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Raavanan
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Posted - 2009.07.25 15:09:00 -
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Edited by: Raavanan on 25/07/2009 15:13:12 I've trained for caldari t2 frigs and am planning to go for HACs as my next goal. Problem is, as far as i've seen or read, no one has good opinion abt caldari hacs, so i want to know which race is good in HAC aspect?
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Bibbleibble
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Posted - 2009.07.25 15:10:00 -
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Originally by: Raavanan
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Rexthor Hammerfists
Rage of Inferno Minor Threat.
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Posted - 2009.07.25 15:40:00 -
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Caldari hacs are actually quite good, cerbs make good longrange hacs and so does the eagle - which is what hacs are mostly used for these days. The cerbcan also fits into smaller gangs, and if youre in a quiter area where getting blobbed isnt that likely the blaster eagle does a okish job as well.
Performance wise caldari ships are just on par, but imo other races are just more fun to fly, especially minmatar. The vaga is a frig on steroids and the munnin makes an excellent snipehac hac. Plus i personnaly just love acs and arties for some reason ;) -
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Omarvelous
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Posted - 2009.07.25 17:21:00 -
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I love the Cerb.
5x Heavy Missile II
10MN Microwarp Drive I Invulnerability Field II Large Shield Extender II Sensor Booster II (range script) Conjunctive Gravimetric ECCM (for anti-Rook/Falcon) OR Target Painter II for killing of interceptors/assault frigs
3x Ballistic Control II Signal Amplifier II or a warded gravimetric ECCM
2x Hydraulic Bay Thruster I
In gangs you can lock and shoot to 221km with almost 400 dps (you can get 400 with implants).
You shoot farther than most ships and use the Microwarp drive to keep it that way.
Even if you're closer to the fight and you're hovering around 100km, the hydraulic bay thrusters keep your missiles going over 10,000 m/s so they dont take long to reach the tackled target.
I've used the target painter to shrug off interceptors with faction heavy missiles. Considering you can shoot further than most ECM jammers - Ive found the eccm not as useful these days, and I stick with target painting.
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Sokratesz
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Posted - 2009.07.25 17:57:00 -
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Cerb is good from what I heard (my alt can fly one for a few days now but seen no action yet), but if you're into solo fast paced action (the 'unreal tournament' side of Eve, a vaga is never gonna give you up nor let you down.
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Ghoest
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Posted - 2009.07.25 18:11:00 -
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Edited by: Ghoest on 25/07/2009 18:13:18 Caldari HACs are good at stuff that isnt worth doing.
Super long range sniping with a medium guns - the Eagle is the best. But do you really want to do that much?
Killing frigs fast with a HAC - The Cerb with assult launchers is great at this but do you want to fly a ship just for that?
Long range missile sniping - The Cerb is great for this too, but long range missile sniping is ret arded most the time.
EDIT: You can fit a Caldari HAC to handle some other roles but it wonmt be good it will be passable.
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Omarvelous
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Posted - 2009.07.25 18:15:00 -
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Originally by: Ghoest Edited by: Ghoest on 25/07/2009 18:13:18 Caldari HACs are good at stuff that isnt worth doing.
Super long range sniping with a medium guns - the Eagle is the best. But do you really want to do that much?
Killing frigs fast with a HAC - The Cerb with assult launchers is great at this but do you want to fly a ship just for that?
Long range missile sniping - The Cerb is great for this too, but long range missile sniping is ret arded most the time.
EDIT: You can fit a Caldari HAC to handle some other roles but it wonmt be good it will be passable.
Try telling that to recon/HAC/command ship pilots I've downed with a Cerb. In a small gang - a delay for missiles reaching targets isn't crippling like it would be for blobs.
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Sera Ryskin
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Posted - 2009.07.25 18:20:00 -
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Whoever said the Cerb can only snipe clearly never flew a HAM Cerb. 550 dps at 40km. Enough said.
