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Pinstar Colton
Sweet Asteroid Acres
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Posted - 2012.05.25 14:09:00 -
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I've noticed some prices for PI goods have been dropping lately. Anyone have any thoughts as to what may be causing this? How they might be over supplied...or if demand is starting to dry up for one reason or another. I don't make minerals. I just make ore 20% cooler. |

JitaPriceChecker2
State War Academy Caldari State
169
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Posted - 2012.05.25 16:12:00 -
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Pinstar Colton wrote:I've noticed some prices for PI goods have been dropping lately. Anyone have any thoughts as to what may be causing this? How they might be over supplied...or if demand is starting to dry up for one reason or another.
It is simple there is basically no PVP over or on planets.
No PVP = oversupply.
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papamike
Precipice Industries
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Posted - 2012.05.25 16:15:00 -
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My p4 operation is definitely feeling the pinch.
From my understanding of it, it is just a market 'recorrection' after a spike in demand just after the crucible patch and the release of POCOs.
Alot of the products are used in the construction of the offices themselves, or their gantries. The immediate demand for more and more POCOs has started to dry up as alliances no longer need by the gantries anymore. Most of the POCOs that caused the demand still stand in relatively safe 0.0 space.
This and the fact that in Low Sec many of the POCOs are ignored by the vast majority of the population means that demand is dying in the a$$.
Two things that could turn this around is a lot of 0.0 space changing hands ( and clean up operations being conducted on deep 0.0 POCOs) or a mentality shift from low sec inhabitants (ie that they start focusing on taking out the POCOs and/or hold their owners to ransom)
A further factor could be high sec PI runners mentality. I think alot of them are unwilling to commit to low sec PI running out of player owned POCOs, least they are destroyed retrieving their product or held to ransom by low sec pirates...
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Lady Zarrina
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
28
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Posted - 2012.05.25 16:27:00 -
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I know of many people rolling alts just to do PI. The prices were bound to drop with this increasing supply and above noted demand decrease. Allocate resources to FiS |

Pinstar Colton
Sweet Asteroid Acres
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Posted - 2012.05.25 16:47:00 -
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That makes sense.
I say they just need to stop seeding command centers and make them player-built with research-able BPOs that use PI goods as the raw materials to build them. I don't make minerals. I just make ore 20% cooler. |

Skydell
Space Mermaids Somethin Awfull Forums
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Posted - 2012.05.25 16:48:00 -
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There is also a bug in the PI scan and volume. Every now and then I log in to check my PI and I will have millions of raw mats over night. It's so very random it's not even something I can bug report because the bug report system is based on being able to replicate the bug and I have no idea what it's doing or how to replicate it. |

Pinstar Colton
Sweet Asteroid Acres
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Posted - 2012.05.25 17:35:00 -
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Skydell wrote:There is also a bug in the PI scan and volume. Every now and then I log in to check my PI and I will have millions of raw mats over night. It's so very random it's not even something I can bug report because the bug report system is based on being able to replicate the bug and I have no idea what it's doing or how to replicate it.
That isn't a bug, that is lower Planetology/ Advanced Planetology skills.
Without full Planetology skills, what you see on scans is not 100% accurate to what is actually there and total/hourly extractions estimates can be off in either directions.
In your case, there exist "nuggets". Tiny patches of extreme productivity that appear and vanish quickly. These patches are very small in size and tend not to show up at all on the scans of lower Planetology skilled colony builders. You very well may have accidentally put a few extractor heads on one of these nuggets, resulting in a metric F-load of goods.
From my understanding, Planetology IV and advanced Planetology IV will let you see nuggets. These nuggets are one of the incentives they put out there to encourage serious colony builders to invest even more skill points in the field. I don't make minerals. I just make ore 20% cooler. |

Slavemaster
Aliastra Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.05.25 17:42:00 -
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Pinstar Colton wrote:I've noticed some prices for PI goods have been dropping lately. Anyone have any thoughts as to what may be causing this? How they might be over supplied...or if demand is starting to dry up for one reason or another.
I made a thread about just that for 1/2 year ago or so.. I did say then, and do say now its Duped. But, everyone in the thread did say
- O-no Master its gonna get high any day soon. Its not duped Massa
I Did have a loss of 3 bil ish on robotics back then, And I did promise myself never to get into PI Duped stuff. Good thats is. Oo |

Ashina Sito
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.05.25 18:28:00 -
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Lady Zarrina wrote:I know of many people rolling alts just to do PI. The prices were bound to drop with this increasing supply and above noted demand decrease.
This.
The more time passes the more people train up PI alts resulting on more pilots doing PI meaning more supply with out having an increase in consumption. So, falling prices.
Even with a 20% decline in overall price for the PI goods I produce I can still make enough to cover PLEX for my accounts and have ISK left over. |

