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Onyx Nyx
Perkone Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.05.30 10:16:00 -
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The storyline lost its relevance when players for the first time logged onto EVE back in 2003; players are the ones that has been writing the story for the game since.
The old introduction video hinted at it whereas the new introduction flat out tells you to shape your own path: dare to be bold, pilot. |

Ilsenae Alexandros
Wiyrkomi Honor Guard
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Posted - 2012.05.30 12:31:00 -
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Seismic Stan wrote:Freebooted wrote:Philip K. ****
This is the saddest thing in this thread. Ilsenae Alexandros Khross, Chaika Eskeitan of the Wiyrkomi Honor Guard
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Seismic Stan
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Posted - 2012.05.30 12:43:00 -
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Onyx Nyx wrote:The storyline lost its relevance when players for the first time logged onto EVE back in 2003; players are the ones that has been writing the story for the game since.
The old introduction video hinted at it whereas the new introduction flat out tells you to shape your own path: dare to be bold, pilot. The stories may be played out by the players, but who's telling them? Poorly written After Action Reports and techno-jargon drivel on EVE News 24 is hardly the pinnacle of good narration. I don't disagree that the players should be central to the story, but that doesn't mean it should be left in the hands of the sort of people who can only communicate in language that is only understood by a niche group.
Furthermore, you may have no interest in the lore, but it is a lure for many others. If EVE is only marketed at one demographic, it isn't much of a sandbox, is it?
Ilsenae Alexandros wrote:Seismic Stan wrote:Freebooted wrote:Philip K. **** This is the saddest thing in this thread. I know, right? One of the great sci-fi authors can't even have his name mentioned on the forum of a sci-fi game. A tragic sign of the times. Freebooted - Tech4 News - Incarna: The Text Adventure - Guild Launch EVE Correspondent |

Onyx Nyx
Perkone Caldari State
5
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Posted - 2012.05.30 14:33:00 -
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Seismic Stan wrote:Onyx Nyx wrote:The storyline lost its relevance when players for the first time logged onto EVE back in 2003; players are the ones that has been writing the story for the game since.
The old introduction video hinted at it whereas the new introduction flat out tells you to shape your own path: dare to be bold, pilot. The stories may be played out by the players, but who's telling them? Poorly written After Action Reports and techno-jargon drivel on EVE News 24 is hardly the pinnacle of good narration. I don't disagree that the players should be central to the story, but that doesn't mean it should be left in the hands of the sort of people who can only communicate in language that is only understood by a niche group. Furthermore, you may have no interest in the lore, but it is a lure for many others. If EVE is only marketed at one demographic, it isn't much of a sandbox, is it?
I am fine with having EN24, and I'd even settle with Massively or Mintchip, covering than have some british self-absorbed, self-entitled roleplayer(s) deliver us the battle report of the engagement in the system FUK-YU in the year blablabla. No offense.
I prefer to understand what the **** is going on than being put to sleep.
Oh, I do have a interest in the lore but I just don't care about it because storyline in a game like EVE is more about setting the stage than go on a merry adventure and that should be obvious to anyone. |

Rodj Blake
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
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Posted - 2012.05.30 14:34:00 -
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If people don't seem to get involved with the storyline, it's because there's no storyline for them to get involved with.
Non-RPers got involved with the Emperor trials back in 2003. More than that, people who normally couldn't care less about "RP fluff" cared about the identity of the next Emperor.
Non-RPers cared about collecting the remains of the dead Jovian dude as well, and they also cared about the outcome of the Federation presidential election (although that particular event was botched more than Botchy McBotcherson's Botcher of the Year contest).
Non-RPers cared about the return of Sansha Kuvakei too. Unfortunately it's becoming increasingly apparent that the people who don't care about these things are CCP. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori. |

N'maro Makari
The Synenose Accord Celestial Imperative
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Posted - 2012.05.30 14:51:00 -
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The Dev response is appreciated, but it wont mean jack until we get action on words.
People were pretty exited when Dropbear did the live events presentation at EVE Vegas. People were exited when the Incursion live events went down. People were exited when Arekjalaan began.
All the above and every bit of story players have even been secondarily involved in have one thing in common.
After a little while we get infamous CCP Wall of Silence.
I mean, come on, during an ongoing live event, the main Dev leaves CCP and the only way we find out is when he actually tells us on external forums? Thats ******* unproffessional CCP, its nothing but ****** customer service.
Especially becuase alot of people put a great deal of time and their own personal ISK into the project and its now been effectively wasted.
Sort yourselves out CCP N'maro Makari Director of Public Relations The Synenose Accord Celestial Imperative |

