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mooN 4PIE	Posted - 2009.08.13 16:20:00 - [1] What's the best battleship for PVE for a begginer ? I'm just getting near the 5m SP mark and want to go for a battleship. I'm leaning towards an Apocalypse as it is middle priced and has no cap issues.

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Tobias Sjodin Ore Mongers BricK sQuAD.	Posted - 2009.08.13 16:25:00 - [3] Originally by: mooN 4PIE What's the best battleship for PVE for a begginer ? I'm just getting near the 5m SP mark and want to go for a battleship. I'm leaning towards an Apocalypse as it is middle priced and has no cap issues. Wrong section, but your thought is right on.
SuiJuris	Posted - 2009.08.13 16:30:00 - [4] Originally by: mooN 4PIE What's the best battleship for PVE for a begginer ? I'm just getting near the 5m SP mark and want to go for a battleship. I'm leaning towards an Apocalypse as it is middle priced and has no cap issues. For low SP players the APOC is hands down the best. Once you start getting tech 2 large pulses and BS 5 and perfect cap skills the Abaddon starts to shine, Once you have all that and near perfect drone skills the Geddon can give them a run for there money. --- It's like my mom always said... "I knew I should of drowned that one."
Sader Rykane Amarr Midnight Sentinels Midnight Space Syndicate	Posted - 2009.08.13 16:38:00 - [5] Abaddon: Better gank, better tank. And despite what people say, you can fly it fine with lower SP. Hell, I started running missions with N-Type Hardeners and BS 3 for over a month. Only had around 5 mil SP. Sig Gallery is currently down: Contact me ingame for prices.
mooN 4PIE	Posted - 2009.08.13 16:51:00 - [6] I see... but what if i train to fly a Raven as i heard it's the best ship for PVE. Is it worth the time ? Is it that much better than an Apocalypse ?
SuiJuris	Posted - 2009.08.13 16:51:00 - [7] Originally by: Sader Rykane Abaddon: Better gank, better tank. And despite what people say, you can fly it fine with lower SP. Hell, I started running missions with N-Type Hardeners and BS 3 for over a month. Only had around 5 mil SP. The Abaddon does not sport a better permatank then a Apoc, Apoc with 2x Aux nano Pumps and 1x CCC tanks Far more perma then a abaddon. Since he is low sp he most likely will not be putting out enough DPS to gank tank 850+ so a cap booster setup isn't really feasible. I'm glad you were able to manage it in your Abaddon but I promise you its easier in a triple Heatsinked Apoc. --- It's like my mom always said... "I knew I should of drowned that one."
SuiJuris	Posted - 2009.08.13 16:53:00 - [8] Originally by: mooN 4PIE I see... but what if i train to fly a Raven as i heard it's the best ship for PVE. Is it worth the time ? Is it that much better than an Apocalypse ? Raven is easier to run missions in when first starting out, but the DPS will ALWAYS be low, tops out at like 600 I think, where as a abaddon and geddon can do 1k+ once you get the skills for it. --- It's like my mom always said... "I knew I should of drowned that one."
soldieroffortune 258 Gallente Trinity Council	Posted - 2009.08.13 17:11:00 - [9] Originally by: mooN 4PIE What's the best battleship for PVE for a begginer ? I'm just getting near the 5m SP mark and want to go for a battleship. I'm leaning towards an Apocalypse as it is middle priced and has no cap issues. You are leaning in the right direction, as the Apocaylpyse is the most awesomest looking Amarr Ship, period. Please re-size your signature to a maximum of 400 x 120 with the file size not exceeding 24000 bytes.Applebabe
Artemis Rose Sileo In Pacis The Space P0lice	Posted - 2009.08.13 17:20:00 - [10] As long as you have very good cap skills (Controlled Burst IV, Energy Systems Operations V and Energy Mgmt IV at the minium) I'd take the Abaddon. More gank and more tank. A fit like this should do the trick 8x Mega Modulated Beam 4x Cap Recharger II 1x LAR 3x Resists (2x Primary 1x Secondary NPC damages) 2x Heat Sink 1x Cap Power Relay 3x CCC With higher damage ammo, you can't permatak, but the tank should be enough as long as you rep only when you need it. However, as you start to get BS V and T2 Turrets, I'd pick a Megapulse Apoc with three heat sinks. *** Currently Playing: Trolls from Outer Space Current Equipment: VISAcard chain mail, +2 Amulet of Epic Whine, Self Banstick +2 WTB: +666 E-peen killboard stats

