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TheBig Bukowsky Republic University Minmatar Republic 5	Posted - 2012.05.30 06:27:00 - [1] - Quote - Create your own Hisec Mining INTEL channel with information about suicide gankers. Each time you spot any of them, call their name and the system they're in. If you've been suicide ganked, report that too. - Add suicide gankers to your watchlist and warp-out as soon as they enter in local. - Consort with Hisec PVP corps and/or Mercenaries so they can wardec them in order to kill them before they may act. - Use logistics in your mining ops, fit ECM drones, tank your hulks, protect yourselves. - Distrust anyone warping to your bell. If you have no protection, report him in the Intel channel and warp out. - Make sure to recruite more miners and mining corps to your cause. The more you are the better. - Stop complaining, you're just feeding their egos and CCP won't help you. You're welcome.
Richard Desturned GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 509	Posted - 2012.05.30 06:28:00 - [2] - Quote Hey look some actual decent advice that doesn't have any gnashing of the teeth or "hulkageddon is irrelevant" nonsense props eh
Zoe Athame Fweddit 49	Posted - 2012.05.30 06:35:00 - [3] - Quote [Rokh, Rokh - Anti-Gank Miner] Co-Processor II Co-Processor II Mining Laser Upgrade II Mining Laser Upgrade II Mining Laser Upgrade II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Survey Scanner II EM Ward Amplifier II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Modulated Deep Core Miner II Modulated Deep Core Miner II Modulated Deep Core Miner II Modulated Deep Core Miner II Modulated Deep Core Miner II Modulated Deep Core Miner II Modulated Deep Core Miner II Modulated Deep Core Miner II Large Core Defense Field Extender I Large Core Defense Field Extender I Large Core Defense Field Extender I Warrior II Mining Drone II
Zoloft Rx Forged Prophets 26	Posted - 2012.05.30 06:39:00 - [4] - Quote Zoe Athame wrote: [Rokh, Rokh - Anti-Gank Miner] Co-Processor II Co-Processor II Mining Laser Upgrade II Mining Laser Upgrade II Mining Laser Upgrade II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Survey Scanner II EM Ward Amplifier II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Modulated Deep Core Miner II Modulated Deep Core Miner II Modulated Deep Core Miner II Modulated Deep Core Miner II Modulated Deep Core Miner II Modulated Deep Core Miner II Modulated Deep Core Miner II Modulated Deep Core Miner II Large Core Defense Field Extender I Large Core Defense Field Extender I Large Core Defense Field Extender I Warrior II Mining Drone II FYI, this might stop a some solo ganks. But group ganks can pop orcas with ease... just saying.
Jonni Favorite Aliastra Gallente Federation 94	Posted - 2012.05.30 06:41:00 - [5] - Quote Richard Desturned wrote: Hey look some actual decent advice that doesn't have any gnashing of the teeth or "hulkageddon is irrelevant" nonsense props This. Play the game, react, don't rage quit or ***** and moan about the boogeyman. Fight fire with fire, it's a cruel universe out there!
Knight Cabbage Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire 0	Posted - 2012.05.30 06:41:00 - [6] - Quote Zoe Athame wrote: [Rokh, Rokh - Anti-Gank Miner] Co-Processor II Co-Processor II Mining Laser Upgrade II Mining Laser Upgrade II Mining Laser Upgrade II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Survey Scanner II EM Ward Amplifier II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Modulated Deep Core Miner II Modulated Deep Core Miner II Modulated Deep Core Miner II Modulated Deep Core Miner II Modulated Deep Core Miner II Modulated Deep Core Miner II Modulated Deep Core Miner II Modulated Deep Core Miner II Large Core Defense Field Extender I Large Core Defense Field Extender I Large Core Defense Field Extender I Warrior II Mining Drone II Does the m^3 per hour beat a covetor ? As far as I understand there are no goon sponsored prices on barge kills. You have a fair amount of gank clowns and killboard padders, but these are not a result of the hulkageddon.
seany1212 Zat's Affiliated Traders Originally Riotous Corps 171	Posted - 2012.05.30 06:43:00 - [7] - Quote LOL WUT? Also this thread is useless as while all viable intelligent tactics none of them can be performed afk
Tatjana Braun 35. Division Vera Cruz Alliance 5	Posted - 2012.05.30 06:48:00 - [8] - Quote For all High sec Miner: At 0.0, there is no Hulkageddon....
Knight Cabbage Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire 0	Posted - 2012.05.30 06:51:00 - [9] - Quote Tatjana Braun wrote: For all High sec Miner: At 0.0, there is no Hulkageddon.... Don't the kills there count, too ? High-sec gives one at least a warm fuzzy feeling seeing a thrasher explode....
Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 947	Posted - 2012.05.30 07:03:00 - [10] - Quote Knight Cabbage wrote: Tatjana Braun wrote: For all High sec Miner: At 0.0, there is no Hulkageddon.... Don't the kills there count, too ? High-sec gives one at least a warm fuzzy feeling seeing a thrasher explode.... Yes, they count as well I believe. It's a bit harder because we're expecting people to come and gank us, but if you manage to catch a hulk and point it, it's another kill for you. Make sure to post it up in GD so everyone can laugh at the nullsec miner that got caught by a ganker. P.S. Player-held nullsec, obviously. NPC null might be easier or harder to gank in, I don't know about there. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd
Pok Nibin Viziam Amarr Empire 184	Posted - 2012.05.30 07:05:00 - [11] - Quote Richard Desturned wrote: Hey look some actual decent advice that doesn't have any gnashing of the teeth or "hulkageddon is irrelevant" nonsense props Hulkageddon IS irrelevant. I once shot an irrelevant in my pajamas! How he got in my pajamas, I'll never know. Hulkageddon is the sort of activity dreamed up by bored people with no imagination - er...that's why they're bored. There's NO challenge to it. It requires NO remarkable skills. Hell, there's half a dozen "How-to for the beginners" on the interweb thingy. Admit it. You don't say things like this to show your intelligence. It's a lap dog thing for your handler, right? Always good to lick the master's hand. Props back atcha. Woof! Woof! <-------- Translation for Goons. Don't fight it.-á Rejoin your Amarrian patriarchs.-á You know you want to.
Marlona Sky Massive PVPness Psychotic Tendencies. 984	Posted - 2012.05.30 07:06:00 - [12] - Quote TheBig Bukowsky wrote: - Create your own Hisec Mining INTEL channel with information about suicide gankers. Each time you spot any of them, call their name and the system they're in. If you've been suicide ganked, report that too. - Add suicide gankers to your watchlist and warp-out as soon as they enter in local. - Consort with Hisec PVP corps and/or Mercenaries so they can wardec them in order to kill them before they may act. - Use logistics in your mining ops, fit ECM drones, tank your hulks, protect yourselves. - Distrust anyone warping to your bell. If you have no protection, report him in the Intel channel and warp out. - Make sure to recruite more miners and mining corps to your cause. The more you are the better. - Stop complaining, you're just feeding their egos and CCP won't help you. You're welcome. I have better advice: - Don't mine. See, far easier to remember. Remove local, structure mails and revamp the directional scanner!
Tatjana Braun 35. Division Vera Cruz Alliance 5	Posted - 2012.05.30 07:08:00 - [13] - Quote Knight Cabbage wrote: Tatjana Braun wrote: For all High sec Miner: At 0.0, there is no Hulkageddon.... Don't the kills there count, too ? High-sec gives one at least a warm fuzzy feeling seeing a thrasher explode.... High sec makes me paranoid. Hundret people in local and you don't no, are there enymies ore not... At 0.0, its sometime hard, but i know, whos my Friend and whos not.
