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Night Nurse	Posted - 2009.07.29 01:38:00 - [1] Right, we have a small problem with a small corp of rather high skilled pilots spoiling our pew fun. They like to fly very quick Curses in a gang of 4-5 with support that like to make mincemeat of our gangs. If we engage the feckers with too much they just run, if we engage with a reasonable amount, as soon as we start damaging one curse they MWD outta range and come back etc etc, very hard to keep primaries. Fairly smart guys, they instantly go for any falcons etc. Also like to have an out of corp Damnation sitting outside a station for bonuses. Can you recommend a good gang setup, say 5-6 people to take out these Curses? Struggling to find a counter that will get them to engage without scaring them off...
Commander Yassir Dirt Nap Squad	Posted - 2009.07.29 02:21:00 - [2] To repel curses I believe you need the head of an indecently clothed plumber, a bag of neut brains, and a rope made out of the wrinkles of a bulldog, then you dance in a circle, going wideshines, while chanting: Coca Cola, Coca Cola, Coca Cola, PEPSI That, should do it. ~ The man who smiles when things go wrong has thought of someone to blame it on.
BigBobbom	Posted - 2009.07.29 02:26:00 - [3] 4 BS remote rep setup, injectors with 2 large smart bombs each. Arazu with warp scrams, or a couple of rapiers to keep them from running away
Sera Ryskin	Posted - 2009.07.29 03:51:00 - [4] Edited by: Sera Ryskin on 29/07/2009 03:52:32 1) Drake(s). 2) Suicide interceptors to tackle a single Curse. Killing them is the hard part, unless the Curse pilot completely screws up, they're going to be watching for ships that are a threat and simply refuse to engage if you bring too many of them. Your best bet is to force a situation (gate fight, black ops, logon trap, etc) where you can bait them into engaging a smaller force and then ambush them with overwhelming firepower. Of course if you just need to force them to disengage, just bring a Drake or two. ========== Merin is currently enjoying a 14 day vacation from the forums. Until she returns, you've got me to entertain you!
Skallebank Minmatar Insidious Existence RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2009.07.29 11:12:00 - [5] drakes and intys may work , but 3-5 curse's will pop even passive tank drakes fairly fast. the curse is a hard ship to fight imo. rr neut domi's could be the go , setup right they have the tank neuts ect to counteract the curse's . then u just need something to catch them with. another thing that could work is sniper hacs+ tacklers and a falcon or scorp . People like this are hard to beat , because they should know when to gtfo . So u need to bait them into engaging then get at least one pointed and webbed-jammed off gate/station. My grammer and spelling arn't perfect,.deal with it.
Dirk Magnum Royal Hiigaran Navy	Posted - 2009.07.29 11:49:00 - [6] The remote rep Domis sounds like a solid option. The players who can't use Domis should probably be in Drakes to keep pressure on. Anyone left over should be a suicide tackler. If they can hold one Curse in place for just a few seconds Drakes and Domi drones should tear it apart. They'll have to kill two Domis or a Domi and two Drakes to balance the ISK lost from each Curse, so over time this is going to become quite annoying. Although large smartbombs should eliminate the drone threat at first, the Curse pilots will eventually counter by parking a neutral alt within your smartbomb radius before engaging. It's taking ridiculous advantage of game mechanics but it's not really something that could be petitioned.
Neacail	Posted - 2009.07.29 12:07:00 - [7] Snipers. I've done this myself. Get them to engage, and well placed snipers will take out a curse before it warps out. Sure, you need a bunch of them, but it works. The amount of ships needed really depends on how they are fitted, though. You mentioned "very quick" Curses, which suggests shield tanks, but you also mentioned a Damnation, which suggests armor. If the former, 5 apocs with aurora should pop a curse in two volleys - they would lock the curse in about 3 seconds, and the second volley is in 6.6 seconds, so if they are as good as they say (curse aligns between 5 to 8 seconds), you might want to send in cheap suicide tacklers with cap boosters (T1 frigs would do the trick). If the latter, then you need far more ships, and keep in mind the slower lock time. The above, of course, assumes a range of 160km+. You can easily switch to closer range faction ammo and greatly reduce the amount of ships needed for this. Something else you can try is as many missile ships as you can field. You'll need to bait them, but with proper target calling, it's very hard for a curse to escape (they aren't exactly known for their tanks) before it pops.
