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Draktok Vol'jin
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.05.26 01:48:00 -
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As you may or may not know, Eve went on sale (for like 7 bucks for a new account) on steam, so I and 4 other friends bought the game totally unaware of how the game is meant to be played or what you do besides fly around in space.
I was really taken aback by all the hate and flame on the forums, as I've been thoroughly enjoying myself as have my friends. That said, I also really really enjoy how the inventory is set up. I'm not sure how it was before, so I don't know what I'm missing, but the inventory as is is pretty user friendly and kickass.
I also think it's silly for -anyone- to claim the game is dying. We've only been playing a few days, but there's 20-40k players online at all times. If there was only a total of 40k unique users, spending ~$12 a month on the game, that's still $480,000 a month. And i'm sure there is a lot more than 40k unique subs.
I just wanted to offer my input on all your silly whining. Of all the game communities (League, WoW, MC most recent) i haven't seen such a big whiny WE'RE GONNA UNSUB mess, ever. It's simply astounding.
Even if I don't continue to play after one month, this game is beautifully crafted and incredibly in depth, it's just amazing. I'm enjoying myself, and it's too bad so many of you can't seem to do the same 
EDIT: I also realized walking around may be a new feature? I actually thought it was really cool heh, why does no one want this? Kinda defeats making a character if you can't see him. I thought walking around in a little spacestation was interesting even if it adds nothing to gameplay.
(also thanks for the steam sale to get us to try the game out Eve devs or steam devs, whoever does that) |
Fredfredbug4
The Scope
Gallente Federation
344
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Posted - 2012.05.26 01:51:00 -
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Welcome to a video game forum. There are many like it, but this one is ours.
Rule one of video game forums: Nobody is happy in a video game forum
Rule two of video game forums: NOBODY IS HAPPY IN A VIDEO GAME FORUM
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trite boon
Solar Revenue Service
F0RCEFUL ENTRY
5
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Posted - 2012.05.26 01:52:00 -
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+7 |
Draktok Vol'jin
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
1
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Posted - 2012.05.26 01:52:00 -
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Fredfredbug4 wrote:Welcome to a video game forum. There are many like it, but this one is ours.
Rule one of video game forums: Nobody is happy in a video game forum
Rule two of video game forums: NOBODY IS HAPPY IN A VIDEO GAME FORUM
But I've found this one is particularly unhappy :p Do you yourself dislike the game? I'm enjoying it. |
trite boon
Solar Revenue Service
F0RCEFUL ENTRY
5
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Posted - 2012.05.26 01:53:00 -
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Fredfredbug4 wrote:Welcome to a video game forum. There are many like it, but this one is ours.
Rule one of video game forums: Nobody is happy in a video game forum
Rule two of video game forums: NOBODY IS HAPPY IN A VIDEO GAME FORUM
Is there a 3rd rule ?
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AFK Hauler
State War Academy
Caldari State
168
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Posted - 2012.05.26 01:53:00 -
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Draktok Vol'jin wrote:Fredfredbug4 wrote:Welcome to a video game forum. There are many like it, but this one is ours.
Rule one of video game forums: Nobody is happy in a video game forum
Rule two of video game forums: NOBODY IS HAPPY IN A VIDEO GAME FORUM
But I've found this one is particularly unhappy :p Do you yourself dislike the game? I'm enjoying it.
EVE is not like other games.
We believe in some twisted way that we have a say in how the game is developed... It didn't go our way (or the way of those who have a disagreement).
Welcome to EVE, you get use to it.
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Anya Ohaya
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
120
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Posted - 2012.05.26 01:54:00 -
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If you ignore General Discussion and the Corporate and Alliance sub-forums there is a lot of useful information on how to play EVE in the forums.
There is only so much you'll learn from the tutorials. |
Draktok Vol'jin
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
1
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Posted - 2012.05.26 01:54:00 -
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trite boon wrote:Fredfredbug4 wrote:Welcome to a video game forum. There are many like it, but this one is ours.
