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Aus Dog	Posted - 2009.07.25 11:35:00 - [1] I am a 60 year old single man living with my beloved Australian Shepherd from whence comes the name of my character. I am still pretty Noob so if my questions seem mundane just cut me a little slack. I know the answer to PVE frigates that tickle your nose is Drones but Drones give me a pain since you have to wait for them to board when you have to bug-out. The only gun that will track them is a 200mm Scout which does no DPS at all and anything larger has pitiful tracking. I have looked at and tried Blasters and Railguns but you need coverage from 0-10km with good DPS and tracking and that doesn't seem to exist. I have improved the tracking skill to level 3 and will take it to 4. Any ideas for a Frigate Killer in PVE? "Owning a dog teaches a child Honesty, Loyalty, and to always circle three times before lying down".....Mark Twain
Benco97 Gallente	Posted - 2009.07.25 11:47:00 - [2] Look into a stasis webifier or tracking computers/tracking enhancers. The web will significantly reduce the orbiting speed of a frigate and as such let your guns hit much easier. Originally by: P'uck You're a DUMBASS - bold italic underline at the VERY LEAST.
Ras Blumin Mutated Miners Inc.	Posted - 2009.07.25 11:52:00 - [3] Move away from or towards the frigate and it will be easier to hit.
4THELULZ	Posted - 2009.07.25 11:53:00 - [4] I'd recommend the assault missile (not heavy assault) Caracal. Mows them down easily at long ranges with no tracking issues whatsoever.
Nai Weil Caldari Tupperware Party Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2009.07.25 12:09:00 - [5] You don't really mention your preference of ship class. If all you want is to kill frigates, a Destroyer can be very effective. Just fit 8 75mm gatling railguns on a Catalyst and it'll pop frigates easily. Or use Light Ion blasters for shorter range, but coupled with a web no frigate has a chance of orbiting you and living. You can do the same with a Cormorant (less one gun), a Coercer with 8 medium beams or dual-light pulses, or a Thrasher with 8 artillery or autocannons.
Weight What	Posted - 2009.07.25 12:16:00 - [6] Hullo Anus Dog ----------------------------------------------- Annonymous, trading as "Weight What".
Granth Roden	Posted - 2009.07.25 12:19:00 - [7] I have no idea what you're flying but: Webs stack. 2 on a drone, blow guns, next. It will go very fast even with heavy guns. You just have to sit still so your own movement does not ruin things.
Sera Ryskin	Posted - 2009.07.25 13:00:00 - [8] Drones. End of discussion. (PS: your trolling efforts are getting lamer and lamer. I suggest you go back to WoW, the players there are a lot dumber and easier to fool.) ========== Merin is currently enjoying a 14 day vacation from the forums. Until she returns, you've got me to entertain you!
Sokratesz Rionnag Alba Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2009.07.25 13:02:00 - [9] 180mm vagabond with 2x tracking rigs + 5 warrior II's 400 dps with awesome speed and tracking
Gavin DeVries	Posted - 2009.07.25 13:13:00 - [10] Are you still flying that Maelstrom? By design battleship guns have problems hitting small fast ships. By design battleship missile launchers just don't work on small fast ships (unless you train skills and fit rigs especially for this). There are really 3 ways to deal with frigates using a battleship: 1) Use drones on them. This isn't quite as big a deal as it seems, because the frigates come to you. Just wait until they're close, stick light drones on them, and they die. Important point, use LIGHT drones. 2) Shoot them at (very) long range. Gun mechanics mean that both signature radius and tracking cause you to miss frigates a lot with battleship guns. If you target the frigates and shoot them while they are way off, the distance means the tracking is minimal and thus you eliminate the biggest penalty. 3) You have to use skills/modules to counter the things that are making you miss. Target painters make the signature radius larger. Webs slow them down. Both make it easier for your guns to track them. Tracking computers and enhancers will improve the tracking on your guns. These plus the gunnery support skills and the skills to use the mods/rigs will help. If you don't do this, frigates will always be your nemesis. ______________________________________________________ Isn't it enough to know that I ruined a pony making a gift for you?
