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Ptraci 3 R Corporation The Irukandji 516	Posted - 2012.05.30 13:51:00 - [61] - Quote Zoe Athame wrote: [Rokh, Rokh - Anti-Gank Miner] Co-Processor II Co-Processor II Mining Laser Upgrade II Mining Laser Upgrade II Mining Laser Upgrade II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Survey Scanner II EM Ward Amplifier II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Modulated Deep Core Miner II Modulated Deep Core Miner II Modulated Deep Core Miner II Modulated Deep Core Miner II Modulated Deep Core Miner II Modulated Deep Core Miner II Modulated Deep Core Miner II Modulated Deep Core Miner II Large Core Defense Field Extender I Large Core Defense Field Extender I Large Core Defense Field Extender I Warrior II Mining Drone II Yup let's see you mine ice in that thing.
masren New Eden Logistics Detrimental Imperative 0	Posted - 2012.05.30 14:19:00 - [62] - Quote why dont ccg give us a battle hulk/mack so we can fight back while we wait for concord to kick the stupid gankers who are too scared to find a proper fight in 0.0. empire should be safeish for players who want to mine this is a form of greafing and if its not stopped i for one will find another game as i think a lot will. another idea is to make hulk/macks with a large tank to give us a chance, why is it allways pvp sided if you want to pvp go to 0.0
Fred Lodenstane Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 9	Posted - 2012.05.30 14:24:00 - [63] - Quote You know, the op made a really good point about how you can safely mine in highsec. Just about every one of his ideas would work too, though the intel channels would probably have to be separated by regions to be effective as someone else pointed out. This is how people tend to mine in null too, when mining does happen there, and it works against many small roaming gangs out there.Despite these suggestions being so good though, everyone else seems to be raging about goons in some form, or pretending to not be mad or something. If you're going to do that then make your own thread, don't ruin this person's good idea. I'd love to see some actual player-driven change come out of hulkageddon. I may even visit highsec with my main again if it becomes less rotten.
Virgil Travis GWA Corp Unified Church of the Unobligated 244	Posted - 2012.05.30 14:25:00 - [64] - Quote masren wrote: why dont ccg give us a battle hulk/mack so we can fight back while we wait for concord to kick the stupid gankers who are too scared to find a proper fight in 0.0. empire should be safeish for players who want to mine this is a form of greafing and if its not stopped i for one will find another game as i think a lot will. another idea is to make hulk/macks with a large tank to give us a chance, why is it allways pvp sided if you want to pvp go to 0.0 And they wonder why... If the Sims all became zombies it would be easy to escape them, just shove them in a room and make them answer the telephone.
Pinstar Colton Sweet Asteroid Acres 100	Posted - 2012.05.30 14:27:00 - [65] - Quote Mine in low sec Seriously. You are slightly safer there. Your exhumer is liable to be ganked in both high or low sec. However, pirates looking to reap hulkageddon bounties are looking in high sec for miners, not low. Not to mention that the hulkageddon conditions specify "10 exhumers killed in high sec space will earn you 100m in bounties" meaning those in low don't count. The availability of slightly rarer ore is just a cherry on top. Oh, and if your have protection, your bodyguards can shoot would-be gankers first in low sec, before they have a chance to engage you (unlike in high sec). Alternatively, mine in retrievers/Covetors. Hulkageddon pirates don't get bounty credit for popping those and the value of the loot that you drop is much less. Not only is it cheaper to replace a mining barge, some pirates might not even bother with you if they don't think you're worth the sec status hit. I don't make minerals. I just make ore 20% cooler.
Jorma Morkkis State War Academy Caldari State 64	Posted - 2012.05.30 14:27:00 - [66] - Quote Zoe Athame wrote: [Rokh, Rokh - Anti-Gank Miner] Co-Processor II Co-Processor II Mining Laser Upgrade II Mining Laser Upgrade II Mining Laser Upgrade II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Survey Scanner II EM Ward Amplifier II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Modulated Deep Core Miner II Modulated Deep Core Miner II Modulated Deep Core Miner II Modulated Deep Core Miner II Modulated Deep Core Miner II Modulated Deep Core Miner II Modulated Deep Core Miner II Modulated Deep Core Miner II Large Core Defense Field Extender I Large Core Defense Field Extender I Large Core Defense Field Extender I Warrior II Mining Drone II Can be ganked. If someone disagrees post video on Youtube as a proof it can't be done. If someone agrees post video on Youtube as a proof it can be done. Preferably in 1.0 space.
