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Jayrendo Karr Suns Of Korhal Terran Commonwealth 130	Posted - 2012.05.27 01:33:00 - [1] - Quote [Phantasm, PHANTASTIC] 3x True Sansha Heavy Pulse Laser (Dark Blood Multifrequency M) 2x True Sansha Small Nosferatu 3x Dread Guristas Adaptive Invulnerability Field Gist B-Type X-Large Shield Booster Caldari Navy Shield Boost Amplifier True Sansha Small Capacitor Booster (Navy Cap Booster 400) 2x True Sansha Power Diagnostic System True Sansha Heat Sink Medium Semiconductor Memory Cell II 2x Medium Semiconductor Memory Cell I 3x Hobgoblin II Obviously an expensive ship so it would only fly in gangs with other such ships to lessen the obvious chance of primary the bling ship . I have the skills but need more to get it going really dangerous but overload can tank 1.4k assuming the modules dont burnout before the capacitor. Basically a high end fleet ship. I don't have either the isk or enough SP to fly it as well but id like to know if its even worth working towards.
Zhilia Mann Tide Way Out Productions 493	Posted - 2012.05.27 01:46:00 - [2] - Quote Rather than point out the obvious problems with the fit, I'll just say this: faction pulses are a terrible, terrible idea. If you want to use pulses, you need Scorch, and that means T2 guns. And that's just the surface of that problem.
Michael Harari The Hatchery Team Liquid 135	Posted - 2012.05.27 02:25:00 - [3] - Quote lol This fit is terrible in every single way. You would really have to stretch to make it any worse
Hail Goddess Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 2	Posted - 2012.05.27 02:28:00 - [4] - Quote Zhilia Mann wrote: Rather than point out the obvious problems with the fit, I'll just say this: faction pulses are a terrible, terrible idea. If you want to use pulses, you need Scorch, and that means T2 guns. And that's just the surface of that problem. When you're role playing. Your setup doesn't have to make sense. It just has to be faction. Plus 1 for an amazing setup dude 07
FT Diomedes The Graduates RAZOR Alliance 103	Posted - 2012.05.27 04:35:00 - [5] - Quote Hail Goddess wrote: Zhilia Mann wrote: Rather than point out the obvious problems with the fit, I'll just say this: faction pulses are a terrible, terrible idea. If you want to use pulses, you need Scorch, and that means T2 guns. And that's just the surface of that problem. When you're role playing. Your setup doesn't have to make sense. It just has to be faction. Plus 1 for an amazing setup dude 07 The Sansha don't particularly like the Caldari Navy. If you are roleplaying, you should be fitting a faction module that is more friendly to the Sansha.
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE 86	Posted - 2012.05.27 04:57:00 - [6] - Quote FT Diomedes wrote: The Sansha don't particularly like the Caldari Navy. If you are roleplaying, you should be fitting a faction module that is more friendly to the Sansha. armor tank ftw! :p I guess the other question is what are you using it for?
Liam Mirren 520	Posted - 2012.05.27 07:43:00 - [7] - Quote The fit makes no sense as it seems to have no role, faction pulses make no sense and without tackle it doesn't work in pvp. Also in fleets you really don't want to use a faction ship/fit like that because it means you'll be primaried each and every time. Do not think that ship size/cost will help you survive pvp if you're inexperienced, it won't and all it'll be is a hilariously expensive lossmail. Excellence is not a skill, it's an attitude. My guides: http://mirren.freeforums.org
Jayrendo Karr Suns Of Korhal Terran Commonwealth 131	Posted - 2012.05.27 07:46:00 - [8] - Quote Its not for roleplaying its just a generic fit, i just chose TS mods because i thought they were the best laser fation equipent, like I said it wouldnt be a solo ship. It would be used in gangs of high end ships (machs vindis snake command ships etc).I dont plan on flying it soon but all im asking is for fitting advice.
