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Tharq Ruhr
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Posted - 2009.07.23 17:32:00 -
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After 2 weeks playing (I'm still doing the career missions too) I feel I should dip my toes into low sec space and experience 'death' so I know what it's all about (cloning etc).
Given that I've now got numerous ships as rewards from various missions, I assume the best thing I can do is jup in one of them, but not install and weapons or shields etc (if I'm gonna die, there's no point getting a pea shooter out in low sec space).
Is my idea a reasonable way to 'experience' death for the first time, or should I try it differently??? |

Kahega Amielden
Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2009.07.23 17:36:00 -
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I'd say -avoiding- death in lower security space is a more valuable thing to experience...read this.
You'll experience death anyway. It's learning how to minimize the chances of that that makes the difference. |

Tharq Ruhr
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Posted - 2009.07.23 17:48:00 -
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Thanks for the link... reading now.
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Tau Cabalander
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.07.23 21:05:00 -
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Edited by: Tau Cabalander on 23/07/2009 21:04:59
You may want to take a visit to Providence, assuming you and your corporation are not on CVA's hate list, and your not Minmatar as they are an roleplaying alliance loyal to the Amarr Empress.
Abide by the Law of Greater Providence and CVA should leave you alone, though others may not.
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Chiana Moro
Native Freshfood
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Posted - 2009.07.24 09:52:00 -
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Originally by: Tau Cabalander Edited by: Tau Cabalander on 23/07/2009 21:04:59
You may want to take a visit to Providence, assuming you and your corporation are not on CVA's hate list, and your not Minmatar as they are an roleplaying alliance loyal to the Amarr Empress.
OK on the first point, oopsy on the second, maybe I'd just undock and gtfo then :) Thanks for the link, useful in my alt corp. |

Cipher7
Slag Industries
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Posted - 2009.07.24 11:39:00 -
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Fit out a combat frigate and go into ammamake.
Rat in the belts for a while, sooner or later someone will jump you.
There's a local band of pirates there all in BC's that won't engage you unless it's like 5v1 (lol mirrorgod.)
Either escape or fight.
Don't engage ppl at gates unless they're flashy red, the gate guns will pwn you.
The nice thing about Amamake is it's like 2 jumps from Rens, a major trade hub, you can rearm and go back for more.
For your second lesson, take a combat frigate and fly to 9uy in Providence.
The locals won't kill you but roving enemies will.
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Durzel
The Xenodus Initiative.
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Posted - 2009.07.24 16:07:00 -
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Edited by: Durzel on 24/07/2009 16:07:26 Isn't going to Amamake basically just an exercise in getting blown up? (unless you're there to do the er... blowing).
Wouldn't it make more sense for him to fit a basic ship and head to a quiet low-sec system, do some ratting and see how long it takes to get caught?
*shrug*
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nautix
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Posted - 2009.07.24 19:56:00 -
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Originally by: Durzel Edited by: Durzel on 24/07/2009 16:07:26 Isn't going to Amamake basically just an exercise in getting blown up? (unless you're there to do the er... blowing).
Wouldn't it make more sense for him to fit a basic ship and head to a quiet low-sec system, do some ratting and see how long it takes to get caught?
*shrug*
There is an idea as long as it is not Amamake although i got to say <3 Amamake its my #1 system in all of eve!!
However if he wants to experience the true joys of low sec and the dangers I would suggest as the above poster did to definitely go to Amamake.
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Tai Paktu
Beyond Divinity Inc
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Posted - 2009.07.24 23:36:00 -
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I hear the area around Tama is pretty nice...
Seriously though, if you just wanna die jump into Rancer. If you'd rather learn about low sec and the survival aspect of EVE (which I'd say is more important), get a frigate and roam a few different regions for a few hours. Black Rise -> Citadel -> Placid, for example.
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Haguu
Caldari School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2009.07.28 01:33:00 -
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Edited by: Haguu on 28/07/2009 01:34:49 Edited by: Haguu on 28/07/2009 01:34:11 Could I use an alt to see the universe?
