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Posted - 2004.11.17 10:04:00 - [31]

Its my understanding sig radius also effects how easy it is for a target to track you...not only target you. I would think having it to at least lvl 3 would be worth it. Almost all skills are worth having beyound 1...
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Posted - 2004.11.17 10:04:00 - [32]

Its my understanding sig radius also effects how easy it is for a target to track you...not only target you. I would think having it to at least lvl 3 would be worth it. Almost all skills are worth having beyound 1...
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Posted - 2004.11.17 10:04:00 - [33]

Its my understanding sig radius also effects how easy it is for a target to track you...not only target you. I would think having it to at least lvl 3 would be worth it. Almost all skills are worth having beyound 1...
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Posted - 2004.11.17 17:34:00 - [34]

Bit that gets me - if you use an MWD - if you get inty 5 - thats the only time you have a smaller sig than a battleship.

Claw sig -no mwd 30 - mwd=530
Inty1
no mwd 28.5 - mwd=503.5
Inty5
no mwd 22.5 - mwd=397.5

Apoc sig radius 400

See what I mean - lights you up like a christmas tree.

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CmdoColin
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Posted - 2004.11.17 17:34:00 - [35]

Bit that gets me - if you use an MWD - if you get inty 5 - thats the only time you have a smaller sig than a battleship.

Claw sig -no mwd 30 - mwd=530
Inty1
no mwd 28.5 - mwd=503.5
Inty5
no mwd 22.5 - mwd=397.5

Apoc sig radius 400

See what I mean - lights you up like a christmas tree.

Audita et altera pars
CmdoColin
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Posted - 2004.11.17 17:34:00 - [36]

Bit that gets me - if you use an MWD - if you get inty 5 - thats the only time you have a smaller sig than a battleship.

Claw sig -no mwd 30 - mwd=530
Inty1
no mwd 28.5 - mwd=503.5
Inty5
no mwd 22.5 - mwd=397.5

Apoc sig radius 400

See what I mean - lights you up like a christmas tree.

Audita et altera pars
ElderProphet
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Posted - 2004.11.18 13:56:00 - [37]

Is it haveing the MWD installed that increase the radious or is it the act of using it?
ElderProphet
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Posted - 2004.11.18 13:56:00 - [38]

Is it haveing the MWD installed that increase the radious or is it the act of using it?
ElderProphet
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Posted - 2004.11.18 13:56:00 - [39]

Is it haveing the MWD installed that increase the radious or is it the act of using it?
Jim Steele
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Posted - 2004.11.18 14:14:00 - [40]

Originally by: ElderProphet
Is it haveing the MWD installed that increase the radious or is it the act of using it?
its the act of using one, but without it you'll get chewed by missiles.


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Jim Steele
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Posted - 2004.11.18 14:14:00 - [41]

Originally by: ElderProphet
Is it haveing the MWD installed that increase the radious or is it the act of using it?
its the act of using one, but without it you'll get chewed by missiles.


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Jim Steele
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Posted - 2004.11.18 14:14:00 - [42]

Originally by: ElderProphet
Is it haveing the MWD installed that increase the radious or is it the act of using it?
its the act of using one, but without it you'll get chewed by missiles.

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CmdoColin
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Posted - 2004.11.18 17:11:00 - [43]

or you use a 10mn ab. Then the only significant risk from missiles then is cruise. Unless its more or less just pure missiles your better going oversized ab from my experience. You can still out run cruise with a 10mn ab from skill max'ed ravens, but you need to fit for it - and really think about your flying. Your possibily looking at a smaller selection of ships, some of the top end mods to do it.

Mind you if said raven fits twin mwd's and a webber, then its good night vienna. It won't matter what frig your in, you wanna be gone.

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CmdoColin
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Posted - 2004.11.18 17:11:00 - [44]

or you use a 10mn ab. Then the only significant risk from missiles then is cruise. Unless its more or less just pure missiles your better going oversized ab from my experience. You can still out run cruise with a 10mn ab from skill max'ed ravens, but you need to fit for it - and really think about your flying. Your possibily looking at a smaller selection of ships, some of the top end mods to do it.

Mind you if said raven fits twin mwd's and a webber, then its good night vienna. It won't matter what frig your in, you wanna be gone.