RubyPorto SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT 1604	Posted - 2012.05.27 08:47:00 - [9] - Quote Jayrendo Karr wrote: Its not for roleplaying its just a generic fit, i just chose TS mods because i thought they were the best laser fation equipent, like I said it wouldnt be a solo ship. It would be used in gangs of high end ships (machs vindis snake command ships etc).I dont plan on flying it soon but all im asking is for fitting advice. No Prop, No Point, No Scorch, No Chance Single-Shard, *Player Driven-áSandbox*. 5 words. That's what makes it special.
Michael Harari The Hatchery Team Liquid 138	Posted - 2012.05.27 14:12:00 - [10] - Quote Jayrendo Karr wrote: Its not for roleplaying its just a generic fit, i just chose TS mods because i thought they were the best laser fation equipent, like I said it wouldnt be a solo ship. It would be used in gangs of high end ships (machs vindis snake command ships etc).I dont plan on flying it soon but all im asking is for fitting advice. You clearly have no idea how anything works. This is worse than a t1 fitted rifter for pvp, and worse than a rupture for pve.

george harries School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 45	Posted - 2012.05.27 15:02:00 - [11] - Quote Without going into detail you should take on board a few things, faction mods can be useful if used to enhance the attributes of the ship - eg faction point on a ship that gets a bonus for point. Faction lasers as already pointed out, can't use T2 ammo so for pulse you really need Scorch ammo - so T2 guns By having to fit PDU's you have a gimped fit as those two low slots could be used for more gank and/or mods to assist the guns Ditto for your rigs - having to fit 3 memory cells says you just don't have the power - unless you fitted based upon your skills rather than skills at 5 - one I can understand but you could use the other slots for shield and/or gank Try looking at it (possibly) with shield extenders in the rig slots (possibly an EM rig ?) more gank in the lows. Mids - well you're kind of on the right track but you need propulsion mod and possibly tackle - unless you are aiming just to do DPS and expecting to be running with some tacklers in a group It's just too damn expensive for what you would like to use it for and just won't be optimal with this set up. Saying all that the Phantasm isn't used a lot in PvP - I'm sure people do use it with success but youre fit gimps what it could do. In all honesty - try another cruiser that uses similar mods (amarr) see how they work, skill up shield and secondary sklills (engineering, electronics etc) then see on a few months if you think the Phantasm is the way to go.
Unimaginative Guy Dutch Squad Chained Reactions 10	Posted - 2012.05.27 16:06:00 - [12] - Quote This fit fails so hard...like too hard for a troll its just sickening. 0/10
Daneel Trevize The Scope Gallente Federation 130	Posted - 2012.05.27 16:50:00 - [13] - Quote OP is looking for the following fit. Obviously for use with Tengu and Loki links, and drugs, etc. Quote: [Phantasm, baby nightmare with web not X-L 100mn AB?!] Damage Control II True Sansha Heat Sink True Sansha Heat Sink Gist X-Type Large Shield Booster Federation Navy Stasis Webifier True Sansha Medium Capacitor Booster, Navy Cap Booster 800 True Sansha Warp Scrambler Caldari Navy Adaptive Invulnerability Field Core X-Type 100MN Afterburner Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M Dark Blood Small Energy Neutralizer Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M Dark Blood Small Energy Neutralizer Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M Medium Ancillary Current Router II Medium Core Defense Capacitor Safeguard II Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II Warrior II x3 Crystal Alpha Crystal Beta Crystal Gamma Crystal Delta Crystal Epsilon Crystal Omega Inherent Implants 'Lancer' Controlled Bursts CB-705 Inherent Implants 'Lancer' Medium Energy Turret ME-805 Eifyr and Co. 'Gunslinger' Surgical Strike SS-905
Grainsalt Eclipse Navy 64	Posted - 2012.05.27 20:03:00 - [14] - Quote Daneel Trevize wrote: OP is looking for the following fit. Obviously for use with Tengu and Loki links, and drugs, etc. Quote: [Phantasm, baby nightmare with web not X-L 100mn AB?!] Damage Control II True Sansha Heat Sink True Sansha Heat Sink Gist X-Type Large Shield Booster Federation Navy Stasis Webifier True Sansha Medium Capacitor Booster, Navy Cap Booster 800 True Sansha Warp Scrambler Caldari Navy Adaptive Invulnerability Field Core X-Type 100MN Afterburner Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M Dark Blood Small Energy Neutralizer Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M Dark Blood Small Energy Neutralizer Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M Medium Ancillary Current Router II Medium Core Defense Capacitor Safeguard II Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II Warrior II x3 Crystal Alpha Crystal Beta Crystal Gamma Crystal Delta Crystal Epsilon Crystal Omega Inherent Implants 'Lancer' Controlled Bursts CB-705 Inherent Implants 'Lancer' Medium Energy Turret ME-805 Eifyr and Co. 'Gunslinger' Surgical Strike SS-905 Why on earth?