I am unsure where to begin in EVE, but using the interim to train skills that should be fairly useful regardless. And I don't want to go exploring on my main pilot as I have some implants. My understanding is that I could get the standing to get a jump clone, but even so there seems to be a 24-hour time on that. I.e., I would be losing The implant bonuses for 24 hours, even if I went for a 1 minute joyride? Or I could just fly around in "safe" areas with implants until the inevitable happened and I had to replace them. :-)
So could I just get log onto a second, skillless alt and fly around? Is there anything bad that could happen? The alt would die of course but for those of us old enough to remember the song "freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose".
Thanks for the link above. Do bookmarks exist across pilots? I.e. could I use the alt to create the bookmarks used for fast undocking as describe in the wiki?
TIA
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Ben Derindar
Dirty Deeds Corp.
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Posted - 2009.07.28 02:07:00 -
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Originally by: Haguu I don't want to go exploring on my main pilot as I have some implants. My understanding is that I could get the standing to get a jump clone, but even so there seems to be a 24-hour time on that. I.e., I would be losing The implant bonuses for 24 hours, even if I went for a 1 minute joyride?
Correct, but to put that into perspective, you won't be losing any more than a few thousand SP a day without your implants, and most people measure their SP by the millions.
Even using the word "losing" can be misleading, depending on your point of view. Think of it instead as "trading" that handful of SP for an entire day of freedom to explore the universe. Pretty small price if you ask me. 
/Ben
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Agent Known
Apotheosis of Virtue
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Posted - 2009.07.28 02:11:00 -
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Originally by: Tau Cabalander Edited by: Tau Cabalander on 23/07/2009 21:04:59
You may want to take a visit to Providence, assuming you and your corporation are not on CVA's hate list, and your not Minmatar as they are an roleplaying alliance loyal to the Amarr Empress.
Abide by the Law of Greater Providence and CVA should leave you alone, though others may not.
AFAIK, CVA doesn't care if the character is Minmatar...they only shoot those in the Minmatar militia (mostly because they shoot first, but...whatever).
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Zartanic
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Posted - 2009.07.28 05:37:00 -
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Originally by: Haguu Edited by: Haguu on 28/07/2009 01:34:49 Edited by: Haguu on 28/07/2009 01:34:11 Could I use an alt to see the universe?
I am unsure where to begin in EVE, but using the interim to train skills that should be fairly useful regardless. And I don't want to go exploring on my main pilot as I have some implants. My understanding is that I could get the standing to get a jump clone, but even so there seems to be a 24-hour time on that. I.e., I would be losing The implant bonuses for 24 hours, even if I went for a 1 minute joyride? Or I could just fly around in "safe" areas with implants until the inevitable happened and I had to replace them. :-)
So could I just get log onto a second, skillless alt and fly around? Is there anything bad that could happen? The alt would die of course but for those of us old enough to remember the song "freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose".
Thanks for the link above. Do bookmarks exist across pilots? I.e. could I use the alt to create the bookmarks used for fast undocking as describe in the wiki?
TIA
Several times I've used an untrained alt to scout around using a Shuttle.
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g0ggalor
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Posted - 2009.07.28 19:01:00 -
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Check this out.
While it is a guide to beginning piracy, it has a lot of information about a newb surviving in low sec, and it will also show you what you are up against.
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Kapradian
Amarr Assisted Genocide
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Posted - 2009.07.29 03:58:00 -
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Ok i have trained a LOT of noobs up in my time (gota love noobs, they are so much more fun than old stuffy, boring players!)
Do this: 1) Search online for a good ship fit. 2) Find a good low sec system (any of the sugested), personaly i like "Ami" cos it quite at times and not to blobby. Good for learning and not far from the trade hub Amarr. 3) Find a map site like dotlands and do a print out of the region. This is very important! It stops you getting disoriantated and helps to keep you calm and focused and not thinking about not getting lost. Also i like to write on my printouts about different things in the area. 4) Fit up a ship and go roaming around! Try not to die (u will die, but you learn more by trying to avoid it). 5) RESEARCH!!!! You never stop learning in EvE... the games is so big and each area has completly differnt inhabitants.