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Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Terror Rage Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Terror Rage Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Terror Rage Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Terror Rage Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Terror Rage Assault Missile Small Unstable Power Fluctuator I
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Sokratesz
Rionnag Alba Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2009.07.25 18:22:00 -
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With 2x hydraulic bay thrusters, heavy missiles ona cerb go 10km/s which is great for short/midrange.
People I spoke weren't fans of the HAM cerb for lack of range and damage against cruisers and smaller.
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Ghoest
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Posted - 2009.07.25 19:09:00 -
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Originally by: Omarvelous
Originally by: Ghoest Edited by: Ghoest on 25/07/2009 18:13:18 Caldari HACs are good at stuff that isnt worth doing.
Super long range sniping with a medium guns - the Eagle is the best. But do you really want to do that much?
Killing frigs fast with a HAC - The Cerb with assult launchers is great at this but do you want to fly a ship just for that?
Long range missile sniping - The Cerb is great for this too, but long range missile sniping is ret arded most the time.
EDIT: You can fit a Caldari HAC to handle some other roles but it wonmt be good it will be passable.
Try telling that to recon/HAC/command ship pilots I've downed with a Cerb. In a small gang - a delay for missiles reaching targets isn't crippling like it would be for blobs.
Probably half the kills in EVE, are made ship that that isnt the best one for the job. That doesnt mean all ships are equal.
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Jotobar
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Posted - 2009.07.25 22:13:00 -
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the only way is up.
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ReePeR McAllem
The Carebear Stare
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Posted - 2009.07.26 01:23:00 -
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I treat HAC's as a distance fighting class ship in eve, too expensive for upfront muscle. Great at picking off targets and getting out.
I'm an ammatar pilot zealot is reasonable at sniping, reasonable for taking ceptors out but struggles within 35km tbh. And vaga is pretty good also, but is a bit gimped due to engagement range.
A friend of mine flys the cerb, and it is insane. Can take out any ceptor outthere with its smaller missiles, and can do a nice 450dps at increadible range with heavy's. All the while having great speed and a reasonable tank
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Wideen
Warped Mining Strip Mining Club
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Posted - 2009.07.26 02:05:00 -
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problem with caldari hacs is that people think they make good solo boats which they don't
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BuckStrider
Wreckless Abandon Minor Threat.
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Posted - 2009.07.26 02:12:00 -
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Originally by: Sokratesz With 2x hydraulic bay thrusters, heavy missiles ona cerb go 10km/s which is great for short/midrange.
People I spoke weren't fans of the HAM cerb for lack of range and damage against cruisers and smaller.
^ ^ This (and I'm a dedicated cerb pilot)
HAMS on a Cerb is just bad...Yeah, it does alot of DPS but really only to bigger ships. Anything that has any speed will pretty easily avoid or seriously mitigate the damage.
Range is also a really big issue...While the Cerb can take some punishment, it was no way ever designed to be a close range ship, you just get WTFPWNED
HML are a different story...Nope, can't do over 500dps with them, but I can do over 400 (and that's plenty in a gang) and can hit you from 0 - 166.5km (that's as far as I can target in my standard config). With HML you'll also also take advantage of the Guided Missile Precision skill (HAMS don't use this), so against smaller /faster ships, you'll do WAY better and totally obliterate any Matari HAC/Recon such as a vagabond or rapier/huggin.
Cerbs can also fit a good array of EW, such as TPs or sensor damps.
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fuxinos
Caldari Guys 0f Sarcasm
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Posted - 2009.07.26 02:30:00 -
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Eagle is for extrem ranges, but it gets outclassed by any sniper bs and sniper bs are way cheaper due to insurance :S.
Cerberus kinda lost its only role with the Caldari recon nerf.
Ryskins Heavy Assault Cerb fitting is just fail either and any competent Zealot pilot is going to make short work of you.
