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Dirtknap	Posted - 2009.07.30 09:16:00 - [1] For level 4s and PVP. Which is better? thanks.
Mashie Saldana BFG Tech	Posted - 2009.07.30 09:22:00 - [2] I run an active armor tank on my mission Ishtar as it let me have sentry drone rigs as well as an AB fitted.
Dirk Magnum Royal Hiigaran Navy	Posted - 2009.07.30 09:36:00 - [3] For PvP the shield tank is frustrating for your attackers. However you'll blow up hilariously fast after the shield fails. As long as you aren't webbed you'll recharge your protective barrier pretty efficiently in between kites through drone control range. For PvE the active armor tank sounds better.
Allahs Warrior Gallente Brotherhood of Suicidal Priests	Posted - 2009.07.30 11:01:00 - [4] For solo or for gang? Sniper HAC's are shield buffering nowadays so obv you pick shield buffer if you've got uber drone skills and sentry range rigs. For solo, you'll be tackling, and you therefor IMO need a tank. Shield means you're trying to speed tank, armor means you don't have to as much. How do you want to fly answers your own Q. Small gang depends on what role you'll be playing. Are you going to be 100KM away letting your drones do all the dirty work or are you going to be doing EW from 50km away or are you going to be using blasters? Far away, only really need a shield, If you're doing EW you need armor tank for moar mids (not necessarily tho. BUt I aint no expert
Dirtknap	Posted - 2009.07.30 18:38:00 - [5] Originally by: Allahs Warrior For solo or for gang? Sniper HAC's are shield buffering nowadays so obv you pick shield buffer if you've got uber drone skills and sentry range rigs. For solo, you'll be tackling, and you therefor IMO need a tank. Shield means you're trying to speed tank, armor means you don't have to as much. How do you want to fly answers your own Q. Small gang depends on what role you'll be playing. Are you going to be 100KM away letting your drones do all the dirty work or are you going to be doing EW from 50km away or are you going to be using blasters? Far away, only really need a shield, If you're doing EW you need armor tank for moar mids (not necessarily tho. BUt I aint no expert Interesting post. I hadn't thought of using sentry range rigs. Let's pretend I am mainly talking about level 4 missioning then, since that is what I will need to start with. Passive or active tank?
FT Diomedes Gallente Factio Paucorum	Posted - 2009.07.30 18:46:00 - [6] The armor tanked version is slightly easier to fit, the Ishtar is very low on CPU: [Ishtar, Dio's Ishtar copy 1] Gallente Navy Armor Kinetic Hardener Gallente Navy Armor Thermic Hardener Damage Control II Medium Armor Repairer II Medium Armor Repairer II Omnidirectional Tracking Link I Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II 200mm Prototype I Gauss Gun, Antimatter Charge M 200mm Prototype I Gauss Gun, Antimatter Charge M 200mm Prototype I Gauss Gun, Antimatter Charge M Small Tractor Beam I Salvager I Capacitor Control Circuit I Sentry Damage Augmentor I Hammerhead II x5 Hobgoblin II x5 Warden II x5 Garde II x5 ...this doesn't even seem to be a regular case of rats fleeing the sinking ship. Seems more like the rats are on fire, the ship is on fire, and the sea is full of drunk Russians. - Jacob Etienne
Opertone Caldari Monsters	Posted - 2009.07.30 18:59:00 - [7] [Ishtar, eat **** and die] Amarr Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Amarr Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Amarr Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Centii C-Type Small Armor Repairer Centii C-Type Small Armor Repairer Medium Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 400 10MN MicroWarpdrive II Warp Scrambler II Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II Small Energy Neutralizer II Small Energy Neutralizer II Small Energy Neutralizer II Medium Energy Neutralizer II Medium Energy Neutralizer II Sentry Damage Augmentor I Sentry Damage Augmentor I Garde II x5
Juggurnaut	Posted - 2009.07.30 19:01:00 - [8] FT, with a fit like yours. Do you just stand their next to your sentries and fight that way, or are your orbiting around?
