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Manivald Kostaja	Posted - 2009.08.04 10:42:00 - [1] Why is that? Is usrha khan some griefer gang? Its something like terrorists attacking red cross. Its very outrageous!
iP0D	Posted - 2009.08.04 10:43:00 - [2] Roleplaying, not trolling.
Leana Darkrider Minmatar Creatio -ex- nihilo The Donkey Rollers	Posted - 2009.08.04 10:46:00 - [3] they're both roleplaying alliances. Ushra fighting for the freedom of Minmatar poeple and CVA fighting for the Amarr believe. ______________________________________ If only EVE could cook, if only....
Tiny Tove	Posted - 2009.08.04 10:50:00 - [4] I suppose all the Role Players from Duty could go and join them, role playing religious zealots or freedom fanatics could be a welcome break from role playing The A-Team.
Lord Windu Cybertech Developments	Posted - 2009.08.04 10:53:00 - [5] Ushra'Kahn = Minmatar Republic roleplayers fighting to free their brothers from the Amarr Empire as the Empire enforces slavery. CVA = Amarr Empire roleplayers fighting to protect the last part of 0.0 that is NRDS and a bunch of other crap. Loyal to the Empire and blah blah blah. Overall the Minmatar Republic has been treat like crap over generations and now U'K see it as their duty to free their "imaginary" people and wipe out the Amarr Empire + supporters.
iP0D	Posted - 2009.08.04 10:56:00 - [6] Shorter version: CVA = good guys U'K = bad guys.
Tierie Caldari Duty.	Posted - 2009.08.04 10:59:00 - [7] Originally by: Tiny Tove I suppose all the Role Players from Duty could go and join them, role playing religious zealots or freedom fanatics could be a welcome break from role playing The A-Team. We shall go on to the end, we shall fight in Metropolis, we shall fight on the asteroids and nebulae, we shall fight with growing confidence and growing strength in the void, we shall defend our ideal, whatever the cost may be, we shall fight on the stations, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the atmosphere and in the skies, we shall fight on the stargates; we shall never surrender, and if, which I do not for a moment believe, this ideal or a large part of it were subjugated and starving, then our Empire beyond the seas, armed and guarded by the Duty...ite() Fleet, would carry on the struggle, until, in God's good time, the New World, with all its power and might, steps forth to the rescue and the liberation of the Old. also, we're the A-Team? AWESOME.
Cat o'Ninetails Rancer Defence League	Posted - 2009.08.04 10:59:00 - [8] chakha khan are just meanies Yay! Six months of defending! \o/ <3 to Abrazzar!
Tierie Caldari Duty.	Posted - 2009.08.04 11:01:00 - [9] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PwTvDSpeBAY ain't no body~
SquadBroken Helljumpers	Posted - 2009.08.04 11:11:00 - [10] Edited by: SquadBroken on 04/08/2009 11:11:16 Originally by: Tierie http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PwTvDSpeBAY ain't no body~ K you just won these forums and life. Here's your cookie.

Tagami Wasp	Posted - 2009.08.04 11:21:00 - [11] We are a Role Playing Alliance. We have given warning to all that choose to help CVA and Providence pets. See here for more.
Zaphod Jones Minmatar Allied Research Service Executive	Posted - 2009.08.04 11:30:00 - [12] Simple U'K - The Good CVA - The Bad Paxton, Sev3rance, Libertas Fidelitas, Aegis Militia, Cold Steel Alliance, Sylph Alliance - The Ugly
Lord Windu Amarr	Posted - 2009.08.04 11:35:00 - [13] Originally by: Tagami Wasp We are a Role Playing Alliance. We have given warning to all that choose to help CVA and Providence pets. If they are pet's then doesn't it mean they need to be freed from the big bad CVA though and not hunted? I'm sorry it's just confusing, CVA has slaves who carry out work and CVA has pets who carry out work.
Sniper Wolf18 Gallente A Pretty Pony Princess General Tso's Alliance	Posted - 2009.08.04 11:41:00 - [14] U'K = Bad CVA = Bad Non-RP = Good And to finish, thank you for reading my sig -------------------------------------------------- If you are still reading i would probably hav posted by now
Gebher'el Amarr The King's Sword	Posted - 2009.08.04 11:52:00 - [15] Originally by: Sniper Wolf18 U'K = Bad CVA = Bad Non-RP = Good Never sceases to amaze me, people play a role playing game and do not like role play... Rejoice not against me, O mine enemy: when I fall, I shall arise; when I sit in darkness, God will be a light unto me.
Tiny Tove	Posted - 2009.08.04 12:00:00 - [16] Originally by: Gebher'el Originally by: Sniper Wolf18 U'K = Bad CVA = Bad Non-RP = Good Never sceases to amaze me, people play a role playing game and do not like role play... I'd role play, but every time a skill completes my personality completely changes.