Sokratesz Rionnag Alba Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2009.07.25 13:21:00 - [11] Originally by: Gavin DeVries .. In pvp, add heavy neut and frig pilots will go boo-hoo.
Shan'Talasha Mea'Questa Minmatar The Perfect Harvesting Experience	Posted - 2009.07.25 14:42:00 - [12] Originally by: Sokratesz Originally by: Gavin DeVries .. In pvp, add heavy neut and frig pilots will go boo-hoo. What they said. ----------------------------------------------- Originally by: Paper Rock's fine, nerf Scissors
Gavin DeVries	Posted - 2009.07.25 15:52:00 - [13] He's not asking about PvP; he's asking about countering frigates in PvE. ______________________________________________________ Isn't it enough to know that I ruined a pony making a gift for you?
Sokratesz Rionnag Alba Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2009.07.25 16:25:00 - [14] Originally by: Gavin DeVries He's not asking about PvP; he's asking about countering frigates in PvE. Let me give you a short guide in reading comprehension: Originally by: Sokratesz Originally by: Gavin DeVries .. In pvp, add heavy neut and frig pilots will go boo-hoo. The guy above me listed many ways of countering frigates in pve, so I added one good way of doing it in pvp, while clearly listing so.
Aus Dog	Posted - 2009.07.30 00:44:00 - [15] Some great ideas. It seems it depends on what the mission writer has written the frigates. The worst offenders are Gallente Support frigates. I just did it again and as I approached I told my Raven to keep current distance which happened to be 13km. Good Luck. Until I set all four Arbalest Heavies with CN missiles on one frigate with a Tracking Beam (Phased Weapon etc) it got them after about 200 missiles each. The four 425mm Scouts couldn't hit one round. Amazing because now that I have trained up the appropriate skills anything coming inside 10km is one or the other. Instantly dead or untouchable. No mid-ground at all. Even the Rat drones or frigates take about two bursts of Med Plasma to blow up. The webifier is a great idea and I thank you all...well most. At least one fool in every bunch. "Owning a dog teaches a child Honesty, Loyalty, and to always circle three times before lying down".....Mark Twain
Karl Luckner	Posted - 2009.07.30 03:37:00 - [16] Originally by: Aus Dog Some great ideas. It seems it depends on what the mission writer has written the frigates. The worst offenders are Gallente Support frigates. I just did it again and as I approached I told my Raven to keep current distance which happened to be 13km. Good Luck. Until I set all four Arbalest Heavies with CN missiles on one frigate with a Tracking Beam (Phased Weapon etc) it got them after about 200 missiles each. The four 425mm Scouts couldn't hit one round. Amazing because now that I have trained up the appropriate skills anything coming inside 10km is one or the other. Instantly dead or untouchable. No mid-ground at all. Even the Rat drones or frigates take about two bursts of Med Plasma to blow up. The webifier is a great idea and I thank you all...well most. At least one fool in every bunch. Mkay. I really think you are trolling. Just in case you are serious, get a set of 5 Hobgoblin II light drones + a set of 5 Hammerhead II. And, if you are running level 2/3 missions with this Raven, get a Drake instead.
Aus Dog	Posted - 2009.07.30 08:03:00 - [17] I have no idea what trolling is and don't really care because I don't waste your time or my time with garbage. Really is amazing because once these frigates get close enuff to lock into their close circular orbit even best named webifier won't let guns touch them. Just have to throw enuff DPS with heavies to pop them. Drones are no fun to me. When my guns catch them coming in they die very quickly. Inside 1000m forget it. Made sense to me that the webifier would be their demise but oh no laser breath(me). Still training up applicable skills like Surgical Strike and Motion Prediction is up to 4. Go Figure. "Owning a dog teaches a child Honesty, Loyalty, and to always circle three times before lying down".....Mark Twain
fuxinos Caldari Guys 0f Sarcasm	Posted - 2009.07.30 09:16:00 - [18] Originally by: Aus Dog I have no idea what trolling is and don't really care because I don't waste your time or my time with garbage. Really is amazing because once these frigates get close enuff to lock into their close circular orbit even best named webifier won't let guns touch them. Just have to throw enuff DPS with heavies to pop them. Drones are no fun to me. When my guns catch them coming in they die very quickly. Inside 1000m forget it. Made sense to me that the webifier would be their demise but oh no laser breath(me). Still training up applicable skills like Surgical Strike and Motion Prediction is up to 4. Go Figure. Trolling is posting nonsense or provoking things, just dont bother, its pretty common in this forum that people call everything and everyone a troll.
