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Hoo Is
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Posted - 2009.07.22 14:50:00 -
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Everyone knows that the dessie is the standard Loot/Salvage ship.
My question is, could I use a Caracal as a descent salvage boat???
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Khornne
Caldari
Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2009.07.22 15:10:00 -
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 Originally by: Hoo Is
Everyone knows that the dessie is the standard Loot/Salvage ship.
My question is, could I use a Caracal as a descent salvage boat???
How man salvagers can you use on a caracal? How much cargo does it have?
Ask yourself that questions and compare to other ships...
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Terminus Vindictus
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.07.22 15:20:00 -
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Originally by: Hoo Is
Everyone knows that the dessie is the standard Loot/Salvage ship.
Not really. The 'cane is actually the standard Loot/Salvage ship, especially for the higher-level missions. The dessie is just a stepping stone to the 'cane.
Originally by: Hoo Is
My question is, could I use a Caracal as a descent salvage boat???
If you're only salvaging and not looting, then you can/should use a small, fast frigate. If you're looting, then you'll want something with a larger cargo bay than the Caracal. The Caracal is also not a very fast ship, so it'll take you some extra time to get into tractor range. Is it decent? Meh, not really. It's passable.
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Phaedriel
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Posted - 2009.07.22 15:22:00 -
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If the reason you're looking at the caracal is for cargo space then start thinking a little bigger.
The un-disputed champion of looting & salvaging is the Hurricane (Minmatar BC). You can find the setup here easily and it's often known as a Salvacane because it's so good.
If you're talking about purely salvaging though (and not looting) then a frigate class ship would be your best bet I think since you don't need the cargo space and they are fast as hell.
The usualy route though is destroyer (I started on cormorant) and then battlecruiser. Some use marauders due to the 40km tractor beams but I think the cost and training time is a little excessive (unless you mission in a marauder and use the fitting changer to drop your salvaging gear on it, even then, cargo might be an issue (not sure).
TLDR - get a hurricane, it's Grrreeaaat!
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Footoo Rama
Gallente
Caldari Illuminati
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Posted - 2009.07.22 21:55:00 -
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[Catalyst, salv]
Expanded Cargohold II
Expanded Cargohold II
Expanded Cargohold II
Cap Recharger II
1MN Afterburner II
Salvager I
Salvager I
Salvager I
Salvager I
Small Tractor Beam I
Small Tractor Beam I
Small Tractor Beam I
Small Tractor Beam I
Salvage Tackle I
[empty rig slot]
[empty rig slot]
IDK... 445ms top speed, and a 829m3 cargo bay, 219ms with no AB on.
Kinda hard to beat the cat. salvage/tractor numbers to your needs...
Generally if you are smart and moving while salvaging I can keep the whole thing loaded up the entire time with zero down time on the tractors. Besides you do not want to move over 450 ms anyway you will move faster then the tractors can pull in. Sure the hurricane can fit up to 2043 m3 but few missions need over 800m3 esp if you dump metal scraps and cap booster batteries.
Now for style! Use an ERIS, and you get 1057m3 space and a little better speed then the cat.
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Coriander Rinne
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2009.07.22 22:45:00 -
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Originally by: Hoo Is
Everyone knows that the dessie is the standard Loot/Salvage ship.
My question is, could I use a Caracal as a descent salvage boat???
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Jotobar
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Posted - 2009.07.23 04:06:00 -
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while the catalyct makes an decent replacement due to slightly better speed and align at expense of the tiny 800m3 cargo I've allways apriciated that the cane doesen't insta pop if some new spawns target you if you're dual accounting. It's also nice that it's almost cap stable without rigs instead of caping out after 1min like the one posted.
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Kassa Daito
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Posted - 2009.07.23 04:47:00 -
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3x salvage tackle a 'cane and you probably won't regret it. Sure, it'll cost you 100 mil and a couple days of training time (if not minmatar) but it will pay for itself with a bit of missioning and you can always resell it for 80-90mil when you move on to a marauder. It's really the only ship worth salvage tackling IMO.
