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rodensteiner
Amarr
The Littlest Hobos
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.08.17 19:56:00 -
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I don't run missions often, but occasionally I do. I'm to the point where I have the standings to do lvl4's, but now I need to figure out what to fly.
lvl3's were a joke as I did them with a battleship (an extreme lolfit of a battleship, too, but that's a different story)
But for lvl4's I'm going to need a slightly more serious setup.
I don't do missions for my main income, so I'm not as concerned about the isk ratios.
However, I'd like to do these missions in something smaller than a Battleship because I really do not enjoy flying BS's at all.
I cannot fly Drakes or Myrmidons, so those are out of the question. Would a Harbinger/Prophecy/Hurricane/Cyclone be a viable lvl4 mission ship?
If I have to warp out of a mission on the occasion to complete it, that's ok.
Anyone have some suggestions for me?
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Davinel Lulinvega
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Posted - 2009.08.17 20:01:00 -
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A bc can do it but it would take twice as long. Honestly missions are boring no matter what you do them in. Once you get over the "wheee I'm flying fast" you realize you're doing it slower and it becomes less fun. Your best bet is to just get the highest dps bs and do them as fast as you can.
Some t2 ships like an ishtar or nighthawk can perform decently, but they won't come close to the performance of a marauder or a gank bs.
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baltec1
Antares Shipyards
Vanguard.
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Posted - 2009.08.17 20:54:00 -
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It is possible to do level 4s in a zealot and very possible in an ishtar but honestly a BS will be easyer.
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AstroPhobic
Divine Retribution
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Posted - 2009.08.17 20:58:00 -
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You can do them in HACs/CS but I'd personally find it even more painful than a battleship.
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Kismo
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Posted - 2009.08.17 21:02:00 -
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Originally by: rodensteiner
I cannot fly Drakes or Myrmidons, so those are out of the question. Would a Harbinger/Prophecy/Hurricane/Cyclone be a viable lvl4 mission ship?
I've had good friends run lowsec L4's in Sleip/Claymore/Hurricane and it worked out well. The Claymore/Sleip were run with a Raven backup, and the Hurricane was a shield tanked artycane. The Cyclone might have done a better job, but DPS is so low on most BCs that it isn't really feasible.
Notably, the Fury HML Drake is pretty fantastic at running missions, and can give a Raven pilot a run for his money.
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Vyktor Abyss
Gallente
The Abyss Corporation
Abyss Alliance
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Posted - 2009.08.17 21:53:00 -
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Edited by: Vyktor Abyss on 17/08/2009 21:55:46
I've ran most of my level 4's in an Ishtar and a few in a Deimos, but its mostly because I was being lazy and flying what was available.
In terms of efficiency though - ISK per hour return etc You're better in a BS << Navy BS < Marauder (coz of looting/salvaging) < Pimped Navy/T2 BS etc...
If you're really not bothered about time efficiency, run them in a speed/signature tanker - its more fun.
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Akita T
Caldari
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2009.08.17 22:48:00 -
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Originally by: rodensteiner
I cannot fly Drake[...]Would a Harbinger/Prophecy/Hurricane/Cyclone be a viable lvl4 mission ship?
If it's BC, Drake or bust.
Stick with BSs otherwise.
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Hotice
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Posted - 2009.08.17 23:51:00 -
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I've alway used zealot and ishtar for low sec missions. They can handle any lvl 4s without issue. They are a bit slower than pure marauders and etc... However, they can do the job very nicely. |
Akita T
Caldari
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2009.08.18 00:07:00 -
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I somewhat doubt the OP can fly any HACs...
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Kismo
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Posted - 2009.08.18 00:30:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
If it's BC, Drake or bust.
Stick with BSs otherwise.
Hey Akita, since I have you here. I've been thinking about replacing my Raven with an active tanked Drake with 4 faction BCS - good or bad idea?
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Akita T
Caldari
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2009.08.18 03:07:00 -
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Drop a faction AB on it and you're gold. But, why settle for a Drake, get a Nighthawk or Tengu !