Rule one of video game forums: Nobody is happy in a video game forum
Rule two of video game forums: NOBODY IS HAPPY IN A VIDEO GAME FORUM
Is there a 3rd rule ?
Nobody is happy about nobody being happy? |
Draktok Vol'jin
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
1
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Posted - 2012.05.26 01:55:00 -
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Anya Ohaya wrote:If you ignore General Discussion and the Corporate and Alliance sub-forums there is a lot of useful information on how to play EVE in the forums.
There is only so much you'll learn from the tutorials.
Yes after completing the Industry and Business 10 mission tutorials i'm sort of at a loss, is there somewhere else I should venture for more missions, or begin my mining industry? |
Stigman Zuwadza
Repercussus
RAZOR Alliance
23
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Posted - 2012.05.26 01:56:00 -
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I blame the VET players for the hostility on the forums, they're a bunch of whining motherfuckers. 
Have a good one. o7
DISCLAIMER: The above comment is totally unfounded and is posted for the purpose of bringing out some of that much loved hostility, well, ones hopes.
CCP: Cloak Hunters - CSM6: Cautiously positive - Dec 2011 Summit - Minutes (pg. 22).
Cloaking Technicalities Explained - CSM7 Town Hall Meeting - May 2012 |
SetrakDark
DarkCorp Capital Group
DarkCorp Imperium
24
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Posted - 2012.05.26 02:00:00 -
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Just don't read the GD subforum.
Most of the rest is actually pretty good as far as video game forums go. Particularly in terms of asking for input/help, if you spend the time to do some research and frame your question properly.
CCP talks a lot about the "new player experience" and "player retention", while one of the best things they could do in these areas is just nuke this subforum altogether. |
Draktok Vol'jin
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
1
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Posted - 2012.05.26 02:03:00 -
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Thanks for the info :D |
Jonah Gravenstein
412
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Posted - 2012.05.26 02:03:00 -
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Welcome aboard, the forums by no means demonstrate the feelings of all the people that play. A lot of players don't even bother with the forums to be honest, this has been proved time & time again by the annual hulkageddon event which is publicised in advance and people still fly hulks.
The only time that I can remember when the rage was actually justified is when someone at CCP leaked a document about microtransactions while CCP released an expansion that was very much unfinished with a cash store integrated into it.
Eve is indeed extremely deep, and probably very unlike any other game you've ever played, stick around, explore your options, be a carebear, be a pirate, venture into lawless space, kill stuff, be killed & basically have fun. It is a true sandbox with very very few rules, you will be scammed, you will be an unwilling participant in PVP but you have the oppurtunity to do unto others before they do unto you.
Fly safe 07
War hasn't been fought this badly since Olaf the Hairy, High Chief of all the Vikings, accidentally ordered 80,000 battle helmets with the horns on the inside. |
Fiye Tao
Klarhet Efficiency Applications Ltd.
3
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Posted - 2012.05.26 02:04:00 -
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General forums isn't the place for this really. Not necessarily because of structure of the forum itself, but because of the people. If you're interested in Industry, try the science and industry forums - lots of helpful people over there. Look through a few pages before posting anything as you may find that most of your questions have already been answered within the past couple of days.
Another good resource is the EVE online subreddit (reddit.com/r/eve). Similarly, just look through a few pages. A lot of new people ask for advice there. Also, there are a temendous amount of guides and blogs that are tailored to very new players looking to begin their ventures. They'll tell you everything you need to know.
If there's any piece of advice (that I don't follow) I can give you for enjoying the game, it's don't fly alone. Find a corporation. They'll be able to offer you immediate assistance in getting started if they're that kind of bunch. |
Draktok Vol'jin
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
3
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Posted - 2012.05.26 02:07:00 -
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Thanks for the info again! My friends and I are hoping to get another 2 friends to join up, and we'll hopefully start up a tiny mini corp just for us to have fun in. I understand going with one of the industry giants is probably better, but something about this game feels more fun and rewarding when sticking to close friends :)
I'll check out that subforum though! |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
880
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Posted - 2012.05.26 02:12:00 -
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Fiye Tao wrote:Another good resource is the EVE online subreddit (reddit.com/r/eve). Similarly, just look through a few pages. A lot of new people ask for advice there. Also, there are a temendous amount of guides and blogs that are tailored to very new players looking to begin their ventures. They'll tell you everything you need to know.
