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Kletus Snoe East Khanid Trading Khanid Trade Syndicate	Posted - 2009.08.01 01:05:00 - [1] As a Matar I must say I find the news of this mans death distrubing. Not because I agree with what he preached, I firmly feel he was wrong. But we as a people speak of freedom for all, what about his freedom? His right to worship a god as he chose? If the Matar as a people are to truly embrace freedom then we must be as willing to allow people the freedom to say things we cannot stand as we are to let people we agree with speak. If we limit the freedom of others to the ideals we alone choose for them then we are no better than the slavers that took our people. I mourn this mans death, not for the man but for what it shows we as a society could become and are heading down the road for. We are on the verge of becoming the things we revile most.
Koronakesh Amarr The Synenose Accord	Posted - 2009.08.01 01:12:00 - [2] So Abel Jarek has joined the ranks of countless other illustrious martyrs. Despite the pacifism of he and his followers, they appear to have brutally assaulted by rural Krusual tribesmen, an attack which the Cleric did not survive. Abel Jarek died protecting his charges from barbaric individuals, with prayers on his lips and faith in his heart, and no weapon forged by man nor by machine can destroy the memory of him and his ideals. So call your false gods, Tribals, and let them see Amarr's calm around its anger before their moment of toil.
Female Miner Minmatar	Posted - 2009.08.01 06:47:00 - [3] Masked men, it's always been masked men that have been assaulting Abel Jarek, from his arrival to now. Masked men, who do not wish for their actions to be associated with them, their family, their clan, their tribe. Masked men, hide from the ideals they publicly say they stand for. Masked men are cowards. Yes, something went wrong when filling out the pilot registration. No, I don't know how to sort it.
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2009.08.01 08:02:00 - [4] And so the ugly face of Minmatar "freedom" rears its head. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Mr Reeth	Posted - 2009.08.01 08:28:00 - [5] Is anybody surprised by this?
Havohej Minmatar Du'uma Fiisi Integrated Astrometrics	Posted - 2009.08.01 10:55:00 - [6] Edited by: Havohej on 01/08/2009 10:57:12 Originally by: Rodj Blake And so the ugly face of Minmatar "freedom" rears its head. Jarek was a pig. He was slaughtered like one. All is as it should be. Originally by: Kletus Snoe As a Matar I must say I find the news of this mans death distrubing. Not because I agree with what he preached, I firmly feel he was wrong. But we as a people speak of freedom for all, what about his freedom? His right to worship a god as he chose? If the Matar as a people are to truly embrace freedom then we must be as willing to allow people the freedom to say things we cannot stand as we are to let people we agree with speak. If we limit the freedom of others to the ideals we alone choose for them then we are no better than the slavers that took our people. I mourn this mans death, not for the man but for what it shows we as a society could become and are heading down the road for. We are on the verge of becoming the things we revile most. Go and preach that garbage in the Mandate - I think it's been clearly demonstrated that there is no place for Amarrian sympathizers or collaborators in today's Republic. "You can still steal their stuff." - CCP Explorer
Heartstone Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.08.01 12:15:00 - [7] Edited by: Heartstone on 01/08/2009 12:15:54 Too be honest condemning one group as the perpetrators right now is premature. It should also be pointed out that, if the investigations which are sure to follow do indeed turn up the killing was committed by a Matari group of vigilantes, the Matari people do not have the monopoly on people doing despicable things that are condemned by the rest of their society so the calls of the Amarrians we see here and those ones that are sure to follow can be dismissed as the usual rhetoric. What the man preached wasn't to my taste. The way he lived his life was also not to my taste. This doesn't mean however that he should have been killed for speaking his mind. Now if he was actively forcing Matari people to re-enter servitude to the Amarrians that would be another story. Heartstone. ---
Zarro Starkiler Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2009.08.01 12:23:00 - [8] I agree with ... pilot miner? If these minmatar are truly doing good, why don't they show us their faces. I find vermin like that intolerable. - Commander Starkiler
Alica Wildfire Minmatar Federal Investigations Agency	Posted - 2009.08.01 12:43:00 - [9] The death of Jarek is of cause a loss. Not only a loss of life but without investigation of this affair a loss of our freedom. Because freedom is a gift -a hard earned gift- that we give everyone inside our Republic. Even people that praise openly the most cruel offenders of this freedom - the Empire and it's religious brainwashing. I am a warrior and will always be. And this is not the way we fight. While the men were masked I don't say this was done by Minmatar. It could have been done by Amarr as well for Jarek had as many enemies in Amarr Empire as he has made here. This is not surprising after the destruction of his church. Violence is everywhere and not a matter of Empire or Republic. But before everyone is going to each others throat now, I'll say what we need now is justice. And justice means to investigate the incident with a cool state of mind. Collect the facts, do some legwork and don't judge without facts. Wait for the facts, I say. This is no time for propaganda like those we see coming from the Amarr Loyalist side. This is time for mourning. Even if this man was in fact an Enemy to our values and offended many of us Minmatar with his agenda, he was human. Violence is no answer to words. Words are answers to words. -- FREEDOM, PUNK & AUTOCANNONS
Invelious Amarr Deus Imperiosus Acies	Posted - 2009.08.01 13:51:00 - [10] Originally by: Alica Wildfire The death of Jarek is of cause a loss. Not only a loss of life but without investigation of this affair a loss of our freedom. Because freedom is a gift -a hard earned gift- that we give everyone inside our Republic. Even people that praise openly the most cruel offenders of this freedom - the Empire and it's religious brainwashing. If one willfully chooses to listen to anothers preaching, accepts what is being said, and embraces the ideal, then this is not brainwashing. Jarek forced no one, and imposed nothing on the minmatar or any other. Those who came to him and listened, did so on their own accord.