Rodj Blake
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
940
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Posted - 2012.05.30 16:59:00 -
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N'maro Makari wrote:
After a little while we get infamous CCP Wall of Silence.
That would be an awesome dev name.
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori. |

Seismic Stan
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Posted - 2012.05.30 17:17:00 -
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Onyx Nyx wrote:I am fine with having EN24, and I'd even settle with Massively or Mintchip, covering than have some british self-absorbed, self-entitled roleplayer(s) deliver us the battle report of the engagement in the system FUK-YU in the year blablabla. No offense.
I prefer to understand what the **** is going on than being put to sleep.
Oh, I do have a interest in the lore but I just don't care about it because storyline in a game like EVE is more about setting the stage than go on a merry adventure and that should be obvious to anyone.
You are entitled to enjoy your content however you wish. If EN24 or Mintchip is how you prefer to get your coverage, that's fine - they do a perfectly good job of catering to their audiences. But there are other audiences who also deserve to be catered for.
Offence taken, please explain what you mean by "british self-absorbed, self-entitled roleplayer(s)". Freebooted - Tech4 News - Incarna: The Text Adventure - Guild Launch EVE Correspondent |

N'maro Makari
The Synenose Accord Celestial Imperative
72
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Posted - 2012.05.30 17:43:00 -
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Seismic Stan wrote: Offence taken, please explain what you mean by "british self-absorbed, self-entitled roleplayer(s)".
N'maro Makari Director of Public Relations The Synenose Accord Celestial Imperative |

Andreus Ixiris
Mixed Metaphor Federal Consensus Outreach
996
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Posted - 2012.05.30 17:45:00 -
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Seismic Stan wrote:Offence taken, please explain what you mean by "british self-absorbed, self-entitled roleplayer(s)".
What that means is "I disagree with your opinion, but rather than explain myself in a civilzied and reasonable manner I'm going to troll." Unfortunately, you get these kind of people sometimes. Mane 614
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N'maro Makari
The Synenose Accord Celestial Imperative
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Posted - 2012.05.30 17:57:00 -
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Perhaps I should speak in old shakespearian for effect? N'maro Makari Director of Public Relations The Synenose Accord Celestial Imperative |

Andreus Ixiris
Mixed Metaphor Federal Consensus Outreach
996
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Posted - 2012.05.30 18:10:00 -
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N'maro Makari wrote:Perhaps I should speak in old shakespearian for effect?
I approve! Mane 614
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Barbara Nichole
Cryogenic Consultancy Black Sun Alliance
179
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Posted - 2012.05.30 18:32:00 -
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Andreus Ixiris wrote:So with the rollout of factional warfare upgrades, player influence on NPC space has reached an all-time high, and this is only going to increase with the rollout of Dust 514, where (as I best understand it) "instant action" quick matches will take place between NPC corporations, with Dusties fighting for them. For the better part of two years now, there hasn't been a single factional news update in the News Channels. Apart from the three that we received with the release of Crucible, Chronicles haven't been updated since Christmas 2010. Live events have stopped, and as I understand it, the one major NPC-PC collaborative roleplay organisation, Arek'Jalaan, is dead in the water, with its main representative, Hilen Tukoss, not answering his phone. Apart from a few new articles on the EVE wiki, content regarding the EVE universe has ground to a halt. We roleplayers have absolutely no idea what's going on in the universe we're a part of. We don't know what's happened to the storyline. During the 2009 Caldari occupation of Gallente space, there were almost weekly news updates about the state of the occupation, which, given that at the time there were no mechanical rewards for system capture whatsoever, were at least somewhat of a reward for roleplayers on both sides, who could argue about the state of the contested zone and engage in various shennanigans. A lot of the most memorable EVE experiences for me have been when I was in space with other roleplayers - the last-ditch suicide defence of a gate against Amarrian slavers with Ushra'Khan, mercenaries who we'd become friends with coming to our aid in our corp's hour of greatest need, old enemies becoming new friends in a fight against the Sansha - these are the moments I remember most fondly. What we, as roleplayers, want from CCP is simply an answer to two questions - do you plan to resume work on EVE Online's storyline, and if so, when and how? If CCP has no plans to orfurther storyline content, we'd much rather know the truth than wait in uncertainty.
...and why if hulkageddon becomes the year round norm would lore mandated concord not find new and more aggressive ways to combat the problem? [IMG]http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a208/DawnFrostbringer/OldST.jpg[/IMG] |