Amitious Turkey Gallente TarNec New Eden Retail Federation	Posted - 2009.08.13 18:15:00 - [11] Originally by: soldieroffortune 258 Originally by: mooN 4PIE What's the best battleship for PVE for a begginer ? I'm just getting near the 5m SP mark and want to go for a battleship. I'm leaning towards an Apocalypse as it is middle priced and has no cap issues. You are leaning in the right direction, as the Apocaylpyse is the most awesomest looking Amarr Ship, period. "A twinkie with two bites out of it" "The lazor banana"... My sig was fail, but now it isn't. Originally by: CCP Navigator We love you all as well <3 GO NAVIGATOR <3
Haradgrim Tyrell Corp Fuzzy Nut Attack Squirrels	Posted - 2009.08.13 18:49:00 - [12] Drone Skills > Gun Skills = 'Geddon Gun Skills > Dron Skills = Apoc' -- Originally by: CCP Oveur Just donæt forget the reach-around.
Carniflex Caldari Fallout Research Fallout Project	Posted - 2009.08.13 20:47:00 - [13] Originally by: SuiJuris Originally by: mooN 4PIE I see... but what if i train to fly a Raven as i heard it's the best ship for PVE. Is it worth the time ? Is it that much better than an Apocalypse ? Raven is easier to run missions in when first starting out, but the DPS will ALWAYS be low, tops out at like 600 I think, where as a abaddon and geddon can do 1k+ once you get the skills for it. If you compare pulse lasers to missiles then "correct" short range battleship size missile system is torpedoes. With torpedoes your dps is also in the 1k dps ballpark. They just need skills for them to be any use. So Raven dps will not be always low. However main advantage of Ravenkind is that when you get ritcher you can throw isk at and it actually will get better bcos of it, while in case of armor tankers options for PvE shiny stuff is somewhat more limited. That out of the way, for starting missionrunner - if you decide to go Amarr ship route Apocalypse would be the most reasonable solution.
Zeba Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company	Posted - 2009.08.13 21:39:00 - [14] I would say start out with a raven as it doesn't take any level 5 skills past a few basic fitting skills to run any level 4 mission you want in a reasonable amount of time. As you plug away at the level 4 missions and build up your isk reserves then start the amarr skill tree and eventually get yourself into a nightmare. Originally by: Zaqar Anyway, you don't have to be Einstein to play Eve - a quick glance over the forums will tell you that -
Sader Rykane Amarr Midnight Sentinels Midnight Space Syndicate	Posted - 2009.08.13 22:23:00 - [15] Originally by: SuiJuris Originally by: Sader Rykane Abaddon: Better gank, better tank. And despite what people say, you can fly it fine with lower SP. Hell, I started running missions with N-Type Hardeners and BS 3 for over a month. Only had around 5 mil SP. The Abaddon does not sport a better permatank then a Apoc, Apoc with 2x Aux nano Pumps and 1x CCC tanks Far more perma then a abaddon. Since he is low sp he most likely will not be putting out enough DPS to gank tank 850+ so a cap booster setup isn't really feasible. I'm glad you were able to manage it in your Abaddon but I promise you its easier in a triple Heatsinked Apoc. I'de rather use a double heat sink Abaddon if you don't mind =D Sig Gallery is currently down: Contact me ingame for prices.
Johan Sabbat R.E.C.O.N. Minor Threat.	Posted - 2009.08.13 23:29:00 - [16] Originally by: mooN 4PIE I see... but what if i train to fly a Raven as i heard it's the best ship for PVE. Is it worth the time ? Is it that much better than an Apocalypse ? The Raven is a good bird, better still is the CNR (Raven Navy Issue/Caldari Navy Raven) with it's 7th launcher hardpoint and extra tank. If you already have Amarr BS, lazors and medium drone then cross training Caldari BS will give you the amazing (if costly) Nightmare...
Kravick Drasani	Posted - 2009.08.14 03:14:00 - [17] [Abaddon, Beam] Large Armor Repairer II <--- 'Accomodation' works too. Armor EM Hardener II <--- N-Type works just fine. Armor EM Hardener II Armor Thermic Hardener II Capacitor Power Relay II Heat Sink II Heat Sink II Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II Mega Modulated Energy Beam I, Multifrequency L <--- I can't use T2 yet. Mega Modulated Energy Beam I, Multifrequency L Mega Modulated Energy Beam I, Multifrequency L Mega Modulated Energy Beam I, Multifrequency L Mega Modulated Energy Beam I, Multifrequency L Mega Modulated Energy Beam I, Multifrequency L Mega Modulated Energy Beam I, Multifrequency L Mega Modulated Energy Beam I, Multifrequency L Capacitor Control Circuit I Capacitor Control Circuit I Capacitor Control Circuit I Hammerhead II x5 Hobgoblin II x5 --- [Apocalypse, Pulse] Large Armor Repairer II Armor EM Hardener II Armor EM Hardener II Armor Thermic Hardener II Heat Sink II Heat Sink II Heat Sink II 100MN Afterburner I Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II Mega Modulated Pulse Energy Beam I, Multifrequency L Mega Modulated Pulse Energy Beam I, Multifrequency L Mega Modulated Pulse Energy Beam I, Multifrequency L Mega Modulated Pulse Energy Beam I, Multifrequency L Mega Modulated Pulse Energy Beam I, Multifrequency L Mega Modulated Pulse Energy Beam I, Multifrequency L Mega Modulated Pulse Energy Beam I, Multifrequency L Mega Modulated Pulse Energy Beam I, Multifrequency L Capacitor Control Circuit I Capacitor Control Circuit I [empty rig slot] <--- Couple options. Ancillary Current Router I is required to use beams with 3 Heat Sinks. Or swap one Heat Sink for any low power slot that gives 3% powergrid. Ignore or do whatever if you wish to use pulse. Hammerhead II x5 Hobgoblin II x5 Two perfectly viable setups. One thing to note about the Abaddon, however. Its a cap hungry beast and you need at MINIMUM all capacitor support skills to IV. The Abaddon is also slower and you will be hard pressed to fit an AB on it without gimping your cap no matter what you do. The Abaddon is more tanky and ganky, but the Apoc will outlast the Abaddon tank and cap wise in longer missions. Basically the entire objective in the Abaddon is to kill everything before it runs out of cap. Not easy to do with low skills. I would honestly suggest going with the Apoc if you don't have most of your capacitor skills at 5. Yes, it is possible to use an Abaddon with less but it most likely will require a few warp outs to allow your capacitor to recharge. - How to kill interceptors: Zip down your fly and release. After about 10 orbits your stream just might hit him. Or a multi webbed Rapier should slow him down enough that you can drop #2 on him.


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