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Gerard Lebieux
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Posted - 2009.08.04 18:34:00 -
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First off, I'd like to say this isnt a recruitment post, I have one of those in the appropriate forum. I'm asking for guidance from seasoned CEO's about recruitment, as I'm having a devil of a time. I offer decent things, for a small corp, but no one gives my ads the time of day. I've wallpapered the recruitment chat, I've paid for a recruitment ad in-game, I've maintained a post in the recruitment forum. Once in a blue moon I get a recruit who stays for a day or so before never logging in again.
Any thoughts on what I'm doing wrong or could do better?
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Sniper Wolf18
Gallente
A Pretty Pony Princess
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2009.08.04 18:35:00 -
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Edited by: Sniper Wolf18 on 04/08/2009 18:34:58
Water it and use some ammonium nitrate
EDIT: I thought you said crop...
And to finish, thank you for reading my sig
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Gunnanmon
Gallente
UNITED STAR SYNDICATE
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Posted - 2009.08.04 18:35:00 -
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The problem is there are about 50 million corps out there to choose between.
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Irida Mershkov
Gallente
War is Bliss
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Posted - 2009.08.04 18:36:00 -
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Edited by: Irida Mershkov on 04/08/2009 18:36:03
Show it love and caring and give it a kiss before bed every night.
Edit: Tbh, just as the guy above said, namely it's getting friends to join, then friends of friends, then eventually picking up others and such. My corp has always been small and made of friends.
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Joseph Dreadloch
Out For Blood
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Posted - 2009.08.04 18:37:00 -
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Its the same with EVE as it is with most MMO's its extremely hard to establish a new corp when there are so many solid corps already established which are much more appealing.
The only way I can see a brand new corp actually growing is if it's started by a group of friends who act as the core players, others will want to join in on the group and become part of it, if its just one dude making you a bunch of promises it probably wont work.
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Max Torps
Gallente
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
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Posted - 2009.08.04 18:39:00 -
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There's some excellent advice in issue #016 of the Eon magazine.
It boils down to:
1: Define a role for your corp. Be specific.
2: Name the corp accordingly. Don't call it carebears united if you are a pvp corp for example.
3: Brand the corp. Icons, graphics, website, killboard etc.
4: Plan the structure of the corp ahead of recruitment.
5: Don't let everyone in. Try to ensure they share your goals.
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randomname4me
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Posted - 2009.08.04 18:40:00 -
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With silver bells, and ****le shells,
And pretty maids all in a row.
EVE Online: Rated RRR- For Explicit Breakfast Piercing Bullets. |
BilldeMaro
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.08.04 18:41:00 -
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- Recruit one or more females
- Make it clear you have females in the corp
- Watch your corp get steamrolled by apps from lonely nerds
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Barakkus
Caelestis Iudicium
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Posted - 2009.08.04 18:46:00 -
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Just post pictures like the spammers do on your corp's forums, they'll grow.
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Haradgrim
Tyrell Corp
Fuzzy Nut Attack Squirrels
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Posted - 2009.08.04 19:11:00 -
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 Originally by: BilldeMaro
- Recruit one or more females
- Make it clear you have females in the corp
- Watch your corp get steamrolled by apps from lonely nerds
This.
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Originally by: CCP Oveur
Just donęt forget the reach-around.
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Spectre3353
Gallente
The Python Cartel.
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Posted - 2009.08.04 19:13:00 -
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(1) Have a core of friends/pilots that will stick with the corp no matter what. This is the foundation of players. Others will join/leave and there will be turnover but eventually people will fit in with the core become part of it and it will grow into a reliable group that plays well together.
(2) Offer people something. If possible, offer them something unique. A nice website, killboard, Ventrilo, ransom board, free ships, scheduled ops, etc are a good start.
(3) Start an Eve blog and get it popular. Make yourself sound fun and cool. Once that is all established, make recruitment posts on it and watch all the peoples apps flow in.
On a completely unrelated note, read my blog! It is fun and cool!
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Joe Starbreaker
The Fighting Republicans
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Posted - 2009.08.04 19:16:00 -
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Give your potential recruits something they can't get without you, like regular fleet activities or something.
= the GOP is recruiting = |
Draeca
Tharri and Co.
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Posted - 2009.08.04 19:20:00 -
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Be more interesting.
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Jack Airron
Gallente
Setenta Corp
Libertas Fidelitas
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Posted - 2009.08.04 19:30:00 -
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miracle grow?
no srsly?
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Cors
It's A Trap
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Posted - 2009.08.04 19:30:00 -
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Edited by: Cors on 04/08/2009 19:30:53
A few things pull people in.