Seismic Stan
126
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Posted - 2012.05.30 18:58:00 -
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Barbara Nichole wrote:...and why if hulkageddon becomes the year round norm would lore mandated concord not find new and more aggressive ways to combat the problem? Heh, it's certainly going to be interesting times. I think care has to be taken not to sacrifice gameplay in favour of a "realistic" storyline. EVE Online is a game first and foremost and I don't think emergent gameplay should be obstructed in the name of lore. Suspension of disbelief should give some wiggle room. I believe the storyline should always be fit around events and mechanics rather than vice versa.
If there's any development on the Crimewatch system as mentioned at Fanfest 2012 or the bounties and smugglers concept as showcased at Fanfest 2011, there's some narrative purchase there for a CONCORD response without directly reacting to the Permageddon. Freebooted - Tech4 News - Incarna: The Text Adventure - Guild Launch EVE Correspondent |

Onyx Nyx
Perkone Caldari State
5
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Posted - 2012.05.30 19:08:00 -
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Seismic Stan wrote:Onyx Nyx wrote:I am fine with having EN24, and I'd even settle with Massively or Mintchip, covering than have some british self-absorbed, self-entitled roleplayer(s) deliver us the battle report of the engagement in the system FUK-YU in the year blablabla. No offense.
I prefer to understand what the **** is going on than being put to sleep.
Oh, I do have a interest in the lore but I just don't care about it because storyline in a game like EVE is more about setting the stage than go on a merry adventure and that should be obvious to anyone. You are entitled to enjoy your content however you wish. If EN24 or Mintchip is how you prefer to get your coverage, that's fine - they do a perfectly good job of catering to their audiences. But there are other audiences who also deserve to be catered for. Offence taken, please explain what you mean by "british self-absorbed, self-entitled roleplayer(s)".
And who are they? Irrelevant players that pace back in forth in their rooms whose impact on EVE is insignificant because they *never* undock? When they are not whining about WiS or lack of clothes.
Like above but british, I guess. |

Seismic Stan
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Posted - 2012.05.30 19:16:00 -
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Onyx Nyx wrote:And who are they? Irrelevant players that pace back in forth in their rooms whose impact on EVE is insignificant because they *never* undock? When they are not whining about WiS or lack of clothes.
Like above but british, I guess. Excellent, thanks for establishing yourself as a bigoted troll (further evidenced by all your recent posts). Now you've got the sweeping generalisations and casual racism out of your system, perhaps the people with informed opinions can get on with having a proper discussion. Nice of you to drop by though.
Freebooted - Tech4 News - Incarna: The Text Adventure - Guild Launch EVE Correspondent |

Onyx Nyx
Perkone Caldari State
5
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Posted - 2012.05.30 19:22:00 -
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Seismic Stan wrote:Onyx Nyx wrote:And who are they? Irrelevant players that pace back in forth in their rooms whose impact on EVE is insignificant because they *never* undock? When they are not whining about WiS or lack of clothes.
Like above but british, I guess. Excellent, thanks for establishing yourself as a bigoted troll (further evidenced by all your recent posts). Now you've got the sweeping generalisations and casual racism out of your system, perhaps the people with informed opinions can get on with having a proper discussion. Nice of you to drop by though.
But before I go, want me to fetch your napkin out of your purse? |

Andreus Ixiris
Mixed Metaphor Federal Consensus Outreach
997
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Posted - 2012.05.30 19:23:00 -
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Onyx Nyx wrote:Irrelevant players that pace back in forth in their rooms whose impact on EVE is insignificant because they *never* undock?
Says the forum troll alt.  Mane 614
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Onyx Nyx
Perkone Caldari State
5
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Posted - 2012.05.30 19:25:00 -
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Andreus Ixiris wrote:Onyx Nyx wrote:Irrelevant players that pace back in forth in their rooms whose impact on EVE is insignificant because they *never* undock? Says the forum troll alt. 
I undock. :(
Not to shoot at things, but to probe things down to shoot at which reminds me. |