Lucius Vindictus Amarr Ordo Quaesitoris Ordo Magna	Posted - 2009.08.01 14:12:00 - [11] Originally by: Invelious If one willfully chooses to listen to anothers preaching, accepts what is being said, and embraces the ideal, then this is not brainwashing. Jarek forced no one, and imposed nothing on the minmatar or any other. Those who came to him and listened, did so on their own accord. Well said, Invelious. Abel Jarek was a great man, and like so many heroes of the faith before him, his selfless devotion led to an early death at the hands of his murderers. Tomorrow I will host a gathering with the Ordo Magna in the station orbitting Amarr VIII to honor Abel Jarek¦s memory. Anyone willing to join us in prayer is more than welcome. We will pray to God to welcome his soul at His side, and for the continued success of the cause he died for. The prayer will take place on 16:00 EVE-time. ----- Lucius Vindictus's public log.
Elsebeth Rhiannon Minmatar Gradient Electus Matari	Posted - 2009.08.01 14:15:00 - [12] Freedom does not necessarily imply that you are safe from the consequences of your actions. -- Help us defend the Republic; join Gradient today.
Alica Wildfire Minmatar Federal Investigations Agency	Posted - 2009.08.01 14:26:00 - [13] Edited by: Alica Wildfire on 01/08/2009 14:28:04 Originally by: Invelious If one willfully chooses to listen to anothers preaching, accepts what is being said, and embraces the ideal, then this is not brainwashing. Jarek forced no one, and imposed nothing on the minmatar or any other. Those who came to him and listened, did so on their own accord. The Empire is brainwashing their slaves. Religion is the poppy of people. To praise the resonance of the sigularity, the boredom of the sinewave, the Amarr god is against all the Republic is standing for. We do tolerate -as a Republic- religious believe of everyone, but this does not mean that we accept it. I was openly opposing this man and his "Mission" in our Republic but accepted that the freedom I am fighting for includes the right of a preacher as long as he does not openly calls his followers to destroy our society. I can not say that I'm sad that his mission is over, but I'm sad that it was ending like this. It was needless as well as against all the Republic is standing for. And I mourn the death of a man that just wanted to bring peace, the way he was understanding peace. But really - what did you expect? People are people. I can't go down on an Amarr planet and burn some holy scriptures or clean up my booty after I excremented into a bowl of holy water. The Amarr would rip me into pieces. Jarek was really messing around with some strong feelings of the Minmatar. I do not say that anybody deserves to be killed if he does things like that or that I support what happend. But I say, he had it coming. He was messing around with fire and he burned himself. This was as well stupid as unnessecary. I don't shed a tear for his stupidness. But I shed a tear for his life. I don't blame the victim for this, but he could have prevented it with a little bit of diplomacy. Nobody would have bothered about one preacher if he just would have been preaching. But he was using every media event for provocation and propagandistic support of his religion he could. In a land full of people that suffered from Amarr slavery for generations, what did he expect?! "Love, brother, love" for that? It was a hard to stand provocation for us Minmatar. I say: he had it coming. -- FREEDOM, PUNK & AUTOCANNONS
Mr Reeth	Posted - 2009.08.01 14:32:00 - [14] Originally by: Elsebeth Rhiannon Freedom does not necessarily imply that you are safe from the consequences of your actions. Begging your pardon madam but I do believe that the ability to speak ones mind without fear is essential to a free society. If you have to worry about masked men showing up every time you speak against popular opinion you're not exactly free are you?