Jori McKie Friends Of Harassment 21	Posted - 2012.05.30 14:45:00 - [67] - Quote Jorma Morkkis wrote: Zoe Athame wrote: [Rokh, Rokh - Anti-Gank Miner] FIT Can be ganked. If someone disagrees post video on Youtube as a proof it can't be done. If someone agrees post video on Youtube as a proof it can be done. Preferably in 1.0 space. Dude you don't get it. Anything can be ganked no matter how hard you tank it but that is not the point of mining in a Rokh. The point is it will be no easy gank nor a profitable gank.
Holice Mimzar Animosity-guild The Brotherhood. 0	Posted - 2012.05.30 14:45:00 - [68] - Quote Starsplash wrote: Really man... if you wanna pvp, thats what nullsec/low sec and Wh space is for. But that is far too difficult for the people who participate in this. The same people who claim that mining is easy mode and for carebears are the ones who are doubling or tripling up on defenseless miners. Does it get much easier than that? For all the supposed hardcore pvp that goes on in null sec, there sure are an awful lot of "hardcore pvpers" spending their time in high sec killing miners. I don't fault them for it thou, its easy money from GS, and costs them next to nothing to do with barely any penalties. The security hits either don't phase them or they just use alts who they don't care about. It's really just CCP's fault for not providing engaging enough opportunities and fun in low sec and null sec, that they are forced occupy themselves in high sec. And as far as it being good for the economy, there are more than enough ships being destroyed in null/low sec and by new players losing ships in missions for the economy to fair just fine. Not too mention the millions of rounds of ammunition that constantly needs to be replaced in high and low sec, the modules in low sec, and the newer players buying ships they have just trained for. So if you do enjoy H5, just say its because you love preying on innocent players, who either lack the knowledge to know how to help themselves or are too stupid to realize what is going on. Don't use excuses about how its good for the game and good for the economy, because the game and the economy were just fine before these events, they were fine between these events, and will still be fine in the future.
Jorma Morkkis State War Academy Caldari State 64	Posted - 2012.05.30 15:42:00 - [69] - Quote Jori McKie wrote: Dude you don't get it. Anything can be ganked no matter how hard you tank it but that is not the point of mining in a Rokh. The point is it will be no easy gank nor a profitable gank. - My point exactly - You just ruined my evil plan to get some idiots to gank 200 mil isk hull with 1+ bil worth of Tornadoes. So thank you sir.
Barbara Nichole Cryogenic Consultancy Black Sun Alliance 175	Posted - 2012.05.30 15:44:00 - [70] - Quote Richard Desturned wrote: Hey look some actual decent advice that doesn't have any gnashing of the teeth or "hulkageddon is irrelevant" nonsense props that doesn't mean hulkageddon is relevant.... [IMG]http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a208/DawnFrostbringer/OldST.jpg[/IMG]
Vaerah Vahrokha Vahrokh Consulting 1004	Posted - 2012.05.30 15:51:00 - [71] - Quote Julii Hakaari wrote: Vaerah Vahrokha wrote: You kill one, 10 more will come, like the herds of zombies in class B movies. Fighting back is never about winning; it's about fighting for a cause. Imagine WW2 with the resistance groups within Germany. Do you think they thought they could win? Of course not, but they fought back because they had a cause to fight for. The same principle can be applied here. Do you believe you have the right to play the game your way? Then do it! Don't ask favors from God (or CCP) because even if God would give you said favors, it would feel much better if you got these favors yourself. It's the dream we fight for; that we have a birthright to claim a certain part of New Eden. I don't usually say this because it's not a valid argument, but if your play-style is a style which relies on complete safety from gankers, then EVE isn't a game for you. I do recommend Entropia Universe which with its RCE-economy and pve-content is a valid substitute to EVE. First of all WW2 is a serious thing and associating it with a game is a bit too far. Second, I think a number of people in this game, for some reason, make it so important for them that it takes priority on whatever. For many others, expecially past a certain age and maturity, a video game is the last of the last of the last of the things to spend their energies on. EvE is not worth making your blood pressure rise, it's just a game. Sure it's epic, and big and you can have a good time but in the end it's just a game. This is why some believe it's worth pouring in whatever energies just to rise their head above the mud, and will go to great lengths doing what they hate just to hope and achieve some long term objective. The others? Won't bother. Call it laziness or whatever, it's an entertrainment and some have all of 10 minutes a day to get their little slice of it. Example: I like to do X. I have limited time to do X. I also like doing Y, but today I am not in the mood or I just don't have the time for it. The current dominant groupthink believes and imposes on everybody that you must do Y or die. They will concede you to do X but first - like a medicine - you must do Y. Now, despite I actually like Y, I have a rebel nature so if I am imposed Y I will just tell them to