Aus Dog	Posted - 2009.07.30 13:04:00 - [19] Thx for the info on Trolls. What a stupid thing to do. Almost as stupid as people that attack people they don't even know. The crazy agent ran the 3 parter a second time back to back that has those blasted Gallente Support Frigates. Motion Prediction is good, finishing Surgical Strike now and the list goes on. The Webifier visually slowed them but obviously the person that wrote the program gave them attributes of being almost bulletproof. Having to put 4 Arbalest launchers with CN Heavies on the same frigate to kill him is absurd. I just added Fourier Tracking boost and we'll see.And incidentally that's a cost of 54k isk per frigate to kill them. The pay ain't near that good. "Owning a dog teaches a child Honesty, Loyalty, and to always circle three times before lying down".....Mark Twain
Absalom Marathon The Athiest Syndicate Advocated Destruction	Posted - 2009.07.30 13:15:00 - [20] You should really join a corp mate.
Zhilia Mann	Posted - 2009.07.30 15:16:00 - [21] Originally by: Aus Dog Some great ideas. It seems it depends on what the mission writer has written the frigates. The worst offenders are Gallente Support frigates. I just did it again and as I approached I told my Raven to keep current distance which happened to be 13km. Good Luck. Until I set all four Arbalest Heavies with CN missiles on one frigate with a Tracking Beam (Phased Weapon etc) it got them after about 200 missiles each. The four 425mm Scouts couldn't hit one round. Amazing because now that I have trained up the appropriate skills anything coming inside 10km is one or the other. Instantly dead or untouchable. No mid-ground at all. Even the Rat drones or frigates take about two bursts of Med Plasma to blow up. The webifier is a great idea and I thank you all...well most. At least one fool in every bunch. I don't know if you are who you say you are. It doesn't really matter. Bottom line; you've chosen not to accept the advice you've been offered. If you have heavies on a Raven, You're Doing It Wrong. If you don't have drone skills that can take down frigates, You're Doing It Wrong. If you're flying a BS of any sort other than a Dominix (and I have my doubts about that) in L3s, You're Doing It Wrong. Something is wrong. You're asking the forums for advice without giving full information about what you're trying to do and how you're fitting whatever ship you might be flying. Hell, you're barely disclosing that. If you want constructive feedback, try to earn it. In the meantime, fly a Drake and stick with L3s. Possibly in lowsec? They pay better....
Gartel Reiman Civis Romanus Sum Pax Romana Alliance	Posted - 2009.07.30 15:51:00 - [22] It's light drones. You're not going to be able to hit frigates reliably with any medium- or large-sized weapons by design. It doesn't matter whether drones are "fun to you" or not, they're your only real option here. Is failing to kill frigates with battleship weapons more fun? And if you fit and fly your ship well, you won't have to bail, making the drones returning time a non-issue. Plus light drones are really really fast anyway.
