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FlashMemory Trade	Posted - 2009.07.22 23:51:00 - [1] Ok, I mine in my hulk as my main source of income - however I want to start running missions solo to improve my standings and for fun. I will also be running level 4s with my corp on mission nights. Now I am training to use minmatar ships to use in pvp and I would like to use them for pve also (yes, I know they suck for pve) I have decided to use a 'cane for salvaging but I am unsure on what to use for solo and fleet work. I would prefer to not use a battleship (I want to try and train skills that will be useful for when I pvp and I dont intend to use BSs in pvp for now) so a cruiser or a battlecruiser would be great - even if it is a T2 cruiser (would a muninn be able to solo lvl 4s?) Basically I am looking for advice on what ship to use for: Solo Missions - ??? Group Missions - ??? Salvager - 'cane It doesn't matter if I'm not making the most isk per hour as I have my hulk for that. Id just like to run some missions for a change and to help out my corp on mission nights. //Flash
Krystal Vernet Minmatar Gradient Electus Matari	Posted - 2009.07.22 23:56:00 - [2] A shield-tanked Hurricane can do L4s. I don't have the fit on me atm, though.
Ghoest	Posted - 2009.07.22 23:57:00 - [3] Dont try soloing lvl 4s in a Minmatar BC. Id suggest an arty Cane if you trying to go on group missions with out a BS. Although if for some crazy reason you are expected to tank then take a Cyclone. Wherever you went - Here you are.
AstroPhobic Divine Retribution	Posted - 2009.07.23 00:30:00 - [4] You'll make more isk/h doing level 3s if you don't intend on using a battleship for 4s, plus it will probably be more fun. It'll take several months to get into a sleipnir which is IMO the only minnie sub-bs actually capable of running level 4s. Training Minnie battleship 4 and large projectiles 4 won't take exceedingly long. But I'm pretty much repeating myself from the other thread.
Seriously Bored Minmatar	Posted - 2009.07.23 02:45:00 - [5] Edited by: Seriously Bored on 23/07/2009 02:51:03 Originally by: FlashMemory Trade Basically I am looking for advice on what ship to use for: Solo Missions - 'cane Group Missions - 'cane Salvager - 'cane It doesn't matter if I'm not making the most isk per hour as I have my hulk for that. Id just like to run some missions for a change and to help out my corp on mission nights. //Flash Fixed that for ya. Hurricanes can do L4 missions, albeit slower than any BS, but should be fine when you're running missions with the corp. Though I hear the Sleipnir is fantastic, but much more isk and training time. EDIT: Also, to address a comment above, a Passive Hurricane can arguably have a more effective tank than a Cyclone while still putting out the same or better DPS. I used to mission in one for ****s and giggles and the only missions that gave me trouble were The Assault (Serpentis), Mordus Headhunters, and a misguided idiotic attempt at the AE bonus room.
Von Kapiche Minmatar	Posted - 2009.07.23 02:52:00 - [6] Edited by: Von Kapiche on 23/07/2009 02:53:08 shrug I've done l4s in an AC fleet stabber ( inc all of AE... bonus room took freakin ages but it went down ), so I don't see them being impossible in a muninn. It's not a great idea, though. Cane is fine for a fleet mission ship, if you set it up for full damage and a GTFO tank you can add some speciality ewar to it ( painters+web help everyone, remote sensor booster helps missile BS pilots and people being damped as a couple of ideas, depends who you're flying with ). Cane as a solo l4 ship will work, but be too painfully slow to use once the novelty wears off.
FlashMemory Trade	Posted - 2009.07.23 04:34:00 - [7] Originally by: AstroPhobic But I'm pretty much repeating myself from the other thread. hehe sorry :) ----- thanks for the replies! - I think im going to try and fit a cane with arty and support mods in the mids (painters) and try and get as much damage out put as I can and leave the tanking to the other guys :) as for the solo missions I will try the cane and see I get on - might train BSs at a later date but for now i am going to stick with the cane as I'm wanting to fly one in pvp so I can train for both pve and pvp at the same time. another quick question, what role does the Sleipnir have in pvp? are they usefull? was thinking about training for a rapier or vega but how good are the minnie command ships? //Flash
Ghoest	Posted - 2009.07.23 05:30:00 - [8] Generally Command ships hide in PVP - unless your rich and want to use one in small gangs. In fleets even small fleets they are usually primaried. Wherever you went - Here you are.
