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Tor Gungnir Agenda Industries 112	Posted - 2012.05.29 09:06:00 - [1] - Quote Alright so here's the deal: I've recently gotten my hands on a Tornado dirty cheap (I would make money should it explode). I'm currently working on my Large Projectile Turrets skill. The plan is to probably get into a Vargur/Mach, with a standard Minmatar Battleship to bridge the gap. At one point my Large Turret Skill will probably best my Medium Turret, so I figured I might take the Tornado for a spin for Lv3 missions (can't do Lv4's yet, need to grind a whole new Corp as my current one doesn't have Lv4 agents...apparently). Anybody got a plausible fit? As long as you use your speed to make the little ships come at you at a straight line you ought to be able to pop them... no? Gallente is what America believes itself to be. Caldari is how America is in reality.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 7456	Posted - 2012.05.29 09:10:00 - [2] - Quote The Tornado, like all the R3 BCs, is superbly unsuited for missions. Sell it and buy a Hurricane instead. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ Shift-click does nothing GÇö why the Unified Inventory isn't ready for primetime.
Tor Gungnir Agenda Industries 112	Posted - 2012.05.29 09:12:00 - [3] - Quote Got a Hurricane, but it is not as hot as my Tornado. Plus, as mentioned my Large Turret skill will soon beat my Medium Turret skill. Gallente is what America believes itself to be. Caldari is how America is in reality.
Gorki Andropov Kerensky Initiatives 906	Posted - 2012.05.29 09:16:00 - [4] - Quote Fit guns, fit tank, fit speed mod. Not that hard for you to try yourself, really.
Tor Gungnir Agenda Industries 112	Posted - 2012.05.29 09:17:00 - [5] - Quote Gorki Andropov wrote: Fit guns, fit tank, fit speed mod. Not that hard for you to try yourself, really. Real useful post there, mate. Gallente is what America believes itself to be. Caldari is how America is in reality.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 7456	Posted - 2012.05.29 09:31:00 - [6] - Quote Tor Gungnir wrote: Got a Hurricane, but it is not as hot as my Tornado. Plus, as mentioned my Large Turret skill will soon beat my Medium Turret skill. It's hotter than a Tornado for doing missions, that's for sure GÇö with or without large turret skills. The tier-3 BCs are meant to shoot battleships and explode if something shoots back (and deal poorly with frigates); L3 missions involve things shooting back and no battleships (but lots of frigates). GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ Shift-click does nothing GÇö why the Unified Inventory isn't ready for primetime.
Tor Gungnir Agenda Industries 112	Posted - 2012.05.29 09:38:00 - [7] - Quote What if you use the Dual Auto-cannons? For Large Turrets, they have respectable tracking. And you most likely would only need one or two hits to decimate a Frigate? Gallente is what America believes itself to be. Caldari is how America is in reality.
Aedan Vals FREE GATES HUN Reloaded 0	Posted - 2012.05.29 09:41:00 - [8] - Quote Tor Gungnir wrote: Plus, as mentioned my Large Turret skill will soon beat my Medium Turret skill. Turret skills build on each other, so if you want to use T2 large projectile turrets you must learn the T2 medium ones with specialization lvl4. So the only way you can actually have better large gun skills than medium is that you learn the large spec to lvl5 which takes as long as a lvl5 battleship skill so not likely you will train it soon. edit: listen to others, the hurri just simply better especially to lvl3s where the medium guns are better
Tor Gungnir Agenda Industries 112	Posted - 2012.05.29 09:44:00 - [9] - Quote Really? Good thing my Small Turret skill is the best of the bunch then, as I assume I need them for Medium Specialization? Gallente is what America believes itself to be. Caldari is how America is in reality.
HeWhoLikesGuns SmokingGuns Corp 0	Posted - 2012.05.29 09:45:00 - [10] - Quote ive not seen a l3 for quite some time, but no drones on the tornado means no flying alone. it is surely possible to avoid the tacklers for a while but sooner or later you will die. i also predict it to be a pain in the ass to fly because constantly having to keep your distance also means less dmg on an autocannon fit. but for the missions where you can warp in at range and snipe everything (arty fit) it possibly is a good choice.
