Originally by: dastommy79

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Aggro was not doing well and not helping out alot. Your numbers where horrible and that leaked alliance meeting showed you guys were not being able to hold it together. Neither Atlas or AAA wanted immensia. There was no plans on removing you from that space. I think if you guys could have pulled yourselves together and shown you were competent (i am not insulting anyone in paticular and dont want that statement to encompase your whole group. There were many standup good people in your ranks) things would have changed. At the time you were a liability and couldnt be depended on IE the reset. The same goes for the whole minor threat/cow thing. There are many good players in your alliances, some old friends (sup rabbid and panzer) but again the failures made you a liability so you got da reset. Minor Threats joining of the goonwagon though has sealed their fate. They will not be treated as the neighbors we like to pew pew, you people took it to the next level.

Also the whole failing at EVE is kinda our thing. We dont like competition for that title and prefer to keep us as the weakest link in the Free South. Hell even lolkia make us look bad and thats p. horrible.

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Originally by: dastommy79

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you people took it to the next level.

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Originally by: Lickity Split

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Originally by: dastommy79

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you people took it to the next level.

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by next level do you mean allies that wont use them for their own needs and then discard them?

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Originally by: dastommy79

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Edited by: dastommy79 on 06/08/2009 02:46:08

Originally by: Lickity Split

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Originally by: dastommy79

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you people took it to the next level.

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by next level do you mean allies that wont use them for their own needs and then discard them?

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you know they napped goonswarm right?

edit: and you are one of the bad apples that ruined it for everyone else. I hope no alliance is ever dumb enough to let you enter their ranks ever again

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Originally by: dastommy79

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Aggro was not doing well and not helping out alot. Your numbers where horrible and that leaked alliance meeting showed you guys were not being able to hold it together. Neither Atlas or AAA wanted immensia. There was no plans on removing you from that space. I think if you guys could have pulled yourselves together and shown you were competent (i am not insulting anyone in paticular and dont want that statement to encompase your whole group. There were many standup good people in your ranks) things would have changed. At the time you were a liability and couldnt be depended on IE the reset. The same goes for the whole minor threat/cow thing. There are many good players in your alliances, some old friends (sup rabbid and panzer) but again the failures made you a liability so you got da reset. Minor Threats joining of the goonwagon though has sealed their fate. They will not be treated as the neighbors we like to pew pew, you people took it to the next level.

Also the whole failing at EVE is kinda our thing. We dont like competition for that title and prefer to keep us as the weakest link in the Free South. Hell even lolkia make us look bad and thats p. horrible.

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Originally by: Karunel

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You can look at it any way you want, it still doesn't change the simple facts.

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Originally by: Karunel

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You can look at it any way you want, it still doesn't change the simple facts.

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Originally by: Dabigredboat

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That atlas will die alone without any allies because they refuse to help those that help them or throw away the ones still around?

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Originally by: Lickity Split

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I dont think of it as napped goonswarm. I look at it as they really want Atlas to perish and helping goons will make that happen sooner.

Lickity Split
The Bad Apple

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Originally by: Grim Faust

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Originally by: Lickity Split

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I dont think of it as napped goonswarm. I look at it as they really want Atlas to perish and helping goons will make that happen sooner.

Lickity Split
The Bad Apple

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Really? Because I look at it as Minor Threat not really liking Goon's, which is why they weren't blue in the first place. Until of course Goon's were breathing down their necks. It's funny how pressure changes peoples morales. I'm pretty sure half the people napped with Goon's don't really like them and they only did so to avoid conflict, not because they share a common enemy. But that's just good business sense, nothing wrong with saving your own keister right?

If Goon's fall, I would put money on half their nap list turning to blue whomever was taking them down.

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Originally by: Lickity Split

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Its not pressure, its the fact that the Bob, aaa, Ex GBC group continually screwed over allies. Atlas is trying to be the "new" bob and has started with having a Pompus attitude towards anyone with less caps than them. The main difference is Atlas couldnt hold Bob's jock strap.