Mallak Azaria xX-Crusader-Xx Luna Sanguinem 109	Posted - 2012.05.30 07:09:00 - [14] - Quote This could work but.... The spam in that channel would be far worse than Jita local. They'd be better off with no intel channel as they'd end up getting ganked from being distracted by it. Actually, this is a great idea. Please do it.
Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 948	Posted - 2012.05.30 07:17:00 - [15] - Quote Mallak Azaria wrote: This could work but.... The spam in that channel would be far worse than Jita local. They'd be better off with no intel channel as they'd end up getting ganked from being distracted by it. Actually, this is a great idea. Please do it. I'd join in really. And report all the reds I see when drifting about in highsec. (It's because tons of people joined wars against GSF, you see). Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd
Tatjana Braun 35. Division Vera Cruz Alliance 5	Posted - 2012.05.30 07:17:00 - [16] - Quote 500 Miner... Every miner macs 1 Call every 5 minute... 100 Intel calls per minute... Not That god...
Vyl Vit Cambio Enterprises 538	Posted - 2012.05.30 07:27:00 - [17] - Quote I heartily endorse this product (though I don't mine so take that for what you will.) I'd also add a dose of escort vessel. Hulkageddoneers don't like things that bite back. Anyone with any sense has already left town.
Richard Desturned GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 517	Posted - 2012.05.30 07:44:00 - [18] - Quote Pok Nibin wrote: Hulkageddon IS irrelevant. I once shot an irrelevant in my pajamas! How he got in my pajamas, I'll never know. Hulkageddon is the sort of activity dreamed up by bored people with no imagination - er...that's why they're bored. There's NO challenge to it. It requires NO remarkable skills. Hell, there's half a dozen "How-to for the beginners" on the interweb thingy. Admit it. You don't say things like this to show your intelligence. It's a lap dog thing for your handler, right? Always good to lick the master's hand. Props back atcha. Woof! Woof! <-------- Translation for Goons. That's why it owns because you get so mad about it eh
Jonni Favorite Aliastra Gallente Federation 95	Posted - 2012.05.30 09:10:00 - [19] - Quote Pok Nibin wrote: Richard Desturned wrote: Hey look some actual decent advice that doesn't have any gnashing of the teeth or "hulkageddon is irrelevant" nonsense props Hulkageddon IS irrelevant. I once shot an irrelevant in my pajamas! How he got in my pajamas, I'll never know. Hulkageddon is the sort of activity dreamed up by bored people with no imagination - er...that's why they're bored. There's NO challenge to it. It requires NO remarkable skills. Hell, there's half a dozen "How-to for the beginners" on the interweb thingy. Admit it. You don't say things like this to show your intelligence. It's a lap dog thing for your handler, right? Always good to lick the master's hand. Props back atcha. Woof! Woof! <-------- Translation for Goons. Could be that you're not seeing the forest for the trees. Not understanding someone's master plan does not make it faulty. Meanwhile I see another thread running in parallel: roleplayers complaining about the lack of storyline and here it is handed to you on a platter and all people can think about is ***** and moan. What more storyline do you need? Evil empire out to take over the universe, militarily and economically and instead of resisting, everyone ducks tail and runs. From where I sit this makes for perfect roleplay and adds spice to the game. There are options, you have power. What will you do with it?
Diana Valenti United Abominations. 31	Posted - 2012.05.30 09:53:00 - [20] - Quote I have nothing against popping high sec miners, but dont whine about ships prices after all.
Bunnie Hop Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic 147	Posted - 2012.05.30 10:01:00 - [21] - Quote Zoe Athame wrote: [Rokh, Rokh - Anti-Gank Miner] Co-Processor II Co-Processor II Mining Laser Upgrade II Mining Laser Upgrade II Mining Laser Upgrade II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Survey Scanner II EM Ward Amplifier II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Modulated Deep Core Miner II Modulated Deep Core Miner II Modulated Deep Core Miner II Modulated Deep Core Miner II Modulated Deep Core Miner II Modulated Deep Core Miner II Modulated Deep Core Miner II Modulated Deep Core Miner II Large Core Defense Field Extender I Large Core Defense Field Extender I Large Core Defense Field Extender I Warrior II Mining Drone II Endless cycle, miners adapt so that gankers can adapt..etc. Most of these miners also have paid for months of training time to fly their hulks with t2 crystals and strippers so now they are just supposed to walk away from that (paid) training time because CCP is letting the lunatics run the asylum. Why bother?
Cebraio Starfire Oasis 70	Posted - 2012.05.30 10:02:00 - [22] - Quote Tatjana Braun wrote: 500 Miner... Every miner macs 1 Call every 5 minute... 100 Intel calls per minute... Not That god... Just create multiple channels, named after regions: Like "GI_Lonetrek". (GI would stand for Gank Intel) Miners usually don't switch that much between regions, when mining.
Vaju Enki Secular Wisdom 102	Posted - 2012.05.30 10:53:00 - [23] - Quote Bunnie Hop wrote: Zoe Athame wrote: [Rokh, Rokh - Anti-Gank Miner] Endless cycle, miners adapt so that gankers can adapt..etc. Most of these miners also have paid for months of training time to fly their hulks with t2 crystals and strippers so now they are just supposed to walk away from that (paid) training time because CCP is letting the lunatics run the asylum. Why bother? Your the lunatic around here. If you don't like sandbox games, don't play them. This explains everything: WeGÇÖre seeing ever-more trash fits in EVE and GÇ£hey guyz i got blown up this is unpossibleGÇ¥ forum rage - signs that this kind of passive, ignorant, and entitled player is infecting the playerbase and beginning to make demands that CCP change the nature of EVE itself to accommodate their stupidity. To prevent EVE from becoming a PvP-optional themepark of the sort that coddles this shameful demographic, something must be done - the players who actually do participate in the EVE community must either educate these people about the nature of the game, or blow them up. Through education or violence, they must learn that EVEGÇÖs difficulty is what makes the game unique and worthwhile, rather than just another consequence-free PvP-optional themepark game. The Mittani If you want instant gratification, go stimulate your genitals. EvE is Hard, deal with it.
Bunnie Hop Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic 148	Posted - 2012.05.30 10:58:00 - [24] - Quote Vaju Enki wrote: Bunnie Hop wrote: Zoe Athame wrote: [Rokh, Rokh - Anti-Gank Miner] Endless cycle, miners adapt so that gankers can adapt..etc. Most of these miners also have paid for months of training time to fly their hulks with t2 crystals and strippers so now they are just supposed to walk away from that (paid) training time because CCP is letting the lunatics run the asylum. Why bother? Your the lunatic around here. If you don't like sandbox games, don't play them. This explains everything: WeGÇÖre seeing ever-more trash fits in EVE and GÇ£hey guyz i got blown up this is unpossibleGÇ¥ forum rage - signs that this kind of passive, ignorant, and entitled player is infecting the playerbase and beginning to make demands that CCP change the nature of EVE itself to accommodate their stupidity. To prevent EVE from becoming a PvP-optional themepark of the sort that coddles this shameful demographic, something must be done - the players who actually do participate in the EVE community must either educate these people about the nature of the game, or blow them up. Through education or violence, they must learn that EVEGÇÖs difficulty is what makes the game unique and worthwhile, rather than just another consequence-free PvP-optional themepark game. The Mittani Thank you for taking the time away from kissing the goons butt to respond, though I disagree.