Gartel Reiman Civis Romanus Sum Pax Romana Alliance	Posted - 2009.07.29 12:59:00 - [8] Originally by: Skallebank drakes and intys may work , but 3-5 curse's will pop even passive tank drakes fairly fast Curses actually have pretty low damage output; around 200 DPS from the drones, and between 0-100 extra DPS from missiles depending on how many launchers are fitted. And while they'd probably still take out Drakes, surely you're not considering taking on 3-5 Curses with a single ship? 3-5 Drakes firing Thunderbolts will take down a shield-buffered Curse quite quickly too, and if the same ships fire on the Curses' drones, the drones will all pop before the Drakes do. For reference, a single HM Drake firing Thunderbolts (331 missile DPS) will destroy a dual-LSEed Curse in 36 seconds (6 volleys), and the Curse always takes full damage from the missiles, regardless of its speed, MWD on/off, etc. That means that 6 Drakes firing at once would insta-pop one... add drones in as well and those Curses won't be hanging around for long. Out of interest, a Paradise cruise Raven would do a similar amount of missile damage (~300 on-target DPS), and can get another 100 or so on-target DPS from a trio of Curator IIs. Quote: the curse is a hard ship to fight imo. I'll agree with that - it's almost impossible to tackle reliably due to the combination of speed, and neuts to remove the cap of anything fast enough to catch it. Even if you can get a suicide frigate or two to scram/web the curse, you'll need to get heavier tacklers on him quickly before the frigates are neuted/killed by bonused light drones. Jamming can work well if you refit with all Amarr jammers, but a typical mixed-racial setup will have limited success. Quote: another thing that could work is sniper hacs+ tacklers and a falcon or scorp . People like this are hard to beat , because they should know when to gtfo . So u need to bait them into engaging then get at least one pointed and webbed-jammed off gate/station. I think the single most important thing when fighting Curses, is long-range, reliable damage. So snipers are good, sentry drones are good (esp the range/damage/damage type balance of Curators), heavy or even cruise missiles are very good. So long as the Curse is constantly taking damage while he's in range to affect you, it becomes much easier to deal with them. Killing them again might be an issue, but you're more likely to succeed in holding a point for long enough this way I expect. Addressing them with a conventional force, fitted with short-range weaponry and relying on getting the ship tackled in order to deal damage, is doomed to failure. Having flown solo Curses against gangs like this, I've even been scrammed/webbed by a single cap-boosted battlecruiser 40-50km from the bulk of his gang, and managed to neut these away before the damage-dealers caught up. If I'd been receiving damage steadily from most of the gang, there's no way I would have survived long enough to escape. On the other hand, I probably would have just warped out when I noticed the steady incoming damage. Getting suicide tacklers in quickly is paramount.
Spectre3353 Gallente The Python Cartel.	Posted - 2009.07.29 14:13:00 - [9] You're talking about Eternal Perseverance, aren't you. ----- The Python Cartel - My Pirate Blog
Night Nurse	Posted - 2009.07.29 17:17:00 - [10] Cheers for the ideas all.. Quote: You're talking about Eternal Perseverance, aren't you. I can neither confirm or deny that it has anything to do with EP or Ken Plante...whoops, dammit. Their e-peen is big enough already, I hope they miss this post :D
Dirk Magnum Royal Hiigaran Navy	Posted - 2009.07.29 18:10:00 - [11] Edited by: Dirk Magnum on 29/07/2009 18:11:01 Hard to brag about epeen if you use a neutral command ship for bonuses. But don't you get flagged for being ganged with people in a war? The ship will dock as soon as its attacked if it has no weapons.
Spectre3353 Gallente The Python Cartel.	Posted - 2009.07.29 18:44:00 - [12] Originally by: Night Nurse Cheers for the ideas all.. Quote: You're talking about Eternal Perseverance, aren't you. I can neither confirm or deny that it has anything to do with EP or Ken Plante...whoops, dammit. Their e-peen is big enough already, I hope they miss this post :D Most of EP is really nice guys. Ken Plante though yea... e-peen the size of a small country. ----- The Python Cartel - My Pirate Blog
Dominatus Crispus Gallente Nation of Muppets	Posted - 2009.07.29 18:57:00 - [13] Originally by: Spectre3353 have a Damnation with 7 gang links running herm? pardon? is this some special one of a kind ship? because the damnation i fly can only hold 3 warfare links... Corp/Allaince Setup & Tweaking / Faction Standings Boost [Details]
Dirk Magnum Royal Hiigaran Navy	Posted - 2009.07.29 19:10:00 - [14] Originally by: Dominatus Crispus Originally by: Spectre3353 have a Damnation with 7 gang links running herm? pardon? is this some special one of a kind ship? because the damnation i fly can only hold 3 warfare links... With four command link processors and five CPU II's you can apparently fit and activate seven warfare links and be cap stable. Considering the uber base resists and HP of the ship if all you're going to do with it is sit outside of a station and run the links there's really no harm in using this otherwise ridiculous fit.