Crellion Parental Control 22	Posted - 2012.05.29 09:45:00 - [11] - Quote Tor Gungnir wrote: What if you use the Dual Auto-cannons? For Large Turrets, they have respectable tracking. And you most likely would only need one or two hits to decimate a Frigate? There is no sane fit that will work well. If you must use it then you will have to conjure a half arsed armor tank (still good enough for lvl3s) to have all those mids free for webs(2) and painters(2) to allow your autocannons to track close orbitting frigs reliably. At which point I fear you might prefer a Hurricane as previously suggested. If the Nado had 5 light drones like the Talon does it would be a different ball game as you would be fitting passive shiled tank damage mods and enhancers to make a killer missioner relying on the drones to do the npc inties in. Alternatively (and you ll thank me for this) sell the Nado and buy a Cane or a Phoon. The latter has lots of drones and missles and your beloved L projectiles if you must have them.
Gorki Andropov Kerensky Initiatives 907	Posted - 2012.05.29 10:02:00 - [12] - Quote Tor Gungnir wrote: Gorki Andropov wrote: Fit guns, fit tank, fit speed mod. Not that hard for you to try yourself, really. Real useful post there, mate. You expect us to do your work for you? Get out e: If you'd at least suggested a fit in your OP, that would've gone down a lot better; as it stands, it just looks like you wanted to be spoonfed.
Alberik Eusebius Corporation 6	Posted - 2012.05.29 10:10:00 - [13] - Quote I was flying some L4 with an oracle lately, so i see no point it should not be possible to do the same with a tornado. of course there are some drawbacks, you can only do missions where you can control the range, warping in to close to tacklers or spider drones will ruin your day. also a 1400mm-tornado doesnt do as much dps as a tachyon-oracle but as you will be shooting small targets you guns will overkill most of the time so not really a problem here [Oracle, Sniper] Heat Sink II Heat Sink II Heat Sink II Tracking Enhancer II Tracking Enhancer II Tracking Enhancer II Experimental 10MN MicroWarpdrive I Sensor Booster II, Targeting Range Script Sensor Booster II, Targeting Range Script Tachyon Beam Laser II, Multifrequency L Tachyon Beam Laser II, Multifrequency L Tachyon Beam Laser II, Multifrequency L Tachyon Beam Laser II, Multifrequency L Tachyon Beam Laser II, Multifrequency L Tachyon Beam Laser II, Multifrequency L Tachyon Beam Laser II, Multifrequency L Tachyon Beam Laser II, Multifrequency L Medium Auxiliary Thrusters I Medium Polycarbon Engine Housing I Medium Polycarbon Engine Housing I a similar fitting for a tornado would be something like this, but i have only tried with the oracle [Tornado, Sniper] Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Tracking Enhancer II Sensor Booster II, Targeting Range Script Sensor Booster II, Targeting Range Script Tracking Computer II Tracking Computer II Experimental 10MN MicroWarpdrive I 1200mm Artillery Cannon II, EMP L 1200mm Artillery Cannon II, EMP L 1200mm Artillery Cannon II, EMP L 1200mm Artillery Cannon II, EMP L 1200mm Artillery Cannon II, EMP L 1200mm Artillery Cannon II, EMP L 1200mm Artillery Cannon II, EMP L 1200mm Artillery Cannon II, EMP L Medium Polycarbon Engine Housing I Medium Polycarbon Engine Housing I Medium Auxiliary Thrusters I pro tornado is speed, better falloff, better cap stability pro oracle is damage, better optimal, no ammo consumption (except faction/t2) as i said above, you cant do every mission with it - if you dont know what you are facing, dont do it with such ships.
Tor Gungnir Agenda Industries 112	Posted - 2012.05.29 10:25:00 - [14] - Quote Gorki Andropov wrote: Tor Gungnir wrote: Gorki Andropov wrote: Fit guns, fit tank, fit speed mod. Not that hard for you to try yourself, really. Real useful post there, mate. You expect us to do your work for you? Get out e: If you'd at least suggested a fit in your OP, that would've gone down a lot better; as it stands, it just looks like you wanted to be spoonfed. What are you even doing in the Ship & Modules sub-forum, dickwad? Requesting fits is commonplace here. Gallente is what America believes itself to be. Caldari is how America is in reality.
Tub Chil Heretic University Heretic Nation 22	Posted - 2012.05.29 10:46:00 - [15] - Quote It will be pain in the ass to shoot frigates, especially when you have low/average turret skills (I assume you have) so yeah, go for a cane
Tor Gungnir Agenda Industries 112	Posted - 2012.05.29 10:50:00 - [16] - Quote Tub Chil wrote: It will be pain in the ass to shoot frigates, especially when you have low/average turret skills (I assume you have) so yeah, go for a cane The support Gunnery skills are pretty good actually. Since they apply to all Turrets, I decided to train them first. It is the main Medium and Large Turret skills that are somewhat lackluster. Gallente is what America believes itself to be. Caldari is how America is in reality.