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OninoTimmo
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Posted - 2009.07.26 03:28:00 -
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Edited by: OninoTimmo on 26/07/2009 03:28:55 for HACs:
Minmatar > Amarr > Caldari >>>>>>>>>>> Gallente
Vagabonds are the best gank ship in the game. Muninns are great snipers that can alpha frigate-sized ships and two-shot dictors. Zealots are better snipers than Muninns but if you train for Minmatar HACs, you also get the Vagabond which is why I rated Minmatar above Amarr. Cerbs and Eagles are alright, but Minmatar and Amarr HACs can do everything they can except better. Gallente HACs are worthless.
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Dirk Magnum
Royal Hiigaran Navy
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Posted - 2009.07.26 03:33:00 -
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Cerberus is very user-friendly. Easily the most simple of all the HACs to use, edging out the Sac due to the Sac's comparatively limited missile range.
Eagle is unique and can avoid incoming fire from everything but sniper-fit ships. But it's limited damage in sniper form has its obvious drawbacks. Blaster Eagle is fun though. I've used it and I approve of it.
Would still pick the Cerb over the Eagle though if someone offered to replace either my Cerb or Eagle but not both
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Cpl Punnishment
Caldari Steel Fleet
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Posted - 2009.07.26 19:48:00 -
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Edited by: Cpl Punnishment on 26/07/2009 19:50:07 I fly both Cerbs and Sacs. Many people that use missile end up training both ships. They each do what the other is not good at. I use the Cerb at Medium distance and use MWD to help dictate range when needed. You only have to set up at Max range a few times to realize how boring that is. Your fleet will kill the target and you will have a nice long stream of Heavy Missiles on a road to nowhere. Every onece in a while you might find something you can chase away at those ranges, but not that often. Its a fun support DPS ship with range capabilities.
To me, the Sac can be more fun to fly. You DO have to manage more with the Sac. Med. armor reppers, Cap, reloading Cap Charges. But it is not that bad. The upside is that the Sac can tackle and web things and it doesn't go down easy. It makes for a great back up heavy tackler. And the Sac has the slot layout to be used for solo work.
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Omarvelous
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Posted - 2009.07.26 20:35:00 -
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Originally by: Sera Ryskin Whoever said the Cerb can only snipe clearly never flew a HAM Cerb. 550 dps at 40km. Enough said.
[Cerberus, HAM] Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Reactor Control Unit II
Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive Small Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 200 Large Shield Extender II Target Painter II Republic Fleet Warp Disruptor
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Terror Rage Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Terror Rage Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Terror Rage Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Terror Rage Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Terror Rage Assault Missile Small Unstable Power Fluctuator I
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I don't like HAM Cerbs because HAM Drakes seem to do the job better. However if your goal is to stay away and shoot - could a Drake with Hydraulic bay Thrusters and HAM II's work? Just seems cheaper and harder hitting. *shrug*
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Shate Def
The Order of Chivalry Nex Eternus
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Posted - 2009.07.26 21:43:00 -
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Originally by: OninoTimmo Gallente HACs are worthless.
lol? ishtar is awesome, deimos aswell with proper logistics support. get a clue how to use them.
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BuckStrider
Wreckless Abandon Minor Threat.
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Posted - 2009.07.26 21:48:00 -
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If you run the HAM Drake, you'll have to pull the Warp Disruptor off to be able to fit the 2 missile range rigs....You'll hit out to around 26km.
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Nikolay Tesla
Minmatar Nomadic Angels
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Posted - 2009.07.26 23:06:00 -
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Only good HACs are Vagabond, Ishtar and Zealot. Period.
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Nikolay Tesla
Minmatar Nomadic Angels
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Posted - 2009.07.26 23:07:00 -
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Originally by: Sera Ryskin Whoever said the Cerb can only snipe clearly never flew a HAM Cerb. 550 dps at 40km. Enough said.
[Cerberus, HAM] Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Reactor Control Unit II
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Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Terror Rage Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Terror Rage Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Terror Rage Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Terror Rage Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Terror Rage Assault Missile Small Unstable Power Fluctuator I
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