Omara Otawan	Posted - 2009.07.29 19:52:00 - [15] Edited by: Omara Otawan on 29/07/2009 19:56:21 Originally by: Night Nurse Can you recommend a good gang setup, say 5-6 people to take out these Curses? Struggling to find a counter that will get them to engage without scaring them off... Probably not what you want to hear, but there isnt really a working solution against this tactic, the curse is maybe the hardest non-covert cruiser hull to kill, let alone a group of them. You could either massively outblob them, but they wont engage you (as they are gonna have a zillion scout alts and see it coming). If you bring a working counter setup, they wont engage either. I'd suggest a different approach though, try to inflict Isk damage with a setup that they cant score a kill against no matter what they do, ultimately forcing them to use another tactic. Given the curse is a drone boat and rather low on dps, bring 2-3 hardcore tanked domis (plated to the brim, triple trimarked) , and 2-3 neutral logistic alts to rep these. Stay in station dockrange at all times. Use small guns on the Domis, few waves of light drones and maybe 2-3 webs each and just go for their drones, kill as many drones as possible, they will run out of drones rather quickly. Smack in local as you see fit while doing this, nothing hurts the epeen more than getting smacked while being unable to kill the enemy ;) A slight twist on this that might actually yield a kill could be to do the above for a few hours / days to wear their patience down, and then all of a sudden decloak a few Arazus on them that damp the crap out of the curses, point them from 60+km away (neutral claymore alt with ganglinks sitting in dockrange), and maybe kill one. (Not sure about the hisec aggro mechanics as I dont pvp there, but if they neut your repping alts those get agression to them). Dont forget to smack if you kill something, it hurts the epeen as well ;)
SquadBroken Helljumpers	Posted - 2009.07.30 01:02:00 - [16] Want to make a curse pilot mad? Cap inject, fit a heavy neut, scram him, or use a missile ship that's kit properly. Problem solved.
The AEther Caldari Agony Unleashed Agony Empire	Posted - 2009.07.30 06:23:00 - [17] Suicide tacklers armed with some nosses (remember that nos is the counter to neuts, cap injectors take over 13 seconds to pump can but a small nos has 3 second cycle time and medium one has 6 second cycle time) that get into scram/web range of the curse followed by a wave of heavy tacklers and damage dealers can work. If the Curse sees tacklers approach it, it will try to get into 50+ km range from where the rest of your gang won't be able to help - then it will try to eat up the tacklers. So have people on standby either cloaked or warping from another location - long range missile ships that cannot be tracking disrupted and drone boats with sentry drones are good. Basically snipers that can hit from that kind of range. Of course if a tackler got a scam on it you can just warp down to him or her. Link to PVP University
rodensteiner Amarr	Posted - 2009.07.30 16:40:00 - [18] Rapier/Arazu and stealthbombers ought to do the trick, I'd think. Should be able to scram a curse from outside of neut range, and a decent-skilled Stealthbomber can shoot torps 50-60km no problem.
Maverick Aeldrin	Posted - 2009.07.30 21:38:00 - [19] Assault Launchers on a few cheap Caracals to wipe out their drones.
Kapradian Amarr Assisted Genocide	Posted - 2009.07.31 03:10:00 - [20] Shameless plug time :) <- hire mercs link
Mar AlShari	Posted - 2009.07.31 07:27:00 - [21] Edited by: Mar AlShari on 31/07/2009 07:31:55 Skirmish warfare link - interdiction maneuvers. Overload webs on Rapiers/Huginns. Paint. Get in 20 km with Muninns or closer (5km) with Vagas (with nos/cap boost). Load phased. Be quick. Overload everything.
Muad' Dib Gallente Beyond Divinity Inc	Posted - 2009.07.31 11:22:00 - [22] Edited by: Muad'' Dib on 31/07/2009 11:26:06 Originally by: BigBobbom 4 BS remote rep setup, injectors with 2 large smart bombs each. Arazu with warp scrams, or a couple of rapiers to keep them from running away Arazu is expensive, Lachesis does the same job. And if you really wanna beat them don't rely on injectors too much, use a mixture of remote repps and cap transfer, circle-jerk and focus all dps on one guy - that the Lachesis has scrambled with faction scrams. Originally by: Mar AlShari Edited by: Mar AlShari on 31/07/2009 07:31:55 Skirmish warfare link - interdiction maneuvers. Overload webs on Rapiers/Huginns. Paint. Get in 20 km with Muninns or closer (5km) with Vagas (with nos/cap boost). Load phased. Be quick. Overload everything. If they consider Curse pilots as advanced what are the chances they know someone with Claymore skills and Skirmish Mindlink ??? Webbs are not all that effective nowadays, if the target has a MWD that it relies upon, than a single warp scrambler is several times more effective than a webb - scrambler cuts the speed to 15% of what it would have while the webb cuts it to 40-50%. Nos/cap booster vaga's .... :)) While the nos ideea isn't bad as the vaga has an extra high, the cap booster is a very bad ideea unless you armor tank the vaga, SFI/Rupture style with 3 damage mods. --- I smack just for myself. * Your signature file is to large. Please note: we do not allow signature files larger than 24000 bytes - Fallout
Mar AlShari	Posted - 2009.07.31 13:40:00 - [23] Edited by: Mar AlShari on 31/07/2009 13:40:23 A scrambler obviously cannot reach to 60km-72km, beyond neut range. A webbed curse goes maybe 1000 with warfare links. A Vaga goes 3500. You need to be effective with cap warfare against you, therefore a booster is a good thing to have. Without one you likely end up dead in the water, no matter what the normal clichT fits are. You need to be close in case they fit tracking disruptors. If you can't have a Claymore, have 1 or 2 BC.