If there's any piece of advice (that I don't follow) I can give you for enjoying the game, it's don't fly alone. Find a corporation. They'll be able to offer you immediate assistance in getting started if they're that kind of bunch.
Reddit? Isn't that where some of TEST come from?
Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
Apolyon I
AQUILA INC
Verge of Collapse
48
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Posted - 2012.05.26 02:15:00 -
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Draktok Vol'jin wrote:Anya Ohaya wrote:If you ignore General Discussion and the Corporate and Alliance sub-forums there is a lot of useful information on how to play EVE in the forums.
There is only so much you'll learn from the tutorials. Yes after completing the Industry and Business 10 mission tutorials i'm sort of at a loss, is there somewhere else I should venture for more missions, or begin my mining industry?
you're free to do whatever you want, there's no pattern on what you should do.
the goal set out by you |
Fiye Tao
Klarhet Efficiency Applications Ltd.
4
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Posted - 2012.05.26 02:19:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:
Reddit? Isn't that where some of TEST come from?
Yes. By no means are they directly related though. There's plenty of normies in the EVE subeddit. |
Karn Dulake
Souls Must Be Trampled
The.Alliance
795
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Posted - 2012.05.26 02:27:00 -
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Welcome to EVE online. Its a great game with a great community.
Dont worry about the hate and moaning. Its just the bitter vets having their say.
You have quite a few years before you get there so just enjoy yourself
I dont normally troll, but when i do i do it on General Discussion. |
Jake Warbird
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
1216
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Posted - 2012.05.26 02:33:00 -
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Eve Online, came for the game, stayed for the forums. |
Vyl Vit
Cambio Enterprises
531
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Posted - 2012.05.26 02:45:00 -
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Oh! (Hi!) You're unaware! The forum is a haven for the delusional. You might notice 40,000 people don't post here. To the in-game population the forum is a joke and only fools post in it. I started posting here when I discovered CCP actually listens to these people.
Anyone with any sense has already left town. |
EmanRetne
The Iceslave
0
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Posted - 2012.05.26 02:54:00 -
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just a thought, rule 34 on eve! |
Barbelo Valentinian
The Scope
Gallente Federation
217
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Posted - 2012.05.26 03:29:00 -
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Draktok Vol'jin wrote:As you may or may not know, Eve went on sale (for like 7 bucks for a new account) on steam, so I and 4 other friends bought the game totally unaware of how the game is meant to be played or what you do besides fly around in space. I was really taken aback by all the hate and flame on the forums, as I've been thoroughly enjoying myself as have my friends. That said, I also really really enjoy how the inventory is set up. I'm not sure how it was before, so I don't know what I'm missing, but the inventory as is is pretty user friendly and kickass. I also think it's silly for -anyone- to claim the game is dying. We've only been playing a few days, but there's 20-40k players online at all times. If there was only a total of 40k unique users, spending ~$12 a month on the game, that's still $480,000 a month. And i'm sure there is a lot more than 40k unique subs. I just wanted to offer my input on all your silly whining. Of all the game communities (League, WoW, MC most recent) i haven't seen such a big whiny WE'RE GONNA UNSUB mess, ever. It's simply astounding. Even if I don't continue to play after one month, this game is beautifully crafted and incredibly in depth, it's just amazing. I'm enjoying myself, and it's too bad so many of you can't seem to do the same EDIT: I also realized walking around may be a new feature? I actually thought it was really cool heh, why does no one want this? Kinda defeats making a character if you can't see him. I thought walking around in a little spacestation was interesting even if it adds nothing to gameplay. (also thanks for the steam sale to get us to try the game out Eve devs or steam devs, whoever does that)
It's not normally full of "I will unsub" posts. That only happens when you have stupid changes that upset large-ish percentages of the playerbase.
