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Large Marg
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.05.25 02:39:00 -
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With the Euro getting its junk pounded. European businesses getting beat into submission, and a big push for internet ID, are you still going to be able to play Eve or want to play Eve?
The storm is coming....
http://current.com/community/93784918_bilderberg-demands-internet-id-for-all-eu-citizens.htm?xid=RSSfeed
If you do not know who the Builderburg group is, you should.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-18186972
Feels like Dune a bit, but instead of spice its the internet.
Who ever controls the internet, controls the world. |
Corina Jarr
Spazzoid Enterprises
Purpose Built
782
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Posted - 2012.05.25 02:41:00 -
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Considering the internet is just a bunch of private connections... it cannot be controlled. Try to control it and it moves elseware.
Worst case, we go back to how it was before the internet was so easily navigable, with everyone learning stacks of IPs to manually connect to. |
Torneach
The Last Bastion
167
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Posted - 2012.05.25 02:47:00 -
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This is what happens when people forget that liberty is worth infinitely more than security. |
Gealbhan
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
147
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Posted - 2012.05.25 03:14:00 -
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I wonder what the world would be like if the 'net went bye bye. I remember what it was like before the 'net, wasn't much different than now tbh.
People talk about the good old days etc etc - they weren't That good. I guess hindsight wears rose coloured glasses with it's 20/20 vision.
Anyway on to a saying I created (yes, really): "Pieces of the past usually have sharp edges, it's not wise to go picking them up".
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Hypatia Alexandria
Misfortune of Virtue
0
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Posted - 2012.05.25 03:17:00 -
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Gealbhan wrote: "Pieces of the past usually have sharp edges, it's not wise to go picking them up".
nice. |
Pertuabo Enkidgan
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
12
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Posted - 2012.05.25 03:17:00 -
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warning old men |
March rabbit
Trojan Trolls
Red Alliance
178
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Posted - 2012.05.25 03:42:00 -
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it's good to live in last free countries these days.... |
leviticus ander
CATO.nss
157
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Posted - 2012.05.25 05:30:00 -
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Corina Jarr wrote:Considering the internet is just a bunch of private connections... it cannot be controlled. Try to control it and it moves elseware.
Worst case, we go back to how it was before the internet was so easily navigable, with everyone learning stacks of IPs to manually connect to.
well even the 13 root DNS servers (the servers that are essentially the core of the internet) are run by 13 different companies around the world (I know a bunch of them are in the US, but still). meaning that even if one person tries to take control, they will at most be able to get a few of the servers, those servers will be cut from the replication lists and replaced with different servers
basically, at this point, the internet is too well built up to be brought down by anyone, even Europe all co-operating and working together couldn't take down the internet, they could only filter traffic going to their respective top level domains. I think it would take a collaboration between north America, Europe, and most of Asia to actually significantly hit the internet. and even then, people would just put up their own versions of the root servers and continue with business as usual.
put it this way, after about 3-6 months of training in the general IT field, I probably could have put up a DNS server to fulfil the needs of a root server, it might not have the uptime or be able to handle the throughput, but that's just a matter of how much money you can throw at the problem for the most part.
also, to those of you that are worried about the 13 servers running the internet possibly being taken down, I should note that they are actually clusters of servers a bit like what eve runs on, so one phisical server could go down, but the entire cluster would continue more or less unaffected. as well as these servers being run by different companies in different countries means that there's different security protocols in place to keep them secure.
to give an idea of the durability of this system, there was an attack on it a few years back where it's estimated that tens of millions of infected computers were used in a well planned attack on these servers, 11 of the 13 went down, and there was no noticeable impact on he user end of things. and even if they had managed to take down all 13 servers, they would have had to have kept the servers down for anywhere from 2 days to a week (these attacks managed to take them down for about 10 minutes) in order for any significant number of people to even notice some thing's happening. this is all thanks to the proper design and configuration of the servers and the services that use them. |
Pesky LaRue
Mercatoris
Etherium Cartel
167
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Posted - 2012.05.25 05:35:00 -
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Gealbhan wrote:I wonder what the world would be like if the 'net went bye bye. I remember what it was like before the 'net, wasn't much different than now tbh. yes, it was.