Sidus Isaacs Gallente	Posted - 2009.08.04 12:03:00 - [17] Originally by: Zaphod Jones Simple U'K - The Good CVA - The Bad Paxton, Sev3rance, Libertas Fidelitas, Aegis Militia, Cold Steel Alliance, Sylph Alliance - The Ugly I lold -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sigs.html
Discrodia Gallente Guardian Legion SCUM.	Posted - 2009.08.04 12:10:00 - [18] facepalm Because CVA is Amarr, Ushra' Khan in Minmatar, and CVA stole their space while Sylph joined CVA. And for emphasis... facepalm ___________________________________________ MUFFINS :D
Grr Amarr Epitoth Guard Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2009.08.04 12:20:00 - [19] Originally by: Manivald Kostaja Why is that? Is usrha khan some griefer gang? Its something like terrorists attacking red cross. Its very outrageous! Classic Terrorist vs Religious Zealot RP simple as that when you get down to the basics. Out of character both sides have the highest respect for each other. Sylph are not part of CVA, nor pets but close allies that happen to live near by in Catch.
Vicarrah Minmatar	Posted - 2009.08.04 12:24:00 - [20] A long time ago, there were some very square jawed fellows who decided that they wanted to support the Amarr empire, and dedicated their gametime to doing just what they think the Amarrians would like them to do. Also a long time ago, there were also some nutters (you know who you are) who thought that kicking the carp out of the evil nasty slaver god squaddies would be a good idea. fast forward a few years and you have the CVA and the U'K. I feel very privileged to have been part of it. Vicarrah Tahiri Matriarch

rodensteiner Amarr The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.08.04 13:00:00 - [21] Not everyone in UK is a roleplayer. There is reason why UK is beating the snot out of Sylph, and I believe it has already been mentioned, to a certain extent.
Chooch Chooch Chooch Inc.	Posted - 2009.08.04 13:32:00 - [22] Originally by: iP0D Shorter version: CVA = good guys U'K = bad guys. News flash: Slavery Bad Freedom Good The North Won remember. On a different note CVA are believers in amarrian ideals and gods and empress which includes a basis of Slavery of those lesser peoples. Minmatars are still enslaved by Amarrians. Uhra'Khan's goal is to free their people and end slavery. Hence the natural friction of 2 role playing alliance on opposite ends. (UNITY) UshraÆKhan originaly had many systems in providence including 9uy. CVA was cleansing Domain and Misaba area of pirates and freeing it for the amaarian empire and then came into Providence area to claim that for Amarr. Eventually the two met and being of different beliefs clashed. UK was spanked at the time to say the least and with no space went to guerrilla tactics which is seen today. So when looking at what side is good and which is bad is all a matter of perspective. Similar to in Star Wars does a Storm trooper actually believe the Empire is bad?
Gin G Halls Of Valhalla	Posted - 2009.08.04 13:34:00 - [23] cva = insane nutters and pirates khan = KHAN Please refrain from editing a moderator's warning. Zymurgist
Rin Kaeda The Littlest Hobos	Posted - 2009.08.04 14:42:00 - [24] Originally by: Manivald Kostaja Why is that? Is usrha khan some griefer gang? Its something like terrorists attacking red cross. Its very outrageous! You know Mr. Manivald, to answer your questions in detail would require more time that I have available and I think that even then you would not get the gist of the rift between Ushra'Khan and CVA. Short version is that we are not griefers by any means, and most certainly we are not terrorists. If you are genuinely interested in the schism between Ushra'Khan and CVA I respecfully direct you to read the many availabe articles here in GalNet about what has been going on between Amarr and MinMatar people. We are Ushra'Khan and we come for our people.
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2009.08.04 14:54:00 - [25] Originally by: Rin Kaeda We are Ushra'Khan and we come for our people. They're our people. We have the receipts for them. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Krystal Vernet Minmatar Gradient Electus Matari	Posted - 2009.08.04 15:04:00 - [26] Originally by: Rodj Blake Originally by: Rin Kaeda We are Ushra'Khan and we come for our people. They're our people. We have the receipts for them. Your payments are late and they're coming to confiscate them.
rodensteiner Amarr The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.08.04 15:10:00 - [27] Originally by: Rodj Blake Originally by: Rin Kaeda We are Ushra'Khan and we come for our people. They're our people. We have the receipts for them. OK, that one definitely made me lol
Poreuomai Minmatar Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.08.04 15:46:00 - [28] Edited by: Poreuomai on 04/08/2009 15:46:58 Originally by: Manivald Kostaja Why is that? Is usrha khan some griefer gang? Its something like terrorists attacking red cross. Its very outrageous! We are NRDS everywhere except two specific 0.0 regions. That's hardly the stuff of griefers. Unless you meant to post this in IGS, in which case, we will hunt you until you release all your slaves! Originally by: Rodj Blake They're our people. We have the receipts for them. *Let My People Go*
Catherine Frasier	Posted - 2009.08.04 16:01:00 - [29] Originally by: Chooch Chooch The North Won remember. But what does Vietnam have to do with anything?
