'it's not' camp. 'it's not' = /o\
Kalki Nibiru	Posted - 2004.09.29 01:51:00 - [3] Heh, I've played for well over a year so it has already paid itself off a long time ago. I think someone said that learning at level 5 will only pay off after a few hundred days, so not only do I feel it was a good investment in time then, now that the new skills are out, I find that it has been even more valuable. Taken from the May 29th 2003 Devchat at EveGate . <Muaddid> Q: When will sentry gun and station and similar construction pods be introduced on the market? <Hellmar> we have various player owned entities already implemented. Sentry guns, power/shield generators, field repair mini-stations, mobile refineries. We are still working out the last tidbits of how they can be over taken, what is the penalty of having a sentry gun kill a n00b etc. and we have been a bit busy with plugging the holes that people have found.I would say that you'd start to see these items on the market in about 2-3 weeks, very expensive to begin with
Kalki Nibiru	Posted - 2004.09.29 01:51:00 - [4] Heh, I've played for well over a year so it has already paid itself off a long time ago. I think someone said that learning at level 5 will only pay off after a few hundred days, so not only do I feel it was a good investment in time then, now that the new skills are out, I find that it has been even more valuable. Taken from the May 29th 2003 Devchat at EveGate . <Muaddid> Q: When will sentry gun and station and similar construction pods be introduced on the market? <Hellmar> we have various player owned entities already implemented. Sentry guns, power/shield generators, field repair mini-stations, mobile refineries. We are still working out the last tidbits of how they can be over taken, what is the penalty of having a sentry gun kill a n00b etc. and we have been a bit busy with plugging the holes that people have found.I would say that you'd start to see these items on the market in about 2-3 weeks, very expensive to begin with
Tripoli	Posted - 2004.09.29 02:45:00 - [5] In another thread here I already posted how long it will take for lv 5 in all 5 advanced skills to pay off. It's over 1,300 days. I'm game. ---
Tripoli	Posted - 2004.09.29 02:45:00 - [6] In another thread here I already posted how long it will take for lv 5 in all 5 advanced skills to pay off. It's over 1,300 days. I'm game. ---
Kaladryn	Posted - 2004.09.29 10:00:00 - [7] It's not a debate, it's simple math, and a personal judgement on how long you think you will play the game. Oh and an aesthetic factor based on ones need to see five boxes and a full bar. :) Kaladryn
Kaladryn	Posted - 2004.09.29 10:00:00 - [8] It's not a debate, it's simple math, and a personal judgement on how long you think you will play the game. Oh and an aesthetic factor based on ones need to see five boxes and a full bar. :) Kaladryn
Matanga	Posted - 2004.09.29 10:47:00 - [9] Well yes and no Now that the new skills are aout is better for a person to train only the memory skill to lvl 5 then train the advanced learning for memory up to 4 and the carry on with rest (in this order Intel 5 --Adv intel 4 - Learning 5 - Percep 5...etc) So actually the "noobs" that haven't train the normal ones at lvl 5 yet,will have a much better going since they'll be able to train the normal learning skills faster than us that trained them before the adv learning came out. "ÆIn accordance with the principles of double-think it does not matter if the war is not real. For when it is, victory is not possible. The war is not meant to be won, but it is meant to be continuous.Æö George Orwell ô1984ö
Matanga	Posted - 2004.09.29 10:47:00 - [10] Well yes and no Now that the new skills are aout is better for a person to train only the memory skill to lvl 5 then train the advanced learning for memory up to 4 and the carry on with rest (in this order Intel 5 --Adv intel 4 - Learning 5 - Percep 5...etc) So actually the "noobs" that haven't train the normal ones at lvl 5 yet,will have a much better going since they'll be able to train the normal learning skills faster than us that trained them before the adv learning came out. "ÆIn accordance with the principles of double-think it does not matter if the war is not real. For when it is, victory is not possible. The war is not meant to be won, but it is meant to be continuous.Æö George Orwell ô1984ö
Rodj Blake	Posted - 2004.09.29 10:51:00 - [11] Whether or not it's worth taking the new skills up to 5 depends upon whether or not you're going to be using the affected stat. For example, even with the new Trade skills, I doubt if there are enough Charisma skills out there to justify taking the advanced charisma skill to level 5, especially considering that a lot of players will only the Trade skills to level 4. Anyone wanting to use T2 guns, on the other hand, would probably be spending enough training time to justify getting the extra point of Perception. Dolce et decorum est pro imperator mori
Rodj Blake	Posted - 2004.09.29 10:51:00 - [12] Whether or not it's worth taking the new skills up to 5 depends upon whether or not you're going to be using the affected stat. For example, even with the new Trade skills, I doubt if there are enough Charisma skills out there to justify taking the advanced charisma skill to level 5, especially considering that a lot of players will only the Trade skills to level 4. Anyone wanting to use T2 guns, on the other hand, would probably be spending enough training time to justify getting the extra point of Perception. Dolce et decorum est pro imperator mori
voidvim	Posted - 2004.09.29 16:06:00 - [13] well we can all agee that advanced learning skill are a good thing. Have high int and memory and implants for both made a lot of differnce for my training time and the 'it's not' camp seem to be pilots with high perception and willpower and did the math with their attributes.
voidvim	Posted - 2004.09.29 16:06:00 - [14] well we can all agee that advanced learning skill are a good thing. Have high int and memory and implants for both made a lot of differnce for my training time and the 'it's not' camp seem to be pilots with high perception and willpower and did the math with their attributes.