N'maro Makari
The Synenose Accord Celestial Imperative
73
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Posted - 2012.05.30 20:54:00 -
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Onyx Nyx wrote:Andreus Ixiris wrote:Onyx Nyx wrote:Irrelevant players that pace back in forth in their rooms whose impact on EVE is insignificant because they *never* undock? Says the forum troll alt.  I undock. :( Not to shoot at things, but to probe things down to shoot at which reminds me.
Come on really? You're in way over your head and have no idea what you're talking about. But of course, you're such a shining beacon of eloquence so you cant be wrong
(Hint: you're wrong, and dont know if we actually undock. On top of that, you've let your own sordid bigotry bubble to the surface, further demonstrating the value of your opinion is about the level of some backwards high-school drop out. I advise to to re-enroll in school) N'maro Makari Director of Public Relations The Synenose Accord Celestial Imperative |
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Akai Kvaesir
0ffice of Naval Intelligence
77
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Posted - 2012.05.30 20:55:00 -
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I'd just like to clarify something that has been bothering me for YEARS. Role-playing is not a very complicated idea, and it can in fact be separated into two very easy to understand concepts. There are roles, and to participate, you choose a role to play and play to that role. Very simple. EVE is a sandbox, and in that sandbox we are encouraged to seek out our own careers; be it mining, industry, pvp, or pve (and that is just some of the overarching, basic roles we play when we are flying around in internet spaceships). Thus, anyone playing EVE seriously MUST adopt SOME role to play, so all of you 1337 PVPer's flying around null and every single pirate ganking any ship anywhere ARE ROLEPLAYERS. You may not consider yourself an RPer, but you cannot play EVE without playing into the role you have chosen for yourself. Period. You may disagree, but just like ganking miners is still PVP (even if they aren't fighting back) playing EVE in any sense other than as a screensaver REQUIRES Roleplaying.
Oh, and all you supposedly "relevant" players "who matter" crying about how you dont care about the story, I should also assume you would like your ships to be grey boxes spitting smaller grey projectile boxes? I mean, all those sexy ships...that comes from the story, from the background, from the CULTURE that was created by CCP. You kill the story, and nothing in the game really matters, aside from spreadsheet ****. |

N'maro Makari
The Synenose Accord Celestial Imperative
73
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Posted - 2012.05.30 20:56:00 -
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Akai Kvaesir wrote:I'd just like to clarify something that has been bothering me for YEARS. Role-playing is not a very complicated idea, and it can in fact be separated into two very easy to understand concepts. There are roles, and to participate, you choose a role to play and play to that role. Very simple. EVE is a sandbox, and in that sandbox we are encouraged to seek out our own careers; be it mining, industry, pvp, or pve (and that is just some of the overarching, basic roles we play when we are flying around in internet spaceships). Thus, anyone playing EVE seriously MUST adopt SOME role to play, so all of you 1337 PVPer's flying around null and every single pirate ganking any ship anywhere ARE ROLEPLAYERS. You may not consider yourself an RPer, but you cannot play EVE without playing into the role you have chosen for yourself. Period. You may disagree, but just like ganking miners is still PVP (even if they aren't fighting back) playing EVE in any sense other than as a screensaver REQUIRES Roleplaying.
Oh, and all you supposedly "relevant" players "who matter" crying about how you dont care about the story, I should also assume you would like your ships to be grey boxes spitting smaller grey projectile boxes? I mean, all those sexy ships...that comes from the story, from the background, from the CULTURE that was created by CCP. You kill the story, and nothing in the game really matters, aside from spreadsheet ****.
^ This N'maro Makari Director of Public Relations The Synenose Accord Celestial Imperative |

Onyx Nyx
Perkone Caldari State
7
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Posted - 2012.05.30 21:01:00 -
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N'maro Makari wrote:Onyx Nyx wrote:Andreus Ixiris wrote:Onyx Nyx wrote:Irrelevant players that pace back in forth in their rooms whose impact on EVE is insignificant because they *never* undock? Says the forum troll alt.  I undock. :( Not to shoot at things, but to probe things down to shoot at which reminds me. Come on really? You're in way over your head and have no idea what you're talking about. But of course, you're such a shining beacon of eloquence so you cant be wrong (Hint: your wrong)
Intergalactic summit that way ----> |