Neacail	Posted - 2009.07.31 14:05:00 - [24] Originally by: Mar AlShari Edited by: Mar AlShari on 31/07/2009 13:40:23 A scrambler obviously cannot reach to 60km-72km, beyond neut range. A webbed curse goes maybe 1000 with warfare links. A Vaga goes 3500. You need to be effective with cap warfare against you, therefore a booster is a good thing to have. Without one you likely end up dead in the water, no matter what the normal clichT fits are. You need to be close in case they fit tracking disruptors. If you can't have a Claymore, have 1 or 2 BC. Neut range is 38km. Vaga is actually 3000m/s with the usual 2 speed mods fits that are out there. In this case, it would be better to go with, at the very least, a DCU, as to survive a bit longer. You can't rely on your mwd, web or scram when fighting curses close range. One med neut cycle (3 neuts, which those curses in question do fit) will take out 1080 cap, 280 above what a cap booster would give you. Add in 2 small neuts and your modules simply aren't gonna turn on as long as you are neuted. As for the nos thing, it could work, but a small doesn't take enough cap to actually turn on a mwd (although it is enough for one cycle of either a scrambler or web), and a med one (which also, obviously, doesn't help with the mwd thing) will be completely countered by the quick cycle times of small neuts. It is quite impossible for any kind of vaga fit to keep range on a well flown curse. If you brought twice the numbers, it would work, but so would a group of snipers or missile boats. If you want to kill a single curse, a lot of combinations involving only 2 ships would do the trick. The problem is when you want to kill 3-5, as anybody that manages to get a tackle will be neuted to 0 almost instantly. One thing I would try though: 1 lachesis with faction disruptor (60km), nano fit with shield buffer, and a group of cerbs* with HMLs. The Cerbs stay as close to the Lach as possible, who keeps a point on a curse. If the curses try to neut him, they risk being too close to the constant missile DPS the cerbs are putting out (4 HML cerbs will pop a shield buffer curse in 20 seconds or less), if they stay away, they risk having the gang's main target incapable of warping out. Baiting them might be necessary, but it shouldn't be too hard. Just get them to engage some weak stuff, have the Lach warp in as far as possible within point range, and then the cerbs instantly warp to it. *Cerb is just a recommendation based on the ship's missile velocity bonus. Drakes would work fine (moar dps!), and so would any ship capable of fitting HMLs and doing decent DPS.
Muad' Dib Gallente Beyond Divinity Inc	Posted - 2009.07.31 18:03:00 - [25] Originally by: Mar AlShari Edited by: Mar AlShari on 31/07/2009 13:40:23 A scrambler obviously cannot reach to 60km-72km, beyond neut range. A webbed curse goes maybe 1000 with warfare links. A Vaga goes 3500. You need to be effective with cap warfare against you, therefore a booster is a good thing to have. Without one you likely end up dead in the water, no matter what the normal clichT fits are. You need to be close in case they fit tracking disruptors. If you can't have a Claymore, have 1 or 2 BC. Non-officer Scrambler max range is 38.2 km - lachesis + loki + ts scram + overload. Curse with recons 5 has with non-faction neuts about 36-37km range, however, a scram needs very little cap to keep online. --- I smack just for myself. * Your signature file is to large. Please note: we do not allow signature files larger than 24000 bytes - Fallout
Curzon Dax Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2009.07.31 19:07:00 - [26] I would think the answer to a curse would be an Arazu / Huggin / other recon combination. If you web and dampen a curse from 60km away, and have someone drop a warp scrambler on them, they're going to die. If you're in a drake or or a dominix, or whatever ship you fly in, drop a warp scrambler on it, and get your own recon support. :)
ShadowMaiden Amarr Divine Radiance	Posted - 2009.07.31 20:49:00 - [27] Shoot them until they blow up.
Muad' Dib Gallente Beyond Divinity Inc	Posted - 2009.08.01 00:13:00 - [28] Originally by: Curzon Dax I would think the answer to a curse would be an Arazu / Huggin / other recon combination. If you web and dampen a curse from 60km away, and have someone drop a warp scrambler on them, they're going to die. If you're in a drake or or a dominix, or whatever ship you fly in, drop a warp scrambler on it, and get your own recon support. :) And you'll only need 1 arazu/lachesis with 3 damps for each curse - 150km locking range on recons ftw. --- I smack just for myself. * Your signature file is to large. Please note: we do not allow signature files larger than 24000 bytes - Fallout
Dardan Flamur	Posted - 2009.08.01 03:16:00 - [29] I have an alt in their "flight school", hit me up in game and I'll let you know their tactics and fittings for a price!