Michael Harari The Hatchery Team Liquid 138	Posted - 2012.05.27 20:09:00 - [15] - Quote Grainsalt wrote: Why on earth? Everyone likes dying to a hurricane in a fancy fit
RubyPorto SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT 1612	Posted - 2012.05.27 21:10:00 - [16] - Quote Daneel Trevize wrote: OP is looking for the following fit. Obviously for use with Tengu and Loki links, and drugs, etc. Quote: [Phantasm, baby nightmare with web not X-L 100mn AB?!] Why not Zoidberg? Single-Shard, *Player Driven-áSandbox*. 5 words. That's what makes it special.
Arch Stanton's Neighbour Forceful Resource Acquisition Inc 10	Posted - 2012.05.27 21:45:00 - [17] - Quote Jayrendo Karr wrote: Obviously an expensive ship so it would only fly in gangs with other such ships to lessen the obvious chance of primary the bling ship . I have the skills but need more to get it going really dangerous but overload can tank 1.4k assuming the modules dont burnout before the capacitor. Basically a high end fleet ship. I don't have either the isk or enough SP to fly it as well but id like to know if its even worth working towards. Hi, props for the willingness to learn and asking questions. First off your fit sucks balls because the cap will last about 20 seconds before your bling ship becomes a stationary target. Secondly the whole point of lasers is using scorch. If you're flying lasers without scorch you're not coming across as a good player. T2 medium lasers don't take that long to train for. So to start sucking less you'll want to pay attention to how long your cap lasts, how much cap you're booster is giving and how much the mods are consuming. For that reason using an X-Large shield booster is simply dumb. There are two ways to fit a phantasm for active tank: Large shield booster + 2 x Medium Core Def Cap Safeguard II or Medium shield booster + 2 x Medium Core Def Oper Solidifier II The remaining rig should be a t2 anti-em. Either of those ways you get a decent tank that will last until you run out of cap charges. If your budget is as flexible as you imply try an a-type med shield booster, cald navy boost amp, t2 invuln for goot tank and low cap comsumption. If you wont be using point throw another boost amp there. All fueled by a t2 medium cap booster plus the mentioned rigs. Dont forget a prop - mwd or ab at least. Good luck.
Alain Badiou Shinken Shobu 2	Posted - 2012.05.27 22:09:00 - [18] - Quote Never tried an active tanke setup for Phantasm, but this is what i have rolled with in the past. Buffer fit with 39K shields with my skills. Way cheaper than your fit and far more survivable with the added bonus that when you die the loss mail isn't hilarious. edit - DB HS for fitting I think, plus i had it lying around. Poor phantasm screams for more cpu... [Phantasm] 3x Heavy Pulse Laser II (Conflagration M) Salvager I Small Nosferatu II Experimental 10MN MicroWarpdrive I 2x Large Shield Extender II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Medium Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I (Cap Booster 25) Warp Disruptor II Heat Sink II Dark Blood Heat Sink Power Diagnostic System II Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I 2x Medium Core Defense Field Extender I 3x Hornet EC-300
Daniel Plain Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 138	Posted - 2012.05.27 22:35:00 - [19] - Quote this thread just got me thinking: can a reasonable fit phantasm handle a C2? it would be pretty convenient to loot and salvage while running the sites and not risk too much isk while soloing them.