Marc Callan Interstellar Steel Templis Dragonaors 2	Posted - 2012.05.29 11:26:00 - [17] - Quote If you're going to take a Tornado into a L3 mission space, bring escorts in frigates and cruisers. Seriously. One rat frigate webbing and/or scramming you will ruin your day, and even with the smallest autocannons and lots of tracking boosts, it's too easy for the rats to get under your guns if you get a close-range spawn. Never forget that you're basically flying a high-speed beer can. Okay, it's a beer can with a Maelstrom's broadside, so you can one-shot a rat battlecruiser if you've got the proper firing geometry and the right weapons, but god help you when those smaller ships get to close range.
Tor Gungnir Agenda Industries 112	Posted - 2012.05.29 11:51:00 - [18] - Quote Marc Callan wrote: If you're going to take a Tornado into a L3 mission space, bring escorts in frigates and cruisers. Seriously. One rat frigate webbing and/or scramming you will ruin your day, and even with the smallest autocannons and lots of tracking boosts, it's too easy for the rats to get under your guns if you get a close-range spawn. Never forget that you're basically flying a high-speed beer can. Okay, it's a beer can with a Maelstrom's broadside, so you can one-shot a rat battlecruiser if you've got the proper firing geometry and the right weapons, but god help you when those smaller ships get to close range. I never ever do missions without looking 'em up on EVE-survival these days. They usually mention web/scrambles so you can take 'em out right quick. Gallente is what America believes itself to be. Caldari is how America is in reality.
Gibbo3771 AQUILA INC Verge of Collapse 105	Posted - 2012.05.29 12:02:00 - [19] - Quote Tor Gungnir wrote: Got a Hurricane, but it is not as hot as my Tornado. Plus, as mentioned my Large Turret skill will soon beat my Medium Turret skill. Large Projectile Turret 4 does not mean it is more useful than Medium Projectile Turret 3 mate. You have much more to learn Everytime you dont like my comments/posts the terrorists win and your a disgrace to your country.
Tor Gungnir Agenda Industries 112	Posted - 2012.05.29 12:11:00 - [20] - Quote Gibbo3771 wrote: Tor Gungnir wrote: Got a Hurricane, but it is not as hot as my Tornado. Plus, as mentioned my Large Turret skill will soon beat my Medium Turret skill. Large Projectile Turret 4 does not mean it is more useful than Medium Projectile Turret 3 mate. You have much more to learn Since my intentions are to move on up to a Battleship, I'd say it is more useful. Of course, I mean that in this scenario only, not in general. Gallente is what America believes itself to be. Caldari is how America is in reality.
Daniel Plain Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 138	Posted - 2012.05.29 12:12:00 - [21] - Quote i once tried to get the tornado to work with one medium or small gun. iirc the best case scenario was that you would deal ~40dps to obiting figates which is half as much as a set of light drones. i never tried it myself though so feel free to go for it.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 7461	Posted - 2012.05.29 12:16:00 - [22] - Quote Tor Gungnir wrote: Since my intentions are to move on up to a Battleship, I'd say it is more useful. Of course, I mean that in this scenario only, not in general. In this scenario GÇö running L3s GÇö Medium Projectile III will indeed be more useful than Large Projectile IV. Battleships (and their weapons) are not particularly useful for lower-level missions. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ Shift-click does nothing GÇö why the Unified Inventory isn't ready for primetime.
Tor Gungnir Agenda Industries 112	Posted - 2012.05.29 12:20:00 - [23] - Quote Daniel Plain wrote: i once tried to get the tornado to work with one medium or small gun. iirc the best case scenario was that you would deal ~40dps to obiting figates which is half as much as a set of light drones. i never tried it myself though so feel free to go for it. Err. Wouldn't dream of it. Unless you have bonuses to Drones, I wouldn't fit any ship with Turrets it doesn't get bonuses for... Gallente is what America believes itself to be. Caldari is how America is in reality.
Daniel Plain Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 139	Posted - 2012.05.29 12:29:00 - [24] - Quote Tor Gungnir wrote: Daniel Plain wrote: i once tried to get the tornado to work with one medium or small gun. iirc the best case scenario was that you would deal ~40dps to obiting figates which is half as much as a set of light drones. i never tried it myself though so feel free to go for it. Err. Wouldn't dream of it. Unless you have bonuses to Drones, I wouldn't fit any ship with Turrets it doesn't get bonuses for... ...unless you desperately wanted the ship to work in a situation it is not really suited for. see it like this: you sacrifice ~15% of the tornado's overabundant dps for the safety of being able to warp out at any given time.