The last time it happened was last year after the Incarna update. And there have been times before as well. But normally, it's just full of (usually) good-humoured trolling and baiting.
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Corina Jarr
Spazzoid Enterprises
Purpose Built
786
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Posted - 2012.05.26 03:32:00 -
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Welcome, and its probably best to avoid GD unless you enjoy self punishment. |
RubyPorto
SniggWaffe
YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
1593
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Posted - 2012.05.26 03:37:00 -
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Draktok Vol'jin wrote:Stuffs.
There're a couple of reasons for all this:
First, in recent history, CCP has failed to respond to actions less extreme than mass unsubs combined with loud protests. Last summer's Jita riots were in response to an absurd failure of CCP to listen to very clear protestation on this forum. So the "Hey Guize, let's UNSUB NAO" meme is probably here to stay until CCP shows a significant pattern of listening to people on the forums (this new inventory is very nice, and will probably become great, but it's been released before it's ready, and quite a number of smart people on the forums have been telling CCP that for a while).
Second, there are two major camps on how EvE should evolve and change over time, specifically in relation to non-consensual PvP and Scams.
The camp that would prefer to end non-consensual PvP (to head this off, Safe Zones would end non-consensual PvP by making leaving the zone = consent) and/or scamming tends to be very vocal about venting their frustration when they find themselves on the losing end of a non-consensual PvP encounter and tend to believe that CCP needs to take a much more active role in regulating the amount of power that groups of players can amass (OTEC, Burn Jita, HAG, etc. all have threads calling for CCP intervention). The core argument here is that EvE is a game and as such, players should be insulated from the parts of the game they do not enjoy.
The camp that believe's that EvE's core is it's capacity for non-consensual PvP and/or Scamming also tends to be very vocal in defending the current state of the game that they chose to play because of that core idea. This camp tends to see groups projecting power (OTEC, etc) as a game feature, noting that in a sandbox Players create content, and anything that a group of players can do to increase intraplayer interaction is creating content. The core argument here is that EvE has always been a place for non-consensual PvP and Scamming and that changing that would violate their expectation that the basic premise of an MMO should remain consistent to allow people the continued enjoyment of a game they have supported.
These camps don't really have much ground for compromise, since the issue is essentially a binary option, and neither camp is often able to convince anyone on the other camp, the argument tends to get loud and heated.
In summary, the reason the whining is this loud and unsub threats are this prevalent, is that we have a heated argument over the future of a game we're heavily invested in and a game company who has shown that they don't listen to much other than actual unsubs.
Single-Shard, Player Driven-áSandbox.
5 words. That's what makes it special. |
SetrakDark
DarkCorp Capital Group
DarkCorp Imperium
25
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Posted - 2012.05.26 03:52:00 -
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that was far too good a post for eve-o gd
i demand you replace it with "die carebear noobfags" at once |
Oberine Noriepa
755
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Posted - 2012.05.26 03:53:00 -
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Fredfredbug4 wrote:Welcome to a video game forum. There are many like it, but this one is ours.
Rule one of video game forums: Nobody is happy in a video game forum
Rule two of video game forums: NOBODY IS HAPPY IN A VIDEO GAME FORUM
Addendum to this post: An image that sums up the EVE forums pretty well. |
RubyPorto
SniggWaffe
YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
1594
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Posted - 2012.05.26 03:57:00 -
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SetrakDark wrote:that was far too good a post for eve-o gd
i demand you replace it with "die carebear noobfags" at once
Go get podded, Carebear fabulous newbs. Go stare your way across care-a-lot to fight Professor Coldheart and his ganker minions.
Better?
Single-Shard, Player Driven-áSandbox.
5 words. That's what makes it special. |
Draktok Vol'jin
epicdk Vol'jin Corporation
6
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Posted - 2012.05.26 03:58:00 -
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RubyPorto wrote:Draktok Vol'jin wrote:Stuffs. -snip-
While I feel you said some important things and I have no doubt you know what you're talking about, your big words confuse me and I kind of missed the entirety of your post other than "Some people want PvP, some people don't, CCP is just kinda staring into blank space not siding with anyone".