Vaju Enki Secular Wisdom 102	Posted - 2012.05.30 11:04:00 - [25] - Quote Bunnie Hop wrote: Vaju Enki wrote: Bunnie Hop wrote: Zoe Athame wrote: [Rokh, Rokh - Anti-Gank Miner] Endless cycle, miners adapt so that gankers can adapt..etc. Most of these miners also have paid for months of training time to fly their hulks with t2 crystals and strippers so now they are just supposed to walk away from that (paid) training time because CCP is letting the lunatics run the asylum. Why bother? Your the lunatic around here. If you don't like sandbox games, don't play them. This explains everything: WeGÇÖre seeing ever-more trash fits in EVE and GÇ£hey guyz i got blown up this is unpossibleGÇ¥ forum rage - signs that this kind of passive, ignorant, and entitled player is infecting the playerbase and beginning to make demands that CCP change the nature of EVE itself to accommodate their stupidity. To prevent EVE from becoming a PvP-optional themepark of the sort that coddles this shameful demographic, something must be done - the players who actually do participate in the EVE community must either educate these people about the nature of the game, or blow them up. Through education or violence, they must learn that EVEGÇÖs difficulty is what makes the game unique and worthwhile, rather than just another consequence-free PvP-optional themepark game. The Mittani Thank you for taking the time away from kissing the goons butt to respond, though I disagree. Of course you disagree, you are the typical theme park mindset player. But guess what, EvE is not a theme park mmo. If you want instant gratification, go stimulate your genitals. EvE is Hard, deal with it.
Lin-Young Borovskova Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 72	Posted - 2012.05.30 11:04:00 - [26] - Quote TheBig Bukowsky wrote: - Create your own Hisec Mining INTEL channel with information about suicide gankers. Each time you spot any of them, call their name and the system they're in. If you've been suicide ganked, report that too. - Add suicide gankers to your watchlist and warp-out as soon as they enter in local. - Consort with Hisec PVP corps and/or Mercenaries so they can wardec them in order to kill them before they may act. - Use logistics in your mining ops, fit ECM drones, tank your hulks, protect yourselves. - Distrust anyone warping to your bell. If you have no protection, report him in the Intel channel and warp out. - Make sure to recruite more miners and mining corps to your cause. The more you are the better. - Stop complaining, you're just feeding their egos and CCP won't help you. You're welcome. A good Mercenary corp is not that expensive and they really want targets so use and abuse of those, now with the new wardec changes this is probably waste of isk, but it's not like CCP did that intendedly
Bunnie Hop Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic 148	Posted - 2012.05.30 11:08:00 - [27] - Quote Vaju Enki wrote: Bunnie Hop wrote: Vaju Enki wrote: Bunnie Hop wrote: Zoe Athame wrote: [Rokh, Rokh - Anti-Gank Miner] Endless cycle, miners adapt so that gankers can adapt..etc. Most of these miners also have paid for months of training time to fly their hulks with t2 crystals and strippers so now they are just supposed to walk away from that (paid) training time because CCP is letting the lunatics run the asylum. Why bother? Your the lunatic around here. If you don't like sandbox games, don't play them. This explains everything: WeGÇÖre seeing ever-more trash fits in EVE and GÇ£hey guyz i got blown up this is unpossibleGÇ¥ forum rage - signs that this kind of passive, ignorant, and entitled player is infecting the playerbase and beginning to make demands that CCP change the nature of EVE itself to accommodate their stupidity. To prevent EVE from becoming a PvP-optional themepark of the sort that coddles this shameful demographic, something must be done - the players who actually do participate in the EVE community must either educate these people about the nature of the game, or blow them up. Through education or violence, they must learn that EVEGÇÖs difficulty is what makes the game unique and worthwhile, rather than just another consequence-free PvP-optional themepark game. The Mittani Thank you for taking the time away from kissing the goons butt to respond, though I disagree. Of course you disagree, you are the typical theme park mindset player. But guess what, EvE is not a theme park mmo. I am not a miner, I used to PvP. What I oppose is one large alliance dictating the terms on which a game is going to be played and all the brainless wonders who cheer them on. Who is Mittani (other than a spoiled egocentric *******) to tell people how they will play Eve from now on? Alliances should be more limited in size so that no one wields as much power in the game. Furthermore, what in the hell is a theme park mmo?
OmniBeton OmniBeton Metatech 10	Posted - 2012.05.30 11:16:00 - [28] - Quote Bunnie Hop wrote: What I oppose is one large alliance dictating the terms on which a game is going to be played and all the brainless wonders who cheer them on. Who is Mittani (other than a spoiled egocentric *******) to tell people how they will play Eve from now on? Essentially this
Vaerah Vahrokha Vahrokh Consulting 998	Posted - 2012.05.30 11:18:00 - [29] - Quote Vaju Enki wrote: This explains everything: WeGÇÖre seeing ever-more trash fits in EVE and GÇ£hey guyz i got blown up this is unpossibleGÇ¥ forum rage - signs that this kind of passive, ignorant, and entitled player is infecting the playerbase and beginning to make demands that CCP change the nature of EVE itself to accommodate their stupidity. To prevent EVE from becoming a PvP-optional themepark of the sort that coddles this shameful demographic, something must be done - the players who actually do participate in the EVE community must either educate these people about the nature of the game, or blow them up. Through education or violence, they must learn that EVEGÇÖs difficulty is what makes the game unique and worthwhile, rather than just another consequence-free PvP-optional themepark game. The Mittani Lol the tirade! Did he hire James 315 to write those rants? Auditing \| Collateral holding and insurance \| Consulting \| PLEX for Good Charity Twitter channel
Vaju Enki Secular Wisdom 102	Posted - 2012.05.30 11:25:00 - [30] - Quote Bunnie Hop wrote: I am not a miner, I used to PvP. What I oppose is one large alliance dictating the terms on which a game is going to be played and all the brainless wonders who cheer them on. Who is Mittani (other than a spoiled egocentric *******) to tell people how they will play Eve from now on? Alliances should be more limited in size so that no one wields as much power in the game. Furthermore, what in the hell is a theme park mmo? I didn't say you where a miner, but the typical theme park mindset player. EvE Online is a Sandbox mmo, if you don't enjoy the genre, don't play it. If you want instant gratification, go stimulate your genitals. EvE is Hard, deal with it.
Roime Shiva Furnace Dead On Arrival Alliance 830	Posted - 2012.05.30 11:25:00 - [31] - Quote Bunnie Hop wrote: I am not a miner, I used to PvP. What I oppose is one large alliance dictating the terms on which a game is going to be played and all the brainless wonders who cheer them on. Who is Mittani (other than a spoiled egocentric *****) to tell people how they will play Eve from now on? Alliances should be more limited in size so that no one wields as much power in the game. Furthermore, what in the hell is a theme park mmo? The terms on which EVE Online is played have not changed. What causes you to rage is a player-driven, dynamic event. The Mittani is only telling people that Goons will pay 10mil isk for every exhumer they shoot. Gallente** - the choice of the interstellar gentleman
Bunnie Hop Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic 152	Posted - 2012.05.30 11:27:00 - [32] - Quote Vaju Enki wrote: Bunnie Hop wrote: I am not a miner, I used to PvP. What I oppose is one large alliance dictating the terms on which a game is going to be played and all the brainless wonders who cheer them on. Who is Mittani (other than a spoiled egocentric *******) to tell people how they will play Eve from now on? Alliances should be more limited in size so that no one wields as much power in the game. Furthermore, what in the hell is a theme park mmo? I didn't say you where a miner, but the typical theme park mindset player. EvE Online is a Sandbox mmo, if you don't enjoy the genre, don't play it. I obviously enjoy the genre, that doesn't mean I will join on the brain dead bandwagon and cheer as one narcissistic idiot ruins the game all to further his own alliances agenda.