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Shanur
Minmatar Republic Military School
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Posted - 2009.07.29 12:16:00 -
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Originally by: Kapradian u will die, but you learn more by trying to avoid it
That expression should be added to the rules of EVE, right under "Don't fly what you can't afford to replace". It's also a good rule of thumb for carebears with teeth.
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jst tstng
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Posted - 2009.07.29 13:37:00 -
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Open the star map and set destination to a deep 0.0 system close to your hisec. Check your clone is up to date. Insure a frigate and fly it to your destination. Be sure you go sight seeing along the way while still trying not to die. You will be surprised at how far you get, or not if you are unlucky.
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Iria Ahrens
Amarr 101st Space Marine Force Libertas Fidelitas
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Posted - 2009.07.29 20:19:00 -
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CVA won't shoot you in Providence because you're a minnie. You get shot by CVA for being red. Contact a diplomat before comming over to make sure you're not red.
There are roaming reds in Providence much of the time, so you'll still be at risk, just lower risk than in most other 0.0 regions. You'll also be at greater risk of being podded. Low sec there are no bubbles, so you only get podded in low sec due to lag or because you screwed up. Out here there are bubbles and that changes everything. --
Nobody expects the Amarr Inquisition!
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Cyprus Black
Caldari 4 wing Mostly Harmless
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Posted - 2009.07.29 23:48:00 -
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Edited by: Cyprus Black on 29/07/2009 23:50:03 Low sec "death" is usually a hit or miss. Usually low sec systems that border high sec systems are hot with activity while deep low sec systems are ghost towns.
Same with null sec too. Sometimes there are higher populations in one high sec system than twenty null sec systems combined. ______________ Some men aren't looking for anything logical, like money. They can't be bought, bullied, reasoned or negotiated with. Some men just want to watch the world burn. |

Draeklore
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Posted - 2009.07.30 14:37:00 -
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Originally by: Cipher7
Fit out a combat frigate and go into ammamake.
Rat in the belts for a while, sooner or later someone will jump you.
There's a local band of pirates there all in BC's that won't engage you unless it's like 5v1 (lol mirrorgod.)
Either escape or fight.
Don't engage ppl at gates unless they're flashy red, the gate guns will pwn you.
The nice thing about Amamake is it's like 2 jumps from Rens, a major trade hub, you can rearm and go back for more.
For your second lesson, take a combat frigate and fly to 9uy in Providence.
The locals won't kill you but roving enemies will.
Yea if there is such a thing as a carebear pirate that's it. Hang out in one low sec system with 5+ others and swarm people trying to do missions or rat. The only risk they run is if another corp baits them.
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Kor Eiros
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.07.30 20:18:00 -
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I know of a fun and productive way to experience lowsec that will also probably get you killed, if that's what youre looking for.
If you've already trained Astrometrics and have a set of scanner probes, you can find some lucrative deadspace sites by scanning in 0.3 or 0.4 systems (if not lower).
Killing the NPCs at these sites results in nice bounties and salvage. I've cleared several with a crusier, so you don't need an uber ship.
The great thing about this is you'll likely be distracted raking in the kills/loot while some random player stumbles across the same site/scans you down and blows you away.
If they do, there ya go: you just experienced pvp death in Eve. If you're left alone, you'll score some nice Isk and items.
There are much cheaper ways to die than sacrificing a cruiser, but this method is pretty fun if you're a gambler.
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Baelwuff
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Posted - 2009.07.30 20:41:00 -
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Personally, I use an untrained alt with no cash or SP (other than the default) in either the rookie ship you get free each time you die or in a cheap shuttle to scout around. You'll die to basically anyone who attacks you, but then again the same thing would happen in almost anything you can fly with your current training. You can do the same thing with a cheap combat frigate and be a 'little' more survivable, although the frigate does require at least some minimal SP investment and while the cost of frigates are minimal, after only two weeks its still likely a chunk of ISK for you right now. On the flip side, some folks venture into low sec on day 1 and never look back hooking up with one pirate crew or another. Just depends what you want to experience. If you've run the rookie mission arcs, I wouldn't advise doing it on your main unless you don't care about losing the 2 +1 implants you get there. My two cents anyhow.
Wuff
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