I am actually pulling for atlas a bit. It will be great when the heads of the leadership swell to unstainable size and we can all watch a huge failcascade. maybe we can necro this thread and all have a laugh.

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Originally by: Grim Faust

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Edited by: Grim Faust on 06/08/2009 16:56:14

Originally by: Lickity Split

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Its not pressure, its the fact that the Bob, aaa, Ex GBC group continually screwed over allies. Atlas is trying to be the "new" bob and has started with having a Pompus attitude towards anyone with less caps than them. The main difference is Atlas couldnt hold Bob's jock strap.

I am actually pulling for atlas a bit. It will be great when the heads of the leadership swell to unstainable size and we can all watch a huge failcascade. maybe we can necro this thread and all have a laugh.

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It's not Atlas' fault that their allies can't fend for themselves. Anyone that seems to get space is usually steam rolled by Goon's and Co. if they don't blue them, so this should be no surprise. There's not many sides to choose from and if by chance you don't choose to blue the Goon's, why is it always AAA and Atlas that have to save everyone?

It's nice to have friends, but if Goon's keep picking on alliances that can't fight back, it's obvious that stronger alliances are going to get sick of spending isk on logistics to fly off to fight for small alliances that for god knows what reason Goon's keep picking fights with.

If you want to blame someone for the losses of small alliances, you can squarely put it on Goon's for avoiding full out war with larger alliances such as AAA and Atlas. Until that happens though, Atlas and AAA have every right to do as they please, if someone cares to disagree, then they can go on ahead and invade AAA/Atlas space and stop beating around the bush.

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Originally by: Lickity Split

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Its not pressure, its the fact that the Bob, aaa, Ex GBC group continually screwed over allies.

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Originally by: Lickity Split

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See the point of allies is you help fend off hostiles. As for goon not taking on larger alliances, really? you are going to say that? They defeated bob with the help of (get this) ALLIES. You should really stop posting.

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Originally by: Yafn

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Originally by: Lickity Split

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Its not pressure, its the fact that the Bob, aaa, Ex GBC group continually screwed over allies.

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Only because the Allies they picked were ****ing awful for the most part.

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Originally by: TrustThePilot

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my Grammer Is gooder

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Originally by: Grim Faust

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Originally by: Lickity Split

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See the point of allies is you help fend off hostiles. As for goon not taking on larger alliances, really? you are going to say that? They defeated bob with the help of (get this) ALLIES. You should really stop posting.

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Yes, Goon's are awesome. This is why they're fighting smaller alliances and avoiding war with AAA/Atlas.

My guess is they either don't have a spy in place yet to make it easy or they just enjoy attacking small alliances that pose no threat. The fact though that everyone that loses to Goon's is by the Goon's own doing. Maybe you should stop posting if you don't understand that. Or you can just blame Atlas/AAA because it's the 'in' thing to do.

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Originally by: Grim Faust

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Yes, Goon's are awesome. This is why they're fighting smaller alliances and avoiding war with AAA/Atlas.

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Originally by: Cosmo Raata

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Goons is simply exposing who atlas/AAA are. The fact that Atlas/AAA wont help their allies will eventually push the rest of eve against them for being A55holes. So yeah, goons are so awful that they are using a good strategy for eventually destroying Atlas/AAA. Shame on them.

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Originally by: Grim Faust

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Originally by: Cosmo Raata

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Goons is simply exposing who atlas/AAA are. The fact that Atlas/AAA wont help their allies will eventually push the rest of eve against them for being A55holes. So yeah, goons are so awful that they are using a good strategy for eventually destroying Atlas/AAA. Shame on them.

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You're right, they're a varitable pantheon of goodness for attacking small alliances. The people will rally behind them to kill the evil Atlas/AAA that are minding their business. Or if they don't rally behind Goon's, the Goon's will steam roll them and blame AAA/Atlas for not helping! Ingenious! My app is already in, I can't wait to be a part of taking out one of the last bastions 0.0 has for opposition. Soon we'll all be napped, running around doing the carebear stare on anyone who tries to take it away!