Xerra Yeltrox	Posted - 2009.08.01 11:10:00 - [30] 1. 1 bait ship ratting or mining with web/scram. 2. 2-3 passive shield tanked Ishtars with both garde2 and curators2 sentries. 3. 1 Lachesis to scram primairy. 4. ?? 5. Dead curse
ArmyOfMe The Athiest Syndicate Advocated Destruction	Posted - 2009.08.01 11:31:00 - [31] Originally by: Spectre3353 Very good PvP'ers who don't often make many mistakes. Good luck. sounds more like boring pvp'ers tbh. whats the fun in pvp if u dont ake any real risks
Skallebank Minmatar Insidious Existence RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2009.08.01 12:08:00 - [32] Edited by: Skallebank on 01/08/2009 12:09:11 i aggree with the guy above me tbh , no risk equals no fun , kinda like the way burn eden fight but hey each to their own. Alot of good ideas from above some i may even use myself in future . But as to helping the op i believe from his post that his corp dosn't have a whole lot of high sp players or they would simply use recon/hacs to counter the curses . So I stand by the domi idea tbh. If the op does have access to all the goodness of t2 ships 2 rapiers 2 arazu's and a 1-2 faclon should do the trick nicely . You would need ur usual gate camping gang as bait and the recons logged off in system I think. hope this helps. My grammer and spelling arn't perfect,.deal with it.
Jodie Amille Gunship Diplomacy	Posted - 2009.08.02 00:21:00 - [33] A single sniping zealot does the trick. Sit at 100-115km to be out of range of the TD's. HML drakes and cerbs also work. Even HML caracals if you want to go the cheap route. Just get someone with an injector to get a point on it. If there are multiple curses, just use multiple of any of the above. --------
Jodie Amille Gunship Diplomacy	Posted - 2009.08.02 00:22:00 - [34] Originally by: Skallebank Edited by: Skallebank on 01/08/2009 12:09:11 i aggree with the guy above me tbh , no risk equals no fun Isn't your alliance blue to like half of 0.0 or something? --------
Ken Plante Eternal Perseverance	Posted - 2009.08.23 04:40:00 - [35] lol awesome post. And the guy that got an alt in my flight school, have fun! i wonder who would go to the forums with this and ask for help?
Istvaan Shogaatsu Caldari Guiding Hand Social Club	Posted - 2009.08.23 06:56:00 - [36] Make or obtain a handful of pulse Apocs. Insure and stick to relatively cheap gear. Equip them with many plates to make killing them really boring, add tracking enhancers, heatsinks, and if you want, optimal range rigs. Maybe remote reps/cap transfers if you're feeling fancy, though this is better done with dedicated logistics ships. Use scorch. Focus fire, and you should be able to melt a few of the Curses with ease. They need to get within around 40km of you, and if they decide to MWD out of range when fired upon, they will find your range to be greater than expected, and your tracking more than adequate to jam fifty throbbing purple laser beams up their tailpipes. Cheap blackbirds with lots of radar ECM should help as well.
Cpt Branko Beyond Divinity Inc Beyond Virginity	Posted - 2009.08.23 11:15:00 - [37] Edited by: Cpt Branko on 23/08/2009 11:15:57 (a) Drakes (b) - if they're not tracking disrupting - artycanes (c) Pulselazor BS with tracking mods Can't think of anything else. The idea is to pop it before it can possibly disengage. Which is going to be nontrivial, particularly with the damnation running 7 links. Sig removed, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
Grut Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2009.08.23 16:45:00 - [38] Edited by: Grut on 23/08/2009 16:46:24 The same as most other stuff in eve, simples is good. 1. Bait 2. Tackle 3. Blob 4. Don't mess up 1-3 and hope they don't run away in time. 1. Bait Something like an alt in a raven - hes a mission runner see? Passive tank 6x heavy nos 2 x large smarties + cap booster. Their dps is pretty poor so the bait should be able to let them fully commit. 2. Tackle Bait hits the cap booster + smarties to clear drones .... thats 9/10 of the dps gone. Bait puts nos on the choosen target to turnoff mwd etc... they take no cap? and should cleanout the target in one cycle. Frigs /interdictors / heavy interdictors warp in and tackle / bubble / whatever at least the noss'd curse hopefully something else aswell. With the drones gone they can only get neuted so shouldn't have much risk. 3. Blob Damage rigged bs warp in @ 80km and fry whatever can't get clear in time. Theres not to much point trying to engage them in a standup fight.... the build is pretty good at taking out anything in its target envolope (active tank, turret ships up close) and is hard countered by most over stuff, such as damage at range or passive tanked missile boats so either they can own you or they have to run. The hard bits not making them run its holding one to pop it. I'd say popping one in an ops ok, 2 is great. Kinsy > deadman you there? Kinsy > are either of us in pods, becase we dont know... Mostly harmless [ 2005.12.09 19:22:50 ] (notify) You have started trying to warp scramble the Dreadnought
Vyktrr	Posted - 2009.08.23 17:26:00 - [39] Cap Boosters always beat neuts. Just time your cap charges after the neuts hit, and fire your repper after that. Micromanagement wins the battle!