Takon Orlani Caldari Heretic Army Sc0rched Earth	Posted - 2009.08.04 16:09:00 - [30] Originally by: Zaphod Jones Simple U'K - The Good CVA - The Bad Paxton, Sev3rance, Libertas Fidelitas, Aegis Militia, Cold Steel Alliance, Sylph Alliance - The Ugly QFT TBFH ROWDY WANTS YOU!!

Ehranavaar	Posted - 2009.08.04 16:23:00 - [31] Originally by: Rin Kaeda Short version is that we are not griefers by any means, and most certainly we are not terrorists. sure didn't look that way to us when uk war decced us for no reason other than we a lot of business with the amarr. big surprise that given we live in devoid mostly.
DigitalCommunist November Corporation	Posted - 2009.08.04 16:35:00 - [32] The History of Amarr/Minmatar Roleplay By: DigitalCommunist Long ago in the Before Time, the Peoples Front of minmatar was being all nice and decent when the racist pirate group known as PIE decided to attack them for being too black. The two wrestled and fought, often in compromising and lewd positions (PIE secretly enjoyed this). A third party bystander called.. well I forgot what they were called, they founded Foundation (GW) or something, anyhow.. this party wanted in on the hot, sweaty lubed action and paid PIE big money. PIE didn't like this, but was desperate to get through collage and decided to bear the shame anyway. PFM felt PIE had betrayed its origins and PFM, and ran away in tears, eventually jumping off the nearest stargate. The remnants of PFM were collected and salvaged, and what remained decided to get a makeover, a perm and one of those hot secretary pencil skirts. PFM became UK and spent the rest of its days making PIE jealous and sad about the past. PIE couldn't bear the assault and created CVA to shield itself with the meat of a thousand newbies. Now the two are old and gray, and PIE is no longer in CVA. But senility dominates; UK doesn't yet realize this and so continues to threaten CVA and occasionally put on heavy makeup (think: "Brutors in mauve"). The rest of us silently observe the passage of time, praying for their safe departure into oblivion and the dawn of the new age. An age where Amarrs don't have to fight Minmatars for stupid reasons which are identical to those used six years ago. An age where religious white men can love brutish black giants openly, and not under the guise of conflict and roleplay. The end..?
Furb Killer Gallente	Posted - 2009.08.04 16:52:00 - [33] Quote: News flash: Slavery Bad Freedom Good News flash: Pirating Bad Shooting pirates Good The republic fleet also isnt NBSI, so why is U'K? Even if you just go through providence without interacting with CVA/allies in any way UK sees you as a valid target, how does it help the minmatar cause when you shoot other minmater for being in a certain region?t
Il Morte	Posted - 2009.08.04 17:08:00 - [34] This is quickly becoming one of my alltime favorite threads. We have the receipts, what does vietnam have to do with this Classic, can't make this up. I have renewed hope in the forums afterall
Micia Minmatar Minmatar Ship Construction Services Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.08.04 17:33:00 - [35] Originally by: Cat o'Ninetails chakha khan are just meanies Chakha Khan's got nuthin' to do with it. Check my bio for the original Khan that inspires us daily. _______ Should we fall before the dawn, Say this at our pyre, "They died Matari warriors, Their faces to the fire."
Garreck Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2009.08.04 18:02:00 - [36] Originally by: Manivald Kostaja Its something like terrorists attacking red cross. The Red Cross wishes it had the record against terrorism that CVA does Snarkiness aside, it's an old conflict, Manivald. Goes back several years, and as you may have figured out by now the conflict has its roots in Eve prime fiction as considered as such to be a roleplay conflict.
Xianbei	Posted - 2009.08.04 18:12:00 - [37] Originally by: iP0D Shorter version: CVA = good guys U'K = bad guys. even shorter version: cva=slave owners u'k=free the slaves
Xianbei	Posted - 2009.08.04 18:15:00 - [38] Originally by: Sniper Wolf18 U'K = Bad CVA = Bad Non-RP = Good er, you are pretending to be a space pilot decendant from french space colonizers all you have done is draw a line in the roleplaying sand and said i wont cross that line you are still roleplaying, you are still a nerd and making fun of other nerds just makes you a st&pid nerd
Xianbei	Posted - 2009.08.04 18:16:00 - [39] Originally by: Grr Sylph are not part of CVA, nor pets but close allies that happen to live near by in Catch. until they need help and then bam hotdrop they are pets in every definition of the word
Xianbei	Posted - 2009.08.04 18:18:00 - [40] Originally by: Rodj Blake They're our people. We have the receipts for them. /thread, well done.

Garreck Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2009.08.04 18:26:00 - [41] Edited by: Garreck on 04/08/2009 18:26:47 Originally by: Xianbei until they need help and then bam hotdrop they are pets in every definition of the word Your implication is that pets fully dictate the terms of a relationship between alliances. Because we respond with hot-drops to Sylph's request for assistance, Sylph are our pets? That's a pretty amazing definition of "pet." If they paid us for protection or for space, or if they were levied requirements to engage in combat on our behalf you might have a case. Our strategic cooperation is generally limited to "good sense" protection of allies who find mutual benefit in each-others' continued existence/success. But none of the above exists. They respect the rules of Providence. Not many non-Providence alliances do, which makes them pretty special in our books so we extend them every courtesy and cooperation.