Artemis Rose Sileo In Pacis The Space P0lice	Posted - 2009.07.30 19:03:00 - [9] Originally by: Opertone Fail Fit Awesome. The combo of cap injecting and cap mods will surely drive your lolfit above the rest. *** Currently Playing: Trolls from Outer Space Current Equipment: VISAcard chain mail, +2 Amulet of Epic Whine, Self Banstick +2 WTB: +666 E-peen killboard stats
steveid Federal Defence Union	Posted - 2009.07.30 19:51:00 - [10] like with all missioning setups it depends on what you are fighting. If they do primarily em damage then tank armor. if they do primarily kin / explosive then tank shield. I'm a bit of a fan of the active shield tanked nano / ab ishtar if your fighting gunship rats as it will speed tank their damage allowing you to nifty around the room picking up the salvage and loot. Overdrive II X 2 PDS II X 3 Dread Booster Invun Field II Cal Navy em amplifier Gal Navy 10MN Ab SBA II tractor and salvage up top, or whack on some blasters for extra dps when you get to the bs CCC rigs Does around 500 dps without guns - and with changable damage type. Also does 750 m/s and is a lot of fun. If your skills are half decent its pretty much cap stable. Swap out faction ab if you must but faction medium boosters are cheap and worth it. I know it looks funny, but give it a shot, works fine and makes missions that bit more interesting.
Deltoid Caldari Delusion of Grandeur	Posted - 2009.07.30 20:14:00 - [11] I'd say that a plated version would be better for PVP. Running a decent small armour repper with a 1600mm plate works decently enough to tank almost everything for the time it takes for you to chew through them. Fit max tackle in mids with cap injector and MWD, small blasters in high for added dps and small neuts to tip the balance. Here's what I use: [Ishtar, Plated] 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Damage Control II Armor Explosive Hardener II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Corpii C-Type Small Armor Repairer 10MN MicroWarpdrive II Medium Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Cap Booster 800 Shadow Serpentis Warp Disruptor Dread Guristas Stasis Webifier Dread Guristas Stasis Webifier Light Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S Light Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S Light Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S Small Unstable Power Fluctuator I Small Unstable Power Fluctuator I Trimark Armor Pump I Trimark Armor Pump I Ogre II x6 Berserker II x5 Hammerhead II x7 Warrior II x6 No need for sentries as you'll be up in their face. With my skills I get over 600 dps whilst overheating and around 54k EHP. Faction has been added gradually to improve the build, 31km overheated point and 17km overheated webs mean you can dictate the fight. Cheaper T2 also works fine. Reduced signature radius compared to passive shield setups means you'll be taking less damage too. I've flown many variations of Ishtar setups, and this is the one that I enjoy using the most. Nano passive shield was also very decent in 0.0, thanks to its increased mobility, but couldn't maintain tackle decently due to the lack of webs. -Delt
demonfurbie Minmatar Kinky Killing Kleptomaniacs BricK sQuAD.	Posted - 2009.07.30 21:31:00 - [12] armor for pvp pst for missions/plexes
EFT Worrier	Posted - 2009.07.31 00:42:00 - [13] minimum recharge rate to be viable for level 4s? that is, how many LSEs and SPRs are needed to tank most/all L4s? sorry I don't have access to EFT right now... would like to have at least 1-2 OTLs in the mids for sentries. add one hardener and that only leaves 3 LSEs max. is 2x LSEs and a AB viable?
Tippia Raddick Explorations	Posted - 2009.07.31 01:00:00 - [14] Originally by: EFT Worrier would like to have at least 1-2 OTLs in the mids for sentries. add one hardener and that only leaves 3 LSEs max. is 2x LSEs and a AB viable? If you fit an AB at all, you probably want to go all-active so you don't have to balance (passive) shield and cap regen against each other. So basically, for PvE: Do you want to sit next to your sentries and turtle-tank? Passive shield Do you want to fly around and use roaming drones (and guns)? Active armour. Are you fighting laser (or at least EM)-based enemies? Active armour. Are you fighting enemies with explosives? Passive shield. Are you fighting enemies that love missiles spam? Active armour. Are you running a mission with tons of webbing drones that also act as spawn triggers? Passive shield. You can actually set up a pretty nasty active shield tank on an Ishtar to get (kind of) the best of both worlds, but you'll end up with your lows full of cap mods and your highs largely empty due to the tight CPU available. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki
