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4THELULZ	Posted - 2009.08.03 22:18:00 - [1] Edited by: 4THELULZ on 03/08/2009 22:18:52 Just wondering, does anyone actually fly this? Heard it talked about mostly in the past tense, so did some patch kill it off? How does it do? Also inb4 Duke Starbuckington
James Lyrus Lyrus Associates The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.08.03 22:24:00 - [2] Not often. Rockets are pretty terrible at the moment - scarely more DPS than a missile crow, with enough lower range that you're very prone to getting tackled and dying.
Sera Ryskin	Posted - 2009.08.03 22:25:00 - [3] It doesn't work. Not only does the dps still suck, but rockets have pathetic range (due to the way missiles work in-game, you get MUCH less range than you'd expect by multiplying flight time x velocity). So you end up with a fairly slow, poorly tanked ship with pathetic dps, and you have to take it into web/scram/neut range to do even your minimal amount of dps. ========== Merin is currently enjoying a 14 day vacation from the forums. Until she returns, you've got me to entertain you!
Ron Santo Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2009.08.03 22:36:00 - [4] Originally by: 4THELULZ Edited by: 4THELULZ on 03/08/2009 22:18:52 Just wondering, does anyone actually fly this? Heard it talked about mostly in the past tense, so did some patch kill it off? How does it do? Also inb4 Duke Starbuckington one word: faffywaffy. (look him up)
4THELULZ	Posted - 2009.08.03 22:58:00 - [5] Originally by: Sera Ryskin It doesn't work. Not only does the dps still suck, but rockets have pathetic range (due to the way missiles work in-game, you get MUCH less range than you'd expect by multiplying flight time x velocity). So you end up with a fairly slow, poorly tanked ship with pathetic dps, and you have to take it into web/scram/neut range to do even your minimal amount of dps. Ahh I thought I might just doing something wrong. Was messing about with it in EFT, but only way to get acceptable range is with javs which cripples speed and totally loses the dps advantage over my standard fit. Thanks
4THELULZ	Posted - 2009.08.03 23:15:00 - [6] Originally by: Ron Santo one word: faffywaffy. (look him up) Holy expensive interceptor batman O_O
Fiben Bolger Gallente	Posted - 2009.08.04 05:57:00 - [7] Originally by: Ron Santo Originally by: 4THELULZ Edited by: 4THELULZ on 03/08/2009 22:18:52 Just wondering, does anyone actually fly this? Heard it talked about mostly in the past tense, so did some patch kill it off? How does it do? Also inb4 Duke Starbuckington one word: faffywaffy. (look him up) The mysterious missile damage formula, how many people really get it?
Allahs Warrior Gallente Brotherhood of Suicidal Priests	Posted - 2009.08.04 06:06:00 - [8] took one on in a ranis, owned it at 20% shields got attacked by one in an ares, got away.
Gypsio III Dirty Filthy Perverts	Posted - 2009.08.04 09:29:00 - [9] Edited by: Gypsio III on 04/08/2009 09:30:22 I don't fly intercerptors on TQ, but I tried a Rocket Crow on Sisi a while back. I had two fights against blaster Taranisesii and won both easily, which wasn't a surprise, then lost to a Crusader, which wasn't a surprise either. So much for the practice. The theory is less inspiring. Rockets will, in general, do full damage to a webbed, non-MWD/AB-ing frigate. This is okay when fighting interceptors because they fit MWD, but suffers hugely against T1 frigates and AFs, because so many people still fit ABs. It also means that a web is essential. I was able to kill the Taranii because we both had web and scrambler, but my Crow was faster, meaning that I was able to get to the edge of scrambler range where he basically did no turret DPS. However, my understadning is that modern Taranes fit dual AB-MWD and scrambler, which produces greater speed and tank against rockets, so dual-prop Taranis would easily beat that plated Rocket-Crow. The other problem is that killing blaster Taranises is about all that it was good for. Rail-ranis and Crusader had comparable DPS at the edge of scramble range with typically greater EHP. Nor does it have the range to kite AB AFs or other ships. But I don't need a Crow to kill Taranisiii, I can just jump in a Caracal and let them lemming in to me.