GTFO by principle. Being imposed a whole propaganda, a whole constant hammering and brainwashing is not what I pay a game for. I get this garbage for free every day in RL just by turning on the television or reading a newspaper. As for the safety off gankers, it's hard for them to get me in Jita IV. I still risk about 10 billions per trade (see my website for logs, screen shots etc), which is a bit more than their expendable and now groupthink subsidized 2M ship. When I am out of Jita I am in an Hurricane or Drake (I have several alts specced in different faction ships) roaming in The Forge seeking for -10 people to kill and assisting a mercs corp. I have just 30 minutes a day to do so though, I can't change that. I am sure the two paragraphs above clearly indicate that I am not risk averse, but groupthink averse. Auditing \| Collateral holding and insurance \| Consulting \| PLEX for Good Charity Twitter channel
Natsett Amuinn GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 23	Posted - 2012.05.30 15:51:00 - [72] - Quote Pok Nibin wrote: Richard Desturned wrote: Hey look some actual decent advice that doesn't have any gnashing of the teeth or "hulkageddon is irrelevant" nonsense props Hulkageddon IS irrelevant. I once shot an irrelevant in my pajamas! How he got in my pajamas, I'll never know. Hulkageddon is the sort of activity dreamed up by bored people with no imagination - er...that's why they're bored. There's NO challenge to it. It requires NO remarkable skills. Hell, there's half a dozen "How-to for the beginners" on the interweb thingy. Admit it. You don't say things like this to show your intelligence. It's a lap dog thing for your handler, right? Always good to lick the master's hand. Props back atcha. Woof! Woof! <-------- Translation for Goons. You're like, super smart, and said stuff. Now stop eating your own crap.
DrWilsonPhD Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State 0	Posted - 2012.05.30 15:55:00 - [73] - Quote Zoe Athame wrote: [Rokh, Rokh - Anti-Gank Miner] Co-Processor II Co-Processor II Mining Laser Upgrade II Mining Laser Upgrade II Mining Laser Upgrade II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Survey Scanner II EM Ward Amplifier II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Modulated Deep Core Miner II Modulated Deep Core Miner II Modulated Deep Core Miner II Modulated Deep Core Miner II Modulated Deep Core Miner II Modulated Deep Core Miner II Modulated Deep Core Miner II Modulated Deep Core Miner II Large Core Defense Field Extender I Large Core Defense Field Extender I Large Core Defense Field Extender I Warrior II Mining Drone II Ore yield per minute is greater than the Rokh's cargo space... To use effectively, you'd need to stagger activations and make sure you move ore to a can constantly and in a timely fashion. Finally... Mining is more exciting!
Vaerah Vahrokha Vahrokh Consulting 1004	Posted - 2012.05.30 15:56:00 - [74] - Quote Darth Tickles wrote: You'll have to excuse VV. He's mentally unbalanced. I'm not sure how he escaped the MD forum, but we're doing our best to get him back there using humane methods. Those who think outside of the crowd are always seen as unbalanced. Unlike what I posted above, thinking outside of the crowd is worth fighting and even dying for. Auditing \| Collateral holding and insurance \| Consulting \| PLEX for Good Charity Twitter channel
Lucy Ferrr Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic 37	Posted - 2012.05.30 15:57:00 - [75] - Quote This won't work I don't think because miners are dumb... I've tried warning some of the locals in the system I afk mine when I saw gankers. They didn't accept my convo, and ignored my mail. I went out to the belt in a shuttle and watched their hulks get ganked.
Vaerah Vahrokha Vahrokh Consulting 1005	Posted - 2012.05.30 15:59:00 - [76] - Quote Thalen Draganos wrote: Safety in Eve is no different. Aside from concord to do the bit of policing that it does, It is up to the players to ensure either their own safety or the safety of others regardless of where you are. Local chat is merely a tool that people can use to ensure that safety. So, if you remove it from null sec, you should remove it for every part of space. That way the risk is the same. Basically, the only difference between high sec, low sec or null sec is the presence of concord, gate/station guns and sec status hits to the players. Otherwise your in the same situation where, regardless of what your doing, you should always be looking over your shoulder or watching local as it were. So don't be stupid and think that the risk is different in any other part of space in any other way than the amount of players in it. This will fly the day I can scan 10/10 in hi sec, I can find ABC roids, 15k LP missions and I can kill whatever tosser shoots at my out of corp friends. Until then, hi sec has less reward so it's worth less effort. Auditing \| Collateral holding and insurance \| Consulting \| PLEX for Good Charity Twitter channel
Vaerah Vahrokha Vahrokh Consulting 1005	Posted - 2012.05.30 16:02:00 - [77] - Quote Fred Lodenstane wrote: You know, the op made a really good point about how you can safely mine in highsec. Can you ice mine in a Rokh? Auditing \| Collateral holding and insurance \| Consulting \| PLEX for Good Charity Twitter channel
TheBig Bukowsky Republic University Minmatar Republic 22	Posted - 2012.05.30 18:37:00 - [78] - Quote Updated with some valuable information.