Andarin Theyliss Caldari	Posted - 2009.07.30 15:54:00 - [23] Edited by: Andarin Theyliss on 30/07/2009 15:56:59 Originally by: Aus Dog Thx for the info on Trolls. What a stupid thing to do. Almost as stupid as people that attack people they don't even know. The crazy agent ran the 3 parter a second time back to back that has those blasted Gallente Support Frigates. Motion Prediction is good, finishing Surgical Strike now and the list goes on. The Webifier visually slowed them but obviously the person that wrote the program gave them attributes of being almost bulletproof. Having to put 4 Arbalest launchers with CN Heavies on the same frigate to kill him is absurd. I just added Fourier Tracking boost and we'll see.And incidentally that's a cost of 54k isk per frigate to kill them. The pay ain't near that good. To give you the benefit of the doubt, I'll try to help where others have apparently failed, and explain things in relatively simple terms. If you choose not to accept this advice, that is your choice. There are four 'sizes' of weapons. Frigate (Small), Cruiser (Medium), Battleship (Large), Capital (Capital). Each size category is specifically designed to fire at and damage other ships of the same size category, with only few exceptions (Based on your lack of knowledge of the game mechanics, don't worry about those exceptions right now. Just learn the basics first). All weapons have a harder chance of hitting ships smaller than the size category of the weapon, with the difficulty increasing the smaller the ship is in comparison with the weapon. This is a fact of the game. If you do not like this, I strongly urge you to find another game to play. With this in mind, attempting to use battleship sized weapons on a frigate (Especially an 'elite' frigate) is a lesson in futility. The weapons will either not be able to hit them, or do such pitifully low damage, that you will, as you found out, be wasting so much ammunition, that you spend more than you gain. You could fit a smaller weapon on your battleship to better attack these targets, however you are limited in the number of weapon systems you can fit on your ship, and fitting smaller weapons means you'll do less damage against larger targets, such as other Battleships. Cruisers (Not all), Battlecruisers and Battleships specifically have a drone bay for this very reason. Drones are a point defense system designed to allow a Battleship to properly engage smaller targets that their primary weapon systems are ineffective against. I am well aware of your distaste of drones, however your choice not to use them doesn't change the way the game functions. Frigates aren't going away. They appear in every level of mission, and are quite common in PvP (Assumption, as I don't PvP, however I hear about them all the time). These are the following options you have, as a Battleship pilot, to effectively engage frigates, without compromising your larger ship's primary purpose: - Drones. - Bring a friend/second account in a smaller ship designed to engage frigates. - Dock, grab another ship capable of engaging frigates. - (Feel free to add to this list, people)
Opertone Caldari Monsters	Posted - 2009.07.30 18:32:00 - [24] frigate killer Thrasher, destroyer features 280 mm Howitzer artillery II... insane alpha damage and range of 30 kms easily! Instantly kills frigates all all sorts of interceptors [Thrasher, New Setup 1] Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Gistii B-Type Small Shield Booster F-90 Positional Sensor Subroutines F-90 Positional Sensor Subroutines 280mm Howitzer Artillery II, EMP S 280mm Howitzer Artillery II, EMP S 280mm Howitzer Artillery II, EMP S 280mm Howitzer Artillery II, EMP S 280mm Howitzer Artillery II, EMP S 280mm Howitzer Artillery II, EMP S 280mm Howitzer Artillery II, EMP S [empty high slot] [empty rig slot] [empty rig slot] [empty rig slot] +3% 'Squire' PG4 Caracal with standard assault missile launchers [Caracal, New Setup 1] Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II F-90 Positional Sensor Subroutines F-90 Positional Sensor Subroutines 10MN Afterburner II Large Shield Extender II Gistii B-Type Small Shield Booster Assault Missile Launcher II, Bloodclaw Light Missile Assault Missile Launcher II, Bloodclaw Light Missile Assault Missile Launcher II, Bloodclaw Light Missile Assault Missile Launcher II, Bloodclaw Light Missile Assault Missile Launcher II, Bloodclaw Light Missile Hydraulic Bay Thrusters I Hydraulic Bay Thrusters I Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Opertone Caldari Monsters	Posted - 2009.07.30 18:45:00 - [25] if you are flying a raven, then two 200 mm autocannons or two medium pulse lasers II may help in taking down stupid close range frigates. But this applies for lvl 4s, where you can't use smart bombs, or you've lost your small drones. Warriors II, hobgoblins II x5 are best at