... people always find new and creative ways to circumvent the system ...

Stopped reading there as it's not a violation of the rules to sandbox EVE.

Stopped reading there as it's not a violation of the rules to sandbox EVE.

There is a difference between being a carebear and being stupid.

Uhm i dont understand are you a butthurt miner or a butthurt person because mineral prices are going up?

I'm butthurd because of the sambal soaked d+¦nner kebab I ate yesterday. My point is... if I ever had one. I don't know. Mining was a ******** concept from the start. People who do it and get ganked don't belong in Eve. And I see much tear potential in the "heavy duty" gankers who act like they're doing something special here.

Moon mining is a great idea. Just like PI but with more work involved and a good risk factor.

From what I've seen most just go: stay docked. Very few actually bother to come up with a strategy or tactic to deny a gank or in some way circumvent death. The sheer amount of barges lost and the amount of barges lost owned by the same pilots... it shames all of us. There is a difference between being a carebear and being stupid.

The more I think about this, the more I realize that mining really does need to change. Mining is sitting in a very fragile, bulky ship that shoots lasers and slowly fills up the hull with space rock that can be refined into minerals to make money with in an array of different ways.

If there was a way to defend yourself, I would agree. As things are right now, there is no way for miners to properly defend themselves. Even the best tanked solo Hulk only has 30k-40k EHP. Five to six (maybe less) well armed destroyers could kill before CONCORD arrives. Even with a logi ship, whatGÇÖs to stop the gankers from including the logi in that attack? They arenGÇÖt tanked much better.

There really is no proper defense..

How about a dual purpose command ship as an escort?

Could do some repping and provide a big boost to shield resistance as well.

See, this is the problem right there. Whenever someone comes up with a smart tactic, you people want CCP to give you some epic ship that will solve everything at the push of a button.

The most common response I've heard are buff hulk tank or CONCORD, not a whole new ship, though.

But I guess they want something like a high-sec capable rorqural?

See, this is the problem right there. Whenever someone comes up with a smart tactic, you people want CCP to give you some epic ship that will solve everything at the push of a button.

Mining is sitting in a very fragile, bulky ship that shoots lasers and slowly fills up the hull with space rock

So don't mine in a Hulk and don't mine alone. You sound like a pretty intelligent person, yet you fail when you say that there is no defense. Bring an orca, dock up. Bring ewar. Bring a Rokh with smartbombs. Bring amberlamps. Do something.

See, this is the problem right there. Whenever someone comes up with a smart tactic, you people want CCP to give you some epic ship that will solve everything at the push of a button.

You must not visit the suggestions forum often. They've been coming up with these god awful carrier sized, high sec capable indy ships that do everything for years. Then they got the Orca and don't use it. I'm really curious on the statistical use of an Orca. I bet half of them are used for support in WH ops or other non mining stuff.

The problem with the solutions above is the basic assumption that it is a matter of EHP vs DPS. No matter how much EHP, either by remote rep, personal boosting, or avoidance via ECM, that isnGÇÖt the issue. ItGÇÖs an issue of balancing the predator vs. prey gameplay (see my post on that topic: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1359427#post1359427) which is in reality a wide variety of gameplay changes that need to be made. ThatGÇÖs why I agree with you that the mining mechanics need to be changed, but simple means of defense are not a solution

Why not? It worked for destroyers. :P

Where is the failure when players don't use something?

I'm pretty sure you're not a failure and you fly all day long Osprey or Moas because you rocks in tha house

This thread again.

As an avid reader of GD I have to ask how many times do I have to stomach the endless wining herp derp of the same topic over and over again from grandiose self important scrubs *rushing* to forums with their own predigested regurgitate of a bad meal.

I hate your thread, I hate that I posted in your thread, I hate that I cared enough to post or read and want to fight the hell out of you.

In game.

Moon mining is a great idea. Just like PI but with more work involved and a good risk factor.

I am mad because there have been endless threads pointing out to high sec Hulk miners how you can reduce your viability as a target during hulkagedon.

I am mad because a hulk miner losing an untanked Hulk, empty med slots, with a tracking comp fitted and over a bn pod loss during hulkagedon spawns another thread, 7 pages long last I looked.


I am mad because people losing ships during a massive suicide-you-cos-we-can event , which happens every year and this year happens to be sponsored by the EvE bad guys means people call for changes to the game to make it better for them.

I am even madder because this whole event sponsored by them most likely furthers their own goals in consolidating their own position in this game of EvE - which they are playing and winning and everyone else whines about.

I am mad because instead of asking for changes from CCP, we don't just change what we do ourselves to counter the threat.

I am mad because people ask for CCP to change the game instead of people actually getting together and doing something in this big huge sandbox game where we can all do whatever we want to do, at any time in the EULA.

I am mad seeing folks asking for Hulk tank buffs or gank changes when people who want to mine should all band together against a single consolidated threat.

That's why I am mad.

I am mad seeing folks asking for Hulk tank buffs or gank changes when people who want to mine should all band together against a single consolidated threat.

They are though. The banding together is necessary to put up a unified front of whining and demands for hulk tank buffs or gank nerfs.

So this got me thinking further... what kind of idiot came up with this game mechanic? Who thought it would be a good idea to implement this as the main source of materials for ships that are used in Internet space ****? It's the exact opposite of what Eve should be. Things in eve should be risky, but above that, things in eve should be exhilarating. Mining is NOT exhilarating. Well, maybe it is during Hulkageddon. If you are an idiot that is.

I've tried explaining to people in MINING chat that you can actually "tank" your hulk rather than going for max yield. I've mentioned that you can find a dead-end system and keep an eye on local. I've mentioned that you can align and stay at 3/4 speed so you can insta-warp.

The response I get? Hulks need to be buffed, it doesn't matter how much you tank them they still get ganked, might as well go max yield, yadda yadda.

What I think would be hilarious is if they did buff hulks... by giving them an extra low slot or rig, because you know the first thing that would go in there would be another cargo mod, which of course would lower their ehp even more.

The problem with the solutions above is the basic assumption that it is a matter of EHP vs DPS. No matter how much EHP, either by remote rep, personal boosting, or avoidance via ECM, that isnGÇÖt the issue. ItGÇÖs an issue of balancing the predator vs. prey gameplay (see my post on that topic: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1359427#post1359427) which is in reality a wide variety of gameplay changes that need to be made. ThatGÇÖs why I agree with you that the mining mechanics need to be changed, but simple means of defense are not a solution



Why not? It worked for destroyers. :P

The fact that more exhumers were destroyed this Hulkageddon than ever not only proves that more people are ganking, but also that more miners are letting themselves become a victim.

I'm butthurd because of the sambal soaked d+¦nner kebab I ate yesterday. My point is... if I ever had one. I don't know. Mining was a ******** concept from the start. People who do it and get ganked don't belong in Eve. And I see much tear potential in the "heavy duty" gankers who act like they're doing something special here.

Moon mining is a great idea. Just like PI but with more work involved and a good risk factor.

You still have to collect your PI from the customs office, and come Dust you'll be dealing with people trying to blow your colonies up.

Moon mining isn't entirely safe either, and not intended as an every man activety.

I'm a miner. Never been ganked. Never taken any sort of defensive measures to counter ganking. People complaining on the forum give us a bad rep.

Start Date 2012:03:24

Yeah, that explains a lot. Nobody is interested in ganking your noob ship, noob. It takes 51 days to sit in a hulk, and up to 6 months to fly it properly. Before you go thinking "oh EVE isn't so bad, no one ever ganks me" make sure you're correcting for the observer effect...