Vaerah Vahrokha Vahrokh Consulting 1010	Posted - 2012.05.30 21:42:00 - [79] - Quote Julii Hakaari wrote: Vaerah Vahrokha wrote: You kill one, 10 more will come, like the herds of zombies in class B movies. Fighting back is never about winning; it's about fighting for a cause. Imagine WW2 with the resistance groups within Germany. Do you think they thought they could win? Of course not, but they fought back because they had a cause to fight for. The same principle can be applied here. Do you believe you have the right to play the game your way? Then do it! Don't ask favors from God (or CCP) because even if God would give you said favors, it would feel much better if you got these favors yourself. It's the dream we fight for; that we have a birthright to claim a certain part of New Eden. I don't usually say this because it's not a valid argument, but if your play-style is a style which relies on complete safety from gankers, then EVE isn't a game for you. I do recommend Entropia Universe which with its RCE-economy and pve-content is a valid substitute to EVE. You know what? I looked at this Entropia game and it has one kind of PVP where you die and lose items costed real cash. Looks harsher than EvE. But what hit me - an EvE and RL trader - is the fact you can gain real money. Now, I always found getting e-rich very easy but also quite pointless since you can't "redeem" the ISK into RL cash. Entropia seems to have that. I am definitely going to see this game... Auditing \| Collateral holding and insurance \| Consulting \| PLEX for Good Charity Twitter channel
Karn Dulake Souls Must Be Trampled The.Alliance 823	Posted - 2012.05.30 21:54:00 - [80] - Quote OP this is a nice idea but im sorry ill have to **** on your parade. When setting up something like this always look for the weaknesses I join HMining INTEL with an alt and it give me perfect intel to where all the mining ships are at the moment. Gank heaven and no work. One its been infiltrated no one will use it. I dont normally troll, but when i do i do it on General Discussion.
TheBig Bukowsky Republic University Minmatar Republic 24	Posted - 2012.05.31 06:00:00 - [81] - Quote Karn Dulake wrote: OP this is a nice idea but im sorry ill have to **** on your parade. When setting up something like this always look for the weaknesses I join HMining INTEL with an alt and it give me perfect intel to where all the mining ships are at the moment. Gank heaven and no work. One its been infiltrated no one will use it. Not really. It's not for calling where are the miners but where and who are the suicide gankers. But I see that by saying where are the gankers we may expose the miners... if only not miners but friendly scouts could report too that problem would be solved.
RAP ACTION HERO 29	Posted - 2012.05.31 06:11:00 - [82] - Quote TheBig Bukowsky wrote: Karn Dulake wrote: OP this is a nice idea but im sorry ill have to **** on your parade. When setting up something like this always look for the weaknesses I join HMining INTEL with an alt and it give me perfect intel to where all the mining ships are at the moment. Gank heaven and no work. One its been infiltrated no one will use it. Not really. It's not for calling where are the miners but where and who are the suicide gankers. But I see that by saying where are the gankers we may expose the miners... if only not miners but friendly scouts could report too that problem would be solved. op you need to add "don't be a moron and report blue intel"
Mara Rinn Cosmic Industrial Complex Cosmic Consortium 1448	Posted - 2012.05.31 06:17:00 - [83] - Quote RAP ACTION HERO wrote: op you need to add "don't be a moron and report blue intel" ^ what he said. Hisec folks organising intel channels need to be aware that you never report blues. No, "o/ Soandso in Eygfe". This might seem unfriendly at first, but you will very quickly learn that blue intel gets peoples' ships blown up. That, and blue intel is annoyingly spammy. Drag red pilot's name into chat, drag solar system into chat, hit return. Perhaps include the ship type being flown (for -10 gankers this will usually be "pod"). It is also worth figuring out who the Orca alts are, and reporting them too.
Ituhata Saken Elysium Enterprises 152	Posted - 2012.05.31 06:22:00 - [84] - Quote RAP ACTION HERO wrote: op you need to add "don't be a moron and report blue intel" You know what an answer is? It's a terminus -- an end. Answers are fine, but questions are where it's at. Questions bring us closer to understanding, -áthey can start a conversation or spark a revolution. So you might as well start asking... now.-á ~See you on the other side 6/6/12~
InternetSpaceship GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 14	Posted - 2012.05.31 07:36:00 - [85] - Quote Finally one of you pubbies gets it. This is how a sandbox works. Official Recruiter for GoonSwarm Corporation. If you paid isk to get into GoonSwarm, you were probably scammed.-á If you had the foresight to save the name of your scammer, let me know and I'll do what I can to help you.
