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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2011.09.18 03:47:00 -
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Raid'En wrote:strange, before Akita T would have been the one to explain why this make no sense
It makes sense in context.
Namely, for me (and people in a similar situation) and for this particular situation.
As already re-explained a few posts earlier 
When you have so much ISK you can't even fully leverage it (just look at all that unused ISK in my wallet), and when you refuse to try to sell it for cash (because it's against the EULA), a sizable portion of that ISK has very little (or almost no) value for you.
P.S. I have not purchased even a single NEX item yet, neither from the store itself nor with ISK from the market - the current NEX items hold even less value for me than the nearly negligible-value, unused, idle ISK in my wallet, so I'd rather hold on to the ISK instead.
But as soon as something nice shows up in the NEX, you can bet I'll be all over it. It just hasn't happened yet.
http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Contributor_name:Akita_T#Contributions_link_collection |
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Industrial Complex
Cosmic Consortium
69
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Posted - 2011.09.18 05:28:00 -
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Yadira Kerr wrote:If it WERE bling then your statement would hold but so far I've seen nothing I'd want to have. Being exclusive comes from quality and quality, most of the time, comes at a steep price. Just being expensive isn't quality or bling, that's nothing more than silly.
There are plenty of folks in my town who drive the most hideously ugly 4x4 trucks available, not because they need 4x4 trucks, not because they think that truck looks nice, but simply because that 4x4 truck is hideously expensive and everyone knows it. That is the kind of bling I'm talking about: ostentation and conspicuous consumption.
Now if anything in the NeX was actually attractive, I'd be one of the folks wishing that NeX items were just a little cheaper. I'm never going to be one of the folks claiming that the items are stupidly priced. While they're not game-affecting, I'll watch people going past with NeX items thinking, "wow, I wish I had that much ISK to throw around."
When I use the word "bling" I mean "symbols of wealth which I adorn myself with to make you jealous." I certainly don't mean "jewellery" or "fine clothing" otherwise I would have used the words "jewellery" or "fine clothing". |
Alxea
U-208
Bacon Fortress Gaming Syndicate
27
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Posted - 2011.09.18 07:57:00 -
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You pay for eve?! O_o I don't, I play for free because other people pay my sub because I use plex. XD |
Rodj Blake
PIE Inc.
234
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Posted - 2011.09.18 08:18:00 -
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quickshot89 wrote:Archy Mayaki wrote:I always though that NEX stuff could be acquired through PLEX / in-game currency. It can, people just dont seem to understand this concept.
And other people don't understand that somebody somewhere is still paying for it.
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori. |
Sir Substance
Suddenly Ninjas
Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
17
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Posted - 2011.09.18 09:18:00 -
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Akita T wrote:Cyprus Black wrote:Things that cost less than CCP's Micro Transactions Well, let's see... I can't sell ISK for cash (not without risking a ban), but I can buy AUR with it (indirectly), and I have craploads of ISK. So... CCP's MTs cost me... a whooping ZERO. Not much else is that cheap.
I'd like to hire you, at the amount per hour you clearly value your time at, to sort my rice grains by size. |
Khul Drukath
Maelstrom Crew
2
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Posted - 2011.09.18 10:07:00 -
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All the people who are saying it is free are missing the point. It may be free to you in terms of an ISK / NEX conversion, but as pointed out above the NEX items can only come into existence through the destruction of AUR, and AUR can only come into existence through the destruction of PLEX, and PLEX can only come into existence through the use of real money. Therefore that NEX item cost someone, somewhere, real life cash.
What that means is that CCP have made a NEX sale for RL cash. It doesn't matter what happens to the NEX item after it has been created, because it is the act of creation that costs real money. So the list is entirely valid.