UMEE Gunship Diplomacy Double Dutch Rudders	Posted - 2009.08.23 20:11:00 - [40] a few sniper HACs should do...just scram and web the curse(s)
Spectre3353 Gallente The Python Cartel.	Posted - 2009.08.24 01:30:00 - [41] Step 1: Fit a "mission running" Raven with a big armor tank, a bunch of EWAR and a bunch of heavy neuts. Step 2: Wait for Ken Plante to probe down your "mission runner" and attack it. Step 3: Jump your gang in and kill the ** out of his ship. Step 4:** Profit! ----- The Python Cartel - My Pirate Blog
Sera Ryskin	Posted - 2009.08.24 08:06:00 - [42] See, here's the slight problem with most of the plans proposed so far: blobbing only works if the Curse pilot is an idiot. Killing a Curse is easy if you can bring an arbitrarily large number of ships, the problem is when your anti-Curse gang shows up on scan and/or in local, all those nano-Curses will be out of point range and in warp to a safespot/station long before your gang even comes out of warp. If you want to actually KILL them instead of just denying them a kill, start looking for a small number of ships that the Curse pilots will underestimate until it's too late to disengage. ========== Merin is currently enjoying a 14 day vacation from the forums. Until she returns, you've got me to entertain you!
Cpt Cosmic	Posted - 2009.08.24 09:56:00 - [43] Edited by: Cpt Cosmic on 24/08/2009 09:56:38 injectors missiles drones smartbombs sentry drones a curse pilot wont fight a drake, it also wont fight an ishtar or any other similar ship unless the curse pilot is a complete moron. in short: take a shield extended rifter, make sure you have a mwd, nos and warp scrambler fitted. get in fast and scramble him :) then your gang jumps and warps in raping his arse if you dont succed you lost nearly nothing, buy a new one and try again.
fmercury NibbleTek	Posted - 2009.08.24 10:23:00 - [44] Passive sentry domies, drakes, nighthawks, etc. Anything that doesn't need cap for its tank or its guns, and has a decent dps/passive tank.
fmercury NibbleTek	Posted - 2009.08.24 10:25:00 - [45] Originally by: Spectre3353 Step 1: Fit a "mission running" Raven with a big armor tank, a bunch of EWAR and a bunch of heavy neuts. Step 2: Wait for Ken Plante to probe down your "mission runner" and attack it. Step 3: Jump your gang in and kill the ** out of his ship. Step 4:** Profit! Smart curse will not be in heavy neut range.
fmercury NibbleTek	Posted - 2009.08.24 10:29:00 - [46] Originally by: Spectre3353 Edited by: Spectre3353 on 29/07/2009 14:20:52 You're talking about Eternal Perseverance, aren't you. For any idea of how they fit their Curses, take a look at their lossmails (of which there are not many): http://prsvr.griefwatch.net/?p=details&kill=24503 These guys are very careful, have multiple cloaked scouts, have a Damnation with 7 gang links running in system almost always and almost always bring the right tool to the fight. If you bring something to counter their Curses, they will either disengage and not fight you or they will dock and bring something more appropriate. Very good PvP'ers who don't often make many mistakes. Good luck. None of that screams "good PvP'er" to me. Quite the opposite, in fact.