Tor Gungnir Agenda Industries 112	Posted - 2012.05.29 12:32:00 - [25] - Quote Daniel Plain wrote: Tor Gungnir wrote: Daniel Plain wrote: i once tried to get the tornado to work with one medium or small gun. iirc the best case scenario was that you would deal ~40dps to obiting figates which is half as much as a set of light drones. i never tried it myself though so feel free to go for it. Err. Wouldn't dream of it. Unless you have bonuses to Drones, I wouldn't fit any ship with Turrets it doesn't get bonuses for... ...unless you desperately wanted the ship to work in a situation it is not really suited for. see it like this: you sacrifice ~15% of the tornado's overabundant dps for the safety of being able to warp out at any given time. You also lose a lot of range from losing the Optimal bonus+using smaller guns. Also, why wouldn't Large Turrets work if you use the ones with the best tracking? From my experience you can just use "Keep at Range" on a blob of NPC ships and they will follow you in a nice orderly line, allowing you to hit them easily. The Tornado has enough speed for that to happen...? Gallente is what America believes itself to be. Caldari is how America is in reality.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 7461	Posted - 2012.05.29 12:41:00 - [26] - Quote Tor Gungnir wrote: Also, why wouldn't Large Turrets work if you use the ones with the best tracking? Because GÇ£bestGÇ¥ doesn't equate to GÇ£an order of magnitude betterGÇ¥, which is what you want if you want to deal with small ships effectively with large weapons. You can kind of make them passable, but you have to sacrifice so much in doing so that you end up with a ship that's horribly inferior to pretty much all available alternatives. This isn't a game where bigger is better. The best matched is better. The best match for small and medium targets is light drones and medium guns. The Tornado has neither. The best match for missions is a decent sustained tank. The Tornado doesn't have that either. Being able to fly a Tornado means you're already able to fly a vastly more suitable ship with vastly more suitable equipment. The R3 BCs are not suitable for L3s (or L4s for that matter); the R2 BCs are. You can fly an R3 because think it's fun, but it will never be good at it. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ Shift-click does nothing GÇö why the Unified Inventory isn't ready for primetime.
Tor Gungnir Agenda Industries 112	Posted - 2012.05.29 12:45:00 - [27] - Quote No tank? People claim to be able to fly Lv3s in Cruisers effectively. The Tornado is essentially a Cruiser hull with Battleship weapons, innit? Gallente is what America believes itself to be. Caldari is how America is in reality.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 7465	Posted - 2012.05.29 13:15:00 - [28] - Quote Tor Gungnir wrote: No tank? People claim to be able to fly Lv3s in Cruisers effectively. The Tornado is essentially a Cruiser hull with Battleship weapons, innit? Yes, but to make those battleship weapons work against much smaller targets, you have to sacrifice that tank to speed up the weapons (or slow down the enemies), so you start out on the wrong foot by bringing the wrong tools for the job. GÇªnot to mention that the cruisers in question will either have tanking bonuses or will have some other nifty trick up their sleeve that lets them project a bigger tank without sacrificing damage output. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ Shift-click does nothing GÇö why the Unified Inventory isn't ready for primetime.
Seishi Maru doMAL S.A. 15	Posted - 2012.05.29 13:38:00 - [29] - Quote Lets be CLEAR> you WILL LOOSE tornados in level3. You will not loose hurricanes unless you make somethign very very stupid. Simple as that! You wil get tackled on several level 3 missiosn where firgates spanw ad 4 km from you and tornado can do NOTHING against them! No ammount of believing of wishful thinking will change that. Now.. if you want to losoe shipos.. please disregards all our correct suggestions.. and go do the not very smart thing.
Izziee University of Izziee 52	Posted - 2012.05.29 17:10:00 - [30] - Quote Tor Gungnir wrote: Got a Hurricane, but it is not as hot as my Tornado. Plus, as mentioned my Large Turret skill will soon beat my Medium Turret skill. You have so much to learn. Bigger does NOT equal better, and in fact by doing level 3's the only thing large turrets will do is slow you down to a grinding halt. L3's = close spawns Small ships fast ships Enough damage to break a small tank Guess what large guns fail with? Guess what ship has a small tank? Large guns will be able to deal with smaller ships, especially projectiles, but not at close range. My maelstrom is over 1000 DPS, yet I wouldn't take it to a level 3 (sure, would tank it more than fine) I'd take, yup, you guessed it, a hurricane.

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