VanNostrum The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.08.04 11:26:00 - [10] Originally by: Gypsio III Edited by: Gypsio III on 04/08/2009 09:30:22 I don't fly intercerptors on TQ, but I tried a Rocket Crow on Sisi a while back. I had two fights against blaster Taranisesii and won both easily, which wasn't a surprise, then lost to a Crusader, which wasn't a surprise either. So much for the practice. The theory is less inspiring. Rockets will, in general, do full damage to a webbed, non-MWD/AB-ing frigate. This is okay when fighting interceptors because they fit MWD, but suffers hugely against T1 frigates and AFs, because so many people still fit ABs. It also means that a web is essential. I was able to kill the Taranii because we both had web and scrambler, but my Crow was faster, meaning that I was able to get to the edge of scrambler range where he basically did no turret DPS. However, my understadning is that modern Taranes fit dual AB-MWD and scrambler, which produces greater speed and tank against rockets, so dual-prop Taranis would easily beat that plated Rocket-Crow. The other problem is that killing blaster Taranises is about all that it was good for. Rail-ranis and Crusader had comparable DPS at the edge of scramble range with typically greater EHP. Nor does it have the range to kite AB AFs or other ships. But I don't need a Crow to kill Taranisiii, I can just jump in a Caracal and let them lemming in to me.
Rashmika Clavain Gallente Shadows Of The Federation	Posted - 2009.08.04 16:39:00 - [11] Singular = Taranis Plural = Taranis' Removed. Please keep your EVE signature related to your EVE persona and not that of a real life politician. Navigator
Varilinda	Posted - 2009.08.04 17:29:00 - [12] First rule of rockets is; You do not talk about rockets.
Roastedpot Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group	Posted - 2009.08.04 17:36:00 - [13] it used to be fun back in the day, deffinatly an adrenaline rush
Zhilia Mann	Posted - 2009.08.04 21:48:00 - [14] Originally by: Rashmika Clavain Singular = Taranis Plural = Taranis' Hate to derail. But. No? Your so-called plural is a plural possessive that has absolutely nothing to do with the actual standard plural. And there isn't one. I happen to like the sound of Taranii, but I could also accept Taranises. Hate to say it: Taranis' is entirely wrong.
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative.	Posted - 2009.08.04 21:50:00 - [15] Originally by: Rashmika Clavain Singular = Taranis Plural = Taranis' Next up: how to indicate a possessive.
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative.	Posted - 2009.08.04 21:51:00 - [16] Originally by: Zhilia Mann Originally by: Rashmika Clavain Singular = Taranis Plural = Taranis' Hate to derail. But. No? Your so-called plural is a plural possessive that has absolutely nothing to do with the actual standard plural. And there isn't one. I happen to like the sound of Taranii, but I could also accept Taranises. Hate to say it: Taranis' is entirely wrong. Taranes?
arbiter reformed Minmatar Annihilate. Avarice.	Posted - 2009.08.04 22:20:00 - [17] Edited by: arbiter reformed on 04/08/2009 22:20:00 i used them before the roket nerf, they were great. i used them after the roket nerf too but the main issue was price 'cos to make it effective i'd need a ts web and range rigs. still ppl who say range is an issue it really isnt 20km range is crazy for close range small wepons. the main problem is explosion velocity, light drones will hurt you bad and you wont hit ceptors too well without them being webbed. best thing o do in 1v1s is just coast. tell you what tho there pretty good for killing and takling bigger stuff. anyway 3 rokets t2, 125mm rail mwd, web II, diruptor II overdrive x2, dcuII range rigs dont expect to beat beam saders another way to do it would be a scram web thing and hold at the edge of youre range but youre pretty open to get ****ed then. so yeh its possible and yeh it can do well but realy a blaster raptor, ranis, sader would do better BOOST ROKETS Signature graphics that may only contain your character name, corporation logo, corporation or personal slogan or other text that is directly related to your in-game persona, or content directly related to Eve Online. All content must be in good taste.Applebabe
Grann Thefauto Spook Division BricK sQuAD.	Posted - 2009.08.04 23:13:00 - [18] Originally by: Malcanis Originally by: Zhilia Mann Originally by: Rashmika Clavain Singular = Taranis Plural = Taranis' Taranises Taranes? Taranises's?