taking down nasty interceptors and assault frigates. [Raven, New Setup 1] Capacitor Flux Coil II Capacitor Flux Coil II Capacitor Flux Coil II Capacitor Flux Coil II Damage Control II Large Shield Booster II 'Stalwart' I Particle Field Magnifier Invulnerability Field II Invulnerability Field II Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron Invulnerability Field II 'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Paradise Cruise Missile 'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Paradise Cruise Missile 'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Paradise Cruise Missile 'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Paradise Cruise Missile 'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Paradise Cruise Missile 'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Paradise Cruise Missile Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch S Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch S Warhead Rigor Catalyst I Warhead Rigor Catalyst I Capacitor Control Circuit I Hobgoblin II x5 Hammerhead II x5 generic beginner raven, it will annihilate small stuff that comes your way
Fearr Dorchaa	Posted - 2009.07.31 15:24:00 - [26] Edited by: Fearr Dorchaa on 31/07/2009 15:24:57 Originally by: Opertone frigate killer Thrasher, destroyer features 280 mm Howitzer artillery II... insane alpha damage and range of 30 kms easily! Instantly kills frigates all all sorts of interceptors [Thrasher, New Setup 1] Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Gistii B-Type Small Shield Booster F-90 Positional Sensor Subroutines F-90 Positional Sensor Subroutines 280mm Howitzer Artillery II, EMP S 280mm Howitzer Artillery II, EMP S 280mm Howitzer Artillery II, EMP S 280mm Howitzer Artillery II, EMP S 280mm Howitzer Artillery II, EMP S 280mm Howitzer Artillery II, EMP S 280mm Howitzer Artillery II, EMP S [empty high slot] [empty rig slot] [empty rig slot] [empty rig slot] +3% 'Squire' PG4 Caracal with standard assault missile launchers I'm liking this thrasher fit from a purely unexpected point of view - if i was out in my inty and saw a thrasher sitting 100km off a gate id go straight for him and would not be expecting an arty fit edit: whats an austrailian sheperd?
Regat Kozovv Caldari Alcothology	Posted - 2009.07.31 15:36:00 - [27] I wonder if it's the same Aus Dog. External Link
Fearr Dorchaa	Posted - 2009.07.31 15:56:00 - [28] Originally by: Regat Kozovv I wonder if it's the same Aus Dog. External Link busted troll is busted?
mojogore	Posted - 2009.07.31 16:04:00 - [29] Light Drones for frigs if your doing lvl 3 missions in a battleship or get another account and 2 box a cruiser after your main ship grabs aggro.
Aus Dog	Posted - 2009.08.01 16:33:00 - [30] I'm the only ausdog that I know of:) I should think you could tell from clues in my writing. Anyway it's me, love me or don't. No diff to me. And I really don't ignore advice given in a constructive manner. I know a lot of the things are true but it's fun for me to figure a different way to get from A to B. And actually I am doing only level 2's as it is better for my beat-up heart. I have trained up Motion Prediction, Surgical Strike and any others to help this problem. Put on an 8% boost to Tracking item in lo-slot. I begrudge the loss of a Med slot but as soon as training is completed an Optical Tracking Computer with Tracking script should finish the job with a 24% boost to tracking speed. When they hit the 425mm Scout cannon with Phased Plasma do a neat insta-pop on anything inside 10km. All the effort is paying off as they are doing WAY better at tracking. I was amazed that the webifier wasn't the 100% answer. I am not driven to master level 4 or 5. Just to have fun. And I have quit fooling with Torps and Cruzers on frigates. Indeed they do virtually nothing. Talked to a fellow in local and he didn't want to believe that but thanks to you guys I learned. Thanks. Aus "Owning a dog teaches a child Honesty, Loyalty, and to always circle three times before lying down".....Mark Twain
Aus Dog	Posted - 2009.08.01 16:38:00 - [31] Regat. What's your point? I did get a virus from a download one way or the other and it wasn't nice. No I don't float around in forums aimlessly causing trouble. That's not my idea of fun. "Owning a dog teaches a child Honesty, Loyalty, and to always circle three times before lying down".....Mark Twain
Aus Dog	Posted - 2009.08.01 20:08:00 - [32] And Regat if having posted to more than one forum guarantees my admission into Trolldom, by all means go drag up my old posts to Corsair Memory and Warbirds. I think I had a few to a motherboard forum but don't remember the name. That should be enough to keep you happy for a while. "Owning a dog teaches a child Honesty, Loyalty, and to always circle three times before lying down".....Mark Twain

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