Vaju Enki Secular Wisdom 103	Posted - 2012.05.30 11:35:00 - [33] - Quote Bunnie Hop wrote: Vaju Enki wrote: Bunnie Hop wrote: I am not a miner, I used to PvP. What I oppose is one large alliance dictating the terms on which a game is going to be played and all the brainless wonders who cheer them on. Who is Mittani (other than a spoiled egocentric *******) to tell people how they will play Eve from now on? Alliances should be more limited in size so that no one wields as much power in the game. Furthermore, what in the hell is a theme park mmo? I didn't say you where a miner, but the typical theme park mindset player. EvE Online is a Sandbox mmo, if you don't enjoy the genre, don't play it. I obviously enjoy the genre, that doesn't mean I will join on the brain dead bandwagon and cheer as one narcissistic idiot ruins the game all to further his own alliances agenda. No you don't ,it's obvious from your posts that you don't enjoy sandbox mmo's. You are either ignorant on this subject or you are fooling yourself. If you want instant gratification, go stimulate your genitals. EvE is Hard, deal with it.
Bunnie Hop Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic 152	Posted - 2012.05.30 11:37:00 - [34] - Quote Vaju Enki wrote: Bunnie Hop wrote: Vaju Enki wrote: Bunnie Hop wrote: I am not a miner, I used to PvP. What I oppose is one large alliance dictating the terms on which a game is going to be played and all the brainless wonders who cheer them on. Who is Mittani (other than a spoiled egocentric *******) to tell people how they will play Eve from now on? Alliances should be more limited in size so that no one wields as much power in the game. Furthermore, what in the hell is a theme park mmo? I didn't say you where a miner, but the typical theme park mindset player. EvE Online is a Sandbox mmo, if you don't enjoy the genre, don't play it. I obviously enjoy the genre, that doesn't mean I will join on the brain dead bandwagon and cheer as one narcissistic idiot ruins the game all to further his own alliances agenda. No you don't ,it's obvious from your posts that you don't enjoy sandbox mmo's. You are either ignorant on this subject or you are fooling yourself. Ah well thanks for clearing that up. Having played off and on (mostly on) since June 03' I really needed someone to come along and tell me I don't like the game.
Vaju Enki Secular Wisdom 104	Posted - 2012.05.30 11:39:00 - [35] - Quote Bunnie Hop wrote: Vaju Enki wrote: Bunnie Hop wrote: Vaju Enki wrote: Bunnie Hop wrote: I am not a miner, I used to PvP. What I oppose is one large alliance dictating the terms on which a game is going to be played and all the brainless wonders who cheer them on. Who is Mittani (other than a spoiled egocentric *******) to tell people how they will play Eve from now on? Alliances should be more limited in size so that no one wields as much power in the game. Furthermore, what in the hell is a theme park mmo? I didn't say you where a miner, but the typical theme park mindset player. EvE Online is a Sandbox mmo, if you don't enjoy the genre, don't play it. I obviously enjoy the genre, that doesn't mean I will join on the brain dead bandwagon and cheer as one narcissistic idiot ruins the game all to further his own alliances agenda. No you don't ,it's obvious from your posts that you don't enjoy sandbox mmo's. You are either ignorant on this subject or you are fooling yourself. Ah well thanks for clearing that up. Having played off and on (mostly on) since June 03' I really needed someone to come along and tell me I don't like the game. 9 years and you still don't understand the sandbox, this is just so very sad... If you want instant gratification, go stimulate your genitals. EvE is Hard, deal with it.
TarTar2050 PI Productions Incorporated 1	Posted - 2012.05.30 11:44:00 - [36] - Quote Marlona Sky wrote: TheBig Bukowsky wrote: - Create your own Hisec Mining INTEL channel with information about suicide gankers. Each time you spot any of them, call their name and the system they're in. If you've been suicide ganked, report that too. - Add suicide gankers to your watchlist and warp-out as soon as they enter in local. - Consort with Hisec PVP corps and/or Mercenaries so they can wardec them in order to kill them before they may act. - Use logistics in your mining ops, fit ECM drones, tank your hulks, protect yourselves. - Distrust anyone warping to your bell. If you have no protection, report him in the Intel channel and warp out. - Make sure to recruite more miners and mining corps to your cause. The more you are the better. - Stop complaining, you're just feeding their egos and CCP won't help you. You're welcome. I have better advice: - Don't mine. See, far easier to remember. I have some advice for you don't' buy ships that miners make and leave Eve...you guys are going keep pushing until the miners do form some mega concurrence and we all pay dearly for it. Oh wait they did and Hulkaggeddon is their first project...suckers!!!!!!!
Rengerel en Distel Amarr Science and Industry 104	Posted - 2012.05.30 11:46:00 - [37] - Quote Vaju Enki wrote: Bunnie Hop wrote: I am not a miner, I used to PvP. What I oppose is one large alliance dictating the terms on which a game is going to be played and all the brainless wonders who cheer them on. Who is Mittani (other than a spoiled egocentric *******) to tell people how they will play Eve from now on? Alliances should be more limited in size so that no one wields as much power in the game. Furthermore, what in the hell is a theme park mmo? I didn't say you where a miner, but the typical theme park mindset player. EvE Online is a Sandbox mmo, if you don't enjoy the genre, don't play it. You keep throwing out the sandbox term, while telling people they're playing the game wrong ...
Dheeradj Nurgle Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State 15	Posted - 2012.05.30 11:48:00 - [38] - Quote +1 for OP. And for the love of the Gate, learn to tank your Hulk....
Vaju Enki Secular Wisdom 104	Posted - 2012.05.30 11:54:00 - [39] - Quote Rengerel en Distel wrote: Vaju Enki wrote: Bunnie Hop wrote: I am not a miner, I used to PvP. What I oppose is one large alliance dictating the terms on which a game is going to be played and all the brainless wonders who cheer them on. Who is Mittani (other than a spoiled egocentric *******) to tell people how they will play Eve from now on? Alliances should be more limited in size so that no one wields as much power in the game. Furthermore, what in the hell is a theme park mmo? I didn't say you where a miner, but the typical theme park mindset player. EvE Online is a Sandbox mmo, if you don't enjoy the genre, don't play it. You keep throwing out the sandbox term, while telling people they're playing the game wrong ... What wrong with saying the truth? If you don't enjoy player-driven sandbox games, you shouldn't play them, unless you are a glutton for punishment. Some thing goes for theme park mmo's, if you don't enjoy "game on rails ride" type of experience, don't play them. If you want instant gratification, go stimulate your genitals. EvE is Hard, deal with it.
Julii Hakaari Hakaari Inc. 4	Posted - 2012.05.30 12:00:00 - [40] - Quote No. What high sec miner should do is fight back. It's not that hard bunching together a lot of mining corporations within one alliance and utilize this power to declare war on those whom threatens the will of high sec miners. Listen, listen, listen! This is not a hard thing to do! No matter what we think about GSF and their allies, they have this power to dictate because they took it - and you can take it too; their liberty is not greater than yours. Imagine the feeling of you and your 200 high sec miners paying a visit to a local 50 man corporation with another 130 in their pirate alliance; imagine the feeling when you stand victorious on the battlefield filled with frozen corpses - and the pirates are pirates no more. But, yeah, sure. I guess a chat works too. "Completely un-phased? You think I'm totally lacking in any phasing? The idea that I'm anything less than half-phased I actually find offensive. It greatly phases me."
Sarton Wells Blackmoon Ltd. 4	Posted - 2012.05.30 12:13:00 - [41] - Quote Bunnie Hop wrote: I obviously enjoy the genre You obviously don't. By definition the genre promotes such events as hulkageddon. If you enjoy the genre then you'd applaud what the goons are doing. I'm a part-time miner. I've lost a couple covetors, I've found a way to mine relatively safely and now I don't lose covetors. People don't whine because they can't mine in hulks. People whine because they don't want to put any effort when mining in hulks. And some people whine because they like to whine.