I apologize if this is an incorrect summary |
RubyPorto
SniggWaffe
YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
1594
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Posted - 2012.05.26 04:04:00 -
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Draktok Vol'jin wrote:RubyPorto wrote:Draktok Vol'jin wrote:Stuffs. -snip- While I feel you said some important things and I have no doubt you know what you're talking about, your big words confuse me and I kind of missed the entirety of your post other than "Some people want PvP, some people don't, CCP is just kinda staring into blank space not siding with anyone". I apologize if this is an incorrect summary
Not quite. You asked for two analyses, one of why there are unsub threats, and one of why there is such hostility.
The first is because CCP has shown that it doesn't listen to anything but UnSubs.
The second is because of the two intractable groups. I fall on the side of enjoying the fact that non-consensual PvP exists because that's the game that CCP advertises, has been running for 8 years, and the game that I signed up for.
Single-Shard, Player Driven-áSandbox.
5 words. That's what makes it special. |
Boomhaur
74
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Posted - 2012.05.27 05:19:00 -
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trite boon wrote:Fredfredbug4 wrote:Welcome to a video game forum. There are many like it, but this one is ours.
Rule one of video game forums: Nobody is happy in a video game forum
Rule two of video game forums: NOBODY IS HAPPY IN A VIDEO GAME FORUM
Is there a 3rd rule ?
You do not talk about FIGHT CLUB.
If this is your first time in Fight Club you have to fight.
Last rule applies to Eve, failure to do so results in immediate whining, and depression upon realizing how painful losing really is in game.
Oh and everyone whines on forums it's nothing new, especially after an expansion theres ALWAYS a lot of whining afterwards for awhile. But read my sig and memorize it and never forget it. It is the one truth of EVE. Our carebears are bigger griefers than the griefers in other MMOs if you give them a chance, trust me you will learn that the hardway if you stick around long enough.
Welcome to Eve. Everyone here is an Evil Sick Sadistic Bastard who is out to get you. Anyone who tells you otherwise is either trying to scam you or use you. |
Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS
IDLE EMPIRE
86
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Posted - 2012.05.27 05:31:00 -
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welcome!
and it seems to me that most of the eve player base has become16 year old spoiled girls. daddy bought us a new car, but it is the wrong color WHINE TIME! |
Keno Skir
129
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Posted - 2012.05.27 05:34:00 -
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I'm a happy gamer. I think CCP have created and continue to run one of the most amazing games i have ever set eyes on, even after a year now. I like the new inventory as do most people i know who actually fly spaceships in the game instead of ***** on the forums.
Inferno kicks serious ass so far CCP, thanks.
The Apostle : I want a kangeroo
Captain Kirk : Silly Austrians
Sarmatiko : Let me guess: you're from US?
Captain Kirk : Yeah Riverside IA - why? |
Jul1a
Tycho Magnetic Anomaly
3
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Posted - 2012.05.27 05:39:00 -
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Doesn't this thread get an award for getting onto the second page without an unsub threat, flame or some random abuse?
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alittlebirdy
All Hail The Liopleurodon
31
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Posted - 2012.05.27 06:00:00 -
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So you CLAIM to walk into a game... have NO idea of the 9 years of history you missed and want to forum a conclusion?
So you have NO idea what the UI looked like, but can tell this way is better (also you need like 2 windows... get into a POS, get into a carrier, an orca, a fleet... ETC ETC ETC)
The walking in stations what you have is 5 YEARS worth of ****, it was to open the game up to a sub + pay to win store...
A CCP leaked memo said do not listen to the players go based off the actions... the UNSUBBING is because of ACTIONS being all CCP cares about...
Oh your math too btw... 480,000 a month you act like that is alot...
that is **** rofl total ****...
Forgetting about servers? bandwidth, staff, buildings...
Um ya 480k is like what it costs blizzard to run servers for like a week LOL
But do tell me so called noob.
How is going from 1 click to 3 to do the SAME thing better?