A large industrial backbone(VERY expensive to get up and running. Literally hundreds of billions. Most CAN'T do this)
An active PVP corp. Meaning you need a dozen or more DEDICATED PVP FC's. If you can get this, putting a link to your killboard so the potential recruits can SEE that you REALLY do pvp.
Access to 0.0.
Access to 0.0 is probobly the biggest one for bulk recruitment, #2 is the most important for pvpers.
You can have no industry whats so ever if there are PVP ops 3-4 times a day. For ops 3-4 times a day, I'll put up with some of the worst people in EVE. TRUST ME. My main PVP is in an alliance that is about a 1/2 step up from goons. But there are ops going on 3-4 times a day, with good FC's.
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Axel grease
Gallente
Brotherhood Of The Black
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Posted - 2009.08.04 19:41:00 -
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as struggling myself to recruit I have found this useful, my technique which turned out to be a wise move was offering a different experience from the usual corps and pirates and such.
Right now im trying to recruit people from a old sandbox pvp guild I was in, in a different game, I talk to people one on one, also you can sometimes find guys that want to consolidate corp's from having a small one also can be a quick and good boost to membership, you can attempt to absorb them, especially if your seen as the stronger.
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Yakumo Smith
Gallente
No End To Infinity
Fleetingly Finite
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Posted - 2009.08.04 19:43:00 -
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Originally by: Cors
You can have no industry whats so ever if there are PVP ops 3-4 times a day. For ops 3-4 times a day, I'll put up with some of the worst people in EVE. TRUST ME. My main PVP is in an alliance that is about a 1/2 step up from goons. But there are ops going on 3-4 times a day, with good FC's.
This^^ I'd give my right pinky for a corp that has a decent number of pvp ops daily.
Activety is key. No one wants to be in a corp that only has them in chat.
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Kazarne Dane
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Posted - 2009.08.04 19:46:00 -
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Edited by: Kazarne Dane on 04/08/2009 19:46:31
You have to talk to people, meaning you have to hunt them down when they are online and initiate conversation with them and convince them to join. Passive recruitment works only for well-known corporations in well-known alliances. For a small obscure corp it doesn't work. When I post on recruitment forum with my main I get about 10-20 responses, some in recruitment thread, many others sent via evemail, and multiple convos when I come online. There is a lot of choice. Just like in real life, you have to make your corp stand out and make a very good first impression. This is usually achieved by having a charismatic recruiter and convoing people right away before they get drowned by all the other invites, because the more other invites they get the less likely it is that they will join your corp.
So go to recruitment channel, spam very irregularly but persistently (spamming once every 3 seconds just gets recruits annoyed) and look for people who post that they are looking for corp. Start a conversation with them immediately when you see them posting. Go to the recruitment forum, add people who have posted threads there to your addressbook, convo them right away when you see them come online, bookmark their thread for later reference to refresh your mind about what the recruit needs. When you are at work leave EVE running on computer at home and have the recruitment chat logged. When you come back review the log of recruitment chat, identify players who have been looking for a corp in game, once again look them up and if they are still not in corp add them to your addressbook and convo when they get online.
In conversation be nice and polite, ask the potential recruits about themselves, show that you care about them but also fish for information at the same what about what they are looking for. If recruit is somebody you pulled from forum pull up their recruitment thread from your bookmarks and glance over it quickly. Then tell them what you corp has to offer, but taylor your offers to their specific needs. Some small talk and jokes help put the conversation into more positive tone.
How far you want to shoot depends on how much time you want to devote to this. If you have very little time, then focus on recruits who you think are very likely to join in. If you have more time you can shoot convos to people who you think might join but aren't sure about. Recruitment is a lot of work for one person to do. Break it up into pieces and delegate to 1 or 2 other people in corp. Have another person provide some sort of orientation of new people coming into corp. And another person hunt down recruits alongside with you.
Post the recruitment stage you have to worry about retention. After all if your corp doesn't do anything your new members will get up in leave in a week or two. And all your efforts will be wasted. So have a plan. How are you going to retain them? In most corps this is accomplished by having group ops to achieve some common goal. Some corps have very strictly defined goals like to purchase all battleship BPOs and start bs production. Some corps have very diffuse goals like to learn how to pvp well.
For a small corp it is best to focus. Your membership will be very small and limited in skills and abilities, and only half the players will be really active. So it is best to hire people who are all interested in the same thing rather than hire 3 pvpers, 4 miners, and 2 explorers who will all be engaging in different activities in game. So decide what you want to focus on and decide what kind of group ops you would like to have and plan ahead for this because you need to retain people after you recruit them.
~good luck!