Mish'Kala Minmatar Infiniti Matar Sleepless Knights Alliance	Posted - 2009.07.23 07:34:00 - [9] Depending on how Agro is being handled a Fleet stabber can be set up to provide insane DPS to a fleet. an AC Cane can be set up as a gank fit as well if its not tanking. AC's, Gyros and an Afterburner. Talk about mini BS being useless for soloing levle 4 is 'BS' too. A mediocre skilled Phoon can solo them, its just not as fast as it could be. Vaga and Muninn are capable of soloing Level 4's provided you fly them as in your face r@pe machines and keep mobile. Webbers are death to them. Hell, ive done Blockade and AE vs angels in a Jaguar. it was slow, but it worked. There are plaenty of minni sub BS ships out there that can do PVE, you just have to get away from the 'sit there spamming missiles' philosophy of the Raven pilot. Minmatar = Mobile
Omar Khayyam Minmatar	Posted - 2009.07.23 07:59:00 - [10] i have been training for sleipnir for a month and i am starting to think if i am wasting my time.. i can train for caldari cruiser5 in 21 days and i will be able to use nighthawk, but the problem is caldari ships are extremely boring in doing anything pve. i want to be mobile and also i want to finish missions as fast as i can.. also which sleipnir is better for missions in minmatar space? AC or Arty? ------------------------------------------------ cruisers used to be a great power when i started this game :)

AusTerror	Posted - 2009.07.23 08:10:00 - [11] the cane is great value. passive shield tank it. Also did someone mention missile launchers and the cane? Use projectile weapons, it gets a bonus.
Wayay Bonnylad	Posted - 2009.07.23 08:31:00 - [12] Yes, you can run Lvl 4s in a Cane (well, most of them) but it is an awful waste of time. It is fun though! But, to be honest, it is wirth the effort to train up for BS and large guns if you want to run solo Lvl 4s. I found that when I started running Lvl 4s I upgraded from a well fitted Cane to a mediocre fitted 'Pest then to a 'Strom because the Pest is rubbish for missioning. I found that I couldn't do them any faster in the BS than in the Cane, so I went back to the Cane until I had trained the few days needed for BS4 and Large Guns 4, then went back. Easy Peasy after that. For group mission work stick to the 'Cane until your BS skills are up to it, just forget using ACs on a 'Cane. If your gang is any good by the time you get into range the target will either be dead or in hull, and you will likely move too close to the rats and trigger the next wave (who will go straight for you!). For gang work, stick to Artillery. Go with LSEs, AB and a TP for gang love, and fill the lows with Gyros/tracking mods. The shield tank will handle any accidental aggro and the artillery and gyros will ensure you add something meaningful to the expedition.
Najenna Minmatar Galactic Defence Syndicate Slightly Inappropriate.	Posted - 2009.07.23 10:37:00 - [13] OMGyou people have no clue on what your talking about. Minmatar don't have good pve ships Please I fly a Tempest and kill faster than any missle boat can. For the OP if you want to be a carebear then go Caldari and get a missle boat. If you want Minmatar then you better sound and act like one. Minmatar are a strong proud race. Our ships might not be the best looking but for the love of Eve put your "Trust in the rust". People who put down Minmatar ships have no fraking clue what they are talking about. They are either stupid or jealous that they don't have the skills to fly a Minmatar ship. Like my wall of text? That's Leet wall of text lvl 5. Don't like? T.F.B.
Leopold Caine Amarr Ordo Nigrorum Susurri Ordo Magna	Posted - 2009.07.23 10:39:00 - [14] Edited by: Leopold Caine on 23/07/2009 10:39:11 1) Matari BS 4 2) Large Projectile 4 3) Drones V 4) Shield support skills IV 5) Maelstrom 6) Profit? ________________________________________ Please resize sig to a maximum of 400 x 120 and a file size no greater than 24000 bytes - Mitnal
Admiral Atlan	Posted - 2009.07.23 13:27:00 - [15] [Hurricane, passivecane] Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Invulnerability Field II 650mm Medium Prototype I Siege Cannon, EMP M 650mm Medium Prototype I Siege Cannon, EMP M 650mm Medium Prototype I Siege Cannon, EMP M 650mm Medium Prototype I Siege Cannon, EMP M 650mm Medium Prototype I Siege Cannon, EMP M 650mm Medium Prototype I Siege Cannon, EMP M XT-2800 Heavy Assault Missile Launcher I, Torrent Assault Missile XT-2800 Heavy Assault Missile Launcher I, Torrent Assault Missile Core Defence Field Purger I Core Defence Field Purger I Core Defence Field Purger I works well :) if you lack powergrid use named extenders or assault missile launcher