Duries Kain	Posted - 2009.08.24 13:25:00 - [47] use amarr ships with scorch use HML drakes
Ken Plante Eternal Perseverance	Posted - 2009.08.24 21:06:00 - [48] Edited by: Ken Plante on 24/08/2009 21:07:08 fail quote is fail edit
Ken Plante Eternal Perseverance	Posted - 2009.08.24 21:07:00 - [49] Originally by: fmercury Originally by: Spectre3353 Edited by: Spectre3353 on 29/07/2009 14:20:52 You're talking about Eternal Perseverance, aren't you. For any idea of how they fit their Curses, take a look at their lossmails (of which there are not many): http://prsvr.griefwatch.net/?p=details&kill=24503 These guys are very careful, have multiple cloaked scouts, have a Damnation with 7 gang links running in system almost always and almost always bring the right tool to the fight. If you bring something to counter their Curses, they will either disengage and not fight you or they will dock and bring something more appropriate. Very good PvP'ers who don't often make many mistakes. Good luck. None of that screams "good PvP'er" to me. Quite the opposite, in fact. so a good pvper attacks when he shouldnt and dies when he doesnt need to... lets also get something straight, we do engage in fights outnumbered and with the same dangerous shipclasses, we just do not do it when there is 0 chance of winning/survival. Not dying lets us have more isk to buy ships with kp
Mashashige Minmatar Eternal Perseverance Flight School	Posted - 2009.08.25 00:22:00 - [50] Edited by: Mashashige on 25/08/2009 00:22:21 Originally by: Night Nurse Their e-peen is big enough already, I hope they miss this post :D Too late I'm afraid - my e-peen just grew 3 sizes larger. P.S you suck. looking for strategies against EP in forum threads is fail - though I don't mind, I could use the isk. Fake edit - Lemmings are gay, mmm'kay? ======================================= "Never underestimate the power of human stupidity."
Herty The Sexy Carebear Boredom Convention	Posted - 2009.08.25 21:16:00 - [51] Get a tier 3 battle ship and put 8 smartbombs on its high slots a couple cap boosters in the mids and a however much tank you can fit in the lows. Next you warp it to a belt and wait for them to come. When they do wait for the drones then pop a booster and let off the smartbombs and kill all their drones instantly. This will **** them off and then you warp in a fleet so they cant kill the bs. Next brag in local about how you won because you killed their drones.
TheMaster42 Lobster Gazelle Unicorn	Posted - 2009.08.25 22:01:00 - [52] Originally by: Herty Get a tier 3 battle ship and put 8 smartbombs on its high slots a couple cap boosters in the mids and a however much tank you can fit in the lows. Next you warp it to a belt and wait for them to come. When they do wait for the drones then pop a booster and let off the smartbombs and kill all their drones instantly. This will **** them off and then you warp in a fleet so they cant kill the bs. Next brag in local about how you won because you killed their drones. This is sound.
Morel Nova z3r0 Gravity	Posted - 2009.08.26 11:37:00 - [53] Originally by: fmercury Smart curse will not be in heavy neut range. smart curses still need to point things and overheated points dont last forever. Put in space whales!
Cpt Branko Beyond Divinity Inc Beyond Virginity	Posted - 2009.08.26 11:55:00 - [54] Originally by: Morel Nova Originally by: fmercury Smart curse will not be in heavy neut range. smart curses still need to point things and overheated points dont last forever. Not really. If you read up, you will notice they have a Damnation. Sig removed, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
Gartel Reiman Civis Romanus Sum Pax Romana Alliance	Posted - 2009.08.26 12:12:00 - [55] Originally by: Cpt Branko Originally by: Morel Nova Originally by: fmercury Smart curse will not be in heavy neut range. smart curses still need to point things and overheated points dont last forever. Not really. If you read up, you will notice they have a Damnation. Additionally, it's not entirely unreasonable to put a Domi/RF point on something like a Curse, since you can really benefit from the range, plus Curses tend to be quite good at staying alive. I'm not saying that ever Curse you come across will be sporting one, but against older/experienced PvPers it's something you shouldn't overlook.
Gypsio III Dirty Filthy Perverts	Posted - 2009.08.26 12:12:00 - [56] Originally by: Sera Ryskin See, here's the slight problem with most of the plans proposed so far: blobbing only works if the Curse pilot is an idiot. Killing a Curse is easy if you can bring an arbitrarily large number of ships, the problem is when your anti-Curse gang shows up on scan and/or in local, all those nano-Curses will be out of point range and in warp to a safespot/station long before your gang even comes out of warp. If you want to actually KILL them instead of just denying them a kill, start looking for a small number of ships that the Curse pilots will underestimate until it's too late to disengage. Very true. A mate and I picked off a Curse recently, with an Caracal and a Vexor. I'd been playing with the Curse in my AML Caracal, but knew that I couldn't kill it on my own. So we fitted the Vexor with a 1600 plate, cap injector, multiple small Nos and a scrambler. We sat the Vexor in a belt while the Caracal wandered around at 60 km. The Curse approached the Vexor, the Vexor burnt at him and got the scramble (lol Curse pilot yeah, but he must have simply assumed that he could neut the scramble away), and kept the scramble active with injector and Nos. Hammerheads and Sabretooth then cut through the Curse's shield buffer in short order. We lost the Vexor as the Curse's mates in Crusader and Caracal turned up, but we killed both of them as well.
Gartel Reiman Civis Romanus Sum Pax Romana Alliance	Posted - 2009.08.26 12:15:00 - [57] Originally by: Mashashige looking for strategies against EP in forum threads is fail Why? The point of the forums is to ask for advice, and it's much better that the OP is taking steps to sort out the situation personally, than crying for a nerf/ban for harrassment or whatever.