Haradgrim Tyrell Corp Fuzzy Nut Attack Squirrels	Posted - 2009.08.04 19:15:00 - [42] CVA = Slavers UK = Terrorists -- Originally by: CCP Oveur Just donæt forget the reach-around.
Deluym	Posted - 2009.08.04 19:21:00 - [43] Originally by: Garreck Edited by: Garreck on 04/08/2009 18:31:44 Originally by: Xianbei until they need help and then bam hotdrop they are pets in every definition of the word Your implication is that pets fully dictate the terms of a relationship between alliances. Because we respond with hot-drops to Sylph's request for assistance, Sylph are our pets? That's a pretty amazing definition of "pet." If they paid us for protection or for space, or if they were levied requirements to engage in combat on our behalf you might have a case. But none of the above exists. They respect the rules of Providence. Not many non-Providence alliances do, which makes them pretty special in our books so we extend them every courtesy and cooperation. Our strategic cooperation is generally limited to "good sense" protection of allies who find mutual benefit in each-others' continued existence/success. The weaker entity always enjoys more protection from the stronger entity in the region than goes the other way around. They might not be paying you ISK directly like in any open pet-master relationship but they pay by having to abide by CVA's rules and their pilots join in the gangs that enforce these rules. What happens if Sylph one day says "well we don't like being NRDS anymore and living by CVA rules in this area"? See, they are in position where they are not free to determine their own destiny, and hence Sylph is a pet or aka a slave alliance.
Agent Known Apotheosis of Virtue	Posted - 2009.08.04 19:26:00 - [44] Originally by: Deluym Originally by: Garreck Edited by: Garreck on 04/08/2009 18:31:44 Originally by: Xianbei until they need help and then bam hotdrop they are pets in every definition of the word Your implication is that pets fully dictate the terms of a relationship between alliances. Because we respond with hot-drops to Sylph's request for assistance, Sylph are our pets? That's a pretty amazing definition of "pet." If they paid us for protection or for space, or if they were levied requirements to engage in combat on our behalf you might have a case. But none of the above exists. They respect the rules of Providence. Not many non-Providence alliances do, which makes them pretty special in our books so we extend them every courtesy and cooperation. Our strategic cooperation is generally limited to "good sense" protection of allies who find mutual benefit in each-others' continued existence/success. The weaker entity always enjoys more protection from the stronger entity in the region than goes the other way around. They might not be paying you ISK directly like in any open pet-master relationship but they pay by having to abide by CVA's rules and their pilots join in the gangs that enforce these rules. What happens if Sylph one day says "well we don't like being NRDS anymore and living by CVA rules in this area"? See, they are in position where they are not free to determine their own destiny, and hence Sylph is a pet or aka a slave alliance. Sylph lives by NRDS rules to help CVA, but they are free to do as they wish. If they were to go NBSI, then they would be set red like all other NBSI alliances. It's just the facts; those who live by Providence rules get support from CVA, while those that don't...well, don't. It has nothing to do with being a "pet" alliance. Sylph shares the same ideals as CVA and as such is allied with them.
Alakith	Posted - 2009.08.04 19:54:00 - [45] Edited by: Alakith on 04/08/2009 19:54:19 Originally by: rodensteiner Not everyone in UK is a roleplayer. There is reason why UK is beating the snot out of Sylph, and I believe it has already been mentioned, to a certain extent. Dont most of you just afk in systems cloaked?
Deluym	Posted - 2009.08.04 21:21:00 - [46] Originally by: Agent Known Sylph lives by NRDS rules to help CVA, but they are free to do as they wish. If they were to go NBSI, then they would be set red like all other NBSI alliances. It's just the facts; those who live by Providence rules get support from CVA, while those that don't...well, don't. It has nothing to do with being a "pet" alliance. Sylph shares the same ideals as CVA and as such is allied with them. That's right. If Sylph stops abiding by the laws that CVA has created for Providence, CVA will start hostilities with Sylph and kick them out of region within a few weeks because Sylph is incapable of holding territory on its own. Sylph gets to live there for as long as they abide by the laws that their master alliance has set for them, laws that they have no say over. They are not equal partners in the relationship. They have not fought to take over the 0.0 that they own and earned respect from their neighbors. While holding up an appearance of being independent entity, they fit the definition of a pet very well without making any obvious ISK payouts. CVA just charges differently ;) And by the way I've been in your alliance, Apotheosis of Virtue, for a short period of time and yes, it is a CVA pet too. One of the more useless ones though unlike Sylph.