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Iria Ahrens
Amarr
101st Space Marine Force
Libertas Fidelitas
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Posted - 2009.08.18 03:27:00 -
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Edited by: Iria Ahrens on 18/08/2009 03:28:39
You can do level 4s in an Assault Ship if you want, it's just going to be very slow, and if you screw up, you won't have a lot of time bug out.
Generally, you need to be highly skilled to be effective in a smaller class ship. In other words, if you don't have the skills to fly a BS in 4s then you probably can't do level 4s in something smaller either.
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Omar Khayyam
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.08.18 08:19:00 -
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my main misson shi is a loki 
it does missions quite fast (nearly as fast as my old CNR) and its much more funnier to do with it.. its afst bevause most of the targets are ships smaller than battleships, and it kills those ships extremely fast, as for battleships, average time is about 2 mins per battleship.. also you can use an emergent locus coordinator for 40km range tractor beams and salvagers after mission...
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fivetide humidyear
Gallente
The Avalon Foundation
The Drift.
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Posted - 2009.08.18 08:37:00 -
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i've farmed sec status in a shield tanked ishtar for about ages now, there is no level 4 it can't tank with full agro so long as you keep moving and killing stuff (well, not that i've found yet) and it can be used with ease in high or low sec.
if i want ot run them quickly i go with a shield tanked dominix with a full rack of 425's and dps tank the missions.
i would never disgrace my nightmares by using them for pve, but a MP II abbadon can do some missions very quickly.
For BC, yeah it's a drake or bust and it works nicely.
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Tippia
Raddick Explorations
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Posted - 2009.08.18 10:56:00 -
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I have successfull run L4s in the following:
Drake, Myrmidon, Harbinger, Ishtar, Deimos, Proteus.
Make of that what you will on the viability of staying away from sissy battleships.
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Mara Rinn
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Posted - 2009.08.18 11:21:00 -
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I've run level 4s with friends flying assault frigates. It's just a matter of whether you're looking for LULZ or ISK. Level 4 missions have a large proportion of their HP tucked away inside battleships, thus DPS against battleships is what will determine the minimum time it takes you to run a mission.
With a few friends you could try running L4s with stealth bombers (good DPS vs battleships) and assault frigates (good DPS vs everything else).
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Davina Braben
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Posted - 2009.08.18 11:30:00 -
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Edited by: Davina Braben on 18/08/2009 11:32:50
They'd probably be a pain in the bum tbh.
You could do it. Probably most viable with a passive tanked cane.
I'd suggest skilling up your BS though as they are the easiest things to L4 in because they can just sit and tank the DPS (traversal tanking is great until you **** up and get webbed) and have lots of DPS out to the longer ranges involved in L4s.
L4s are inherently boring. There's no way to make them fun. May as well get em over and done with quick and get back to boat violencing.
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar
Dark-Rising
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Posted - 2009.08.18 11:30:00 -
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Edited by: Vaerah Vahrokha on 18/08/2009 11:34:08
Edited by: Vaerah Vahrokha on 18/08/2009 11:30:32
Can be done with Passivecane (you can find the fit in Battleclinic), it just takes A LOT expecially if the BSes repair themselves.
I could survive about 2 x Tyrant + 5 of the next evilest "I don't remember the name" battleships with a Passivecane, without very high skills.
Edit: having a couple of alts I also had great fun sending in a passive cane and then a glass cannon cane. Even battleships were cake and 10 drones against the frigs = win.
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King Rothgar
Death of Virtue
MeatSausage EXPRESS
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Posted - 2009.08.18 11:41:00 -
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I ran a lvl4 in a carrier earlier today just for a laugh. But that isn't what you're going for I think. My abaddon would have run it 3x as fast anyways . Regardless, a really epically skilled BC can do it but it will take ages. You might want to look into training a command ship, they have BS level tanks but have the mobility of a standard BC. DPS is comparable to a more balanced BC as opposed to a lvl4 running uber tank with very little punch. An Absolution should work very nicely.