Tisti	Posted - 2004.09.29 18:46:00 - [15] Matanga thats just what I did:) Only trained Mem to lv5 and now training Eidblabla to lv4... Then on to with the other skills... So I gues all they guys that trained all the skills before are on a worser stand then the ones that waited and only trained mem to lv5
Tisti	Posted - 2004.09.29 18:46:00 - [16] Matanga thats just what I did:) Only trained Mem to lv5 and now training Eidblabla to lv4... Then on to with the other skills... So I gues all they guys that trained all the skills before are on a worser stand then the ones that waited and only trained mem to lv5
Kaladryn	Posted - 2004.09.29 21:57:00 - [17] That an intersting question, and it is what I did. My character is about 6 months old, I waited 5 months with learning skills at level4, so that I could train advanced memory (adv learning info was out when started this character) and use it to get all my learning skills to 5. I'd be interested to see how well this strategy worked, if anyone feels like working it out. :) Kaladryn
Kaladryn	Posted - 2004.09.29 21:57:00 - [18] That an intersting question, and it is what I did. My character is about 6 months old, I waited 5 months with learning skills at level4, so that I could train advanced memory (adv learning info was out when started this character) and use it to get all my learning skills to 5. I'd be interested to see how well this strategy worked, if anyone feels like working it out. :) Kaladryn
Unit 341	Posted - 2004.09.30 09:05:00 - [19] the advanced learning skills aren't all based on mem and int :p check em out
Unit 341	Posted - 2004.09.30 09:05:00 - [20] the advanced learning skills aren't all based on mem and int :p check em out
Cell Satimo	Posted - 2004.09.30 10:05:00 - [21] Originally by: Kaladryn That an intersting question, and it is what I did. My character is about 6 months old, I waited 5 months with learning skills at level4, so that I could train advanced memory (adv learning info was out when started this character) and use it to get all my learning skills to 5. I'd be interested to see how well this strategy worked, if anyone feels like working it out. :) Hey mate, sounds like a good strategy for players <6mths. The new pure strategy would be something like: Learning > 3, Memory > 3, Intell > 3 Memory > 4, Intell > 4 Memory > 5, Intell > 5 Advanced Memory > 3, Advanced Intell > 3 Advanced Memory > 4, Advanced Intell > 4 Then go back and train up all the other skills. \| Join eve-webring.com to promote your site.
Cell Satimo	Posted - 2004.09.30 10:05:00 - [22] Originally by: Kaladryn That an intersting question, and it is what I did. My character is about 6 months old, I waited 5 months with learning skills at level4, so that I could train advanced memory (adv learning info was out when started this character) and use it to get all my learning skills to 5. I'd be interested to see how well this strategy worked, if anyone feels like working it out. :) Hey mate, sounds like a good strategy for players <6mths. The new pure strategy would be something like: Learning > 3, Memory > 3, Intell > 3 Memory > 4, Intell > 4 Memory > 5, Intell > 5 Advanced Memory > 3, Advanced Intell > 3 Advanced Memory > 4, Advanced Intell > 4 Then go back and train up all the other skills. \| Join eve-webring.com to promote your site.
Toran Mehtar	Posted - 2004.09.30 10:48:00 - [23] Originally by: Cell Satimo Originally by: Kaladryn That an intersting question, and it is what I did. My character is about 6 months old, I waited 5 months with learning skills at level4, so that I could train advanced memory (adv learning info was out when started this character) and use it to get all my learning skills to 5. I'd be interested to see how well this strategy worked, if anyone feels like working it out. :) Hey mate, sounds like a good strategy for players <6mths. The new pure strategy would be something like: Learning > 3, Memory > 3, Intell > 3 Memory > 4, Intell > 4 Memory > 5, Intell > 5 Advanced Memory > 3, Advanced Intell > 3 Advanced Memory > 4, Advanced Intell > 4 Then go back and train up all the other skills. I'm on Eidetic Memory 2 and counting. Only have mem at 5 of the standard learning skills so far. I reckon I will have saved 5+ days training in total by doing it this way rather than training all to lvl 5 before training the advanced skills.