Lustralis Tiny Holdings 8	Posted - 2012.05.30 12:17:00 - [42] - Quote Sarton Wells wrote: People don't whine because they can't mine in hulks. People whine because they don't want to put any effort when mining in hulks. And some people whine because they like to whine. Effort? Have you ever mined in a Hulk? All that dragging and dropping, swapping crystals and so on is a giant pain in the buttox. Here's my solution to staying safe when mining: (1) Buy large grav sites from explorers in high-sec so at least you need to be probed out. (2) Invite concord to come and visit as quite often I'm randomly attacked by a player called Vaguely Annoying. (1)(a) Make sure you aren't buying the large grav BM from an alt of the very people who want to gank you (trust!) (2)(a) Vaguely Annoying loses sec every time he attacks anyone with his civilian gatling laz0r. That is all.
Ned Black Driders 27	Posted - 2012.05.30 12:18:00 - [43] - Quote Tatjana Braun wrote: Knight Cabbage wrote: Tatjana Braun wrote: For all High sec Miner: At 0.0, there is no Hulkageddon.... Don't the kills there count, too ? High-sec gives one at least a warm fuzzy feeling seeing a thrasher explode.... High sec makes me paranoid. Hundret people in local and you don't no, are there enymies ore not... At 0.0, its sometime hard, but i know, whos my Friend and whos not. Which is EXACTLY why local should be removed in nullsec. If you are in high risk space then there really should be high risk if you want to do just about anything... not like the current PvE heaven nullspace really is. What they should do is Remove local so that the nullbears can actually feel the fear of being ganked... as an added bonus that would fix the AFK cloaker problem as well. Suddenly you would have to fear the active cloaker and not the one that is AFK. Remove automatic mails about POS/SOV structures being attacked. If you dont have people present that can detect the activity you should be able to sneak around and smash whoever in their faces. Remove automatic mails about hostile POSes being put in place. Suddenly you nullbears would have to experience a bit of that risk and no safe place in eve you love to talk about... but for some strange reason you never seem to like any idea that makes YOUR risk any greater... very strange... Julii Hakaari wrote: No. What high sec miner should do is fight back. It's not that hard bunching together a lot of mining corporations within one alliance and utilize this power to declare war on those whom threatens the will of high sec miners. Listen, listen, listen! This is not a hard thing to do! No matter what we think about GSF and their allies, they have this power to dictate because they took it - and you can take it too; their liberty is not greater than yours. Imagine the feeling of you and your 200 high sec miners paying a visit to a local 50 man corporation with another 130 in their pirate alliance; imagine the feeling when you stand victorious on the battlefield filled with frozen corpses - and the pirates are pirates no more. But, yeah, sure. I guess a chat works too. Ehhh... declaring war on GSF or any other major 0.0 alliance would be kind of stupid really... I always like guerilla warfare much better... what they should do is to go out into nullsec en masse, spread out all over and sit AFK cloaked for weeks on end just to **** the locals off. Basicly shut down more or less all PvE content in nullsec. Oh, someone doing PI... kill their hauler and cloak up... We can see the amount of tears a single AFK cloaker can produce... imagin thousands of them.... Im not even sure I can imagine the amount of nullbear tears that would cause... Not to mention the amount of "NERF AFK CLOAKING!!!1!!1!1!" threads in this forum.
Bunnie Hop Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic 153	Posted - 2012.05.30 12:20:00 - [44] - Quote Sarton Wells wrote: Bunnie Hop wrote: I obviously enjoy the genre You obviously don't. By definition the genre promotes such events as hulkageddon. If you enjoy the genre then you'd applaud what the goons are doing. I'm a part-time miner. I've lost a couple covetors, I've found a way to mine relatively safely and now I don't lose covetors. People don't whine because they can't mine in hulks. People whine because they don't want to put any effort when mining in hulks. And some people whine because they like to whine. Hulkageddon as an event was good, but not as a nonstop feature. It is funny how anyone who has an opposing idea on this forum is labeled as a whiner.
Lustralis Tiny Holdings 8	Posted - 2012.05.30 12:22:00 - [45] - Quote Bunnie Hop wrote: Hulkageddon as an event was good, but not as a nonstop feature. It is funny how anyone who has an opposing idea on this forum is labeled as a whiner. It's fun for a month, but continuing it indefinitely is kind-of like that annoying little ***** who keeps telling the same joke over and over. It's just not funny any more. I'm guessing if it does continue then CCP will have to make some changes to better protect miners.
Vaerah Vahrokha Vahrokh Consulting 999	Posted - 2012.05.30 12:27:00 - [46] - Quote Ned Black wrote: What they should do is Remove local so that the nullbears can actually feel the fear of being ganked... as an added bonus that would fix the AFK cloaker problem as well. Suddenly you would have to fear the active cloaker and not the one that is AFK. Remove automatic mails about POS/SOV structures being attacked. If you dont have people present that can detect the activity you should be able to sneak around and smash whoever in their faces. Remove automatic mails about hostile POSes being put in place. No way it'll happen. They want hi sec to become like a giant Amamake but you will be burned on a stake if you propose their home to become more dangerous than 1.0 sec. Auditing \| Collateral holding and insurance \| Consulting \| PLEX for Good Charity Twitter channel
Vaerah Vahrokha Vahrokh Consulting 999	Posted - 2012.05.30 12:30:00 - [47] - Quote Julii Hakaari wrote: No. What high sec miner should do is fight back. It's not that hard bunching together a lot of mining corporations within one alliance and utilize this power to declare war on those whom threatens the will of high sec miners. Listen, listen, listen! This is not a hard thing to do! No matter what we think about GSF and their allies, they have this power to dictate because they took it - and you can take it too; their liberty is not greater than yours. They own the moons, they provide the very T2 mineral your ship is made of. You have a bunch of low SP noobs only trained in industry skills. Some of GS even work in CCP now. And you pretend to fight back? Good luck. Had it been the past, that is when you faced a 10 men hi sec PvP corp, then you could fight back. But you can't fight vs 10000 who already won EvE. Those who could be a treat like BoB and similar gave up and quit. Auditing \| Collateral holding and insurance \| Consulting \| PLEX for Good Charity Twitter channel
Starsplash The Red Circle Inc. 0	Posted - 2012.05.30 12:31:00 - [48] - Quote I dont mind tolerating this for a month or even 2, but permanent? This games isn't that fun, but still interesting enough to keep playing as long as I can afford the plex. Really man... if you wanna pvp, thats what nullsec/low sec and Wh space is for.
Malphilos State War Academy Caldari State 50	Posted - 2012.05.30 12:32:00 - [49] - Quote Richard Desturned wrote: ... "hulkageddon is irrelevant" nonsense This, against the OP's last point, made me grin. Behold the underlying truth.