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Kata Dakini
Flatiron Academy
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Posted - 2009.07.23 06:48:00 -
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Possible alternatives are drone boats. Vexor, Domi, Ishtar
Domi has nice cargo and high slots, and you can assign the drones to a main while you gather stuff, but it's a slow beast.
Ishtar is the same, but trading speed for cargo.
Vexor... for the low skilled.
Not superior to a dedicated salvage boat, but under the right circumstances, just as efficient.
There's also the****quror. Nice cargo bay, armor reps for logistics, and decent speed, but just four high slots.
If you want to add a little utility to your salvage ship, there are a few other options.
For more enjoyment and greater efficiency, consumption is being standardized.
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Ever6reen
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Posted - 2009.07.23 11:15:00 -
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hmmmm unfortunately T3 changes all this
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Ynot Eyob
Minmatar
Nisroc Angels
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Posted - 2009.07.23 11:31:00 -
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I use a hurricane as a salvaging boat, so do most of my corp now.
With contrainers you gain 2400m3
You can go 900 with MWD and 350 with AB
You can fit 4 tractors and 4 salvagers and 3 Salvage tacklets.
If tried alot of different ships as salvagers from firtates to battleships, even my T3 and the best salvager iv ever had used are the hurricane.
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Omar Khayyam
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.07.23 11:52:00 -
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there is something that i dont understand: everyone is talking about microwarp drives on salvagers.. but i think you cant use mwd in deadspace?? or am i missing something?
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Arrs Grazznic
Pawn Sauce
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Posted - 2009.07.23 12:15:00 -
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Originally by: Omar Khayyam
there is something that i dont understand: everyone is talking about microwarp drives on salvagers.. but i think you cant use mwd in deadspace?? or am i missing something?
You are correct on both counts... you can't use MWD in deadspace and you are missing something...
Many mission runners will bookmark the deadspace areas when running missions. They will then return to the station, call the mission in, swap into a dedicated salvaging ship and warp to each of the previously bookmarked locations. Doing it this way allows allows you to use a MWD, gets rid of the mission decorations (roids, gas clouds, etc.) and not have to bother with the gates.
Cheers,
Arrs
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Arrs Grazznic
Pawn Sauce
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Posted - 2009.07.23 12:19:00 -
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Originally by: Hoo Is
Everyone knows that the dessie is the standard Loot/Salvage ship.
As most people have pointed out above, the Hurricane is generally regarded as a standard loot / salvage ship. It can be out performed by a Marauder, but that is an expensive ship to use for scoping cans. Until CCP release a dedicated salvage ship (T2 destroyer with salvage / TB / cargo space bonuses?) the 'cane is still your best bet.
BTW, great name for PVP... "Who is primary?" "Hoo Is is primary" "Yes, that was what I was asking!" "Eh? Hoo is primary!" "WTF call it properly man!"
Cheers,
Arrs
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BeBoPp
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Posted - 2009.07.23 19:55:00 -
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I use a typhoon its great for al your dirty works :P
Also good support |
Shereza
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Posted - 2009.07.23 23:08:00 -
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Originally by: BeBoPp
I use a typhoon its great for al your dirty works :P
Also good support
Typhoon can fit 5 heavy logistics drones and 5 medium combat drones, 8 high slots for tractor beams and salvagers, and can hold approximately 1300m3 of cargo while still fitting modules to speed up its turning and even give it a small tank.
The dominix can do about the same but it's a tossup whether being able to fit 5 heavy shield rep, armor rep, and combat drones with +50% HP/DPS is worth the loss of two high slots if you multi-account missions.
