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Haans Emerich
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Posted - 2009.07.23 22:23:00 -
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over the last 10 days the price of tritanium has dropped 15% in heimatar
anyone know why? (apart from obvious supply / demand)
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2009.07.23 22:41:00 -
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Not this again. Isn't it general knowledge yet (as in, for at least 2 years now) that whenever highends tank, tritanium MUST go up, and vice-versa ?
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XXSketchxx
Gallente Remote Soviet Industries
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Posted - 2009.07.23 22:48:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T Not this again. Isn't it general knowledge yet (as in, for at least 2 years now) that whenever highends tank, tritanium MUST go up, and vice-versa ?
please elaborate for those of us that aren't as tuned in to the market/don't pay as close attention |
Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2009.07.24 00:23:00 -
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Old thread is old. But it was the place where the idea got rolling first (that post is the first one where it's almost spelled outright, but everything else might be a more or less interesting read, even if it's more than two years old), and it has since been accepted as "status quo".
Basically, we have so many minerals coming into the economy compared to liquid ISK being used that there's a constant push to have ship prices go down constantly... but once ship prices go below 70% of platinum insurance price, it becomes profitable to simply blow them up instead of selling them... so while ship prices are constantly being shoved downwards (barring sudden surges), they're also being propped up by a "hard bottom". Also, obviously, since there's a very limited profit margin possible before too many manufacturers start appearing out of the bushes, the MINERALS needed for ship building will have a similar (slightly lower) pricetag, but in the PROPORTIONS needed to build ships. Obviously, short-term, some fluctuations in the basket price of minerals can occur, but overall, the basket price of minerals hover around and slightly below the ship "platinum insurance scam" level, while ship prices do pretty much the same.
In other words... whenever ONE mineral goes up for any reason whatsoever... some OTHER mineral (or a group of other minerals) MUST go down... and vice-versa, when one goes down, another (or others) WILL go up - all of that because a fairly stable "mineral basket" price is always preserved (except right after a major expansion introducing new ships of course, prices spike high up right after, but they soon settle down again). It all becomes an issue of "what is suddendly more/less available compared to the rest"... whatever's more available compared to the others goes down, whatever's less available goes up... it's all about ratios, nothing more, nothing less.
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Steve Thomas
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Posted - 2009.07.24 01:58:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T Old thread is old.Basically, we have so many minerals coming into the economy compared to liquid ISK being used
this is most of the current problem with the EVE Economy.
Right now there is a bit of a problem with making ISK in that most of the ways of "makeing" ISK tend to also make its share of minerals and modules on the side. heck if they took out the npc "tradegoods" I suspect that all the mission running and ratting that would take place to replace hauling that crap would eventualy all but shut down mining for example. |
XFinanX
Emperor Throne
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Posted - 2009.07.24 04:26:00 -
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Well don't see much change : http://cerlestes.de/eve/oretable/pricetrend.php
maybe their data is not real average market price too |
Baka Lakadaka
Gallente Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
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Posted - 2009.07.24 05:33:00 -
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Edited by: Baka Lakadaka on 24/07/2009 05:34:25
Originally by: XFinanX Well don't see much change : http://cerlestes.de/eve/oretable/pricetrend.php
maybe their data is not real average market price too
Fixed the link. |
Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2009.07.24 12:30:00 -
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Originally by: XFinanX maybe their data is not real average market price too
It most certainly isn't. Take a look INSIDE the game EVE issues|Mining revamp|Build stuff|Make ISK |
Gabriel Rosencrantz
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Posted - 2009.07.24 16:34:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T Take a look INSIDE the game
This.
Someone convoed me the other night and tried to sell me 500mil units of trit at 3.90. When I said Jita was currently 3.71, he kept insisting that I read eve central to get the correct price. While I was sitting in Jita...