HVAC Repairman GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 84	Posted - 2012.05.30 12:34:00 - [50] - Quote if you check the "have you played eve before?" box in the CCP application and do a followup check in the hi-sec mining category it automatically disqualifies you for every job avvailable except custodial service it would be p. cool if the CCP janitors have net nicknames too
Julii Hakaari Hakaari Inc. 5	Posted - 2012.05.30 12:36:00 - [51] - Quote Ned Black wrote: Ehhh... declaring war on GSF or any other major 0.0 alliance would be kind of stupid really... I always like guerilla warfare much better... what they should do is to go out into nullsec en masse, spread out all over and sit AFK cloaked for weeks on end just to ** the locals off. Basicly shut down more or less all PvE content in nullsec. Oh, someone doing PI... kill their hauler and cloak up... We can see the amount of tears a single AFK cloaker can produce... imagin thousands of them.... Im not even sure I can imagine the amount of nullbear tears that would cause... Not to mention the amount of "NERF AFK CLOAKING!!!1!!1!1!" threads in this forum. I of course didn't mean declaring war on GSF; that will come in due time. I'm talking about declaring war on those poor enough to hunt down 10 hulks to get 100m. Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:** They own the moons, they provide the very T2 mineral your ship is made of. You have a bunch of low SP noobs only trained in industry skills. Some of GS even work in CCP now. And you pretend to fight back? Good luck. Had it been the past, that is a 10 men hi sec PvP corp, then you could fight back. But you can't fight vs 10000 who already won EvE. Those who could be a treat like BoB and similar gave up and quit. You don't fight GSF. You fight the pirate corporations who licks their asses as if they were made of gold. Or you do like me and move to a wormhole where the mining, the PI, the rats and the Russians all loot better than high sec. The point of my post was to make you understand that your freedom is not half as limited by goons as it is by yourself. You have a lot of angry miners and you think you can't build an alliance, make them train pvp-skills for 60- 80 days, and then fight back? Are. You. Kidding. Me? "Completely un-phased? You think I'm totally lacking in any phasing? The idea that I'm anything less than half-phased I actually find offensive. It greatly phases me."
Sarton Wells Blackmoon Ltd. 4	Posted - 2012.05.30 12:39:00 - [52] - Quote Lustralis wrote: (1) Buy large grav sites from explorers in high-sec so at least you need to be probed out. (2) Invite concord to come and visit as quite often I'm randomly attacked by a player called Vaguely Annoying. (1)(a) Make sure you aren't buying the large grav BM from an alt of the very people who want to gank you (trust!) (2)(a) Vaguely Annoying loses sec every time he attacks anyone with his civilian gatling laz0r. That is all. And most people don't bother doing even that. Which is why I said they don't want to put any effort when mining in a hulk. Quote: Hulkageddon as an event was good, but not as a nonstop feature. It is funny how anyone who has an opposing idea on this forum is labeled as a whiner. An event doesn't need to have a certain time limit. It could go on for years. That's why eve is a great game. When an event that disrupts leveling activity happens in, say, WoW, what do people do? Whine about it. And Blizzard cuts the event short. When the same thing happens in eve people learn to live with it and that makes for a better experience playing the game.
Vaerah Vahrokha Vahrokh Consulting 999	Posted - 2012.05.30 12:42:00 - [53] - Quote Julii Hakaari wrote: You don't fight GSF. You fight the pirate corporations who licks their asses as if they were made of gold. You kill one, 10 more will come, like the herds of zombies in class B movies. Julii Hakaari wrote: Or you do like me and move to a wormhole where the mining, the PI, the rats and the Russians all loot better than high sec. The point of my post was to make you understand that your freedom is not half as limited by goons as it is by yourself. You have a lot of angry miners and you think you can't build an alliance, make them train pvp-skills for 60- 80 days, and then fight back? Are. You. Kidding. Me? I have been both in 0.0 and in WHs. I don't have the time for neither any more. Nor I care enough about EvE to fight the David against Goliath thing. If I had to choose between having to change my playstyle and quitting EvE, I would do the latter even today. I'll play their sandbox the day they pay my subs. Auditing \| Collateral holding and insurance \| Consulting \| PLEX for Good Charity Twitter channel
Julii Hakaari Hakaari Inc. 5	Posted - 2012.05.30 12:50:00 - [54] - Quote Vaerah Vahrokha wrote: You kill one, 10 more will come, like the herds of zombies in class B movies. Fighting back is never about winning; it's about fighting for a cause. Imagine WW2 with the resistance groups within Germany. Do you think they thought they could win? Of course not, but they fought back because they had a cause to fight for. The same principle can be applied here. Do you believe you have the right to play the game your way? Then do it! Don't ask favors from God (or CCP) because even if God would give you said favors, it would feel much better if you got these favors yourself. It's the dream we fight for; that we have a birthright to claim a certain part of New Eden. I don't usually say this because it's not a valid argument, but if your play-style is a style which relies on complete safety from gankers, then EVE isn't a game for you. I do recommend Entropia Universe which with its RCE-economy and pve-content is a valid substitute to EVE. "Completely un-phased? You think I'm totally lacking in any phasing? The idea that I'm anything less than half-phased I actually find offensive. It greatly phases me."
Malphilos State War Academy Caldari State 50	Posted - 2012.05.30 13:08:00 - [55] - Quote Vaju Enki wrote: This explains everything: WeGÇÖre seeing ever-more trash fits in EVE and GÇ£hey guyz i got blown up this is unpossibleGÇ¥ forum rage -... That's quite the unsupported assertion there. The kind of idea you found a religion around. Gotta have faith!
TheBig Bukowsky Republic University Minmatar Republic 17	Posted - 2012.05.30 13:10:00 - [56] - Quote Updated with some starting steps until any involved bloke would want to take over this.
TheBig Bukowsky Republic University Minmatar Republic 17	Posted - 2012.05.30 13:13:00 - [57] - Quote Also, this isn't a thread about Gankers vs miners, this is about helping them to stand up and use the tools they have to get over this situation.
March rabbit Trojan Trolls Red Alliance 182	Posted - 2012.05.30 13:36:00 - [58] - Quote Bunnie Hop wrote: What I oppose is one large alliance dictating the terms on which a game is going to be played and all the brainless wonders who cheer them on. Who is Mittani (other than a spoiled egocentric *******) to tell people how they will play Eve from now on? Alliances should be more limited in size so that no one wields as much power in the game. lol i recall threads with names like 'what is chinese Eve Online server like?" full of stories about "1 huge alliance rules whole universe, RMTs and farms rare independent players"...... I won't speak about goons and RMT but all other "facts" sounds like people speaks about Eve Online 2013....
Darth Tickles Dark Sun Consortium 509	Posted - 2012.05.30 13:43:00 - [59] - Quote You'll have to excuse VV. He's mentally unbalanced. I'm not sure how he escaped the MD forum, but we're doing our best to get him back there using humane methods.
Thalen Draganos Thunderwaffe Goonswarm Federation 5	Posted - 2012.05.30 13:50:00 - [60] - Quote Ned Black wrote: [quote=Tatjana Braun] Which is EXACTLY why local should be removed in nullsec. If you are in high risk space then there really should be high risk if you want to do just about anything... not like the current PvE heaven nullspace really is. What they should do is Remove local so that the nullbears can actually feel the fear of being ganked... as an added bonus that would fix the AFK cloaker problem as well. Suddenly you would have to fear the active cloaker and not the one that is AFK. Remove automatic mails about POS/SOV structures being attacked. If you dont have people present that can detect the activity you should be able to sneak around and smash whoever in their faces. Remove automatic mails about hostile POSes being put in place. Suddenly you nullbears would have to experience a bit of that risk and no safe place in eve you love to talk about... but for some strange reason you never seem to like any idea that makes YOUR risk any greater... very strange... . One thing I think you may have missed is that things like hulkageddon aren't restricted by high sec, low sec, or even null sec. It's an impartial event that everyone everywhere can take part in. Either by doing the killing or doing the exploding. Safety in Eve is no different. Aside from concord to do the bit of policing that it does, It is up to the players to ensure either their own safety or the safety of others regardless of where you are. Local chat is merely a tool that people can use to ensure that safety. So, if you remove it from null sec, you should remove it for every part of space. That way the risk is the same. Basically, the only difference between high sec, low sec or null sec is the presence of concord, gate/station guns and sec status hits to the players. Otherwise your in the same situation where, regardless of what your doing, you should always be looking over your shoulder or watching local as it were. So don't be stupid and think that the risk is different in any other part of space in any other way than the amount of players in it.