Poreuomai Minmatar Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.08.04 21:34:00 - [47] Edited by: Poreuomai on 04/08/2009 21:34:43 Originally by: Alakith Dont most of you just afk in systems cloaked? I am rarely afk while cloaked. *Let My People Go*
Agent Known Apotheosis of Virtue	Posted - 2009.08.04 21:38:00 - [48] Originally by: Deluym And by the way I've been in your alliance, Apotheosis of Virtue, for a short period of time and yes, it is a CVA pet too. One of the more useless ones though unlike Sylph. I'm guessing it's the forum standard to insult someone or their affiliations when they have nothing to do with the current topic.
Zeba Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company	Posted - 2009.08.04 22:26:00 - [49] Originally by: DigitalCommunist The end..? Well whatever the eventual outcome I'm sure thats where all the action will be at anyways. Originally by: Zaqar Anyway, you don't have to be Einstein to play Eve - a quick glance over the forums will tell you that -
Garreck Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2009.08.04 22:33:00 - [50] Originally by: Deluym The weaker entity always enjoys more protection from the stronger entity in the region than goes the other way around. They might not be paying you ISK directly like in any open pet-master relationship but they pay by having to abide by CVA's rules and their pilots join in the gangs that enforce these rules. What happens if Sylph one day says "well we don't like being NRDS anymore and living by CVA rules in this area"? See, they are in position where they are not free to determine their own destiny, and hence Sylph is a pet or aka a slave alliance. So your premise is "weaker alliance is pet alliance." That's a terribly limited view. By your logic, the whole Provibloc is subserviant to the greater -A- community, as they could steamroll us at any time if they wished. They've demonstrated the capacity to do so but don't...probably because they don't view us as an expansionistic threat. Using your same logic, one could make the argument that CVA is an -A- pet because we don't expand and they don't crush us and it's mutually beneficial. And yet we're red to each other. It's goofy logic. A pet is more than just the weaker alliance in a diplomatic relationship.

SquadBroken Helljumpers	Posted - 2009.08.04 23:07:00 - [51] A better question: who cares what the frilly RP'ers do? Let them have their own little fatwa. That and ushra-k needs to stop letting Butterdog ruin their awesome rep.
Faife Divine Retribution Sons of Tangra	Posted - 2009.08.04 23:33:00 - [52] they're like road runner and the coyote, if the road runner was a fat lazy amarr carebear, and the coyote was an awesome bunch of minmatar terrorists. -- Check out my EVE cartoons
Faife Divine Retribution Sons of Tangra	Posted - 2009.08.04 23:34:00 - [53] Originally by: SquadBroken That and ushra-k needs to stop letting Butterdog ruin their awesome rep. **** yes this. -- Check out my EVE cartoons
Larg Kellein Caldari Agony Unleashed Agony Empire	Posted - 2009.08.04 23:38:00 - [54] Originally by: Rodj Blake Originally by: Rin Kaeda We are Ushra'Khan and we come for our people. They're our people. We have the receipts for them. Well played, well played indeed. Made me chuckle, possibly even guffaw. I believe an illustration of the situation is appropriate, by means of linkage
Cobalt Sixty Caldari Piezochem	Posted - 2009.08.05 00:47:00 - [55] Edited by: Cobalt Sixty on 05/08/2009 00:50:13 Originally by: Rodj Blake Originally by: Rin Kaeda We are Ushra'Khan and we come for our people. They're our people. We have the receipts for them. Win. Originally by: DigitalCommunist Long ago in the Before Time, the Peoples Front of minmatar was being all nice and decent when the racist pirate group known as PIE decided to attack them for being too black. I think you mean too brown - the human race being so old now that we've all started to fade, in fact I estimate that pretty soon the Achura will become translucent.
Deluym	Posted - 2009.08.05 03:35:00 - [56] Originally by: Garreck So your premise is "weaker alliance is pet alliance." That's a terribly limited view. By your logic, the whole Provibloc is subserviant to the greater -A- community, as they could steamroll us at any time if they wished. They've demonstrated the capacity to do so but don't...probably because they don't view us as an expansionistic threat. Using your same logic, one could make the argument that CVA is an -A- pet because we don't expand and they don't crush us and it's mutually beneficial. And yet we're red to each other. It's goofy logic. A pet is more than just the weaker alliance in a diplomatic relationship. You don't see the difference do you? CVA is not dependent on -A- for protection and is not forced to live by -A- rules. Why? Because CVA is a significant enough threat that positioned itself strategically such that -A- does not consider it to be worth it their time and effort. CVA has earned its autonomy and right to self-govern and make up its own rules. Little of that applies to Sylph. If they were to go NBSI then CVA would steamroll them and they would lose all of their space because they are dependent on CVA to hold it in the first place i.e. they are a pet, an alliance that can't survive on its own.