And to answer the OP, from a recent experience I had, a new PSU :( |
Kerppe Krulli
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
34
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Posted - 2011.09.18 12:02:00 -
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Khul Drukath wrote:All the people who are saying it is free are missing the point. It may be free to you in terms of an ISK / NEX conversion, but as pointed out above the NEX items can only come into existence through the destruction of AUR, and AUR can only come into existence through the destruction of PLEX, and PLEX can only come into existence through the use of real money. Therefore that NEX item cost someone, somewhere, real life cash.
What that means is that CCP have made a NEX sale for RL cash. It doesn't matter what happens to the NEX item after it has been created, because it is the act of creation that costs real money. So the list is entirely valid.
And to answer the OP, from a recent experience I had, a new PSU :(
This is why CCP did it this way. It is uncontested that the EVE population is dying and tapering offer and therefore less people will use PLEX for their sub. So how do you keep your PLEX revenue going? You create AUR which forces players to again buy PLEX to makeup for the missing subs and now they created both an "isk hole" while maintaining their dependency on PLEX sales despite the failing population.
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Christine Peeveepeeski
Rodents of Unusual Size
17
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Posted - 2011.09.18 12:19:00 -
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If you want to grind that axe just that little bit more then sure, nex items are evil and worth a lot of real money.
Could some of you perhaps apply a bit of logic though please. You REALLY think that CCP would place an item worth more than my monthly mobile phone bill in the nex store without actually targeting it at the obscenely space ISK rich? Are you really that obtuse you want to believe CCP are that a) stupid and b) money grabbing.
It's like CCP are suddenly comedy Disney villains twirling their moustaches and stroking their James Bond villain cats.
The mistake was not launching the nex store when people could interact. People buy bling... look at guildwars. A game where getting max level **** and characters took a day. Yet people spent ridiculous amount of plat for bling items only. Which was also RMT'd like any other game as well as grinded for using in game hours grinding.
The nex items are aimed soley at those with ISK to burn and the reason aurum even exists is because you HAVE to buy a plex to do it. This way you don't just buy a **** tonne of BOT isk from an RMT seller and buy your shizzle without CCP getting something back.
Sigh, I don't even know why I'm posting this. those that agree will say +1 to the billions of posts like it and those that don't will trolololol because they aren't going to change no matter what is written.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
330
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Posted - 2011.09.18 15:18:00 -
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Sir Substance wrote:I'd like to hire you, at the amount per hour you clearly value your time at, to sort my rice grains by size.
So, you mean, you want to hire me to sort rice grains by size for 2 bil ISK/hour ? I'd gladly take that deal if that would be allowed by the EULA. Barring that, ok, I'll do that for, oh, say, 60$/hour (pretty hefty discount right there). Do we have a deal ? You still want to hire me to sort your rice grains ? No ? Why not ?
Some people earn ISK with extremely little effort, and already have more than they would ever realistically know what to do with and it's just sitting there ? Let me put it another way : I have so much ISK that making ONLY modest amounts of additional ISK has ceased being worth ANY of my time, and would probably not be very bothered if I bought a supercarrier and corresponding pilot and lost it the very next day.
See, that's the funny part - ISK might be worth the same amount of ISK to everybody (duh, talk about stating the obvious) and even a similar amount of RL cash (not quite but close due to USD/EUR thing -- and only risk-free one way, reverse at far worse exchange rate and with high risk of obliteration), but it's NOT worth the same amount of TIME from person to person.
http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Contributor_name:Akita_T#Contributions_link_collection |
Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
330
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Posted - 2011.09.18 15:27:00 -
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Khul Drukath wrote:All the people who are saying it is free are missing the point. It may be free to you in terms of an ISK / NEX conversion, but as pointed out above the NEX items can only come into existence through the destruction of AUR, and AUR can only come into existence through the destruction of PLEX, and PLEX can only come into existence through the use of real money. Therefore that NEX item cost someone, somewhere, real life cash.
Nobody is contesting that part.
Quote:What that means is that CCP have made a NEX sale for RL cash. It doesn't matter what happens to the NEX item after it has been created, because it is the act of creation that costs real money. So the list is entirely valid.
Ah, see, this is where you go too fast and miss the important part.