Toran Mehtar	Posted - 2004.09.30 10:48:00 - [24] Originally by: Cell Satimo Originally by: Kaladryn That an intersting question, and it is what I did. My character is about 6 months old, I waited 5 months with learning skills at level4, so that I could train advanced memory (adv learning info was out when started this character) and use it to get all my learning skills to 5. I'd be interested to see how well this strategy worked, if anyone feels like working it out. :) Hey mate, sounds like a good strategy for players <6mths. The new pure strategy would be something like: Learning > 3, Memory > 3, Intell > 3 Memory > 4, Intell > 4 Memory > 5, Intell > 5 Advanced Memory > 3, Advanced Intell > 3 Advanced Memory > 4, Advanced Intell > 4 Then go back and train up all the other skills. I'm on Eidetic Memory 2 and counting. Only have mem at 5 of the standard learning skills so far. I reckon I will have saved 5+ days training in total by doing it this way rather than training all to lvl 5 before training the advanced skills.
Weaselcrossing	Posted - 2004.10.06 02:15:00 - [25] Mwahahahaha, learning skills to lvl 5 woohoo! When I started the game that was one of my big goals, getting those skills to lvl 5. So when I had 1.5 million skill points, over a million were in Learning category I still havent gotten charisma or willpower (I started really high 20 w/no implants and lvl 3 iron will) to level 5 but ill get to it after i get the new learning skills to lvl 4
Weaselcrossing	Posted - 2004.10.06 02:15:00 - [26] Mwahahahaha, learning skills to lvl 5 woohoo! When I started the game that was one of my big goals, getting those skills to lvl 5. So when I had 1.5 million skill points, over a million were in Learning category I still havent gotten charisma or willpower (I started really high 20 w/no implants and lvl 3 iron will) to level 5 but ill get to it after i get the new learning skills to lvl 4
Pottsey	Posted - 2004.10.06 06:44:00 - [27] ôIn another thread here I already posted how long it will take for lv 5 in all 5 advanced skills to pay off. It's over 1,300 days. I'm game. ö There is another way to look at it. If you only want a limited set of skills and have them you may as well train up the level 5 adv skills then when new skills come out you want you can train them up faster then other people. Also if you after as many skill points as possible you need level 5. In both those caseÆs Level 5 adv skills pay them selfÆs back in under a year. ItÆs worth it for me as with level 5 I will get all the skills I want in 355 days ish. Leaving only new skills or minor skills to learn. There are only about 80skills in game I want to/need to use as I dont do combat so no combat skills needed e.c.t. _________________________________________________ Gallente defensive innovation comes from unexpected source.
Pottsey	Posted - 2004.10.06 06:44:00 - [28] ôIn another thread here I already posted how long it will take for lv 5 in all 5 advanced skills to pay off. It's over 1,300 days. I'm game. ö There is another way to look at it. If you only want a limited set of skills and have them you may as well train up the level 5 adv skills then when new skills come out you want you can train them up faster then other people. Also if you after as many skill points as possible you need level 5. In both those caseÆs Level 5 adv skills pay them selfÆs back in under a year. ItÆs worth it for me as with level 5 I will get all the skills I want in 355 days ish. Leaving only new skills or minor skills to learn. There are only about 80skills in game I want to/need to use as I dont do combat so no combat skills needed e.c.t. _________________________________________________ Gallente defensive innovation comes from unexpected source.
Greenwing	Posted - 2004.10.06 14:02:00 - [29] Edited by: Greenwing on 06/10/2004 14:06:33 Originally by: Cell Satimo Hey mate, sounds like a good strategy for players <6mths. The new pure strategy would be something like: Learning > 3, Memory > 3, Intell > 3 Memory > 4, Intell > 4 Memory > 5, Intell > 5 Advanced Memory > 3, Advanced Intell > 3 Advanced Memory > 4, Advanced Intell > 4 Then go back and train up all the other skills. I would recommend to : Learning > 3, Memory > 3, Intell > 3 Memory > 4, Intell > 4 Memory > 5 Advanced Memory > 3 Advanced Memory > 4 Intel > 5 Advanced Intel > 4 This way your mem is 4 points higher when you start training intel to 5, and mem is the main attribute for std. learning, thus speeding it up a lot
Greenwing	Posted - 2004.10.06 14:02:00 - [30] Edited by: Greenwing on 06/10/2004 14:06:33 Originally by: Cell Satimo Hey mate, sounds like a good strategy for players <6mths. The new pure strategy would be something like: Learning > 3, Memory > 3, Intell > 3 Memory > 4, Intell > 4 Memory > 5, Intell > 5 Advanced Memory > 3, Advanced Intell > 3 Advanced Memory > 4, Advanced Intell > 4 Then go back and train up all the other skills. I would recommend to : Learning > 3, Memory > 3, Intell > 3 Memory > 4, Intell > 4 Memory > 5 Advanced Memory > 3 Advanced Memory > 4 Intel > 5 Advanced Intel > 4 This way your mem is 4 points higher when you start training intel to 5, and mem is the main attribute for std. learning, thus speeding it up a lot

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