Ptraci 3 R Corporation The Irukandji 516	Posted - 2012.05.30 13:51:00 - [61] - Quote Zoe Athame wrote: [Rokh, Rokh - Anti-Gank Miner] Co-Processor II Co-Processor II Mining Laser Upgrade II Mining Laser Upgrade II Mining Laser Upgrade II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Survey Scanner II EM Ward Amplifier II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Modulated Deep Core Miner II Modulated Deep Core Miner II Modulated Deep Core Miner II Modulated Deep Core Miner II Modulated Deep Core Miner II Modulated Deep Core Miner II Modulated Deep Core Miner II Modulated Deep Core Miner II Large Core Defense Field Extender I Large Core Defense Field Extender I Large Core Defense Field Extender I Warrior II Mining Drone II Yup let's see you mine ice in that thing.
masren New Eden Logistics Detrimental Imperative 0	Posted - 2012.05.30 14:19:00 - [62] - Quote why dont ccg give us a battle hulk/mack so we can fight back while we wait for concord to kick the stupid gankers who are too scared to find a proper fight in 0.0. empire should be safeish for players who want to mine this is a form of greafing and if its not stopped i for one will find another game as i think a lot will. another idea is to make hulk/macks with a large tank to give us a chance, why is it allways pvp sided if you want to pvp go to 0.0
Fred Lodenstane Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 9	Posted - 2012.05.30 14:24:00 - [63] - Quote You know, the op made a really good point about how you can safely mine in highsec. Just about every one of his ideas would work too, though the intel channels would probably have to be separated by regions to be effective as someone else pointed out. This is how people tend to mine in null too, when mining does happen there, and it works against many small roaming gangs out there.Despite these suggestions being so good though, everyone else seems to be raging about goons in some form, or pretending to not be mad or something. If you're going to do that then make your own thread, don't ruin this person's good idea. I'd love to see some actual player-driven change come out of hulkageddon. I may even visit highsec with my main again if it becomes less rotten.
Virgil Travis GWA Corp Unified Church of the Unobligated 244	Posted - 2012.05.30 14:25:00 - [64] - Quote masren wrote: why dont ccg give us a battle hulk/mack so we can fight back while we wait for concord to kick the stupid gankers who are too scared to find a proper fight in 0.0. empire should be safeish for players who want to mine this is a form of greafing and if its not stopped i for one will find another game as i think a lot will. another idea is to make hulk/macks with a large tank to give us a chance, why is it allways pvp sided if you want to pvp go to 0.0 And they wonder why... If the Sims all became zombies it would be easy to escape them, just shove them in a room and make them answer the telephone.
Pinstar Colton Sweet Asteroid Acres 100	Posted - 2012.05.30 14:27:00 - [65] - Quote Mine in low sec Seriously. You are slightly safer there. Your exhumer is liable to be ganked in both high or low sec. However, pirates looking to reap hulkageddon bounties are looking in high sec for miners, not low. Not to mention that the hulkageddon conditions specify "10 exhumers killed in high sec space will earn you 100m in bounties" meaning those in low don't count. The availability of slightly rarer ore is just a cherry on top. Oh, and if your have protection, your bodyguards can shoot would-be gankers first in low sec, before they have a chance to engage you (unlike in high sec). Alternatively, mine in retrievers/Covetors. Hulkageddon pirates don't get bounty credit for popping those and the value of the loot that you drop is much less. Not only is it cheaper to replace a mining barge, some pirates might not even bother with you if they don't think you're worth the sec status hit. I don't make minerals. I just make ore 20% cooler.
Jorma Morkkis State War Academy Caldari State 64	Posted - 2012.05.30 14:27:00 - [66] - Quote Zoe Athame wrote: [Rokh, Rokh - Anti-Gank Miner] Co-Processor II Co-Processor II Mining Laser Upgrade II Mining Laser Upgrade II Mining Laser Upgrade II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Survey Scanner II EM Ward Amplifier II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Modulated Deep Core Miner II Modulated Deep Core Miner II Modulated Deep Core Miner II Modulated Deep Core Miner II Modulated Deep Core Miner II Modulated Deep Core Miner II Modulated Deep Core Miner II Modulated Deep Core Miner II Large Core Defense Field Extender I Large Core Defense Field Extender I Large Core Defense Field Extender I Warrior II Mining Drone II Can be ganked. If someone disagrees post video on Youtube as a proof it can't be done. If someone agrees post video on Youtube as a proof it can be done. Preferably in 1.0 space.
Jori McKie Friends Of Harassment 21	Posted - 2012.05.30 14:45:00 - [67] - Quote Jorma Morkkis wrote: Zoe Athame wrote: [Rokh, Rokh - Anti-Gank Miner] FIT Can be ganked. If someone disagrees post video on Youtube as a proof it can't be done. If someone agrees post video on Youtube as a proof it can be done. Preferably in 1.0 space. Dude you don't get it. Anything can be ganked no matter how hard you tank it but that is not the point of mining in a Rokh. The point is it will be no easy gank nor a profitable gank.
Holice Mimzar Animosity-guild The Brotherhood. 0	Posted - 2012.05.30 14:45:00 - [68] - Quote Starsplash wrote: Really man... if you wanna pvp, thats what nullsec/low sec and Wh space is for. But that is far too difficult for the people who participate in this. The same people who claim that mining is easy mode and for carebears are the ones who are doubling or tripling up on defenseless miners. Does it get much easier than that? For all the supposed hardcore pvp that goes on in null sec, there sure are an awful lot of "hardcore pvpers" spending their time in high sec killing miners. I don't fault them for it thou, its easy money from GS, and costs them next to nothing to do with barely any penalties. The security hits either don't phase them or they just use alts who they don't care about. It's really just CCP's fault for not providing engaging enough opportunities and fun in low sec and null sec, that they are forced occupy themselves in high sec. And as far as it being good for the economy, there are more than enough ships being destroyed in null/low sec and by new players losing ships in missions for the economy to fair just fine. Not too mention the millions of rounds of ammunition that constantly needs to be replaced in high and low sec, the modules in low sec, and the newer players buying ships they have just trained for. So if you do enjoy H5, just say its because you love preying on innocent players, who either lack the knowledge to know how to help themselves or are too stupid to realize what is going on. Don't use excuses about how its good for the game and good for the economy, because the game and the economy were just fine before these events, they were fine between these events, and will still be fine in the future.
Jorma Morkkis State War Academy Caldari State 64	Posted - 2012.05.30 15:42:00 - [69] - Quote Jori McKie wrote: Dude you don't get it. Anything can be ganked no matter how hard you tank it but that is not the point of mining in a Rokh. The point is it will be no easy gank nor a profitable gank. - My point exactly - You just ruined my evil plan to get some idiots to gank 200 mil isk hull with 1+ bil worth of Tornadoes. So thank you sir.