Becq Starforged Minmatar Ship Construction Services Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.08.05 04:14:00 - [57] First of all, I long for an imaginary future in which any topic that referred to "Ushra'Khan" or "CVA" didn't instantly turn into an insult contest. This is an OOC forum, so can't we all just get along? Here is my take on the nutshell description (I'm a slightly larger nut than some, so my nutshell is a bit bigger): HISTORY: The Amarrian Empire invaded the Minmatar Nation a thousand years ago, and enslaved the Minmatar people. About a hundred years ago, large numbers of the slaves successfully revolted and managed to free themselves, forming the Minmatar Republic. But roughly a third of the Minmatar people didn't make it out and are still held as slaves. The Minmatar people, as a whole, would understandable prefer to eliminate slavery completely. The Amarrians, as a whole, support their religeon which include a tenet of 'Reclamation' which in effect call for them to spread their religion everywhere -- through slavery. CVA: They are at their core a roleplay alliance. From their foundation, they have portrayed themselves as loyalists to the Amarrian Empire and the Amarrian religeon and the Reclamation. Their first excursions to colonize Providence were done to try as best they can via the game mechanics to turn Providence into another Amarrian Empire region. USHRA'KHAN: We are at our core a roleplay alliance, dedicated to freeing our enslaved brethren by whatever means are necessary. Alliance policy is decided by this. This means that we are violently against any slaver groups, including of course the Amarrian Empire and CVA. Any who are friendly to such groups earn our enmity. We call ourselves freedom fighters. Our enemies call us terrorists or pirates. Our friends call us fun to fly with. BUT WHY THE WHOLE "RP" THING? Agreed, this is not a goal that, in actuality, can ever be accomplished -- for either side. But for many of us, there's little interest in, say, sitting on a lowsec gate and ganking every ship that comes through "just because". It is far more enjoyable to hunt down targets who have, through their choices, made themselves enemies. In the case of CVA, they deliberately chose a side through RP. In the case of others (Sylph, Sev3rence, etc), they picked sides for non-RP reasons, but that doesn't matter to us -- they are allied to the slavers, and support the slaver cause, and that's all we need to know. -- Becq Starforged The Flame of Freedom Burns On!
Brujo Loco Amarr Brujeria Teologica	Posted - 2009.08.05 04:36:00 - [58] Originally by: Rodj Blake Originally by: Rin Kaeda We are Ushra'Khan and we come for our people. They're our people. We have the receipts for them. O. M. G. ROFL ... I sooo want to join CVA now, they obviously know their stuff --- Viva VENEZUELA!!! Archipelago Theory
Peraxx	Posted - 2009.08.05 04:58:00 - [59] KHAAAAAN! Sorry, I had to On a more "on topic" note, CVA - Slavers U'K - slaves fighting in the rebellion (in my eyes) Joining U'K sounds like fun...
Taradis Amarr Paxton Industries Paxton Federation	Posted - 2009.08.05 05:33:00 - [60] The whole RP thing is all in good fun but some people tend to take the RP a little too seriously and take the rp out of the IGS fourms. I myself am not really an RP'er I just enjoy the gameplay of 0.0. Hat's off to AAA when they bring it they bring it and you always have to remember this is a game, **** happens and then you respawn in a clone.

Garreck Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2009.08.05 05:36:00 - [61] Originally by: Deluym You don't see the difference do you? CVA is not dependent on -A- for protection and is not forced to live by -A- rules. I see the difference. I just think your definition of what makes a "pet" is completely flawed. The whole concept of Eve encourages team dynamics...player to player, corporation to corporation, alliance to alliance. When two players, corporations, or alliances find mutual benefit, they work together to that mutual benefit. In any such pairing, there will be a stronger and a weaker partner. I think it's a terribly limited (and flawed) view to say the weaker is the pet of the relationship. In general I view "pet" as a monicker in the same light as "blob" or "exploit" or "carebear;" so massively overused that it has lost any true meaning. It certainly doesn't apply here.
SquadBroken Helljumpers	Posted - 2009.08.05 06:43:00 - [62] Originally by: Garreck Originally by: Deluym You don't see the difference do you? CVA is not dependent on -A- for protection and is not forced to live by -A- rules. I see the difference. I just think your definition of what makes a "pet" is completely flawed. The whole concept of Eve encourages team dynamics...player to player, corporation to corporation, alliance to alliance. When two players, corporations, or alliances find mutual benefit, they work together to that mutual benefit. In any such pairing, there will be a stronger and a weaker partner. I think it's a terribly limited (and flawed) view to say the weaker is the pet of the relationship. In general I view "pet" as a monicker in the same light as "blob" or "exploit" or "carebear;" so massively overused that it has lost any true meaning. It certainly doesn't apply here. This is an amazing post.
