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Rossarian	Posted - 2009.08.05 08:30:00 - [31] Originally by: Irdia Freelancer Finally! I bet it took you only a couple of minutes tops, while others with years of experience couldn't manage it with 2 hands, a map, and intstructions! Its not the only item one can get high isk returns from. If one looks they are out there and will always be out there. Some lp purchased probes and launchers also around similar returns. Even if others get into the market, its not likely the prices will change any time soon as much of the price rise is a shortage, ie the short term/wont last being mention has been running high for as long as I've been playing and the shortage has driven prices/returns up. Demand outstrips supply, the price rises - economics 101. Myself, my last tag purchase was 14,000 tags and I've almost cleaned that out. Its obviously an obscure item to have me turn over so few tags. Yesterday I sold like 4 @48 each in Jita which is above my example of 47. Like others, I may as well get premium prices. Well, running for a Carthum admin agent qualifies as obscure for me, as does running for Sisters. You cannot use either as standard for anything. As far as EANMs go, when I bought them last time it was for 25 mil each, so thats what my 'no way you can make that much off any items with your figures' was based off. Has their price really doubled in the last month or two?
Psychotic Maniac Caldari Head Shrinkers	Posted - 2009.08.05 16:16:00 - [32] Originally by: Harry Purvis Therefore it would be a good idea for all serious mission runners to make their way to Aphend system pronto i much rather get bounties, loot, salvage farming much > doin some stupid courier mission for that admin agent.
Irdia Freelancer	Posted - 2009.08.06 00:12:00 - [33] Mission farming is a player choice. Its not about the isk as you dont make more farming. Thats not to say one can't make good isk farming missions - one can. Take someone who can't find their own backside with 2 hands, a map, and instructions. They will claim it can't be done as they haven't done it. They will emphasize their 'experience' as proof it cant be done. When given examples then its 'obscure' like the billions of isk traded every day of EANM's from just the cal navy dock in Jita 4-4. They claim that its short term - I've sold ~600 of in the last year and am a minor player in the market with the lowest return being over 3500 isk/lp. It took another reader about 2 minutes to find the item which couldn't be found by the experienced mission farmers. Carthum has other agents than the admin agent. How much courier runs does the admin agent offer? In over 700 missions offered only 20% were courier. I only get a rare EA1/5 offered as a faction mission so have little to turn down to maintain my factional standings. I run 2 characters so this means I need to get 4 courier missions (or EA 1/5) offered in 4 hours before I need to do a courier mission. Even doing courier missions I currently get around 43 mil/hr from them, with other missions returning better. There are many other items that return good isk/lp without doing missions for Carthum or Sisters of Eve - but they require players to look for them. Mission farmers with 2 hands, a map, instructions and still can't find stuff are just not up to finding these items. Isk/lp returns on items will always be profitable for those that are willing to spend effort to find them.
Lady Priestess Amarr Ammatar Free Corps	Posted - 2009.08.06 03:17:00 - [34] Edited by: Lady Priestess on 06/08/2009 03:17:44 Just have to say 'Hello thar' to Irdia.
Loco Eve	Posted - 2009.08.06 15:13:00 - [35] Originally by: Irdia Freelancer How much courier runs does the admin agent offer? In over 700 missions offered only 20% were courier. you sure about this. last i checked the % was 50/50? perhaps you're just special? ccp must let you ride on the small bus or suppin.
Terminus Vindictus Caldari	Posted - 2009.08.06 15:46:00 - [36] Edited by: Terminus Vindictus on 06/08/2009 15:49:51 Originally by: Loco Eve Originally by: Irdia Freelancer How much courier runs does the admin agent offer? In over 700 missions offered only 20% were courier. you sure about this. last i checked the % was 50/50? perhaps you're just special? ccp must let you ride on the small bus or suppin. How exactly did you check on that? Not all sources agree on the exact distribution of missions by mission type, so if you're just parroting some particular source and not your own personal extensive experience, then you could be wrong. Here's a different source I found that says differently: Administration 23.58% courier 76.14% kill Linkage Administration 76% kill 23% courier Linkage Is this more correct than your source? Not sure, but it casts doubt on any claims you may state as 'fact' when in reality you have no clue. Perhaps you're referencing a source like this (from 2004!; based on their own experience): Linkage Hello, I'm from the Government and I'm here to help.
