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Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative. 3970	Posted - 2012.05.28 06:46:00 - [1] - Quote Mistah Ewedynao wrote: Wow! That hurt OP. No mid slot shield help? You had a head full of shield implants and not even an Invul field or extender? But I do agree it's a sad commentary on the state of this game that CCP thinks suicide ganking is a viable form of PvP. It and the whole Goon sponsored mess ARE griefing IMO, no matter how CCP glosses over it. Not sure what you mean here - suicide ganking became "a viable form of PvP" the day CONCORD was introduced. CCP even explicitly say that it's intended, not an exploit, and so on. If you don't want PvP in hi-sec, fine, let's imagine that route where you have some kind of "PvP flag". Of course if it's a no-PvP flag, you won't be able to consume limited resources to the detriment of other players, so no mining. And of course you won't be able to buy limited goods on the markets as that would be competing for the goods, so NPC trade goods only. And of course you definitely won't be able to sell anything either, since that would be competing for the buyer's ISK. I guess that pretty much leaves you able to run agent missions. Oh wait, what's that you say? You want to be able to do all of those things, just not get shot at? Well that's not very fair now is it? In that case, I should be able to buy anything I want at NPC prices. I just want to be able to shoot people, not get wallet-ganked by merciless traders who are breaking the EULA by reducing my capacity to enjoy the game with their predatory market practices! Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players. Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative. 3970	Posted - 2012.05.28 06:50:00 - [2] - Quote DeMichael Crimson wrote: baltec1 wrote: If miners were going to quit they would have done it years ago and prices have in fact been dropping over the last few weeks. Years ago Suicide Ganking Industrial ships wasn't as prevalent in-game as it is now. Yes it was. It goes through cycles, during which a fresh new batch of players who until now assumed that EVE was just another hand-holding PvE MMO are educated, they wise up, ganking gets more difficult and less profitable, people turn to other ways to make their ISK, and so on until the cycle repeats. We go through this about every 9 months or so. DeMichael Crimson wrote: Also the majority of players who rage quit this game are Industrialists. That's an interesting assertion. Can I see the source of your data? Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players. Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative. 3972	Posted - 2012.05.28 09:47:00 - [3] - Quote ITT: people who resist with their uttermost might any suggestion that they stop thinking and acting like victims and who are then somehow shocked and appalled that they're victimised. Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players. Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative. 3989	Posted - 2012.05.29 10:52:00 - [4] - Quote Vaerah Vahrokha wrote: Either make modifications to the game so that we get 8500 Hulk AND 8500 Tengu / CNR killmails or else it's unfair risk vs reward. What "modifications" do you think are needed? Your averatge mission Tengu has about the same EHP as a tanked up Hulk, and costs 2-5 times as much. If you want to run a 'Tengugeddon' event then go for it - stepping up and organising it is the only "modification" that's required. Personally I think that would be great. LP prices have sunk dramatically lately and I could do with some competition removing. Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players. Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative. 3989	Posted - 2012.05.29 11:20:00 - [5] - Quote Vaerah Vahrokha wrote: Malcanis wrote: Vaerah Vahrokha wrote: Either make modifications to the game so that we get 8500 Hulk AND 8500 Tengu / CNR killmails or else it's unfair risk vs reward. What "modifications" do you think are needed? Your averatge mission Tengu has about the same EHP as a tanked up Hulk, and costs 2-5 times as much. If you want to run a 'Tengugeddon' event then go for it - stepping up and organising it is the only "modification" that's required. Personally I think that would be great. LP prices have sunk dramatically lately and I could do with some competition removing. Sadly I don't have the time to organize that. I could toss some sponsorship money though. Well I'm sure if you contact Helicity, he'll be at least willing to discuss the idea. Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players. Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative. 3989	Posted - 2012.05.29 11:24:00 - [6] - Quote Pak Narhoo wrote: baltec1 wrote: Ten Bulls wrote: RubyPorto wrote: Everyone makes tradeoffs. Miners have simply decided that 2x MLU Hulk is the baseline for mining in a Hulk and started making arguments from that false premise. The baseline for a Hulk is 0 MLUs. So 8500 ships blew up in Hulkageddon because of bad fits eh... nothing to do with the ships baseline attributes, its the fitting thats totally to blame. Try and be objective, you might find it enlightening. Out of 600 hulks and macs that we killed in the caladri ice interdiction not a single one was tanked. So I fully belive that 99% of killed miners have little to no tank fitted. And if they do you bring in more guns. In the end the miner always loses. Damb those filthy gankers, always adapting like they think they're somebody Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players. Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/

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