How is ista opening a wreck and taking 3 seconds BETTER? |
DarkAegix
Acetech Systems
1128
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Posted - 2012.05.27 06:52:00 -
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Welcome to Internet Spaceships!
The forums are a terrible place. Avoid at all costs. |
Vxrasa
The Riot Formation
Get Off My Lawn
11
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Posted - 2012.05.27 08:04:00 -
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Vyl Vit wrote:Oh! (Hi!) You're unaware! The forum is a haven for the delusional. You might notice 40,000 people don't post here. To the in-game population the forum is a joke and only fools post in it. I started posting here when I discovered CCP actually listens to these people.
Then it would probably be best if you stopped posting. Not only because CCP is composed of people whose intelligence and talent far surpasses your own (which is saying quite a lot) but also because your posting is of similar quality to that of a drunk, blind clown, randomly hitting keys on his keyboard while he glugs down a fifth of jack and chuckles to himself over his mastery of all things posting related. |
Rodj Blake
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
933
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Posted - 2012.05.27 08:11:00 -
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Wait!
There's a game to go with these forums?
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori. |
Johnson Johnson
Heretic University
Heretic Nation
18
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Posted - 2012.05.27 09:30:00 -
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bla bla bla amamake bla bla bla |
Ispia Jaydrath
Reib Autonomous Industries
71
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Posted - 2012.05.27 09:34:00 -
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Draktok Vol'jin wrote:Fredfredbug4 wrote:Welcome to a video game forum. There are many like it, but this one is ours.
Rule one of video game forums: Nobody is happy in a video game forum
Rule two of video game forums: NOBODY IS HAPPY IN A VIDEO GAME FORUM
But I've found this one is particularly unhappy :p Do you yourself dislike the game? I'm enjoying it.
Complaining on forums and not liking a game are very different things.
If somebody doesn't like a game, they don't play it. Whining on forums, on the other hand, is usually an indication that somebody cares enough about the game to speak up when they think something is going wrong with it. Eve has the most dedicated player base of any game ever made, so when something changes there is a great deal of, uh, discussion on the forums. |
Scien Inkunen
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
45
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Posted - 2012.05.27 11:28:00 -
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Chainsaw Plankton wrote:welcome!
and it seems to me that most of the eve player base has become16 year old spoiled girls. daddy bought us a new car, but it is the wrong color WHINE TIME!
But your little dicky like little chicky, yes?
Read the "Fart file" and you will understand the meaning of life ! |
TheBreadMuncher
Boxxed Up Industries
EPIC Alliance
81
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Posted - 2012.05.27 11:58:00 -
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Draktok Vol'jin wrote:trite boon wrote:Fredfredbug4 wrote:Welcome to a video game forum. There are many like it, but this one is ours.
Rule one of video game forums: Nobody is happy in a video game forum
Rule two of video game forums: NOBODY IS HAPPY IN A VIDEO GAME FORUM
Is there a 3rd rule ? Nobody is happy about nobody being happy?
You don't talk about internet spaceships forums. That's rule 3 of EVE club.
I only ever emerge from the shadows when my main is banned. |
Yuck Fou McSpangler
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
3
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Posted - 2012.05.27 12:01:00 -
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Yuck Fou approves of this idea
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Dark EvE1
renditions of madness
B A C K B 0 N E
34
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Posted - 2012.05.27 12:20:00 -
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All will be answered with this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VgvM7av1o1Q
Gaming site for the lastest reviews and news-áhttp://www.gamers-relic.co.uk/
Gaming magazine:-áhttp://www.magcloud.com/browse/issue/364936 |
Roxwar
The Foreign Legion
Test Alliance Please Ignore
57
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Posted - 2012.05.27 15:12:00 -
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Draktok Vol'jin wrote:Interesting stuff
Awww your so cute i want to adopt you. Can i?
Eve is what YOU want it to be, a lot of people dont like it that way and assume through some disalusioned sense of self importance and superiority that the only way to play is their way.
Best thing to do with those people is VoV - move on and play it the way you want to play it. They're commonly refered to as bitter vets, and are best avoided at all costs.
http://roxwar.blogspot.com/ |
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