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Arleonenis
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Posted - 2004.10.07 10:07:00 -
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Edited by: Arleonenis on 07/10/2004 10:09:47 dont change destroyers, they are nice now oh you could increase they cargo space if you must change something 
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Arleonenis
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Posted - 2004.10.07 10:07:00 -
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Edited by: Arleonenis on 07/10/2004 10:09:47 dont change destroyers, they are nice now oh you could increase they cargo space if you must change something 
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CCP Hammer
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Posted - 2004.10.07 10:07:00 -
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I just wanted to make a quick post before things get out of hand that the stats on current destroyers and battlecruisers on SISI are temporary and any discussion about the balance of the hard numbers is rather pointless right now. Feel free to discuss the ships and give suggestions but understand that there can and will be drastic changes to the numbers before Shiva hits.
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CCP Hammer
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Posted - 2004.10.07 10:07:00 -
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I just wanted to make a quick post before things get out of hand that the stats on current destroyers and battlecruisers on SISI are temporary and any discussion about the balance of the hard numbers is rather pointless right now. Feel free to discuss the ships and give suggestions but understand that there can and will be drastic changes to the numbers before Shiva hits.
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CCP Hammer
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Posted - 2004.10.07 10:08:00 -
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Originally by: Arleonenis dont change destroyers, there are nice now
WOW, you're quick! 
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CCP Hammer
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Posted - 2004.10.07 10:08:00 -
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Originally by: Arleonenis dont change destroyers, there are nice now
WOW, you're quick! 
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Arleonenis
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Posted - 2004.10.07 10:09:00 -
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i know
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Arleonenis
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Posted - 2004.10.07 10:09:00 -
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i know
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Arleonenis
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Posted - 2004.10.07 10:11:00 -
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heavy assault ship = tech2 destroyers/battlecruisers = tech1
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Arleonenis
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Posted - 2004.10.07 10:11:00 -
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heavy assault ship = tech2 destroyers/battlecruisers = tech1
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Sternburg Export
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Posted - 2004.10.07 10:11:00 -
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Why have Battlecruisern and destroyers so low Skill req¦s?
I mean thea are specialcruisers too.
and for assaultcruisers u ave many things to skill before u can use one ____________________________ [ 2005.03.31 20:53:50 ] (mining) Your Basic Miner perfectly strikes Veldspar Roid, wrecking for 20 Ore units.
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Sternburg Export
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Posted - 2004.10.07 10:11:00 -
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Why have Battlecruisern and destroyers so low Skill req¦s?
I mean thea are specialcruisers too.
and for assaultcruisers u ave many things to skill before u can use one ____________________________ [ 2005.03.31 20:53:50 ] (mining) Your Basic Miner perfectly strikes Veldspar Roid, wrecking for 20 Ore units.
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Ruiz Mateos
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Posted - 2004.10.07 10:21:00 -
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Edited by: Ruiz Mateos on 07/10/2004 10:27:17 Destroyers are fine now...DONT CHANGE THEM!
DTs and BCs are both new clases no elite ships.
Im not a carebear! NO!NO!NO! AND NO! |

Ruiz Mateos
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Posted - 2004.10.07 10:21:00 -
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Edited by: Ruiz Mateos on 07/10/2004 10:27:17 Destroyers are fine now...DONT CHANGE THEM!
DTs and BCs are both new clases no elite ships.
Im not a carebear! NO!NO!NO! AND NO! |