Loco Eve	Posted - 2009.08.06 16:30:00 - [37] Originally by: Terminus Vindictus Edited by: Terminus Vindictus on 06/08/2009 15:49:51 Originally by: Loco Eve Originally by: Irdia Freelancer How much courier runs does the admin agent offer? In over 700 missions offered only 20% were courier. you sure about this. last i checked the % was 50/50? perhaps you're just special? ccp must let you ride on the small bus or suppin. How exactly did you check on that? Not all sources agree on the exact distribution of missions by mission type, so if you're just parroting some particular source and not your own personal extensive experience, then you could be wrong. Here's a different source I found that says differently: Administration 23.58% courier 76.14% kill Linkage Administration 76% kill 23% courier Linkage Is this more correct than your source? Not sure, but it casts doubt on any claims you may state as 'fact' when in reality you have no clue. Perhaps you're referencing a source like this (from 2004!; based on their own experience): Linkage evelopedia is the only source I would trust. therefore, I didn't bother checking those sources that you linked. see for yourself, just scroll down to agent missions. http://wiki.eveonline.com/wiki/Agent#Agents_by_mission_type I suppose you'll be saying that evelo has no clue next
Terminus Vindictus Caldari	Posted - 2009.08.06 16:38:00 - [38] Edited by: Terminus Vindictus on 06/08/2009 16:38:11 Originally by: Loco Eve evelopedia is the only source I would trust. therefore, I didn't bother checking those sources that you linked. see for yourself, just scroll down to agent missions. http://wiki.eveonline.com/wiki/Agent#Agents_by_mission_type I suppose you'll be saying that evelo has no clue next Where do you think the players who updated evelopedia got that information? Same sources I quoted. If you think evelopedia is gospel, then you're naive and uninformed. The whole point of evelopedia was that it's a community-driven information source to free up CCP from having to document their own game. It makes evelopedia just about as accurate as wikipedia (probably a lot less because there's only a handful of contributors to evelopedia). Do you know who Tiberyya Za or ISD Salpsan are? Do you know how and where they got the information they're posting? I don't. Unless there's a way to verify the information posted against credible sources who collected that information in a way that can be reproduced, it's just opinion and not fact. Word of advice: don't believe everything you read on the internet. Hello, I'm from the Government and I'm here to help.
Loco Eve	Posted - 2009.08.06 16:41:00 - [39] Originally by: Terminus Vindictus Edited by: Terminus Vindictus on 06/08/2009 16:38:11 Originally by: Loco Eve evelopedia is the only source I would trust. therefore, I didn't bother checking those sources that you linked. see for yourself, just scroll down to agent missions. http://wiki.eveonline.com/wiki/Agent#Agents_by_mission_type I suppose you'll be saying that evelo has no clue next Where do you think the players who updated evelopedia got that information? Same sources I quoted. If you think evelopedia is gospel, then you're naive and uninformed. The whole point of evelopedia was that it's a community-driven information source to free up CCP from having to document their own game. It makes evelopedia just about as accurate as wikipedia (probably a lot less because there's only a handful of contributors to evelopedia). Do you know who Tiberyya Za or ISD Salpsan are? Do you know how and where they got the information they're posting? I don't. Unless there's a way to verify the information posted against credible sources who collected that information in a way that can be reproduced, it's just opinion and not fact. Word of advice: don't believe everything you read on the internet. ok, to amuse you I checked you source. this is from YOUR source. "MesUno: My data for the Admin agents do support that they give out more kill than courier - Although over 44 missions it has been 59.1% kill and 40,9% courier." move on now troll.