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CmdoColin
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Posted - 2004.11.18 17:11:00 - [45]

or you use a 10mn ab. Then the only significant risk from missiles then is cruise. Unless its more or less just pure missiles your better going oversized ab from my experience. You can still out run cruise with a 10mn ab from skill max'ed ravens, but you need to fit for it - and really think about your flying. Your possibily looking at a smaller selection of ships, some of the top end mods to do it.

Mind you if said raven fits twin mwd's and a webber, then its good night vienna. It won't matter what frig your in, you wanna be gone.

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Vampire Blade
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Posted - 2004.11.19 12:18:00 - [46]

Originally by: CmdoColin
Bit that gets me - if you use an MWD - if you get inty 5 - thats the only time you have a smaller sig than a battleship.

Claw sig -no mwd 30 - mwd=530
Inty1
no mwd 28.5 - mwd=503.5
Inty5
no mwd 22.5 - mwd=397.5

Apoc sig radius 400

See what I mean - lights you up like a christmas tree.


wrong. the signature bonus is 500%, not an extra 500m.

30+(30*5.0)=180m
22.5+(22.5*5.0)=135m
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Posted - 2004.11.19 12:18:00 - [47]

Originally by: CmdoColin
Bit that gets me - if you use an MWD - if you get inty 5 - thats the only time you have a smaller sig than a battleship.

Claw sig -no mwd 30 - mwd=530
Inty1
no mwd 28.5 - mwd=503.5
Inty5
no mwd 22.5 - mwd=397.5

Apoc sig radius 400

See what I mean - lights you up like a christmas tree.


wrong. the signature bonus is 500%, not an extra 500m.

30+(30*5.0)=180m
22.5+(22.5*5.0)=135m
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Vampire Blade
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Posted - 2004.11.19 12:18:00 - [48]

Originally by: CmdoColin
Bit that gets me - if you use an MWD - if you get inty 5 - thats the only time you have a smaller sig than a battleship.

Claw sig -no mwd 30 - mwd=530
Inty1
no mwd 28.5 - mwd=503.5
Inty5
no mwd 22.5 - mwd=397.5

Apoc sig radius 400

See what I mean - lights you up like a christmas tree.


wrong. the signature bonus is 500%, not an extra 500m.

30+(30*5.0)=180m
22.5+(22.5*5.0)=135m
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Vigilant
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Posted - 2004.11.19 14:57:00 - [49]

Originally by: Jim Steele
Originally by: ElderProphet
Is it haveing the MWD installed that increase the radious or is it the act of using it?
its the act of using one, but without it you'll get chewed by missiles.


Jim, are talking PvP or NPC's? Because I dodge NPC Missiles in my Crusader all night long... (pretty much)...with a 1 MN AB (Named)...
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Posted - 2004.11.19 14:57:00 - [50]

Originally by: Jim Steele
Originally by: ElderProphet
Is it haveing the MWD installed that increase the radious or is it the act of using it?
its the act of using one, but without it you'll get chewed by missiles.


Jim, are talking PvP or NPC's? Because I dodge NPC Missiles in my Crusader all night long... (pretty much)...with a 1 MN AB (Named)...
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Posted - 2004.11.19 14:57:00 - [51]

Originally by: Jim Steele
Originally by: ElderProphet
Is it haveing the MWD installed that increase the radious or is it the act of using it?
its the act of using one, but without it you'll get chewed by missiles.


Jim, are talking PvP or NPC's? Because I dodge NPC Missiles in my Crusader all night long... (pretty much)...with a 1 MN AB (Named)...
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Posted - 2004.11.19 17:43:00 - [52]

i think ill give that a shot
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Posted - 2004.11.19 17:43:00 - [53]

i think ill give that a shot
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Posted - 2004.11.19 17:43:00 - [54]

i think ill give that a shot
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Posted - 2004.11.20 21:15:00 - [55]

Originally by: CmdoColin
Bit that gets me - if you use an MWD - if you get inty 5 - thats the only time you have a smaller sig than a battleship.

Claw sig -no mwd 30 - mwd=530
Inty1
no mwd 28.5 - mwd=503.5
Inty5
no mwd 22.5 - mwd=397.5

Apoc sig radius 400

See what I mean - lights you up like a christmas tree.


Yep same sig radius, but here's the trick, you're also moving 20 times faster ( easy, probably more like 30 times ) which if you where to use it all as transversal also makes you 20/30 times harder to hit, and you can suffice with only using 10-25% of that speed as transversal to make yourself unhittable by battleship guns at most ranges ( the further out you are from the battleship the higher you've got to keep your transversal )
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Posted - 2004.11.20 21:15:00 - [56]

Originally by: CmdoColin
Bit that gets me - if you use an MWD - if you get inty 5 - thats the only time you have a smaller sig than a battleship.