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Kazarne Dane
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Posted - 2009.08.04 20:24:00 -
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On the note of retention, as a CEO you are also charged with the task of delegating responsibilities inside corp and picking the right people for it. And you want to have competent, smart, and charismatic people help you run the show. Too often do I see corps where people are granted roles and titles because they are good friends of the CEO but they do **** for the corp and do **** with their roles. Avoid cronyism. Embrace meritocracy. If you see promising recruits in corp - people who are active, pleasant to be around with, and know their stuff or quickly figure it out - chat with them and get them involved with corp projects, show them how they can contribute. Make them feel good about their participation and willingness to take on responsibility and try to get them hooked long-term with your corp.
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Weight What
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Posted - 2009.08.04 20:39:00 -
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Edited by: Weight What on 04/08/2009 20:40:34
Hell hell hell hell
lol, the poster above me has just made an unwitting Magic Dragonrider Tao Ball quote:
Originally by: Magic Dragonrider Tao Ball
Avoid cronyism. Embrace meritocracy
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Drunk Driver
Gallente
Aliastra
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Posted - 2009.08.04 20:48:00 -
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Dung....
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Furb Killer
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.08.04 21:01:00 -
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Originally by: BilldeMaro
- Recruit one or more females
- Make it clear you have females in the corp
- Watch your corp get steamrolled by apps from lonely nerds
Where can i apply?
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Danton Marcellus
Nebula Rasa Holdings
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Posted - 2009.08.04 21:03:00 -
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Starting out from scratch is hard to do. The easier way is to join an existing corporation, if and when that falters you break off with a division, a starting nucleus of your own outfit.
Should/would/could have, HAVE you chav!
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iP0D
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Posted - 2009.08.04 21:21:00 -
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Make sure the CEO is a woman. At at least a female Director.
Have her advertise the corp, preferably using EVE-Voice or some other form of voice comms.
Take a few good steps back. Watch men go very wierd.
At this point you have a choice to either just keep the men coming in, or recycle them so you get babies who's minds you can mold as you see fit.
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Joe Starbreaker
The Fighting Republicans
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Posted - 2009.08.04 22:27:00 -
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Originally by: iP0D
Make sure the CEO is a woman. At at least a female Director.
Have her advertise the corp, preferably using EVE-Voice or some other form of voice comms.
Pro tip: There is also software you can use to alter your voice and make you sound like a woman on voice comms.
= the GOP is recruiting = |
Tau Cabalander
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.08.04 22:28:00 -
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You have to make people want to buy your product, or they will shop elsewhere.
How many PvP-ops a week do you have?
How many mining-ops a week do you have?
How many training-ops per week do you have?
How many mission-ops per week do you have?
How much free stuff do you offer?
How many POSes do you have?
How many POS ME and PE research slots are open to members?
Are POS invention and coping slots open to members?
How low are your taxes?
How friendly, helpful, and knowledgeable are your members?
etc.
Basically it takes a lot of work.
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Amataras
Minmatar
Rule of Five
The Junta
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Posted - 2009.08.04 22:36:00 -
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I've always considered it a good idea to make sure you have a strong core of players you've flown with before around you to help run the corp and provide consistent player presence in your channels / ops.
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Zeba
Minmatar
Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2009.08.04 22:36:00 -
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Originally by: Draeca
Be more interesting.
Pretty much this. No matter what your skills as a leader or generousity in providing corp members with benefits if you can keep them awake when you talk to them you are pretty much boned. So what I would advise is to make a friend who has charm then make him your recruiter and front man whilst you plot behind the scenes.
Originally by: Zaqar
Anyway, you don't have to be Einstein to play Eve - a quick glance over the forums will tell you that -
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Max Torps
Gallente
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
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Posted - 2009.08.04 23:08:00 -
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Originally by: Zeba
Pretty much this. No matter what your skills as a leader or generousity in providing corp members with benefits if you can't keep them awake when you talk to them you are pretty much boned. So what I would advise is to make a friend who has charm then make him your recruiter and front man whilst you plot the corps path behind the scenes.
I think Zeba has again hit the nail on the head. You don't have to be the charismatic, gung ho leader type. Get a charismatic person in to follow your instruction. As is often the case, charisma and brains don't necessarily combine well in the same person.
If you lack in something, recognise it and compensate using someone else.
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Cobalt Sixty
Caldari
Piezochem
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Posted - 2009.08.05 01:20:00 -
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Edited by: Cobalt Sixty on 05/08/2009 01:21:25
Originally by: Max Torps
2: Name the corp accordingly. Don't call it carebears united if you are a pvp corp for example.
Debatable: nobody expects the Spanish Veldspar Inquisition - I've seen plenty of PvP focused corporations which have deliberately misleading names. Call it what you like, but make sure you market it correctly to your intended audience.
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