Gealbhan wrote:People talk about the good old days etc etc - they weren't That good. I guess hindsight wears rose coloured glasses with it's 20/20 vision. which people are longing for a bygone age before the internet? the other pensioners?
Gealbhan wrote:IAnyway on to a saying I created (yes, really): "Pieces of the past usually have sharp edges, it's not wise to go picking them up". wait, you think people would doubt you made that up? seriously? hopefully you're putting together a coffee table edition of your collected wisdom? |
Radelix Cisko
The Adjustment Team
91
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Posted - 2012.05.25 06:38:00 -
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The internet as designed routes around damage automatically. Anyone takes control of a segment and shuts it down then the network will mark that section as damaged and move on until it is fixed. I will be unhappy if i can't reach my most favorite of games tho |
bongsmoke
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
26
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Posted - 2012.05.25 06:41:00 -
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Mission/Mine/Pirate/Scam and buy plexes ingame. Cant believe a lot of people dont do this. |
Forum Burn
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
7
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Posted - 2012.05.25 07:03:00 -
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Gealbhan wrote: "Pieces of the past usually have sharp edges, it's not wise to go picking them up".
Perhaps if you have a troublesome past, mine is more like a spilt bag of marshmallows :)
The end of the illusion of freedom is nigh, within the next 50 years the whole human race will be enslaved with around 80-90% of the current population gone, Bilderberg are a big fan of this and fund allot of think tanks and influence agencys to make sure this will happen. See you on the battlefield o7
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Vera Algaert
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
150
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Posted - 2012.05.25 07:05:00 -
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Corina Jarr wrote:Considering the internet is just a bunch of private connections... it cannot be controlled. Try to control it and it moves elseware.
Worst case, we go back to how it was before the internet was so easily navigable, with everyone learning stacks of IPs to manually connect to.
to control the internet you just have to control the network infrastructure - that's mostly phone lines and some fiber.
any alternatives (fidonet anyone?) tend to use the same infrastructure (phone lines) and can be controlled just as easily.
so unless you want to move to some sort of massive amateur radio mesh network, you can't really evade government control/intrusion. |
Karn Dulake
Souls Must Be Trampled
The.Alliance
791
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Posted - 2012.05.25 07:08:00 -
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I hated the good old days before the internet. There is no way im going back to singing songs with the family around the Piano for entertainment
I dont normally troll, but when i do i do it on General Discussion. |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
3943
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Posted - 2012.05.25 07:25:00 -
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How would this stop us playing EVE?
Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
Rico Minali
Sons Of 0din
Fatal Ascension
672
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Posted - 2012.05.25 07:31:00 -
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I remember when all this will be again.
Trust me, I almost know what I'm doing. |
Chunicha
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
19
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Posted - 2012.05.25 07:35:00 -
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Its ok guys, this is all part of the plan. I was watching the history channel and learned that apparently our entirety of human accomplishments are all resulting from the work of secret natzi space alien UFOs from the future. So you don't have to worry, you never had any control over anything anyways. |
ivar R'dhak
STK Scientific
53
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Posted - 2012.05.25 09:19:00 -
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Corina Jarr wrote:Considering the internet is just a bunch of private connections... it cannot be controlled. Try to control it and it moves elseware. China, Australia .. you are clueless.
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Dilligafmofo
Sandman Plc
86
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Posted - 2012.05.25 09:22:00 -
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WTS : Tin foil and hat BPO's  |
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
902
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Posted - 2012.05.25 09:27:00 -
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leviticus ander wrote:
basically, at this point, the internet is too well built up to be brought down by anyone, even Europe all co-operating and working together couldn't take down the internet,
Stopped reading here.
Europe and co-operating is a strong oxymoron.
We can't even co-operate at deciding if chocolate is made of chocolate or other assorted brown junk.
Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Gorki Andropov
Kerensky Initiatives
644
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Posted - 2012.05.25 09:37:00 -
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At least have the decency to spell 'Bilderberg' correctly. |
Andemnon Kohort
Protagonists Of Doom
22
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Posted - 2012.05.25 10:32:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:leviticus ander wrote:
basically, at this point, the internet is too well built up to be brought down by anyone, even Europe all co-operating and working together couldn't take down the internet,
Stopped reading here. Europe and co-operating is a strong oxymoron. We can't even co-operate at deciding if chocolate is made of chocolate or other assorted brown junk.
Dont worry, once Europe has finished back stabbing each others member states over the circling debt mountains, im sure they won't have time to worry about such things, even the chocolate related ones.. whatever is left of Europe anyway.. probably not much.
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Thorn Galen
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse
Sanctuary Pact
515
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Posted - 2012.05.25 10:38:00 -
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Torneach wrote:This is what happens when people forget that liberty is worth infinitely more than security.
Amen to that.
The universe is an ancient desert, a vast wasteland with only occasional habitable planets as oases. We Fremen, comfortable with deserts, shall now venture into another. - STILGAR, From the Sietch to the Stars. |
BTL Thumps Up
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2012.05.25 10:43:00 -
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I thionk you should deal with it!
BTLs are getting expensive nowadays!
THUMPS UP IF BTL |
My Postman
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
49
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Posted - 2012.05.25 10:53:00 -
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Since some moths every single of my clicks is stored for at least 6 months, and so is every SMS or E-Mail i send or recieve.
Ad i don-¦t live in China, Uganda, or some other wired state in Africa, i live in Austria, in the middle of the EU. Can they go any further?
And, to make it clear i-¦m an average Joe, no crimes committed or planning to steer a plane into a skyscraper. |
OmniBeton
OmniBeton Metatech
8
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Posted - 2012.05.25 11:39:00 -
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Torneach wrote:This is what happens when people forget that liberty is worth infinitely more than security.
Since it's the living who shape the future, It is better to be slave and alive, rather that free but dead. |
Redlaw Ikaruga
Solar Storm
Intrepid Crossing
2
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Posted - 2012.05.25 12:07:00 -
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Someone is forgetting the DOPA etc laws in america, if anyone is gonna "shut down" the internet it will start there.
Over half of ther EU/Asian DNS servers are owned by american companies aswell so still fall under those laws.
Yes EU is currnetly a **** hole but having a mountain of debts is better then having a entirely diferent planet for it (US)
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Mr Kidd
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
608
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Posted - 2012.05.25 12:32:00 -
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Corina Jarr wrote:Considering the internet is just a bunch of private connections... it cannot be controlled. Try to control it and it moves elseware.
Worst case, we go back to how it was before the internet was so easily navigable, with everyone learning stacks of IPs to manually connect to.
Um...no. You've no idea how the internet works. Nor do you have a clue how government and private businesses work. Basically, government says "If you want to make money you will do this". Private businesses say "Yes, Sir". Granted large multinationals truly control governments so, if the governments want something like internet ID's to be implemented then it's only because those large multinationals want it.
With the ability to know exactly who you are comes the ability to know exactly what you're doing on the internet. This is big business' dream. So, why wouldn't they be pushing the government for it? They would, probably are. So, it will happen.
We want breast augmentations and sluttier clothing in the NeX! |
Devious Relation
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
3
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Posted - 2012.05.25 12:40:00 -
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First ive heard about internet ID's. But hey i am "that troll living under the bridge".
If any government attempted to implament such a breech on our human rights - freedom of speach and information- im farily sure there would be an uproar, or maybe a mummble follwed by everyone using IP# masks IPNs ^^
Peronsaly I am outraged hearing about this, people in the past died for our freedom, and now people are slowly bit by bit removing and imposing on our freedom. |
Hail Goddess
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
1
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Posted - 2012.05.25 12:53:00 -
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First of all. We don't have freedom. We have liberty. Please learn and know the difference. Interesting post. |
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