Xennith Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.08.05 06:59:00 - [63] Pew Pew. Thats really what it boils down to, we enjoy fighting and doing the whole hit and fade thing, CVA enjoy fighting us and trapping us where they can. Everyones happy. The whole roleplay thing gives us direction and a reason to be fighting the fight we have chosen, if we were just another non-rp (ex) space holding alliance we would have folded shortly after we lost all our space, and we certainly wouldnt have continued to pick fights with a power block that outnumbers us at least 10 to 1. Personally, I like providence, I think its great that there is somewhere that newer players can go to get a taste of nullsec, and that alliances can go to earn some isk and get used to pvp. If those people cant cope with the occasional loss, thats their problem and one that they will need to solve. Calling us griefers is a little odd I think, especially as if we wardec you, there is a very easy solution. Renounce slavery. We come for our people
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2009.08.05 09:31:00 - [64] Originally by: DigitalCommunist The History of Amarr/Minmatar Roleplay By: DigitalCommunist Long ago in the Before Time, the Peoples Front of minmatar was being all nice and decent when the racist pirate group known as PIE decided to attack them for being too black. The two wrestled and fought, often in compromising and lewd positions (PIE secretly enjoyed this). A third party bystander called.. well I forgot what they were called, they founded Foundation (GW) or something, anyhow.. this party wanted in on the hot, sweaty lubed action and paid PIE big money. PIE didn't like this, but was desperate to get through collage and decided to bear the shame anyway. PFM felt PIE had betrayed its origins and PFM, and ran away in tears, eventually jumping off the nearest stargate. The remnants of PFM were collected and salvaged, and what remained decided to get a makeover, a perm and one of those hot secretary pencil skirts. PFM became UK and spent the rest of its days making PIE jealous and sad about the past. PIE couldn't bear the assault and created CVA to shield itself with the meat of a thousand newbies. Now the two are old and gray, and PIE is no longer in CVA. But senility dominates; UK doesn't yet realize this and so continues to threaten CVA and occasionally put on heavy makeup (think: "Brutors in mauve"). The rest of us silently observe the passage of time, praying for their safe departure into oblivion and the dawn of the new age. An age where Amarrs don't have to fight Minmatars for stupid reasons which are identical to those used six years ago. An age where religious white men can love brutish black giants openly, and not under the guise of conflict and roleplay. The end..? Amusing, if somewhat inaccurate. Oracle and the first incarnation of 1st Praetorian Guard deserve mentions for one thing. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Taua Roqa Minmatar junQtion	Posted - 2009.08.05 09:34:00 - [65] [
Ouro Akala	Posted - 2009.08.05 10:02:00 - [66] @Chaka Khan - that's a mighty fine Brutor wimmin right dere!
Poreuomai Minmatar Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.08.05 13:35:00 - [67] Originally by: Brujo Loco O. M. G. ROFL ... I sooo want to join CVA now, they obviously know their stuff Rodj Blake isn't in CVA. *Let My People Go*
Alakith	Posted - 2009.08.05 20:46:00 - [68] Originally by: Deluym Originally by: Garreck So your premise is "weaker alliance is pet alliance." That's a terribly limited view. By your logic, the whole Provibloc is subserviant to the greater -A- community, as they could steamroll us at any time if they wished. They've demonstrated the capacity to do so but don't...probably because they don't view us as an expansionistic threat. Using your same logic, one could make the argument that CVA is an -A- pet because we don't expand and they don't crush us and it's mutually beneficial. And yet we're red to each other. It's goofy logic. A pet is more than just the weaker alliance in a diplomatic relationship. You don't see the difference do you? CVA is not dependent on -A- for protection and is not forced to live by -A- rules. Why? Because CVA is a significant enough threat that positioned itself strategically such that -A- does not consider it to be worth it their time and effort. CVA has earned its autonomy and right to self-govern and make up its own rules. Little of that applies to Sylph. If they were to go NBSI then CVA would steamroll them and they would lose all of their space because they are dependent on CVA to hold it in the first place i.e. they are a pet, an alliance that can't survive on its own. Me thinks there is some irony in that post. If only i could figure out what it was...something about being pets of larger alliances i think.
Ryhss Caldari The Last Legion	Posted - 2009.08.05 21:49:00 - [69] Originally by: iP0D Shorter version: CVA = bad guys U'K = good guys. Fixed. :)
Kharass Al'Quam Minmatar Union Enterprises	Posted - 2009.08.05 21:58:00 - [70] Originally by: Rodj Blake Edited by: Rodj Blake on 05/08/2009 09:37:59 Originally by: DigitalCommunist The History of Amarr/Minmatar Roleplay By: DigitalCommunist Long ago in the Before Time, the Peoples Front of minmatar was being all nice and decent when the racist pirate group known as PIE decided to attack them for being too black. The two wrestled and fought, often in compromising and lewd positions (PIE secretly enjoyed this). A third party bystander called.. well I forgot what they were called, they founded Foundation (GW) or something, anyhow.. this party wanted in on the hot, sweaty lubed action and paid PIE big money. PIE didn't like this, but was desperate to get through collage and decided to bear the shame anyway. PFM felt PIE had betrayed its origins and PFM, and ran away in tears, eventually jumping off the nearest stargate. The remnants of PFM were collected and salvaged, and what remained decided to get a makeover, a perm and one of those hot secretary pencil skirts. PFM became UK and spent the rest of its days making PIE jealous and sad about the past. PIE couldn't bear the assault and created CVA to shield itself with the meat of a thousand newbies. Now the two are old and gray, and PIE is no longer in CVA. But senility dominates; UK doesn't yet realize this and so continues to threaten CVA and occasionally put on heavy makeup (think: "Brutors in mauve"). The rest of us silently observe the passage of time, praying for their safe departure into oblivion and the dawn of the new age. An age where Amarrs don't have to fight Minmatars for stupid reasons which are identical to those used six years ago. An age where religious white men can love brutish black giants openly, and not under the guise of conflict and roleplay. The end..? Amusing, if somewhat inaccurate. Oracle and the first incarnation of 1st Praetorian Guard deserve mentions for one thing, and I have no idea who these Foundation people were for another. Lol good summery Digi. Not totally accurate but a good tale. Rodj he might be talking about Gradient and the girly boy Minnies in one of the earlier alliances. :) But good seeing people have old memory's. God is my Co-pilot

Tyzone Caldari Universal Army Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.08.06 17:45:00 - [71] Originally by: Xennith Pew Pew. This tbh.