Yes, INDIRECTLY, somebody had to pay some RL cash at some time in order to enable a NEX item to be created now.
Keyword, indirectly. You DO NOT pay cash and the item materializes.
You pay cash, some specific intermediary item with other possible uses materializes, then you have to choose to convert that item into a different currency, THEN and only then can a new NEX item be created.
You'd be tempted to say that it's the same thing, that there's really no difference.
But you'd be wrong.
Know what ELSE you have to indirectly pay cash to CCP in order to create in EVE ?
ALMOST EVERYTHING ELSE TOO.
Barring stuff created by trial accounts, somebody has to pay CCP real-life money in order to keep the account active (and more money to keep more accounts active) in order to generate everything else that exists in the game, by engaging in gameplay activities.
The only real difference is that for one the "cash vs in-game-item" exchange rate is fixed (NEX), while the other one is variable depending on average player skill at obtaining said item in a certain amount of time.
http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Contributor_name:Akita_T#Contributions_link_collection |
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Lithalnas
Privateers
Privateer Alliance
1
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Posted - 2011.09.18 15:43:00 -
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I would say most everything on steam is cheaper than a Monocle. That being said did you see the sale of petrodox stuff, 87% off! |
Fawcks
Avoid and Evade
Epsilon Shimmy Alliance
57
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Posted - 2011.09.18 15:45:00 -
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Maxpie wrote:Archy Mayaki wrote:I always though that NEX stuff could be acquired through PLEX / in-game currency. We can do the list that way too: A fully fitted battleship A pos and so on... Sure, a battleship with thousands of crew and a pair of pants cost the same, makes tons of sense. Do the crew have their own pants? Can I confiscate them and sell them?
FUUUUUUU-
Economy is now broken. |
Rocky Deadshot
In The Goo
EVE Trade Alliance
5
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Posted - 2011.09.18 15:45:00 -
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Minecraft! |
Qin Shi Huang
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.09.18 15:49:00 -
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A four course dinner, three prostitues and a cab home to the hotel in Beograd |
Skorpynekomimi
E.A.D Alliance
Omega Vector
0
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Posted - 2011.09.18 16:53:00 -
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A week's grocery shopping.
Filling the car with fuel from empty is about half a monocle at current prices.
A day out in London costs less than a monocle! Transport into and around, lunch, dinner, a few drinks, and a bottle of water so I don't doze off on the train home.
New headphones! -ú35 each. |
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CCP Zulu
C C P
C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2011.09.18 16:58:00 -
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A sock puppet! |
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Azahni Vah'nos
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
15
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Posted - 2011.09.18 17:09:00 -
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CCP Zulu wrote:A sock puppet!
It must be tricky typing with one hand Zulu 
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Jackie Fisher
Syrkos Technologies
Joint Venture Conglomerate
4
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Posted - 2011.09.18 17:33:00 -
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Azahni Vah'nos wrote:CCP Zulu wrote:A sock puppet! It must be tricky typing with one hand Zulu
What makes you think he was using his hand to type?
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Fighter26
Orion's Fist
RED.Legion
4
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Posted - 2011.09.18 17:46:00 -
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My dog cost less than a Monocle. But seriously, why are you complaining, its just dress up stuff and you can buy it with isk. Let people spend money if they want to. |
Dalmont Delantee
Shiloh Technologies
STR8NGE BREW
3
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Posted - 2011.09.18 19:01:00 -
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A night with a lady of ill repute! |
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AFKCloaked AltSpy
MasterMined Technologies
5
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Posted - 2011.09.18 19:07:00 -
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Cyprus Black wrote:As the title says, this is the official "Things that cost less than CCP's Micro Transactions" game!
This is all in good fun. Feel free to contribute.
Things that cost less than CCP's Micro Transactions:
Real life clothing.
Weekly food budget.
Filling up my gas tank.
My monthly electric bill.
An oil change.
A family night out at the movie theater.
Four and a half large pizzas.
Anything on Steam.