Alica Wildfire Minmatar Federal Investigations Agency	Posted - 2009.08.01 14:39:00 - [15] Edited by: Alica Wildfire on 01/08/2009 14:44:46 Originally by: Mr Reeth Begging your pardon madam but I do believe that the ability to speak ones mind without fear is essential to a free society. If you have to worry about masked men showing up every time you speak against popular opinion you're not exactly free are you? Freedom does not mean you are free from consequences. What happened is wrong, but preventable. He didn't care about his security. If I would go to an Amarr cathedral with the plan to excrement and vomit into the holy water bowl, I'd come with enough people that protect me from the consequences of this if I have any interest in surviving this provocation. I do not have the freedom to do this in Amarr society for the State itself would take care of me in a most lethal way. What he did was not much different, but our laws allow him to do this. But he had to take care of his safety. He could heven have asked for police protection from our Republic and we would have given it to him. But he did not. He was too proud for that. Too proud to prepare for the consequences of his doings. I call that stupid. He was too proud to ask us for help. For we -for him- are nothing but cattle. If he would have been thinking of Minmatar as equal people, equal to him, he would not have acted as if he was something above us. He would have asked for help. Especially after the burning of his cathedral. He did not. Pride. Isn't that a sin for an Amarr? -- FREEDOM, PUNK & AUTOCANNONS
Mr Reeth	Posted - 2009.08.01 15:22:00 - [16] Originally by: Alica Wildfire Freedom does not mean you are free from consequences. What happened is wrong, but preventable. He didn't care about his security. Madam, the man was murdered for his beliefs. This is the damned definition of oppression. Freedom of speech is the damned cornerstone of a free society. Clearly the Republic is not a free society. Originally by: Alica Wildfire If I would go to an Amarr cathedral with the plan to excrement and vomit into the holy water bowl, I'd come with enough people that protect me from the consequences of this if I have any interest in surviving this provocation. Madam, doing that and speaking your mind are not the same thing. And if you were to do something like that in an Amarrian cathedral I can guarantee you would not be murdered by a masked mob. You would be taken away by the proper authorities. Originally by: Alica Wildfire I do not have the freedom to do this in Amarr society for the State itself would take care of me in a most lethal way. Desecration of sacred places is a crime everywhere. If you did the same at a shrine to the honored dead of the Minmatar Rebellion you would be arrested. And such a thing is not a capital offence in the Empireà but you would find yourself in a collar fairly quickly. Originally by: Alica Wildfire What he did was not much different, but our laws allow him to do this. But he had to take care of his safety. He could heven have asked for police protection from our Republic and we would have given it to him. But he did not. He was too proud for that. Too proud to prepare for the consequences of his doings. I call that stupid. ItÆs very different. One is a crime in a society without freedom. The other is TALKING in a free society. You cannot use the Empire as a tool for comparison in discussions about freedom. Not only are we not free we donÆt want to be free, freedom is detestable in the Empire. And while I agree that expecting or hoping for Minmatar not to murder is stupid, is this your idea of a free society? Freedom is requiring a private army to speak your mind? Originally by: Alica Wildfire He was too proud to ask us for help. For we -for him- are nothing but cattle. If he would have been thinking of Minmatar as equal people, equal to him, he would not have acted as if he was something above us. He would have asked for help. Especially after the burning of his cathedral. He did not. Pride. Isn't that a sin for an Amarr? Proud you say? Cattle you say? What he is guilty of is trusting his fellow Minmatar to do the right thing. He treated his brothers and sisters like equals and rational beings and paid the price. But you are dancing around the plain an obvious truth. A Minmatar was murdered by Minmatar in the Republic for having an unpopular opinion. The man did nothing wrong by your laws and was put to death. This is not freedom. ItÆs oppression of the worst kind.