I've had an alt in a salvage typhoon for almost a year now and I'm about to switch her to a dominix simply to get more DPS out of her combat drones, and so I don't have to swap out shield and armor rep drones when I change ships. |
Ravenal
The Fated
E.Y
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Posted - 2009.07.24 03:14:00 -
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Originally by: Arrs Grazznic
It can be out performed by a Marauder, but that is an expensive ship to use for scoping cans.
the only use for a Kronos is to be a dedicated salvage ship \o/ |
Samaritan Azuma
Pigs In Space United Proletariat
Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2009.07.24 03:18:00 -
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i use an****quror w
2x salvager 2x tractor
ab and 2 cap rechargers and t2 cargo expanders in the lows
gives 1900m3 and you can haul all the loot and salvage from any lvl 4 |
Arrs Grazznic
Pawn Sauce
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Posted - 2009.07.24 07:19:00 -
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Originally by: Samaritan Azuma
i use an****quror w
2x salvager 2x tractor
ab and 2 cap rechargers and t2 cargo expanders in the lows
gives 1900m3 and you can haul all the loot and salvage from any lvl 4
But this is significantly outperformed by a hurricane -- 4 salvager, 4x TB, AB, MWD, Cap rechargers in the mids and expanders in the lows. More cargo space and double the slavage / tractor ability.
Arrs
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Samaritan Azuma
Garoun Investment Bank
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Posted - 2009.07.25 17:57:00 -
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Edited by: Samaritan Azuma on 25/07/2009 18:00:44
Edited by: Samaritan Azuma on 25/07/2009 17:58:41
Edited by: Samaritan Azuma on 25/07/2009 17:57:48
ya except its 3x as fast and 8 times as cheap
EDIt and all that extra space in the hurricane isnot
needed not to mention a mwd is useless in almost all missions
and you cant target 8 wrecks
ive tried both so meh
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Julia Venatrix
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Posted - 2009.07.26 07:38:00 -
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Edited by: Julia Venatrix on 26/07/2009 07:42:50
Top is Cane. Harby is a close second.
For non-level 4s, any destroyer is better than anything other than those two.
For L4s, cargo space is important, and here either the****quror or the Stabber can shine. Particularly since by swapping cargo expanders for overdrives the same Stabber can do Recon 3/3, if you can't be arsed to have lots of ships in the hangar.
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Rossarian
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Posted - 2009.07.26 09:17:00 -
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Originally by: Samaritan Azuma
Edited by: Samaritan Azuma on 25/07/2009 18:00:44
Edited by: Samaritan Azuma on 25/07/2009 17:58:41
Edited by: Samaritan Azuma on 25/07/2009 17:57:48
ya except its 3x as fast and 8 times as cheap
EDIt and all that extra space in the hurricane isnot
needed not to mention a mwd is useless in almost all missions
and you cant target 8 wrecks
ive tried both so meh
Unless you fail at mission running in the first place, the price difference between both ships is negligible.
Having only half as many salvagers and tractors severly limits your efficiency. (Unless you kill the NPCs too slow, at which point we get back to failing...)
And the****quror is definitely NOT three times faster than a Hurricane.
You can target 8 wrecks in a cane as well if you fit a sigamp.
And if you think an MWD is useless in a salvager you are doing it wrong.
Or dual accounting. Which has completely different requirements to a salvage ship than single boxing does, and I guess the OP is talking about a single account.
For dualing quite obviously a ship that does good drone dps and has a decent amount of highs is the best. i.e. the Dominix. Or a Sin ;)
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Ritzenhoff
Gallente
Fabian Strategy
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Posted - 2009.07.26 14:03:00 -
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For level 4 missions I would say the****quror and Hurricane are the best, they have a big enough cargo bay you don't have to keep docking/undocking, which you do in a destroyer. Destroyer is fine for up to L3 IMHO.
Best ship (from much experience) in my opinion is Hurricane with:
High:
5 tractors, 3 salvagers (once you get high skills in salvaging you'll find it takes longer to tractor the wrecks than to salvage. At lower skills, 4 and 4 is probably a better mix)
Mid:
MWD and whatever else you like
Lows:
all cargo expander IIs except for 1 Signal Amp so that you can have 8 targets
And I think I have a salvage rig on there too, you could go nuts and add a Cargohold Opt rig but that adds quite a bit to the cost obviously.
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chuck starlighter
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Posted - 2009.07.26 15:07:00 -
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Kronos, bookmark a wreck roughly in the middle of the battle area warp in tractor everything within 40k dont need to move really huge cargo hold.
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