Ashina Sito
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
18
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Posted - 2012.05.25 18:33:00 -
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Pinstar Colton wrote:Skydell wrote:There is also a bug in the PI scan and volume. Every now and then I log in to check my PI and I will have millions of raw mats over night. It's so very random it's not even something I can bug report because the bug report system is based on being able to replicate the bug and I have no idea what it's doing or how to replicate it. That isn't a bug, that is lower Planetology/ Advanced Planetology skills. Without full Planetology skills, what you see on scans is not 100% accurate to what is actually there and total/hourly extractions estimates can be off in either directions. In your case, there exist "nuggets". Tiny patches of extreme productivity that appear and vanish quickly. These patches are very small in size and tend not to show up at all on the scans of lower Planetology skilled colony builders. You very well may have accidentally put a few extractor heads on one of these nuggets, resulting in a metric F-load of goods. From my understanding, Planetology IV and advanced Planetology IV will let you see nuggets. These nuggets are one of the incentives they put out there to encourage serious colony builders to invest even more skill points in the field.
Oh, tasty tidbit.
I have been seeing the same issue as of late. All of my pilots have low to minimal Planetology skills. I get close enough without spending the SP. I have been having issues though of having huge overflows of P0 at times. It really messes with my system. Your post resolves the issue nicely. I just could not figure out how I was screwing up my extraction method so badly.
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Scrapyard Bob
EVE University Ivy League
1046
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Posted - 2012.05.26 01:01:00 -
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papamike wrote:Two things that could turn this around is a lot of 0.0 space changing hands ( and clean up operations being conducted on deep 0.0 POCOs) or a mentality shift from low sec inhabitants (ie that they start focusing on taking out the POCOs and/or hold their owners to ransom)
The big issue with PI is that CCP hardly ever adds new recipes that require PI goods.
We need more BPOs/BPCs changed/added to the game which consume PI goods as part of the build process. Hopefully at least 5-20% of the value of the item coming from secondary sources like PI.
Implant BPCs would be an obvious choice for consuming the "biological" PI goods along with some minerals, salvage and moon goo.
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papamike
Precipice Industries
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Posted - 2012.05.26 06:58:00 -
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Scrapyard Bob wrote:
Implant BPCs would be an obvious choice for consuming the "biological" PI goods along with some minerals, salvage and moon goo.
Wouldnt that screw up the LP reward system too much for L4 runners? Or are you suggesting instead of LP giving a finished product instead having it seed the isk equiv ratio of a multi run bpc that could either be sold or built?
I agree that more PI incorporation is a good thing- even if it didnt mean a bonus to my bottom line. Was somewhat surprised to find that BPO research now requires PI goods. It had been yrs since I did any research so although it essentially caused me to have to stuff around for an extra hour or so getting product back to my research pos I still thought it was a good addition |

Scrapyard Bob
EVE University Ivy League
1047
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Posted - 2012.05.26 10:45:00 -
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papamike wrote: Wouldnt that screw up the LP reward system too much for L4 runners? Or are you suggesting instead of LP giving a finished product instead having it seed the isk equiv ratio of a multi run bpc that could either be sold or built?
The latter. Sell BPCs instead of raw implants. Maybe even change existing implant drops into 1-3 run BPCs. There's probably an order of magnitude more +5 implants that get sold every day then POS towers. So it would create a good bit of demand for harvested materials.
(I don't believe there should be BPOs for implants, it would be too easy to flood the market. Or maybe make the +1 implant a meta-zero version and seed that BPO, with the rest of the implants being meta 1-4.) |

Jdestars
Stars Research systems Incorporation
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Posted - 2012.05.26 12:05:00 -
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Etre can that you badly observed the history of the volume present in Sell order for 6 months On numerous products the put on sale volumes fell(flopped) in fine December further to the fallen due of the orders, these stock are put back(handed) on sale only now, surement a player in break of game) resuming an introduced OPA the last year
you can blabling about 0.0 renter and checking your spy in paranoic eyes mode , me sur one think High market dont depend of gastric steams of the leaders alliance in nullsec  |

Lithalnas
Privateers Privateer Alliance
115
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Posted - 2012.05.26 20:42:00 -
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the POS fuel components that come from PI are also down, this is a function of Isotopes being really high (3x of what they were 2 months ago). Because POS fuel is expensive, people are consuming less and therefore the demand for PI is less and prices are down.
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Want to assist in this endevor? (contract wars, corp/pilot recrutment) Contact one of our directors. |

papamike
Precipice Industries
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Posted - 2012.05.30 11:16:00 -
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I was chatting in SCC channel the other day and mentioned that the P3 components for some of the P4 products were actually selling for more then their p4 worth.
Is there another use for some of the p3 products apart from fuel, nanite repair paste and p4 production.
Specifically id be interested to know why Industrial Explosives seem to be so stable in price compared to the plummeting sell price of Nano-Factories.
Who the hell is buying these to sell/use the finished product at a loss?
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Pinstar Colton
Sweet Asteroid Acres
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Posted - 2012.05.30 11:43:00 -
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That, I have no clue about. Could just be price lemmings? People who already have a P3 > P4 factory setup and are just buying goods to maintain production without checking up on what the price of the P4 is doing?
Either that or they know something we don't and are hoarding P4s until some new thing causes a fresh wave of demand in them and a subsequent spike in their price...but even then they would be better off just buying and hoarding the P4s directly...
I don't make minerals. I just make ore 20% cooler. |

Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
167
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Posted - 2012.05.30 13:01:00 -
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Another possibility is the fact that POS's are starting to be taken down.
I was talking to someone in null last night and they told me that the general isotope interdiction created by Hulkageddon has raised prices so much even THEY are taking down POS's.
I am sure I am going to hear the comment "costs are irrelevant, manufacturers just pass the costs along to the consumer" , but I am not believing that completely. I think there is a significant group of POS owners who may have said "enough". |

Pinstar Colton
Sweet Asteroid Acres
100
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Posted - 2012.05.30 13:33:00 -
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Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:Another possibility is the fact that POS's are starting to be taken down.
I was talking to someone in null last night and they told me that the general isotope interdiction created by Hulkageddon has raised prices so much even THEY are taking down POS's.
I am sure I am going to hear the comment "costs are irrelevant, manufacturers just pass the costs along to the consumer" , but I am not believing that completely. I think there is a significant group of POS owners who may have said "enough".
This is both a very valid and very scary point. With hulkageddon being extended indefinitely, this could have an even more profound impact on higher end PI. I don't make minerals. I just make ore 20% cooler. |

Ken Sunji
Perkone Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2012.05.31 02:16:00 -
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EDIT: Point already posted.
Would anyone agree that it also could have a bit to do with the rising cost of fuel for towers, thus making running a POS less desirable therefore decreasing demand? |
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Pinstar Colton
Sweet Asteroid Acres
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Posted - 2012.05.31 02:45:00 -
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Ken Sunji wrote:EDIT: Point already posted.
Would anyone agree that it also could have a bit to do with the rising cost of fuel for towers, thus making running a POS less desirable therefore decreasing demand?
I agree that POS fuel PI has been dropping in price, likely for that reason...except for coolant which seems to remain strong in both price and volume. I don't make minerals. I just make ore 20% cooler. |

Ken Sunji
Perkone Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2012.05.31 02:51:00 -
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Indeed, I am noticing a downturn in demand for POS mods as well, thus further effecting demand for things like Broadcast Nodes etc etc |

Anya Ohaya
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
123
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Posted - 2012.05.31 23:59:00 -
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Maybe the increase in prices of ice products is reducing the number of operational POSs and the demand for fuel. Or maybe it's because there aren't any major wars going on in null and POSs aren't being destroyed. |

Derath Ellecon
Washburne Holdings Situation: Normal
217
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Posted - 2012.06.01 05:06:00 -
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Jdestars wrote:Etre can that you badly observed the history of the volume present in Sell order for 6 months On numerous products the put on sale volumes fell(flopped) in fine December further to the fallen due of the orders, these stock are put back(handed) on sale only now, surement a player in break of game) resuming an introduced OPA the last year you can blabling about 0.0 renter and checking your spy in paranoic eyes mode , me sur one think High market dont depend of gastric steams of the leaders alliance in nullsec  if you check some external tool site like http://www.evemarketeer.com you and check ingame book order you can see also a manipulation quote in theire tool all the order of product are not reported (eg harpy product in jita , major stock are over 40m and the site remove it in theire database ) so dont trust in it with blind eyes It is has to wonder if they try to protect the business of them customers based on macro
Ok I read this like 3 times. Bad google translate or something? |

Tobiaz
Spacerats
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Posted - 2012.06.04 09:31:00 -
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Fremi Masag
FGC Inc.
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Posted - 2012.06.04 10:23:00 -
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Derath Ellecon wrote:Jdestars wrote:Etre can that you badly observed the history of the volume present in Sell order for 6 months On numerous products the put on sale volumes fell(flopped) in fine December further to the fallen due of the orders, these stock are put back(handed) on sale only now, surement a player in break of game) resuming an introduced OPA the last year you can blabling about 0.0 renter and checking your spy in paranoic eyes mode , me sur one think High market dont depend of gastric steams of the leaders alliance in nullsec  if you check some external tool site like http://www.evemarketeer.com you and check ingame book order you can see also a manipulation quote in theire tool all the order of product are not reported (eg harpy product in jita , major stock are over 40m and the site remove it in theire database ) so dont trust in it with blind eyes It is has to wonder if they try to protect the business of them customers based on macro Ok I read this like 3 times. Bad google translate or something?
"+čtre" is French so I am assuming so. |
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