RubyPorto SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT 1613	Posted - 2012.05.27 22:54:00 - [20] - Quote Daniel Plain wrote: this thread just got me thinking: can a reasonable fit phantasm handle a C2? it would be pretty convenient to loot and salvage while running the sites and not risk too much isk while soloing them. This, maybe? Haven't done much WH stuff, but I suspect a Cane or Harbi will do better cheaper (and the Cane'll have the same utility highs). [Phantasm, C2?] Heat Sink II Heat Sink II Damage Control II 10MN Afterburner II Large Ancillary Shield Booster, Cap Booster 150 Shield Boost Amplifier II EM Ward Field II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Salvager II Salvager II Medium Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I Medium Energy Discharge Elutriation II Medium Energy Discharge Elutriation II Single-Shard, *Player Driven-áSandbox*. 5 words. That's what makes it special.

Daniel Plain Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 138	Posted - 2012.05.27 23:06:00 - [21] - Quote you're right, what was i thinking? cane is obviously much more suited for this kind of work.
Arch Stanton's Neighbour Forceful Resource Acquisition Inc 10	Posted - 2012.05.28 03:13:00 - [22] - Quote Daniel Plain wrote: you're right, what was i thinking? cane is obviously much more suited for this kind of work. The difference is, many ships who will engage a phantasm would run from a cane.
Merin Ryskin Peregrine Industries 81	Posted - 2012.05.28 05:54:00 - [23] - Quote Jayrendo Karr wrote: Its not for roleplaying its just a generic fit, i just chose TS mods because i thought they were the best laser fation equipent, like I said it wouldnt be a solo ship. It would be used in gangs of high end ships (machs vindis snake command ships etc).I dont plan on flying it soon but all im asking is for fitting advice. Oh, in that case it will work fine, as long as you stay out of 0.0 (no MWD in a bubble = die). Nobody is going to primary a mere Phantasm when there are faction battleship killmails to farm, so you should have plenty of time to recognize that your fleet is losing the fight and run away. You'll get all the excitement of putting stupid amounts of ISK at risk, but you're probably not going to lose your entire wallet in the process. Now, whether your fleet-mates will be amused that you brought a comedy setup to a faction battleship fleet, well, let's just say you'd better hope you don't get this abomination posted on anyone's killboard...
Verity Sovereign Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 199	Posted - 2012.05.28 07:04:00 - [24] - Quote Phantasm sucks compared to the other faction cruisers, especially the vindi and cynabaal (and Gila?) slower smaller Drone bay * 1 less mid+ low slot * more or less equal effective turret number cap problems Cyna: 257 m/s 50m3 drone bay 5/5 mid/low slot 8 effective turrets at lvl 5 ( 41.5/.75 ) Vigi: 206 m/s 50m3 drone bay 4/6 mid/low slot 8.75 ( 51.75 ) + it has an awesome web bonus Phantasm: 164 m/s (crap) 15 m3 drone bay (crap) 6/3 mid/low (one less, crap), 8 effective turrets (32*1.25) at lvl 5 - meh + uhh, it has a bonus that makes pulse track almost as well as projectiles... Gila: 164 m/s (crap) 400 m3 drone bay (awesome) 6/4 mid/low 3 launchers, but the 5 bonused heavy/sentries make up for this, plus its got an awesome tank Ashimmu 175 m/s (not great) 10 m3 drone (crap) 5/4 mid/low (1 less, crap) 6 effective turrets + it has an awesome neut/nos and web bonus The Phantasm blows
RubyPorto SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT 1627	Posted - 2012.05.28 08:57:00 - [25] - Quote Arch Stanton's Neighbour wrote: Daniel Plain wrote: you're right, what was i thinking? cane is obviously much more suited for this kind of work. The difference is, many ships who will engage a phantasm would run from a cane. Sleepers run? We were having a tangent. Single-Shard, *Player Driven-áSandbox*. 5 words. That's what makes it special.
Daniel Plain Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 138	Posted - 2012.05.28 09:30:00 - [26] - Quote Arch Stanton's Neighbour wrote: Daniel Plain wrote: you're right, what was i thinking? cane is obviously much more suited for this kind of work. The difference is, many ships who will engage a phantasm would run from a cane. when i'm shooting red crosses i'd rather have people run from me tbh.


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