Mashashige Minmatar Eternal Perseverance	Posted - 2009.08.26 21:32:00 - [58] Originally by: Gypsio III Originally by: Sera Ryskin See, here's the slight problem with most of the plans proposed so far: blobbing only works if the Curse pilot is an idiot. Killing a Curse is easy if you can bring an arbitrarily large number of ships, the problem is when your anti-Curse gang shows up on scan and/or in local, all those nano-Curses will be out of point range and in warp to a safespot/station long before your gang even comes out of warp. If you want to actually KILL them instead of just denying them a kill, start looking for a small number of ships that the Curse pilots will underestimate until it's too late to disengage. Very true. A mate and I picked off a Curse recently, with an Caracal and a Vexor. I'd been playing with the Curse in my AML Caracal, but knew that I couldn't kill it on my own. So we fitted the Vexor with a 1600 plate, cap injector, multiple small Nos and a scrambler. We sat the Vexor in a belt while the Caracal wandered around at 60 km. The Curse approached the Vexor, the Vexor burnt at him and got the scramble (lol Curse pilot yeah, but he must have simply assumed that he could neut the scramble away), and kept the scramble active with injector and Nos. Hammerheads and Sabretooth then cut through the Curse's shield buffer in short order. We lost the Vexor as the Curse's mates in Crusader and Caracal turned up, but we killed both of them as well. So your whole strategy lies on the curse pilot making a mistake? That's not strategy, thats blind luck... next idea would be to warp people from whatevers behind the curse and hope they land close enough for a scram. As for looking for strategies against curses on the forum - ofc its fail. Anybody who does know how to fly a curse properly wont let you in on a strategy to beat them, and everyone else will suggest ideas such as "kill their drones", "deny them of kills", or things that will not just be a waste of time, but will also lead to you losing your ships. Please though, come with more silly ideas - you might get lucky in the end. ======================================= "Never underestimate the power of human stupidity."
Gypsio III Dirty Filthy Perverts	Posted - 2009.08.26 21:46:00 - [59] Edited by: Gypsio III on 26/08/2009 21:46:41 Originally by: Mashashige So your whole strategy lies on the curse pilot making a mistake? No ***, Sherlock. This may come as a surprise to you, but there is no "perfect" ship and if there was you can guarantee that the Curse pilot would be spamming "warp" as soon as it appeared on scan. The loss of any ship capable of dictating range and tackle as well as a Curse obviously* comes down to pilot error. The trick is to maximise the chances of that pilot error occurring.
Commander Vice	Posted - 2009.08.27 00:38:00 - [60] i have had a lot of luck fighting single and pairs of curses in 0.0 with a heavyly tanked nuter domie a 10 nm mwd dual 800 injectors a web and a scram get within 25k of them and you own em nuter em web/scram em and let some drones feed rinse and repete
Grut Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2009.08.27 06:22:00 - [61] Edited by: Grut on 27/08/2009 06:22:59 Originally by: Mashashige So your whole strategy lies on the curse pilot making a mistake? That's not strategy, thats blind luck... next idea would be to warp people from whatevers behind the curse and hope they land close enough for a scram. As for looking for strategies against curses on the forum - ofc its fail. Anybody who does know how to fly a curse properly wont let you in on a strategy to beat them, and everyone else will suggest ideas such as "kill their drones", "deny them of kills", or things that will not just be a waste of time, but will also lead to you losing your ships. Please though, come with more silly ideas - you might get lucky in the end. There has NEVER been a good way in eve of engaging a group of remotely skilled pvpers sitting in a system who don't want a fight without them making a mistake. The curse bit is just a different spin, theres been EWAR gangs, Damp gangs, snipe gangs its all the same. If their watching local and especially if they've got alts on the gates in the systems nextdoor its next to impossible without a mistake. One - two ships you can fool with a counter setup ship, but 5? what would they be thinking to engage 5 domis/drakes/whatever that suddenly appear. Which is the other point, even if they want to fight they can't.... their build would counter standard turret setups really well but anything out of that band is a hard counter and their going to have to warp or lose ships ie. missile boats would end them... heavy ew would end them .... bs at range would end them the list goes on. If they were in a more standard ship setup say 3 hacs a logistic and a recon, theres more stuff they can engage without having to run so there'd be more change of having a standup fight - if they wanted one but htat means losing ships. Kinsy > deadman you there? Kinsy > are either of us in pods, becase we dont know... Mostly harmless [ 2005.12.09 19:22:50 ] (notify) You have started trying to warp scramble the Dreadnought
Xing Fey	Posted - 2009.08.27 10:36:00 - [62] Originally by: Mashashige So your whole strategy lies on the curse pilot making a mistake? Most good strategies do. Those that don't normally end up with you making a fatal mistake instead.

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