Honestly, if you didn't stockpile trit at a higher buy price, it doesn't much matter what the price is (ok, it doesn't much matter to mins traders). When the buy price drops, so does the sell price. I'm not making any less in profit margin than I did before the price fell. Actually, I'm making more! Thank you, panic sellers! |
Trebor DeCaldar
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.07.24 16:42:00 -
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Call me when it drops down to 2.0 p/u
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Demigarrus
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Posted - 2009.07.24 16:43:00 -
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if you want minerals and ores to be worth more, than people have to willing to pay more to get them which they rarely are
so they will only buy the cheapest ores and minerals leaving the people charging a bit more in the dust which in turn they must lower their prices to beat out the other guys
it's a vicious cycle but usually corrects itself
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Tau Cabalander
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.07.24 17:07:00 -
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I assume other miners like myself are looking at the price and have their pain threshold picked. When the price goes below that, I'll stop mining for Tritanium and / or just stockpile it.
Last time I looked, Plagioclase is starting to look good, with Kernite close behind.
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Hoo Is
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Posted - 2009.07.24 19:15:00 -
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all that plag in my hangar is looking real good right now
--------------- The Real Audrey Bitoni is hot This Capcha Sucks and is ineffective
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Nikolay Tesla
Minmatar Nomadic Angels
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Posted - 2009.07.25 00:17:00 -
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Originally by: Trebor DeCaldar Call me when it drops down to 2.0 p/u
No help from that. For example Raven... When trit was 2 ISK pu, Ravens were the same 84-95 m isk across the galaxy...
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Steve Thomas
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Posted - 2009.07.25 00:22:00 -
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Edited by: Steve Thomas on 25/07/2009 00:25:25 it always amazes me that most people dont get the basics
Buy low. . . . Sell high. . . . never try to play the market for short term gain unless you realy know what your doing and can prove it every day for the rest of your life.
Lets face it EVEs economy was ass riged to self manufacture boom and bust cycles. it will continue to do exactly that from now untill they shut down the servers for good or they decide to go in and fix the base problems with EvEs economy.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2009.07.25 11:28:00 -
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Originally by: Steve Thomas Lets face it EVEs economy was ass riged to self manufacture boom and bust cycles.
That's not exactly accurate... ALL unregulated economies are "rigged" to "manufacture" boom/bust cycles... and regulation only makes the cycles milder, IF PROPERLY APPLIED (if applied wrong, it can make them worse)... the real-world economy makes no exception from this very same rule.
EVE issues|Mining revamp|Build stuff|Make ISK |
Nova Nagling
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Posted - 2009.07.25 13:33:00 -
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yes...heimatar region is not friendly for trit now...but it will improve, i liked the recent trit boom
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XFinanX
Emperor Throne
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Posted - 2009.07.26 02:34:00 -
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well maybe it's just due of summer holidays ?
Also the price not drop as much as that's regarding old tri price ... it's still very high vs old price
Emperor Throne
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Taua Roqa
Minmatar Planet Roqa
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Posted - 2009.07.26 06:58:00 -
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it's a lot like traffic jams on motorways travelling backwards.
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Doddy
Omega Fleet Enterprises Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2009.07.26 08:30:00 -
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Edited by: Doddy on 26/07/2009 08:30:57 Surely rather than "trit has tanked" you mean "trit has started droppeing down to sane levels".
Other point is there are alot less cap fleets getting wiped out and needing instantly replaced these days.
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Avalon Champion
The Order of Odin
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Posted - 2009.07.26 10:55:00 -
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Originally by: Doddy Edited by: Doddy on 26/07/2009 08:30:57 Surely rather than "trit has tanked" you mean "trit has started droppeing down to sane levels".
Other point is there are alot less cap fleets getting wiped out and needing instantly replaced these days.
That might change with the new goon offensive that was announced a few days back.
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Dariah Stardweller
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Posted - 2009.07.26 17:47:00 -
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Originally by: Avalon Champion
Originally by: Doddy Edited by: Doddy on 26/07/2009 08:30:57 Surely rather than "trit has tanked" you mean "trit has started droppeing down to sane levels".
Other point is there are alot less cap fleets getting wiped out and needing instantly replaced these days.
That might change with the new goon offensive that was announced a few days back.
Where was that announced?