Claw sig -no mwd 30 - mwd=530
Inty1
no mwd 28.5 - mwd=503.5
Inty5
no mwd 22.5 - mwd=397.5

Apoc sig radius 400

See what I mean - lights you up like a christmas tree.


Yep same sig radius, but here's the trick, you're also moving 20 times faster ( easy, probably more like 30 times ) which if you where to use it all as transversal also makes you 20/30 times harder to hit, and you can suffice with only using 10-25% of that speed as transversal to make yourself unhittable by battleship guns at most ranges ( the further out you are from the battleship the higher you've got to keep your transversal )
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Posted - 2004.11.20 21:15:00 - [57]

Originally by: CmdoColin
Bit that gets me - if you use an MWD - if you get inty 5 - thats the only time you have a smaller sig than a battleship.

Claw sig -no mwd 30 - mwd=530
Inty1
no mwd 28.5 - mwd=503.5
Inty5
no mwd 22.5 - mwd=397.5

Apoc sig radius 400

See what I mean - lights you up like a christmas tree.


Yep same sig radius, but here's the trick, you're also moving 20 times faster ( easy, probably more like 30 times ) which if you where to use it all as transversal also makes you 20/30 times harder to hit, and you can suffice with only using 10-25% of that speed as transversal to make yourself unhittable by battleship guns at most ranges ( the further out you are from the battleship the higher you've got to keep your transversal )

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Posted - 2004.11.20 22:14:00 - [58]

Originally by: Gariuys
Originally by: CmdoColin
Bit that gets me - if you use an MWD - if you get inty 5 - thats the only time you have a smaller sig than a battleship.

..............
See what I mean - lights you up like a christmas tree.


Yep same sig radius......


NO, not same signature radius....

Originally by: Vampire Blade


wrong. the signature bonus is 500%, not an extra 500m.

30+(30*5.0)=180m
22.5+(22.5*5.0)=135m .


Hit the nail on the head.. slightly larger sig radius than a cruiser (thorax has 140m), moving at aforementioned break-neck speeds as Gariuys correctly said, before interceptor bonus takes effect, which gets better as you increase skills......

In PvP, the MWD sig penalty isn't such a handicap as it sounds (though it does level the playing fields some what), compared to PvE where the NPC rats have perfect tracking and will much more readily slot you if you fire up your MWD.

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Posted - 2004.11.20 22:14:00 - [59]

Originally by: Gariuys
Originally by: CmdoColin
Bit that gets me - if you use an MWD - if you get inty 5 - thats the only time you have a smaller sig than a battleship.

..............
See what I mean - lights you up like a christmas tree.


Yep same sig radius......


NO, not same signature radius....

Originally by: Vampire Blade


wrong. the signature bonus is 500%, not an extra 500m.

30+(30*5.0)=180m
22.5+(22.5*5.0)=135m .


Hit the nail on the head.. slightly larger sig radius than a cruiser (thorax has 140m), moving at aforementioned break-neck speeds as Gariuys correctly said, before interceptor bonus takes effect, which gets better as you increase skills......

In PvP, the MWD sig penalty isn't such a handicap as it sounds (though it does level the playing fields some what), compared to PvE where the NPC rats have perfect tracking and will much more readily slot you if you fire up your MWD.

Arte
Arte
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Rule of Three

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Posted - 2004.11.20 22:14:00 - [60]

Originally by: Gariuys
Originally by: CmdoColin
Bit that gets me - if you use an MWD - if you get inty 5 - thats the only time you have a smaller sig than a battleship.

..............
See what I mean - lights you up like a christmas tree.


Yep same sig radius......


NO, not same signature radius....

Originally by: Vampire Blade


wrong. the signature bonus is 500%, not an extra 500m.

30+(30*5.0)=180m
22.5+(22.5*5.0)=135m .


Hit the nail on the head.. slightly larger sig radius than a cruiser (thorax has 140m), moving at aforementioned break-neck speeds as Gariuys correctly said, before interceptor bonus takes effect, which gets better as you increase skills......

In PvP, the MWD sig penalty isn't such a handicap as it sounds (though it does level the playing fields some what), compared to PvE where the NPC rats have perfect tracking and will much more readily slot you if you fire up your MWD.

   
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