Helmut 314
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Posted - 2004.10.07 10:22:00 -
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Yes, the Destroyers are very nice, a small mass reduction wouldnt be unwelcome though.....
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Helmut 314
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Posted - 2004.10.07 10:22:00 -
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Yes, the Destroyers are very nice, a small mass reduction wouldnt be unwelcome though.....
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jukriamrr
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Posted - 2004.10.07 10:26:00 -
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Edited by: jukriamrr on 07/10/2004 10:49:38 Ha!
One thing that should be important for battlecruisers:
As heavy-hitters, and 'pocket battleships', they should be able to mount either:
- a large number of medium-size weapons - a small number of large weapons
Would that be possible? Make their powergrid able to support 2-3 L-size pieces of equipment.
That would make for very nice surprises and more mixed battles.
I saw that most BCs are now around 1500-1700 PG, which should be increased to around 4500-5000. In that way, a BC pilot could choose to equip some L equipment at the expense of other aspects.
- If the choice is for defence, then the pilot cannot mount L guns (simply not enough powergrid) - If the choice is for offence, then the pilot cannot mount L repairers/batteries, etc (simply not enough powergrid too)
--> That would make them real pocket bs's, and dangerous as they should be.
My 2 Ç cents :)
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jukriamrr
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Posted - 2004.10.07 10:26:00 -
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Edited by: jukriamrr on 07/10/2004 10:49:38 Ha!
One thing that should be important for battlecruisers:
As heavy-hitters, and 'pocket battleships', they should be able to mount either:
- a large number of medium-size weapons - a small number of large weapons
Would that be possible? Make their powergrid able to support 2-3 L-size pieces of equipment.
That would make for very nice surprises and more mixed battles.
I saw that most BCs are now around 1500-1700 PG, which should be increased to around 4500-5000. In that way, a BC pilot could choose to equip some L equipment at the expense of other aspects.
- If the choice is for defence, then the pilot cannot mount L guns (simply not enough powergrid) - If the choice is for offence, then the pilot cannot mount L repairers/batteries, etc (simply not enough powergrid too)
--> That would make them real pocket bs's, and dangerous as they should be.
My 2 Ç cents :)
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Arleonenis
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Posted - 2004.10.07 10:30:00 -
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Edited by: Arleonenis on 07/10/2004 10:32:52 i think battleCRUISER should use med guns not large, if you want small number of guns buy typhoon or scorpion 
but i agree that pg and cpu on battlecruisers is to low, and bonuses should be to increase power of single salvo when rate of fire should bo quite long, so basically all bonuses to dmg, tracking no bonuses to rof
and bigger cap is needed to
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Arleonenis
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Posted - 2004.10.07 10:30:00 -
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Edited by: Arleonenis on 07/10/2004 10:32:52 i think battleCRUISER should use med guns not large, if you want small number of guns buy typhoon or scorpion 
but i agree that pg and cpu on battlecruisers is to low, and bonuses should be to increase power of single salvo when rate of fire should bo quite long, so basically all bonuses to dmg, tracking no bonuses to rof
and bigger cap is needed to
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jukriamrr
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Posted - 2004.10.07 10:45:00 -
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Edited by: jukriamrr on 07/10/2004 10:54:16
Originally by: Arleonenis Edited by: Arleonenis on 07/10/2004 10:32:52 i think battleCRUISER should use med guns not large, if you want small number of guns buy typhoon or scorpion 
How about: BATTLEcruiser? ;)
EDIT:
Unless, unless...
S weapons: frigates & destroyers M weapons: cruisers & battlecruiser L weapons: battleships & ?
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jukriamrr
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Posted - 2004.10.07 10:45:00 -
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Edited by: jukriamrr on 07/10/2004 10:54:16
Originally by: Arleonenis Edited by: Arleonenis on 07/10/2004 10:32:52 i think battleCRUISER should use med guns not large, if you want small number of guns buy typhoon or scorpion 
How about: BATTLEcruiser? ;)
EDIT:
Unless, unless...
S weapons: frigates & destroyers M weapons: cruisers & battlecruiser L weapons: battleships & ?
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Arleonenis
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Posted - 2004.10.07 11:05:00 -
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Quote: L weapons: battleships & ?
DREADNOUGHTS
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Arleonenis
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Posted - 2004.10.07 11:05:00 -
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Quote: L weapons: battleships & ?
DREADNOUGHTS
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Devineflid
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Posted - 2004.10.07 11:32:00 -
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i hate to bring in real life matters, but i am REALLY bored so why not.
"pocket battleships" as they are called, were an invention of ******s navy during the buildup to the second world war, they were made to circumvent one of the rules to stop them re-arming, this said they were not allowed to build ships over a certain mass, so to get round this, ships that were below the mass of a battleship, with exactly the same firepower as one were invented.
so maybe the cruisers should get a "90% less powergrid and 60% less cpu on L (raceial) weapons" bonus, to allow for this?
comments please ==============================================
Have you ever wondered who was responsible for the "do not attempt to stop chain with hand or genitals" type notes on things? well it was me, or at le |

Devineflid
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Posted - 2004.10.07 11:32:00 -
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i hate to bring in real life matters, but i am REALLY bored so why not.
"pocket battleships" as they are called, were an invention of ******s navy during the buildup to the second world war, they were made to circumvent one of the rules to stop them re-arming, this said they were not allowed to build ships over a certain mass, so to get round this, ships that were below the mass of a battleship, with exactly the same firepower as one were invented.
so maybe the cruisers should get a "90% less powergrid and 60% less cpu on L (raceial) weapons" bonus, to allow for this?
comments please ==============================================
Have you ever wondered who was responsible for the "do not attempt to stop chain with hand or genitals" type notes on things? well it was me, or at le |

jukriamrr
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Posted - 2004.10.07 11:49:00 -
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Originally by: Devineflid
so maybe the cruisers should get a "90% less powergrid and 60% less cpu on L (raceial) weapons" bonus, to allow for this?
comments please
That would certainly be a great idea for elite version of battlecruisers (same as covert ops-covert cloak pair). So the original idea of allowing L weapons on battlecruisers would be postponed to the birth of their elite versions... why not? :)
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jukriamrr
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Posted - 2004.10.07 11:49:00 -
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Originally by: Devineflid
so maybe the cruisers should get a "90% less powergrid and 60% less cpu on L (raceial) weapons" bonus, to allow for this?
comments please
That would certainly be a great idea for elite version of battlecruisers (same as covert ops-covert cloak pair). So the original idea of allowing L weapons on battlecruisers would be postponed to the birth of their elite versions... why not? :)
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Arleonenis
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Posted - 2004.10.07 11:57:00 -
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simply becouse large weapons isnt as powerfull to outdamage 2-3 medium guns, and with those tracking issue med guns could easily destroy cruisers and do massive dmg to bss...
and if we are in reality let one cruise missle destroy everything up to the cruiser as those missles are really pretty big and one hit from large guns should destroy same targets as those shells are really massive... this is real but this is game so dont do it
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Arleonenis
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Posted - 2004.10.07 11:57:00 -
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simply becouse large weapons isnt as powerfull to outdamage 2-3 medium guns, and with those tracking issue med guns could easily destroy cruisers and do massive dmg to bss...
and if we are in reality let one cruise missle destroy everything up to the cruiser as those missles are really pretty big and one hit from large guns should destroy same targets as those shells are really massive... this is real but this is game so dont do it
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