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Taua Roqa
Minmatar Planet Roqa
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Posted - 2009.07.26 19:27:00 -
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someone mentioned to me that people selling masses of easily mined trit to purchase higher end minerals would cause the price of trit to fall and a general excess was formed and that of higher ends, via the insurance mechanism, to thus increase.
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elgrebo
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Posted - 2009.07.26 20:40:00 -
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It might be something to do with the fact that in high sec roid fields are respawning every day no just twice a week. Therefore everyone goes into Miner frenxy, more ore and more resources dumped on market = lower market price for an easily available commodity. options are: 1. Wait it out 2. Sell sell sell
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Avalon Champion
The Order of Odin
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Posted - 2009.07.26 20:54:00 -
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Originally by: Dariah Stardweller
Originally by: Avalon Champion
Originally by: Doddy Edited by: Doddy on 26/07/2009 08:30:57 Surely rather than "trit has tanked" you mean "trit has started droppeing down to sane levels".
Other point is there are alot less cap fleets getting wiped out and needing instantly replaced these days.
That might change with the new goon offensive that was announced a few days back.
Where was that announced?
Heres the CAOD post http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1125294
and the GD post as well http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1127301
you never can tell with the goons, they may just be metagaming, but as two/three of the mentioned regions are held by Atlas, and -A-, it might be true. The other reason to believe that this will happen is that the two alliances in question were part of the GKC (or GBC) and so kenny friendly and may be offering safe haven to some of the core Kenny corps while they rebuild.
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Saehta
Sigillum Militum Xpisti Novus Ordo Mundi
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Posted - 2009.07.27 13:49:00 -
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You guys act like this is a bad thing...
and that it's permanent...
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Tharq Ruhr
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Posted - 2009.07.27 17:30:00 -
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Interesting thread, as I'm a noob, and posted an Eve Economics thread last night on the subject in order to try and understand it better.
Could it be anything to do with game promotions (boxed version) leading to new players (like me) who learn the basics of mining in the tutorials, then mine in order to earn ISK for skill books, leading to an increase in supply and drop in price.
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Steve Thomas
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Posted - 2009.07.27 18:45:00 -
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Originally by: Saehta You guys act like this is a bad thing...
and that it's permanent...
my plan for getting all thoes lazzy ass miners to do more mission and stop semi afk mining veildspar by coxing them into doing missions to do there mining of the mission roids is working!Muaaaaahaaaaaahaaaaaahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!
what?
honestly people if you did not see that one comeing your not paranoid enough to play EvE.
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Tharq Ruhr
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Posted - 2009.07.27 19:04:00 -
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Originally by: Steve Thomas
Originally by: Saehta You guys act like this is a bad thing...
and that it's permanent...
my plan for getting all thoes lazzy ass miners to do more mission and stop semi afk mining veildspar by coxing them into doing missions to do there mining of the mission roids is working!Muaaaaahaaaaaahaaaaaahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!
what?
honestly people if you did not see that one comeing your not paranoid enough to play EvE.
Regardless of whether that is true or not Steve... I love the attitude!
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Kazzac Elentria
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Posted - 2009.07.27 20:37:00 -
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Originally by: Tharq Ruhr Interesting thread, as I'm a noob, and posted an Eve Economics thread last night on the subject in order to try and understand it better.
Could it be anything to do with game promotions (boxed version) leading to new players (like me) who learn the basics of mining in the tutorials, then mine in order to earn ISK for skill books, leading to an increase in supply and drop in price.
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The supply and would have to be astronomical.
Just as an example, a single capital ship like a Thantos has on the order of 30% of its cost in Mex and 30% in trit. Thats 58m unit of trit and 5m units of mex.
For Mex thats around 18587 refine units of Plag or approx or in raw ore terms 6,189,591 units of plag.
Anyone feel like doing the hourly requirement for that?
We just recently experienced a shortage of mex bearing loot, you can debate the reasons for that elsewhere, but the end result is that there was a mex shortage. Demand is the same, so prices spike. Prices must flatten elsewhere since pye, iso, and noc are already at their bottom floor prices... hence we experience upward pressure on mega/zyd and downward slow pressure on trit since its still a heavy demand item. |
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