ShadowMaiden Amarr Divine Radiance	Posted - 2009.08.06 18:09:00 - [72] the Roleplayers will look up and cry - "NO! we are important!" and the PVPers will whisper - "no..."
Xennith Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.08.06 19:48:00 - [73] Because RPing and PvPing are mutually exclusive? Slightly shortsighted viewpoint there tbh, given how much fighting is done by the "lolrp" alliances it is odd that people are so willing to just pretend that we all just sit around emoting at each other in local rather than shooting. Still, if it makes you underestimate us in a fight then thats all to the good really.
Chooch Chooch Chooch Inc.	Posted - 2009.08.06 20:08:00 - [74] Are we not all role playing to some extent in eve. I mean after all as someone said we are getting into our space ships and flying about, mining, creating, shooting, killing. Is that not role playing to some extent. Even if you say "well I don't deal with that whole slavery issue", you are still roleplaying. I mean really how many "Pirates" do you know in real life. So the pirates are role playing pirates. Did the members of BoB actually sit at home and plot the conquering oif central europe and vast stretched if earth. No or at least I woudl think not. However they did plan on "conquering all of Eve" so they are role playing the conquerers. And I am not even going to get into the whole dudes playing chicks thing in here, but that is a role play as well nothing like seeing a female toon giggle and blush and corp chat, only to hear the deepest bass voice come out on vent. Chooch Shudders When we pick our character in the creation screen we commit to roleplaying. We all read the history of the race and what they stood for. (why i picked a hippie, freedom loving gallente) That creates our roleplaying experience. So you do not have to deal with the whole slaver vs slave issue. Just as the Caldari and Gallente pay their workers, (however my slaver hound podkill is with me as often as possible) and do not get caught up and choose to ignore the slavery issue. So do many pilots. But do not kid yourself as you run your missions shootin "rats" and mining your veld, and waiting in ambush, that you are not playing the role of what you are doing. After reading wotlankers posts in his blogs (and for anyone who wants an idea of role really gettin ginto it I would suggest you do read them, they are awesome) I would like to think that when his alliance held a meeting to annouce they were war decking Sylph he really wasn't carrying a sword strapped to his belt sitting in his living room banging the hilt on the table. But you never know The point is some poeple in eve mock at the roleplayers, but we all are role playing to some extent, you can not play eve without it.
Zeba Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company	Posted - 2009.08.06 20:12:00 - [75] Originally by: ShadowMaiden the Roleplayers will look up and cry - "NO! we are important!" and the PVPers will whisper - "no..." Lol! Take a random gang into either alliances territory and start some trouble. I think you will find rp players ships are just as effective as your so called pvpers. Originally by: Zaqar Anyway, you don't have to be Einstein to play Eve - a quick glance over the forums will tell you that -
ShadowMaiden Amarr Divine Radiance	Posted - 2009.08.06 20:53:00 - [76] Originally by: Xennith Because RPing and PvPing are mutually exclusive? Slightly shortsighted viewpoint there tbh, given how much fighting is done by the "lolrp" alliances it is odd that people are so willing to just pretend that we all just sit around emoting at each other in local rather than shooting. Still, if it makes you underestimate us in a fight then thats all to the good really. ITT - RPers get butthurt and offended at what is obvious satire, get a sense of humour ffs.
Xennith Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.08.06 20:55:00 - [77] I wouldnt say that was a "butthurt" response, more a fairly reasonable one. However my satire detector must be broken, was that post satire too? Its so hard to tell.
Tony Kael Caldari Laughing Leprechauns Corporation Gentlemen's Club	Posted - 2009.08.06 22:53:00 - [78] Originally by: Zeba Originally by: ShadowMaiden the Roleplayers will look up and cry - "NO! we are important!" and the PVPers will whisper - "no..." Lol! Take a random gang into either alliances territory and start some trouble. I think you will find rp players ships are just as effective as your so called pvpers. QFT. RP or no RP - you'll never get an 'easy' fight off CVA. ____________________________________ LEP
Mystical Dawn	Posted - 2009.08.06 22:55:00 - [79] Originally by: iP0D Shorter version: CVA = bad guys U'K = good guys. Fixed for you.


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