Terminus Vindictus Caldari	Posted - 2009.08.06 16:45:00 - [40] Originally by: Loco Eve ok, to amuse you I checked you source. this is from YOUR source. "MesUno: My data for the Admin agents do support that they give out more kill than courier - Although over 44 missions it has been 59.1% kill and 40,9% courier." move on now troll. LOL no need to amuse me - I'm already amused. Clearly you only believe what you want to believe. I take your 44 missions source and trump you this: Originally by: Irdia Freelancer In over 700 missions offered only 20% were courier. Enjoy breathing your own farts. Cheers! Hello, I'm from the Government and I'm here to help.
Loco Eve	Posted - 2009.08.06 17:01:00 - [41] after checking google here are my findings. all of which are in agreement. admin agents give 50/50 kill/courier. http://evevault.ign.com/View.php?view=Guides.Detail&id=2 http://games.chruker.dk/eve_online/mission_types.php http://eve.allakhazam.com/db/guides.html?guide=796 http://news.softpedia.com/news/Eve-Online-Agent-Mission-Setups-40019.shtml http://www.ogrank.com/content/view/697/58/ http://wiki.triangle-solutions.com/index.php/EVE_Hints http://www.tentonhammer.com/node/34196 http://www.scribd.com/doc/4768276/Missions-and-Agent-Types only two that show other are evegeek, thonky, and grismar
Loco Eve	Posted - 2009.08.06 17:06:00 - [42] Originally by: Terminus Vindictus Originally by: Loco Eve ok, to amuse you I checked you source. this is from YOUR source. "MesUno: My data for the Admin agents do support that they give out more kill than courier - Although over 44 missions it has been 59.1% kill and 40,9% courier." move on now troll. LOL no need to amuse me - I'm already amused. Clearly you only believe what you want to believe. I take your 44 missions source and trump you this: Originally by: Irdia Freelancer In over 700 missions offered only 20% were courier. Enjoy breathing your own farts. Cheers! good to know that you are pwned and believe the same source in which is in question. so, let us see. evelo states 50/50. the source you linked in 44 say 60/40. hundreds more say 50/50. now, you is trumped here.
Contralto GCHQ	Posted - 2009.08.06 17:11:00 - [43] Edited by: Contralto on 06/08/2009 17:15:44 I was one of the pilots that gathered data for Pwetts project, I specialized in admin agents, I can confirm its 75/25 percent combat/Courier, I did over 400 missions for the project but thousands in total. My Gallente standing is 9.99 and my Creodron is 10.0, all the Creodron standings came from Admin missions. My name is still in the top 10 list if you care to check. http://www.starvingpoet.net/?page=Missions All the previous posters lists originate from many years ago and can be found in many places and many Bio's, they are all copied from the original incorrect source.
Loco Eve	Posted - 2009.08.06 17:28:00 - [44] Originally by: Contralto Edited by: Contralto on 06/08/2009 17:17:29 I was one of the pilots that gathered data for Pwetts project, I specialized in admin agents, I can confirm its 75/25 percent combat/Courier, I did over 400 missions for the project but thousands in total. My Gallente standing is 9.99 and my Creodron is 10.0, all the Creodron standings came from Admin missions. My name is still in the top 10 list if you care to check. http://www.starvingpoet.net/?page=Missions All the previous posters lists originate from many years ago and can be found in many places and many Bio's, they are all copied from the original incorrect source. How many thousand Admin missions have you done to base your opinions on Loco? so, you're going off a site that only tracks the missions you run cause You said that you ran it. What about the courier missions you declined? Did you think of taking those into account? as far as admin agents go. From my own personal exp. I know enough not talk to them because they like to give out many (about 50%) courier missions. which we all know are a waste of time when kill pay so much more. CCP. THE GAME DEVS. report 50/50 for admin agents. and until they state otherwise that is what I will beleive.