FT Diomedes Gallente Factio Paucorum	Posted - 2009.07.31 03:56:00 - [15] Originally by: Juggurnaut FT, with a fit like yours. Do you just stand their next to your sentries and fight that way, or are your orbiting around? I just sit still. The only time I move is when I am going from gate to gate. ...this doesn't even seem to be a regular case of rats fleeing the sinking ship. Seems more like the rats are on fire, the ship is on fire, and the sea is full of drunk Russians. - Jacob Etienne
Wideen Warped Mining Strip Mining Club	Posted - 2009.07.31 11:19:00 - [16] if I used an ishtar for missions I'd run an passive shield tank with high recharge rate coupled with sentries. for pvp I also like shield buffer, but that leaves little room for EW so another variant I like it a dual rep cap injected one without plate to retain mobility and speed and then run two tracking disruptor which will make any gun boat cry
Anaesthera Gallente Vanishing Point. The Initiative.	Posted - 2009.07.31 21:41:00 - [17] This is the best mission/plex loadout for an Ishtar I've ever seen: http://eve.battleclinic.com/loadout/13713-Ishtar-Solo-L4-passive-shield-drone-range.html
Rune v3nus	Posted - 2009.07.31 23:06:00 - [18] Edited by: Rune v3nus on 31/07/2009 23:14:14 i use this isthar for l4 gallente missions and it is big fun highs: 3 heavy electron blaster II + whutever crap mids: ab II + cap rechargers II + whutever crap lows: med armor rep II + eanm II + dmg ctrl II + magstab II + whutever crap rigs: aux nano pump + ccc 5x Ogre II ============ 640d dps cuts through bs like butter all perma run ofc i also carry sentries with me they are invaluable for some missions
Anaesthera Gallente Vanishing Point. The Initiative.	Posted - 2009.08.01 06:16:00 - [19] Originally by: Rune v3nus Edited by: Rune v3nus on 31/07/2009 23:20:35 i use this isthar for l4 gallente missions and it is big fun highs: 3 heavy electron blaster II + whutever crap mids: ab II + cap rechargers II + whutever crap lows: med armor rep II + eanm II + dmg ctrl II + magstab II + whutever crap rigs: aux nano pump + ccc 5x Ogre II ============ 640d dps cuts through bs like butter all perma run ofc i also carry sentries with me they are invaluable for some missions You can get 900+ dps tank with the passive shield tank
Nydia Carver	Posted - 2009.08.01 09:02:00 - [20] Originally by: Dirtknap For level 4s and PVP. Which is better? thanks. Active armor tank with permarunning AB. Your signal radius is really tiny, and you're moving 500+ms all the time. You can easily take full stage agro in any mission there is, including the sick amarr supply stash or something like that with 20+ BS.
Rune v3nus	Posted - 2009.08.01 09:48:00 - [21] Edited by: Rune v3nus on 01/08/2009 09:56:22 Originally by: Anaesthera Originally by: Rune v3nus Edited by: Rune v3nus on 31/07/2009 23:20:35 i use this isthar for l4 gallente missions and it is big fun highs: 3 heavy electron blaster II + whutever crap mids: ab II + cap rechargers II + whutever crap lows: med armor rep II + eanm II + dmg ctrl II + magstab II + whutever crap rigs: aux nano pump + ccc 5x Ogre II ============ 640d dps cuts through bs like butter all perma run ofc i also carry sentries with me they are invaluable for some missions You can get 900+ dps tank with the passive shield tank youve never flown an ishtar have you? only eft right? for missions this fit is ideal that is if you dont sit around like a tard with ab it can tank whatever room in a lvl 4 mission and stil dish out respectable damage you fly from bs to bs cutting through them fast then use salvager and tractor to pick up the wrecks while making your way to the next bs i dont know of any ship that is more effective on missions like this except marauder maybe well and of course the dominix but it is nearly not as much fun as to cruise with this fit through an npc fleet and shred it to pieces you go into a room that does over 900dps to you and then well see how quick you warp this ship wont have to warp at all if you kill webbers with sentries
Rune v3nus	Posted - 2009.08.01 10:13:00 - [22] the only advantage of shield is in a nanohac scimmy gang
Madam Squishy Southern Cross Trilogy	Posted - 2009.08.01 12:46:00 - [23] Edited by: Madam Squishy on 01/08/2009 12:49:29 This is my Ratter - 1 Medium Armor Repper 1 Hardener t2 (36 cpu) 1 Energize Specific N-type Membrane. (20cpu) 1 ANM (Cpu restraints) 1 Magnetic Field Stab t2 3 Cap Recharger t2 1 Meta 4 Cap Recharger 1 10mn afterburner t2 3 250MM Prototype Railguns 1 Prototype Cloak 1 Drone Control Range 2 Sentry Damage Rigs Should all fit with good skills. CPU is DANG tight, but works very very well. the goal is to get as much dps as humanly possible, while still having a tank you can fall back on when you do find that triple bs spawn. When you get it, drop the sentries and orbit them at 5km. (after grabbing aggro) Tank should be a cake walk. YYRU YYUB ICUR YY4ME

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