Originally by: Enkidu Uruksen

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I suppose I shouldn't waste my time with supercilious snotty postings like this, but I probably have as much programming development experience as anybody here, so I'll take it.

Originally by: Saint VII

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Speaking from my own experiences of contracting 3rd party software developers, this does indeed seem to be true. It is strange to me, <blah blah blah> pretend that it's acceptable for a grown-up to have no concept of time management. Etc. I would love for any developer to try to hold a position in finance or accounting for longer than a week.

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What you don't understand is that in finance and accounting your challenges are quite different. You have relatively simple problems that have been solved many times before, and for most of them you simply need to copy last month's timesheets or last year's tax returns and drop in the new numbers. It's easy to plan your time in a situation like that, and if you run short you can throw as many accountants at it as you need, since they're all trained in the same basic accounting principles.

Programming is a different order of existence. For a program suite the size of the EVE server it is impossible to predict all the consequences of a change. Will adding a new subsystem to the Tengu lead to an unexpected singularity in the missile damage algorithm? What if there are 10 Tengus in a fleet with that subsystem? How does it interact with the other subsystems? How long will it take to satisfy yourself and your manager that it's safe to migrate it from Singularity to Tranquility?

And then we come to bugs. Unlike the systems you mention, a subtle bug can cause unpredictable delays, and throwing more people at it will not guarantee that it can be fixed on an accountant manager's schedule. The new code may in fact be correct, but finally exercise buggy code that has been in for years but never executed. How long will it take to find that bug or figure out what needs to be backed out until it can be found at leisure?

I'll stop here and go back to debugging... while mining arkonor.

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Originally by: Destination SkillQueue

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Originally by: Sade Onyx

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Edited by: Sade Onyx on 17/08/2009 19:08:35
Of course they leave it to the very last minute to post the patch notes, to give you less time to make those silly "petition against x change" before patch release, threads.

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Those petitions may be avoided initially, but the same petition will be created later anyway and in addition such behavior will create a lot of ill will and mistrust against CCP. Only bad ideas can't hold up to scrutiny and critizism anyway, so it is a pretty horrible way to operate.

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Originally by: Usagi Tsukino

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Did you just let Friday come and go without saying a word to your boss, or did you have some courtesy and tell him you wouldn't complete your task on time?

'Cause I am pretty sure his reaction would be different depending on how you answer that question.

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Originally by: Unminor

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Originally by: Usagi Tsukino

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Did you just let Friday come and go without saying a word to your boss, or did you have some courtesy and tell him you wouldn't complete your task on time?

'Cause I am pretty sure his reaction would be different depending on how you answer that question.

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This.


TBFH these guys are running a company and are expected to behave professionally. Even with patch notes!

Lesson 1.
Make sure you dont accidentally the corporate sub to Hustler!

Lesson 2.

If you open your mouth and say something to your customer you should know that you are obliged to pull through with what you say.

Lesson 3.

If you know you frequently fall through and cant deliver, either dont say anything or MAKE RESERVATIONS.

Lesson 4.

If stuff still keeps ****ing up apologize to your customers and take a corporate time out to discuss with your partners if you really should be running a company at all.

So, there it is.

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Originally by: Sidus Isaacs

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I like their kinda loose attitude.

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Originally by: Sub 7

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Originally by: Sidus Isaacs

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I like their kinda loose attitude.

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Me too, but there's loose and then there's Tuesday afternoon loose.

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Originally by: CCP t0rfifrans

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Sorry, no. You have to go into wormholes and get farmed by the new AI NPCs like everyone else...

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Originally by: CCP Zymurgist

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SoonÖ

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Originally by: CCP Zymurgist

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SoonÖ

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Originally by: Destination SkillQueue

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Originally by: Sade Onyx

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Edited by: Sade Onyx on 17/08/2009 19:08:35
Of course they leave it to the very last minute to post the patch notes, to give you less time to make those silly "petition against x change" before patch release, threads.

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Those petitions may be avoided initially, but the same petition will be created later anyway and in addition such behavior will create a lot of ill will and mistrust against CCP. Only bad ideas can't hold up to scrutiny and critizism anyway, so it is a pretty horrible way to operate.

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Originally by: Sade Onyx

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Originally by: Destination SkillQueue

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Originally by: Sade Onyx

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Edited by: Sade Onyx on 17/08/2009 19:08:35
Of course they leave it to the very last minute to post the patch notes, to give you less time to make those silly "petition against x change" before patch release, threads.

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Those petitions may be avoided initially, but the same petition will be created later anyway and in addition such behavior will create a lot of ill will and mistrust against CCP. Only bad ideas can't hold up to scrutiny and critizism anyway, so it is a pretty horrible way to operate.

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I wholeheartedly agree. But they do save themselves a lot of greif and work for forum moderators. Imagine if the notes were released a whole week before. Everyone would be voicing their opinions even before they have tried it.

Its a common trend ive seen in all mmo's now, patch notes are released as late as possible. Stops the speculation.

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Originally by: Jimer Lins

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Does it compile?

Then fecking SHIP IT!

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Originally by: Enkidu Uruksen

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What you don't understand is that in finance and accounting your challenges are quite different. You have relatively simple problems that have been solved many times before, and for most of them you simply need to copy last month's timesheets or last year's tax returns and drop in the new numbers. It's easy to plan your time in a situation like that, and if you run short you can throw as many accountants at it as you need, since they're all trained in the same basic accounting principles.

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Originally by: Herzog Wolfhammer

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My point: in software development, you don't write software. It writes you.

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