N'maro Makari
The Synenose Accord Celestial Imperative
73
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Posted - 2012.05.30 21:06:00 -
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Onyx Nyx wrote:N'maro Makari wrote:Onyx Nyx wrote:Andreus Ixiris wrote:Onyx Nyx wrote:Irrelevant players that pace back in forth in their rooms whose impact on EVE is insignificant because they *never* undock? Says the forum troll alt.  I undock. :( Not to shoot at things, but to probe things down to shoot at which reminds me. Come on really? You're in way over your head and have no idea what you're talking about. But of course, you're such a shining beacon of eloquence so you cant be wrong (Hint: your wrong) Intergalactic summit that way ---->
Kind of you, I'd forgotten. I'm talking to you though. What led you to believe "RPers" dont undock? And that we're all British. And where did you get the idea that only we are the ones who are self-righteous assholes in EVE? Last I looked it was pretty much everyone. N'maro Makari Director of Public Relations The Synenose Accord Celestial Imperative |

Onyx Nyx
Perkone Caldari State
7
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Posted - 2012.05.30 21:10:00 -
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N'maro Makari wrote:
I'm talking to you though. What led you to believe "RPers" dont undock? And that we're all British. And where did you get the idea that only we are the ones who are self-righteous assholes in EVE? Last I looked it was pretty much everyone.
What can I say? I like to fish and you, my dear fish, took the bait.  |

N'maro Makari
The Synenose Accord Celestial Imperative
73
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Posted - 2012.05.30 21:14:00 -
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Onyx Nyx wrote:N'maro Makari wrote:
I'm talking to you though. What led you to believe "RPers" dont undock? And that we're all British. And where did you get the idea that only we are the ones who are self-righteous assholes in EVE? Last I looked it was pretty much everyone.
What can I say? I like to fish and you took the bait. 
So in fact you didnt have anything at all important to say. Or you're backing out. Either way, good show old chap. Moving on! N'maro Makari Director of Public Relations The Synenose Accord Celestial Imperative |

Onyx Nyx
Perkone Caldari State
7
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Posted - 2012.05.30 21:19:00 -
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N'maro Makari wrote:Onyx Nyx wrote:N'maro Makari wrote:
I'm talking to you though. What led you to believe "RPers" dont undock? And that we're all British. And where did you get the idea that only we are the ones who are self-righteous assholes in EVE? Last I looked it was pretty much everyone.
What can I say? I like to fish and you took the bait.  So in fact you didnt have anything at all important to say. Or you're backing out. Either way, good show old chap. Moving on!
I got to back out before it gets serious. You might start casting magic missile after me for 1d4+1 damage... |

Andreus Ixiris
Mixed Metaphor Federal Consensus Outreach
1000
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Posted - 2012.05.30 21:31:00 -
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Either way, thanks for bumping my thread and getting more people to post!  Mane 614
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Seismic Stan
128
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Posted - 2012.05.30 21:41:00 -
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I totally agree with the sentiment that the lore should set the stage for player interaction. Individual players can take or leave their personal involvement in the lore, but as has been said repeatedly in this thread, anyone pretending to fly a spaceship is part of the narrative world and it's just the way the grand story is told that needs focus.
Goonswarm's Permageddon provides a perfect opportunity to explore how the world beyond capsuleers would react to the mass destruction of mining fleets and the economic ramifications. Lore-based coverage of the events could be delivered in Scope reports, Chronicles and other forms of audio and video could all be produced. Either the Goons wouldn't care and would just carry on with their gameplay, or more likely they'd quite enjoy the attention and play up to it (read: try to break it). Either way it would be the perfect collision of a demographic not usually associated with the lore and events that could generate some interesting fiction.
Everyone is a winner. Freebooted - Tech4 News - Incarna: The Text Adventure - Guild Launch EVE Correspondent |

Asuri Kinnes
Adhocracy Incorporated Adhocracy
454
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Posted - 2012.05.30 23:04:00 -
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Andreus Ixiris wrote:Sarah Schneider wrote:Jovians... please? :) They're all dead. They're only "mostly dead"...
Wormholes: The *NEW* end game of Eve - Online: No Local. No Lag. No Blues (No Intell Channesl). No Blobs.
NEW FEATURE: NO INCARNA! |
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