Sky Grunthor Minmatar The Dead Parrot Shoppe Inc. Balance of Judgment	Posted - 2009.08.01 15:30:00 - [17] Abel Jerek the martyr? Not for the people of the republic at least. He was a joke and will continue to be in his death. I'd add my own sorrows for the manner of his demise but truthfully I don't really care. Everyone knew an attempt would eventually be made by someone, whether that someone was Matari seeking vengeance of some sort or Amarr seeking to create a martyr. (Threw that one if for you conspiracy types). Does this hurt freedom? No, I can't say it does. Individual acts against freedom provide an opportunity to show what freedom really means. Did the government kill Abel? if it had that would be hurting freedom for governments, whether dictatorial, collective or whatever are the antithesis of freedom regardless of governments necessity as a role. Should Abel become a martyr from this, it will be a martyr for the Amarr people, and how does that change anything? ------------------------------------------------- Search: Sky Grunthor
Kletus Snoe Minmatar	Posted - 2009.08.01 16:01:00 - [18] Originally by: Sky Grunthor Does this hurt freedom? No, I can't say it does. Individual acts against freedom provide an opportunity to show what freedom really means. Did the government kill Abel? if it had that would be hurting freedom for governments, whether dictatorial, collective or whatever are the antithesis of freedom regardless of governments necessity as a role. IF the governement does a token investigation and makes no real effort to bring to justice those guilty then they might as well have killed him because by their actions they would be condoning it. I personally would love to believe the Matar people will take this opportunity to rise above hatred and stand for real freedom and justice. I would love that we can throw this back in the Amarr face and say, see we are mopre than you have ever believed us to be. However my faith in our people is dashed whne I see the people that speak out here. The people that can olny hate and note look at building our people up, only tearing another down. The Amarr are wrong and I believe all Matar know this. However we will not destory them, ever. We instead should put our efforts toward building up our people, growing our society. It is by doing this that we most defeat the Amarr becuase it shows their propoganda as lie not by words but by actions. The Amarr will fail and will fall but not by Matar or Gallente guns. They will fall becuase their way is lost, they will fall becuase they hide in illusions and not truth. In this death Jarek may actually become a Matar hero because his death may be the proof that we as a society will not tolerate hate in any form and will support freedom in every form.
Nur AlHuda Amarr Callide Vulpis	Posted - 2009.08.01 16:02:00 - [19] His martyr death will just make Salvation Crusade much stronger and will bring more people to the true religion. He gived his amarrian life to protect an innocent minmatar man. This action will have an impact which will just put minmatar goverment in worse position then they were.
Mr Reeth	Posted - 2009.08.01 16:35:00 - [20] Originally by: Kletus Snoe IF the governement does a token investigation and makes no real effort to bring to justice those guilty then they might as well have killed him because by their actions they would be condoning it. I personally would love to believe the Matar people will take this opportunity to rise above hatred and stand for real freedom and justice. However my faith in our people is dashed whne I see the people that speak out here. The people that can olny hate and note look at building our people up, only tearing another down. We should put our efforts toward building up our people, growing our society. In this death Jarek may actually become a Matar hero because his death may be the proof that we as a society will not tolerate hate in any form and will support freedom in every form. Please note I have edited the hate from your speech. Consider editing the hate from your heart. Your society is crumbling. The Republic descends further and further into chaos everyday. You make murders into heroes and men of peace into traitors. Violence, hatred and death will be the legacy of the Republic. Matari like you who try to lift up your people and preach justice, order and tolerance may still save the Republic. But I have to wonder how long before your masked brothers come for you?
Sky Grunthor Minmatar The Dead Parrot Shoppe Inc. Balance of Judgment	Posted - 2009.08.01 16:57:00 - [21] Originally by: Nur AlHuda His martyr death will just make Salvation Crusade much stronger and will bring more people to the true religion. He gived his amarrian life to protect an innocent minmatar man. This action will have an impact which will just put minmatar goverment in worse position then they were. And this wonderful tidbit would lend credence to the possibility that it was actually the Amarr behind his death. Why assume masked men are matari, they could be anyone. /conspiracy flamage. However in truth, what this does is confirm that if anyone views him as a martyr it will only be the Amarr. Those of this "faith" will still remain deluded and regardless of their fervor, have little to no affect on the Matari people in the republic. In truth, slavery is too near a memory for the people of the Republic fall prey to his tyrannical teachings. For clarification, I mean tyrannical teachings as it teaches Matari to subjugate themselves under the Amarr, to put themselves and accept themselves under the tyranny of another. ------------------------------------------------- Search: Sky Grunthor