Contralto GCHQ	Posted - 2009.08.06 17:34:00 - [45] All missions offered were logged! and you Sir are one hard headed skeptic with no solid basis for your Opinions
Loco Eve	Posted - 2009.08.06 17:44:00 - [46] Originally by: Contralto All missions offered were logged! and you Sir are one hard headed skeptic with no solid basis for your Opinions ok, you're right. you along with the other 1% or so of the whole eve-online community using admin agents and CCP MUST be wrong cause 1% of you say so.
Terminus Vindictus Caldari	Posted - 2009.08.06 18:11:00 - [47] Originally by: Loco Eve CCP. THE GAME DEVS. report 50/50 for admin agents. and until they state otherwise that is what I will beleive. Source please. Where has CCP officially stated the distribution of missions for various agents? You're just making stuff up as you go along, and only digging yourself into a deeper hole. You come on these boards to flame someone with actual experience and collecting data on these types of missions by quoting some random, old data that others who bother collecting extensive data have already disproven when you yourself have no experience running those missions, and now that your opinions are being challenged you're just spewing more garbage. Just man up and admit that you were wrong already (fat chance of that, I know). Hello, I'm from the Government and I'm here to help.
Cycotic Maniac	Posted - 2009.08.06 18:15:00 - [48] Originally by: Terminus Vindictus Originally by: Loco Eve CCP. THE GAME DEVS. report 50/50 for admin agents. and until they state otherwise that is what I will beleive. Source please. Where has CCP officially stated the distribution of missions for various agents? You're just making stuff up as you go along, and only digging yourself into a deeper hole. You come on these boards to flame someone with actual experience and collecting data on these types of missions by quoting some random, old data that others who bother collecting extensive data have already disproven when you yourself have no experience running those missions, and now that your opinions are being challenged you're just spewing more garbage. Just man up and admit that you were wrong already (fat chance of that, I know). who do you think wrote evelo facts? CCP
Terminus Vindictus Caldari	Posted - 2009.08.06 19:26:00 - [49] Originally by: Cycotic Maniac who do you think wrote evelo facts? CCP Seriously, what part of user-generated content monitored by player volunteers do you guys not understand. It's really not that difficult of a concept to grasp. Some of the content on EVElopedia was pulled from the old CCP descriptions on how some of the stuff works, but the vast majority of it has been posted by players who either wrote their own entries, or who gathered whatever was available on a particular subject from the wider internet. When CCP first launched EVElopedia, it was an empty shell. EVElopedia is NOT written by CCP, which means it's NOT the absolute truth about the game mechanics. It's the best available information that players posted until it gets challenged by other players with conflicting information. Hello, I'm from the Government and I'm here to help.
Cycotic Maniac	Posted - 2009.08.06 19:49:00 - [50] Edited by: Cycotic Maniac on 06/08/2009 19:50:37 Originally by: Terminus Vindictus Originally by: Cycotic Maniac who do you think wrote evelo facts? CCP Seriously, what part of user-generated content monitored by player volunteers do you guys not understand. It's really not that difficult of a concept to grasp. Some of the content on EVElopedia was pulled from the old CCP descriptions on how some of the stuff works, but the vast majority of it has been posted by players who either wrote their own entries, or who gathered whatever was available on a particular subject from the wider internet. When CCP first launched EVElopedia, it was an empty shell. EVElopedia is NOT written by CCP, which means it's NOT the absolute truth about the game mechanics. It's the best available information that players posted until it gets challenged by other players with conflicting information. check this link and the warning in red "Warning: The table below does not consist of official CCP information. It contains data based on player resource websites like Evegeek.com " looking at that. eve geek is not official and CCP official data shows 50/50. Futhermore, if you look at the bottom of the evelo website it will tell you CCP Copyright. Now, I don't know where you come from but that cleary tells me who wrote evelo.
Contralto GCHQ	Posted - 2009.08.06 21:51:00 - [51] Loco Eve = Cycotic Maniac Why have you suddenly decided to add your own voice to your hole digging?

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