Mailing a package to Australia from the United States.
A hotel for two nights.
A dinner date at an expensive restaurant.
Doctor Who season 5 on DVD.
The EvE Online game itself.
A night out at the bar with friends.
A three month course at Austin Community College.
Nothing, because I got all my NeX gear for ISK.
You should have made a thread about what you can buy with botting and RMT'ing in SOV controlling alliances.
So far we've seen transactions for thousands of dollars right here on the EvE-O forums. Much more interesting. |
Cunane Jeran
7
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Posted - 2011.09.18 19:57:00 -
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TGI double stacked Monterey jack burger, a side, and two cocktails.
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Vincent Athena
V.I.C.E.
40
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Posted - 2011.09.18 20:01:00 -
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Cyprus Black wrote:
Filling up my gas tank.
Whats a gas tank?
On subject: Rabbits for my pythons "Athena" and "Vincent"
CCP employees should never proclaim a feature to be awesome. Only subscribers should. |
FreddyTwo
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2011.09.18 20:47:00 -
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Me |
Sir Substance
Suddenly Ninjas
Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
17
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Posted - 2011.09.19 00:36:00 -
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Akita T wrote:Sir Substance wrote:I'd like to hire you, at the amount per hour you clearly value your time at, to sort my rice grains by size. So, you mean, you want to hire me to sort rice grains by size for 2 bil ISK/hour ? I'd gladly take that deal if that would be allowed by the EULA. Barring that, ok, I'll do that for, oh, say, 60$/hour (pretty hefty discount right there). Do we have a deal ? You still want to hire me to sort your rice grains ? No ? Why not ?
If your time is valued at 2bil an hour, how can macrotransactions possibly be free?
The purchase of MT items via plex represents a trading of time from your life rather then out of game money (in the smaller picture, someone else has already explained how you are wrong about the bigger picture).
Hence, if MT costs you zero, then your time is worthless.
I don't know about you man, but I always have stuff I could be doing IRL. Whenever I grab a few hours of playtime, there is always work I could be doing. I am never, not for one second, completely responsibility free. If it takes half an hour for me to earn a monocle, then that time has IRL cost.
If your cost is zero, then your time is worthless, and you can come sort my rice grains, because you clearly aren't doing anything else of consequence in your life. |
Misanth
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE
Limitless Inc.
72
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Posted - 2011.09.19 02:55:00 -
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Chribba wrote:I know one thing that doesn't - the monthly cost to commute in Stockholm! 
For those who never visited our beautiful city.. public transportation via sms-ticket cost, for a 25mins trip from suburbs to central city, and then back = as much as playing EVE online one month. The monthly fee is a great discount but still damn expensive. It's the NeX store of RL.
But let's see, alot of good stuff mentioned like free to play games etc.. hmm.
My monthly internet, telephone and cellphone bills combined is less than any item from the NeX store. |
Obsidian Hawk
RONA Corporation
RONA Directorate
83
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Posted - 2011.09.19 05:19:00 -
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I would post here but most of the stuff on ops list is not cheaper than the plex store. |
Indy Rider
Firebird Squadron
Terra-Incognita
11
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Posted - 2011.09.19 05:46:00 -
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My monthly mobile phone bill.
Fuel for about a year+ ($4.50 a month) |
ArmyOfMe
Hysera.
1
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Posted - 2011.09.19 06:15:00 -
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Azahni Vah'nos wrote:CCP Zulu wrote:A sock puppet! It must be tricky typing with one hand Zulu
well this made me lol |
Zey Nadar
Unknown Soldiers
Test Friends Please Ignore
3
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Posted - 2011.09.19 06:35:00 -
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quickshot89 wrote:Archy Mayaki wrote:I always though that NEX stuff could be acquired through PLEX / in-game currency. It can, people just dont seem to understand this concept.
People don't seem to understand that PLEXes are paid by real money.
I might be more understanding if it was possible for other people to see actually what kind of pants your avatar is wearing.. |
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