Alica Wildfire Minmatar Federal Investigations Agency	Posted - 2009.08.01 17:03:00 - [22] The Amarr propaganda that is creeping around the dead body of this priest is amusing. Of cause our police investigates the murder. Of cause to slay a man for whatever reason is a crime in the Republic and will be punished. But to call the existence of crime in a society the absence of freedom is just showing me that the Amarr are still far away from any faint grasp what freedom is. And what we are fighting for. What they have taken from us from so long. If you ask me: this is the big mistake and oblivious state of mind that will bring down the Empire. They simply have no idea what we are talking about. Incredible. Unbelievable. Is there anything to expect to come from Amarr about important issues that are not drained with lies, propaganda, are distorted and lack of any reason? So a stupid acting priest that was on one hand provoking the people on the other hand not taking care about a minimum security is a matyr? Then I think Amarr is full of this and if a matyr can win a war about freedom and respect then Amarr undoubly will win. But I don't think so. Matyrs just die silly little deaths and the only that are impressed by the stupid are those who are so stupid to follow the stupid. Stupid society will be washed away by history. If there ever was a fact, then this one. Ignorance is doom. But I don't want to talk bad about dead people. I just say that this death was unnecessary. And that it is just a death that finds an echo in generations of Minmatar slain and suffering under the Amarr slavery. You think our people forget the past? They will never. And as long as the Amarr act this ignorant to the value of freedom and proclaim the absence of freedom for Minmatar Republic by anything from "the guy in the bar hit me, just because I called him an idiot" to this case of murder we really can't take that serious. Proclaim this and living in a slavery state. This I call an interesting state of mind. I know some psychatrist that would be most intrested to get some of those individuals in their hand and study this case of loss of reality due to religious and political indoctrination. -- FREEDOM, PUNK & AUTOCANNONS
Mr Reeth	Posted - 2009.08.01 17:54:00 - [23] Originally by: Alica Wildfire Of cause our police investigates the murder. Of cause to slay a man for whatever reason is a crime in the Republic and will be punished. Even your own people arenÆt convinced of this in this case. Originally by: Alica Wildfire But to call the existence of crime in a society the absence of freedom is just showing me that the Amarr are still far away from any faint grasp what freedom is. And what we are fighting for. What they have taken from us from so long. This statement might be true were this murder some isolated or random incident, but it is not. It is indicative of the sickness that taints the Republic and Matari hearts. In my first post I asked if anybody was surprised. Nobody said yes. We all knew what was going to happen to this man. We all knew his own people would kill him because thatÆs how hateful and oppressive the Republic is. And we know exactly what freedom is, thatÆs why we reject it. Originally by: Alica Wildfire If you ask me: this is the big mistake and oblivious state of mind that will bring down the Empire. They simply have no idea what we are talking about. Incredible. Unbelievable. The fact that you keep missing the point and seem completely unable to grasp the deeper meaning behind this incident yet accuse others of being clueless is truly incredible and unbelievable. Originally by: Alica Wildfire Is there anything to expect to come from Amarr about important issues that are not drained with lies, propaganda, are distorted and lack of any reason? Important issue? You are the one that continues to play this off as no big deal. Originally by: Alica Wildfire So a stupid acting priest that was on one hand provoking the people on the other hand not taking care about a minimum security is a matyr? Then I think Amarr is full of this and if a matyr can win a war about freedom and respect then Amarr undoubly will win. But I don't think so. Matyrs just die silly little deaths and the only that are impressed by the stupid are those who are so stupid to follow the stupid. Right, because you super smart Minmatar never turn your dead into martyrs. Yup, thereÆs not a single shrine or monument to the honored dead in all of the Republic. Originally by: Alica Wildfire Stupid society will be washed away by history. If there ever was a fact, then this one. Ignorance is doom. Agreed. Originally by: Alica Wildfire But I don't want to talk bad about dead people. Way too late for that Madam. YouÆve already called your brother stupid multiple times in multiple posts. Originally by: Alica Wildfire I just say that this death was unnecessary. And that it is just a death that finds an echo in generations of Minmatar slain and suffering under the Amarr slavery. You think our people forget the past? They will never. And as long as the Amarr act this ignorant to the value of freedom and proclaim the absence of freedom for Minmatar Republic by anything from "the guy in the bar hit me, just because I called him an idiot" to this case of murder we really can't take that serious. Again you try to play this off like an isolated incident. It is a symptom of a greater disease. A nose bleed is no big deal on itÆs own but in this case itÆs pointing straight to a brain tumor and a fatal one at that. And in almost the same breath you start waving the slavery banner. ôSure we killed a Minmatar but lots of Minmatar get killedö is a ** excuse. Nice try though. Originally by:** Alica Wildfire Proclaim this and living in a slavery state. This I call an interesting state of mind. I know some psychatrist that would be most intrested to get some of those individuals in their hand and study this case of loss of reality due to religious and political indoctrination. ::rubs temples:: When someone from a society with absolutely no freedom or rights is stunned by how oppressive your society is it may be taken as a clue that itÆs time for some introspection. Try to see the implications and deeper meaning of this. A Minmatar was killed in the Republic by Minmatar for speaking his mind and heart. And everybody bloody knew it would happen! Did you ever consider that the reason he had no security was because he knew that short of an army there was no way he would survive and didnÆt want Minmatar police to die with him?