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rodensteiner
Amarr
The Littlest Hobos
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.08.18 13:17:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
I somewhat doubt the OP can fly any HACs...
I've been flying Zealots and Sacrileges for many months now...
Actually, I currently cannot fly HAC's because I somehow managed to forget to update my clone, and lost a good 2.5 weeks off of Amarr cruiser 5 
I think I may give it a go in a Cyclone, Hurricane, or Harbinger. I could, naturally, just fit up a Mega Pulse II Battleship but I get sick of flying Battleships as soon as I undock them and wait for them to align 
I appreciate the feedback from everyone, though!
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Cpt Cosmic
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Posted - 2009.08.18 13:28:00 -
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passive shield tanked ishtar works very well against some factions
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m0jo
Chemical Dependency
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Posted - 2009.08.18 13:55:00 -
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I run lvl 4's in a t2 fit Tengu. Works amazingly well.
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rodensteiner
Amarr
The Littlest Hobos
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.08.19 13:35:00 -
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The only T3 ship I have skills trained for are a Legion 
Not that I have the cash to buy one, anyways.
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Joe Starbreaker
The Fighting Republicans
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Posted - 2009.08.19 14:00:00 -
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Battleships do the most damage and will kill NPCs fastest. Unfortunately there is no getting around this. I've heard of people running L4s in an assault frigate, such things are conceivably possible, but it's got to take hours and hours.
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Cartheron Crust
14th Legion
Equilibrium.
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Posted - 2009.08.19 14:17:00 -
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I can do every lvl4 mission (not including against amarr faction ones, can't take anymore faction hits) barring WC in my AC/HAM Hurricane in Minmatar Space for Minmatar agents. Longest one is AE or Blockade took me about 45 mins last time, rest take less time (most between 15 and 30 mins). Tank varies between dual rep and single rep depending on mission, using cap injector, AB and transversal to reduce a lot of damage. Everything is t2 on it tho, cept painter I think.
6x220mm AC's t2, 2xHAM Launchers t2
10mn AB t2, Stasis Webifier t2, PWNAGE Painter, Med Cap Booster (400 charges)
Drones 6 x Warrior or Hobgoblin t2's.
Low slots vary between missions. A few need 2 x Med rep t2 and 3 x Appropriate Hardeners + 1 gyro t2. Most you can drop a rep for another gyro. To start with you might want to use 2 rep, 3 hardener and a Damage Control t2, just for the $%^& moments when something goes wrong or it's a new mission you havent done.
Oh yes and 3 projectile ambit rigs. <--- Important
The simgle rep tank dual gyro has 501 theoretical dps with regualr ammo, 493m/s with AB running and a loltank of 94dps. Use speed and transversal to negate most of damage, pulse reppers and booster when you need them. Some of the missions I don't even use a single cap booster now. They are there just incase. Kill webbers first then cruisers, then BC's. You rip them to pieces in seconds and reduce the incoming damage fast. I just use regular ammo (either EMP M, Phased Plasma M or Fusion M) except for angel missions when I use a bit of Barrage for ships while at range, then switch up to regular Fusion. For the Angel BS's I use Hail and HULKSMASH them very fast. I keep some appropriate Rage HAMs aswell for when it's just BS's left.
Protip - Don't loot/salvage serpentis missions not worth the time. Mercs often aren't either.
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Dracthera
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.08.19 14:52:00 -
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Originally by: Joe Starbreaker
Battleships do the most damage and will kill battleship NPCs fastest. Unfortunately there is no getting around this. I've heard of people running L4s in an assault frigate, such things are conceivably possible, but it's got to take hours and hours.
Fixed for you. If you're going against mostly BS missions, then you're absolutely correct - a BS is likely to complete the mission faster than a BC. However, if you're not picky about the missions you run, on average a pimped out BC/CS (Drake/NH) will be on par in terms of mission completion times with a BS.
There are a lot more factors involved in mission completion times aside from simply killing rats - there's the fact that there are a variety of sizes of rats, there's travel time between gates, etc., etc. Simply looking at how fast you can kill a rat BS isn't telling the entire story.
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