Gypsio III Dirty Filthy Perverts	Posted - 2009.08.04 23:24:00 - [19] Also possessive. Apostrophes always indicate possession, except for "it's". So we could have "The Taranisii' blasters dealt more DPS than the Taranis' rails".
Khandahar Bob	Posted - 2009.08.04 23:24:00 - [20] Originally by: Grann Thefauto Originally by: Malcanis Originally by: Zhilia Mann Originally by: Rashmika Clavain Singular = Taranis Plural = Taranis' Taranises Taranes? Taranises's? No. Apostrophe. Ever. Unless the Taranis owns it. Bunch of muffinheads.
AstroPhobic Divine Retribution	Posted - 2009.08.04 23:27:00 - [21] Dominii Dominixen Dominixes Dominee Dominixi? Taranises. Taranii Bleh.
Zhilia Mann	Posted - 2009.08.05 00:05:00 - [22] Edited by: Zhilia Mann on 05/08/2009 00:05:08 Originally by: AstroPhobic Dominixen I like it. Also, the apostrophe in English can also contract "is" as in "the dog is running" to "the dog's running". It isn't (oh, did I mention it can also substitute for letters in contractions?) always possessive. Greek roots, from which many Gallente ship names seem to be pseudo-derived, are hard on plurals. But that doesn't call for a damn apostrophe. And now that the thread is thoroughly derailed I'll add: don't put rockets on anything you don't have to put them on. They've been nerfed into uselessness.
Taua Roqa Minmatar junQtion	Posted - 2009.08.05 00:22:00 - [23] rocket's [
Roastedpot Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group	Posted - 2009.08.05 02:50:00 - [24] Originally by: AstroPhobic Dominii Dominixen Dominixes Dominee Dominixi? Taranises. Taranii Bleh. dominatrix?
Hiroshima Jita	Posted - 2009.08.05 04:57:00 - [25] Originally by: Ron Santo one word: faffywaffy. (look him up)
Faffywaffy	Posted - 2009.08.05 04:58:00 - [26] Properly fit rocket crow easily beats: Missile Crow Raptor Ares Scram+Web Blaster Taranis Claw Stiletto Beam Crusader Fail-fit Maledictions of all sorts Rocket crow has trouble against: Mwd+AB+Scram Taranis Pulse Crusader Well-fit Malediction Of course there are ways to try and beat those too, but it takes skill, whereas ships in the first list just die effortlessly.
Lance Fighter Amarr	Posted - 2009.08.05 05:08:00 - [27] Originally by: Faffywaffy Properly fit rocket crow easily beats: Missile Crow Raptor Ares Scram+Web Blaster Taranis Claw Stiletto Fail-fit Crusader Fail-fit Maledictions of all sorts Rocket crow has trouble against: Mwd+AB+Scram Taranis Pulse Crusader Well-fit Malediction Of course there are ways to try and beat those too, but it takes skill, whereas ships in the first list just die effortlessly. Fixed it for you Originally by: Akita T Seriously ? ...wow... I'm such a forum ho' !
Speshtard Amarr Malevolent Intentions	Posted - 2009.08.05 07:09:00 - [28] Originally by: Khandahar Bob Disallowed pyramid This. Also for my contribution, Taranises is likely the intended plural, but pronounced like the ending of parentheses _________________________________________________ If you're tired of all this 'Paste this into your signature' crap, paste this into your sig.... Oh crap.
Orion GUardian Caldari	Posted - 2009.08.05 07:22:00 - [29] Originally by: Malcanis Originally by: Zhilia Mann Originally by: Rashmika Clavain Singular = Taranis Plural = Taranis' Hate to derail. But. No? Your so-called plural is a plural possessive that has absolutely nothing to do with the actual standard plural. And there isn't one. I happen to like the sound of Taranii, but I could also accept Taranises. Hate to say it: Taranis' is entirely wrong. Taranes? Depends on the deklination... lets say its i-deklination, that woiuld make it "Taranis -> Taranes" with long e Thats the most likely anyway, so I concur

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