Sky Grunthor Minmatar The Dead Parrot Shoppe Inc. Balance of Judgment	Posted - 2009.08.01 18:12:00 - [24] Originally by: Mr Reeth Originally by: Alica Wildfire But to call the existence of crime in a society the absence of freedom is just showing me that the Amarr are still far away from any faint grasp what freedom is. And what we are fighting for. What they have taken from us from so long. This statement might be true were this murder some isolated or random incident, but it is not. It is indicative of the sickness that taints the Republic and Matari hearts. In my first post I asked if anybody was surprised. Nobody said yes. We all knew what was going to happen to this man. We all knew his own people would kill him because thatÆs how hateful and oppressive the Republic is. And we know exactly what freedom is, thatÆs why we reject it. Your bias predisposes your outcome. He was murdered because the Republic is hateful and oppressive? Not because he taught that we should be slaves, under the oppression of the Amarr by choice? Who would have guessed you would hold such a view... ------------------------------------------------- Search: Sky Grunthor
Mr Reeth	Posted - 2009.08.01 18:16:00 - [25] Originally by: Sky Grunthor Your bias predisposes your outcome. He was murdered because the Republic is hateful and oppressive? Not because he taught that we should be slaves, under the oppression of the Amarr by choice? Who would have guessed you would hold such a view... Fair statement. But were you surprised?
Sky Grunthor Minmatar The Dead Parrot Shoppe Inc. Balance of Judgment	Posted - 2009.08.01 18:19:00 - [26] Originally by: Mr Reeth Originally by: Sky Grunthor Your bias predisposes your outcome. He was murdered because the Republic is hateful and oppressive? Not because he taught that we should be slaves, under the oppression of the Amarr by choice? Who would have guessed you would hold such a view... Fair statement. But were you surprised? No, but you have just destroyed your own legitimacy on this subject, so my purpose is accomplished. Have a nice day. ------------------------------------------------- Search: Sky Grunthor
Mr Reeth	Posted - 2009.08.01 18:26:00 - [27] Originally by: Sky Grunthor No, but you have just destroyed your own legitimacy on this subject, so my purpose is accomplished. Have a nice day. While I admit that my bias may have made me see the outcome doesn't the outcome validate my possible bias?
Gaven Lok'ri Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2009.08.01 18:30:00 - [28] He has joined the ranks of the Martyrs of God. One day there may very well be churches dedicated to Saint Jarek. We will remember. Deus Vult! PIE Website Public Channel: 'PIE Public'
Shirley Serious Amarr The Khanid Sisters of Athra	Posted - 2009.08.01 18:32:00 - [29] Originally by: Sky Grunthor I mean tyrannical teachings as it teaches Matari to subjugate themselves under the Amarr, to put themselves and accept themselves under the tyranny of another. I've not read any of his sermons. But I was under the impression that rather than saying Minmatar should be glad to be slaves to Amarr, he was saying that Minmatar should accept God, thus being Freemen Believers, rather than slaves. Which would give them similar status to the Udorians, Ni-Kunni and Khanid. Which would mean the Theology Council would not accept anyone enslaving them. To enslave a Fremen Believer is pretty much blasphemy, as I understand things. Yes. Yes, I am.
Sky Grunthor Minmatar The Dead Parrot Shoppe Inc. Balance of Judgment	Posted - 2009.08.01 18:36:00 - [30] Originally by: Mr Reeth Originally by: Sky Grunthor No, but you have just destroyed your own legitimacy on this subject, so my purpose is accomplished. Have a nice day. While I admit that my bias may have made me see the outcome doesn't the outcome validate my possible bias? No it doesn't. It doesn't because such an outcome could come from a myriad of ways and at this time to automatically assume only one way would be preposterous. Your apparent unwillingness to see or accept those other ways and instead insist on your one view of the matter is self-blinding at the minimum. However, your view is unreasonable. It is too broad and inclusive and too... contrary to evidence to have any foundation in fact or truth. ------------------------------------------------- Search: Sky Grunthor

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