AstroPhobic Divine Retribution	Posted - 2009.07.23 15:34:00 - [16] Originally by: Najenna OMGyou people have no clue on what your talking about. Minmatar don't have good pve ships Please I fly a Tempest and kill faster than any missle boat can. For the OP if you want to be a carebear then go Caldari and get a missle boat. If you want Minmatar then you better sound and act like one. Minmatar are a strong proud race. Our ships might not be the best looking but for the love of Eve put your "Trust in the rust". People who put down Minmatar ships have no fraking clue what they are talking about. They are either stupid or jealous that they don't have the skills to fly a Minmatar ship. Like my wall of text? That's Leet wall of text lvl 5. Don't like? T.F.B. I laughed. Nearly believable, but the RP bit gave it away. 7/10
Altair Alhammajid	Posted - 2009.07.23 15:40:00 - [17] After much experimenting with different pve setups for minmatar ships, I have come to find the most success I have had is in a Maelstrom. Maybe the tier 3 bs is a bit away for you but with good shield tanking skills you will be all set. I get about 684 eft defence rating with sustained of 205 and 608 dps against angel cartel with this setup. Once my skills are better I will be pushing 800 dps with this. Not bad for also having a good tank. The tempest was good, and I armor tanked it for awhile. Was able to permatank it but the dps left more to be desired. The cane is good if you passive tank it for lvl 4s, but once again the dps leaves more to be desired. If you look to solo, maelstrom is the way to go. I also hear that people have good luck the typhoon but I only use it for uber gank and no tank with fleet mission ops. I will also include my Cane passive tank setup Cane PST highs 6 x t2 220 mm ac's or go with t2 650 mms artys if you need distance 2 x xt-2800 hams mids 1 x t2 large shield extender 2 x t2 passive shield resis amps (mission specific) 1 x t2 10 mn ab lows 5 x t2 shield power relays 1 x t2 gyrostab or go with 6 shield power relays for more tank rigs 3 x defence field purger drones 5 x mission specific lights EFT stats defence: 510 against angel cartel (6 shield relays) defence: 387 agains angel cartel (5 shield relays) dps: 378 (with gyrostab) dps: 330 (without gyrostab) Maelstrom PVE Active Shield highs 8 X 800 mm 'scout' acs mids 1 x t2 xlarge shield booster 1 x t1 shield amplifier (t1 due to skill, but will have t2 tomorrow morning!!) 2 x t2 shield hardeners (mission specific) 1 x t2 100 mn ab 1 x t2 cap recharger lows 1 x t2 DCU 3 x t2 Gyrostabs 1 x t2 tracking enhancer rigs 3 x ccc's drones 5 x t2 mission specific lights 5 x t2 mission specific mediums EFT stats defence: 684/205 against angel dps: 608 (with my current skills at 13 mil sp) Just throwing around some options. Typhoon = gank Tempest = pvp maelstrom = balanced pve all this is imo
Von Kapiche Minmatar	Posted - 2009.07.24 06:13:00 - [18] Having fitted ambits on a Mael I don't think I could go back to using cap mods on an AC fit, but trying to get enough tank can be tricky - I gave up & use shield drones from a support boat for harsh fights. OFC 90% of the time you could use a civvie shield booster, so no big deal. If the OP wants an AC gank ship, I'd either use a cruiser hull ( which is pretty much fstabber ) or I guess a nano cane might work, I've never tried it in fleet pve; or bite the bullet & get a large AC platform with some decent range.
Akyla Bears Inc	Posted - 2009.07.24 08:51:00 - [19] I used to fly a Maelstrom with 800mm¦s T2, about 45km falloff with Barrage and falloff rigs. Now I fly a Vargur with about 56km falloff which is just awesome.
Misina Arlath Amarr	Posted - 2009.07.24 10:21:00 - [20] Hurricane is an amazing ship, and highly recommended. It's got hefty firepower, good speed, easily adjustable to handle both PvP and PvE, in both gangs/fleet as well as soloing. You can choose wether you want to shield or armor tank it, depending on your own skills, since both work equally well, both passive and active tanks go well. Arty-cane is great for missions, and an AC-cane in the hands of a decent pilot can take on most ships from frigs to battleships (of course depending on situation). It's also a very quick ship, and can be as agile as a stock-cruiser. Overall, I've tried most ships in the game sub-capitols, and Hurricane has truly surprised me. My only regret is that Minny ships were the last ones I tried on, so I didn't discover the hurricane before. Even better, the cane can be insured, so any ship-loss should only amount to modules and rigs (and the rigs you need on a 'cane are among the cheapest ones on the market... shield rigs and/or ambits). My favourite ship in EVE (right now). --------------------------------------------------



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