Can I be Grumpy Bear?!

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Originally by: Cosmo Raata

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Don't kid yourself, every last member of what Aggression was (2000+) hated goons, but would rather see Atlas die now. Every Minor Threat member originally hated goons, but would rather see Atlas die now. As much as goons are/were disliked, Atlas has overtaken them as the most disliked alliance in eve. It comes down to the fact that being a liar is worse than being an immature smack talker.

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Originally by: Cosmo Raata

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Atlas....A pitiful alliance that couldn't compete with EXE in terms of numbers and ability.....they had a chance to take some empty space and AAA let them keep some high ends......shock......good alliance.

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Originally by: Cosmo Raata

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So, keep following your leader Bobby Atlas, he'll take you to the promised land, until you are no longer useful to him.

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Originally by: Yafn

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Originally by: Cosmo Raata

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Atlas....A pitiful alliance that couldn't compete with EXE in terms of numbers and ability.....they had a chance to take some empty space and AAA let them keep some high ends......shock......good alliance.

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Since when has EXE ever had 2600 members and the ability to field 200 caps on their own?

Originally by: Cosmo Raata

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So, keep following your leader Bobby Atlas, he'll take you to the promised land, until you are no longer useful to him.

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I thought the promise land in eve was Delve, are you assuming that AAA/Atlas's endgame is to own Delve?

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Originally by: Grim Faust

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Edited by: Grim Faust on 06/08/2009 18:17:12

Originally by: Cosmo Raata

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Don't kid yourself, every last member of what Aggression was (2000+) hated goons, but would rather see Atlas die now. Every Minor Threat member originally hated goons, but would rather see Atlas die now. As much as goons are/were disliked, Atlas has overtaken them as the most disliked alliance in eve. It comes down to the fact that being a liar is worse than being an immature smack talker.

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So let's just clear the air. Goon's and Atlas are the primary powers in opposition right now in 0.0. ( aside AAA but no one seems to mind them not doing anything about Goon's so we'll just leave them out for the sake of my point ) You essentially have 2 choices. If Atlas was nice enough to let someone have space in the first place, how is it then all of the sudden their responsibility to landlord that space? Were these people renting? No. They were out there cashing in on 0.0 and Atlas turned a blind eye. But hey, Goon's comes along with the nap train and all of the sudden it's Atlas' problem and they should drop everything just because they let these people have the space. That logic makes you sound dumber than a box of hair.

What's more, I was in -V- which just got rolled by Goon's. I knew from the start that -V- taking all that space was a bad move, but I moved my assets out there anyway. Sure enough, they took too much too soon, grabbed the attention of people they shouldn't have and I'm all the poorer now that my assets are locked in enemy space. Did this make me blame Atlas? Hell no. It makes me want to take Goon's out all the more, not put on a nice shade of blue and bend over for them.

This reminds me of obese people blaming McDonald's for making them fat. Here's a pro tip, try have a little self-respect and look after your own shit and don't blame others for not intervening when you're too retarded to help yourself. There's plenty of room in empire for you if you can't.

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Originally by: Grim Faust

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Yes, Goon's are awesome. This is why they're fighting smaller alliances and avoiding war with AAA/Atlas.

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Originally by: Cosmo Raata

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Technically then, you should have been upset with Atlas for resetting Aggression, because Aggression was more of a friend to you than Atlas ever was. But to each his own, go ahead and fight on that side more. Perhaps you'll realize someday that Atlas used -V- as a meat shield to achieve their own goals and you lost space because Atlas could care less about the area you took. They got the high ends and the locations they wanted and that was enough.

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Originally by: Bobby Atlas

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The alliance raining doom has no standings with ATLAS, similar to -v- they made a grab attempt at neutral sov stations in insmother that nobody else could be arsed to put towers inside of, in the wake of the RA drama. It remains to be seen if these entities can withstand a direct contest for there new found holdings, not implying ATLAS will or won't, or to what end they are committed to this space.

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