Ned Black Driders 27	Posted - 2012.05.31 08:10:00 - [86] - Quote Thalen Draganos wrote: Ned Black wrote: [quote=Tatjana Braun] Which is EXACTLY why local should be removed in nullsec. If you are in high risk space then there really should be high risk if you want to do just about anything... not like the current PvE heaven nullspace really is. What they should do is Remove local so that the nullbears can actually feel the fear of being ganked... as an added bonus that would fix the AFK cloaker problem as well. Suddenly you would have to fear the active cloaker and not the one that is AFK. Remove automatic mails about POS/SOV structures being attacked. If you dont have people present that can detect the activity you should be able to sneak around and smash whoever in their faces. Remove automatic mails about hostile POSes being put in place. Suddenly you nullbears would have to experience a bit of that risk and no safe place in eve you love to talk about... but for some strange reason you never seem to like any idea that makes YOUR risk any greater... very strange... . One thing I think you may have missed is that things like hulkageddon aren't restricted by high sec, low sec, or even null sec. It's an impartial event that everyone everywhere can take part in. Either by doing the killing or doing the exploding. Safety in Eve is no different. Aside from concord to do the bit of policing that it does, It is up to the players to ensure either their own safety or the safety of others regardless of where you are. Local chat is merely a tool that people can use to ensure that safety. So, if you remove it from null sec, you should remove it for every part of space. That way the risk is the same. Basically, the only difference between high sec, low sec or null sec is the presence of concord, gate/station guns and sec status hits to the players. Otherwise your in the same situation where, regardless of what your doing, you should always be looking over your shoulder or watching local as it were. So don't be stupid and think that the risk is different in any other part of space in any other way than the amount of players in it. I would not be opposed to remove local from all over. But the risk IS different in highsec compared to nullsec... actually quite a bit diffrent when you think about it. The diffrence between is simple yet substantial. In highsec you have between 10-1000 people in just about every system you go to. Most of the time the majority of those are "neuts"... which means that you cant determin if they are friendly or not. If a new neutral guy pops into "your" highsec system you simply ignore it because otherwise you would never ever leave station... In nullsec however you have two statuses. Friendly or otherwise. If its a friend that jumps into your system you simply keep doing what you did before the friend arrived... if its not a friend then you immediatly KNOW that you need to get your bling bling ship safe or risk losing it. The result is that you initiate warp the second you notice the neutral in local... So it is in fact a LOT easier to stay safe doing PvE activities in nullsec than it is in highsec. So while you can't see the forrest because of all the trees in highsec you immediatly spot the cat among the ferrets in nullsec... and that is a MAJOR diffrence in risk if you ask me. By removing local you would remove that huge advantage and suddenly... suddenly the nullsec hulkageddon would be very possible unlike today when every hulk and their drones warps to safety before you grid even loads.
Sidus Isaacs Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 120	Posted - 2012.05.31 08:50:00 - [87] - Quote Props to OP for actually playing the game!
Ban Bindy Bindy Brothers Pottery Association 200	Posted - 2012.05.31 09:01:00 - [88] - Quote Nothing is going to stop gankers from joining your channel and filling it with disinformation, especially if it turns out to be successful. Announcing ganks where there are none, for instance. Plus knowing where they are doesn't do a lot to stop them. I once spent a couple of evenings warning people that there was a gate camp in Amamake, with alts sitting on both sides of the gate, calling out ship numbers and ship types. I saved almost nobody. Even when warned, players still jumped into the gate camp like lemmings, and died. I have a feeling this exercise will be a lot like that one. But it's worth a try.
Sarah Schneider PonyWaffe Test Alliance Please Ignore 280	Posted - 2012.05.31 09:46:00 - [89] - Quote +1 for OP. Finally! someone who does something sandbox-y instead of littering the forums with whineposts. "Eve isnGÇÖt some welcoming online utopia: itGÇÖs cut-throat, cruel, atavistic despite the futuristic setting. Give people a sandbox, and theyGÇÖll throw the sand in a rivalGÇÖs eyes before kicking them in the shins and destroying their sandcastle." -Keza MacDonald, IGN.
TheBig Bukowsky High Safety 35	Posted - 2012.05.31 15:32:00 - [90] - Quote Updated with some good news

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