Barbara Nichole Cryogenic Consultancy Black Sun Alliance 175	Posted - 2012.05.30 15:44:00 - [70] - Quote Richard Desturned wrote: Hey look some actual decent advice that doesn't have any gnashing of the teeth or "hulkageddon is irrelevant" nonsense props that doesn't mean hulkageddon is relevant.... [IMG]http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a208/DawnFrostbringer/OldST.jpg[/IMG]
Vaerah Vahrokha Vahrokh Consulting 1004	Posted - 2012.05.30 15:51:00 - [71] - Quote Julii Hakaari wrote: Vaerah Vahrokha wrote: You kill one, 10 more will come, like the herds of zombies in class B movies. Fighting back is never about winning; it's about fighting for a cause. Imagine WW2 with the resistance groups within Germany. Do you think they thought they could win? Of course not, but they fought back because they had a cause to fight for. The same principle can be applied here. Do you believe you have the right to play the game your way? Then do it! Don't ask favors from God (or CCP) because even if God would give you said favors, it would feel much better if you got these favors yourself. It's the dream we fight for; that we have a birthright to claim a certain part of New Eden. I don't usually say this because it's not a valid argument, but if your play-style is a style which relies on complete safety from gankers, then EVE isn't a game for you. I do recommend Entropia Universe which with its RCE-economy and pve-content is a valid substitute to EVE. First of all WW2 is a serious thing and associating it with a game is a bit too far. Second, I think a number of people in this game, for some reason, make it so important for them that it takes priority on whatever. For many others, expecially past a certain age and maturity, a video game is the last of the last of the last of the things to spend their energies on. EvE is not worth making your blood pressure rise, it's just a game. Sure it's epic, and big and you can have a good time but in the end it's just a game. This is why some believe it's worth pouring in whatever energies just to rise their head above the mud, and will go to great lengths doing what they hate just to hope and achieve some long term objective. The others? Won't bother. Call it laziness or whatever, it's an entertrainment and some have all of 10 minutes a day to get their little slice of it. Example: I like to do X. I have limited time to do X. I also like doing Y, but today I am not in the mood or I just don't have the time for it. The current dominant groupthink believes and imposes on everybody that you must do Y or die. They will concede you to do X but first - like a medicine - you must do Y. Now, despite I actually like Y, I have a rebel nature so if I am imposed Y I will just tell them to GTFO by principle. Being imposed a whole propaganda, a whole constant hammering and brainwashing is not what I pay a game for. I get this garbage for free every day in RL just by turning on the television or reading a newspaper. As for the safety off gankers, it's hard for them to get me in Jita IV. I still risk about 10 billions per trade (see my website for logs, screen shots etc), which is a bit more than their expendable and now groupthink subsidized 2M ship. When I am out of Jita I am in an Hurricane or Drake (I have several alts specced in different faction ships) roaming in The Forge seeking for -10 people to kill and assisting a mercs corp. I have just 30 minutes a day to do so though, I can't change that. I am sure the two paragraphs above clearly indicate that I am not risk averse, but groupthink averse. Auditing \| Collateral holding and insurance \| Consulting \| PLEX for Good Charity Twitter channel
Natsett Amuinn GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 23	Posted - 2012.05.30 15:51:00 - [72] - Quote Pok Nibin wrote: Richard Desturned wrote: Hey look some actual decent advice that doesn't have any gnashing of the teeth or "hulkageddon is irrelevant" nonsense props Hulkageddon IS irrelevant. I once shot an irrelevant in my pajamas! How he got in my pajamas, I'll never know. Hulkageddon is the sort of activity dreamed up by bored people with no imagination - er...that's why they're bored. There's NO challenge to it. It requires NO remarkable skills. Hell, there's half a dozen "How-to for the beginners" on the interweb thingy. Admit it. You don't say things like this to show your intelligence. It's a lap dog thing for your handler, right? Always good to lick the master's hand. Props back atcha. Woof! Woof! <-------- Translation for Goons. You're like, super smart, and said stuff. Now stop eating your own crap.
DrWilsonPhD Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State 0	Posted - 2012.05.30 15:55:00 - [73] - Quote Zoe Athame wrote: [Rokh, Rokh - Anti-Gank Miner] Co-Processor II Co-Processor II Mining Laser Upgrade II Mining Laser Upgrade II Mining Laser Upgrade II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Survey Scanner II EM Ward Amplifier II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Modulated Deep Core Miner II Modulated Deep Core Miner II Modulated Deep Core Miner II Modulated Deep Core Miner II Modulated Deep Core Miner II Modulated Deep Core Miner II Modulated Deep Core Miner II Modulated Deep Core Miner II Large Core Defense Field Extender I Large Core Defense Field Extender I Large Core Defense Field Extender I Warrior II Mining Drone II Ore yield per minute is greater than the Rokh's cargo space... To use effectively, you'd need to stagger activations and make sure you move ore to a can constantly and in a timely fashion. Finally... Mining is more exciting!
Vaerah Vahrokha Vahrokh Consulting 1004	Posted - 2012.05.30 15:56:00 - [74] - Quote Darth Tickles wrote: You'll have to excuse VV. He's mentally unbalanced. I'm not sure how he escaped the MD forum, but we're doing our best to get him back there using humane methods. Those who think outside of the crowd are always seen as unbalanced. Unlike what I posted above, thinking outside of the crowd is worth fighting and even dying for. Auditing \| Collateral holding and insurance \| Consulting \| PLEX for Good Charity Twitter channel
Lucy Ferrr Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic 37	Posted - 2012.05.30 15:57:00 - [75] - Quote This won't work I don't think because miners are dumb... I've tried warning some of the locals in the system I afk mine when I saw gankers. They didn't accept my convo, and ignored my mail. I went out to the belt in a shuttle and watched their hulks get ganked.
Vaerah Vahrokha Vahrokh Consulting 1005	Posted - 2012.05.30 15:59:00 - [76] - Quote Thalen Draganos wrote: Safety in Eve is no different. Aside from concord to do the bit of policing that it does, It is up to the players to ensure either their own safety or the safety of others regardless of where you are. Local chat is merely a tool that people can use to ensure that safety. So, if you remove it from null sec, you should remove it for every part of space. That way the risk is the same. Basically, the only difference between high sec, low sec or null sec is the presence of concord, gate/station guns and sec status hits to the players. Otherwise your in the same situation where, regardless of what your doing, you should always be looking over your shoulder or watching local as it were. So don't be stupid and think that the risk is different in any other part of space in any other way than the amount of players in it. This will fly the day I can scan 10/10 in hi sec, I can find ABC roids, 15k LP missions and I can kill whatever tosser shoots at my out of corp friends. Until then, hi sec has less reward so it's worth less effort. Auditing \| Collateral holding and insurance \| Consulting \| PLEX for Good Charity Twitter channel
Vaerah Vahrokha Vahrokh Consulting 1005	Posted - 2012.05.30 16:02:00 - [77] - Quote Fred Lodenstane wrote: You know, the op made a really good point about how you can safely mine in highsec. Can you ice mine in a Rokh? Auditing \| Collateral holding and insurance \| Consulting \| PLEX for Good Charity Twitter channel
TheBig Bukowsky Republic University Minmatar Republic 22	Posted - 2012.05.30 18:37:00 - [78] - Quote Updated with some valuable information.
Vaerah Vahrokha Vahrokh Consulting 1010	Posted - 2012.05.30 21:42:00 - [79] - Quote Julii Hakaari wrote: Vaerah Vahrokha wrote: You kill one, 10 more will come, like the herds of zombies in class B movies. Fighting back is never about winning; it's about fighting for a cause. Imagine WW2 with the resistance groups within Germany. Do you think they thought they could win? Of course not, but they fought back because they had a cause to fight for. The same principle can be applied here. Do you believe you have the right to play the game your way? Then do it! Don't ask favors from God (or CCP) because even if God would give you said favors, it would feel much better if you got these favors yourself. It's the dream we fight for; that we have a birthright to claim a certain part of New Eden. I don't usually say this because it's not a valid argument, but if your play-style is a style which relies on complete safety from gankers, then EVE isn't a game for you. I do recommend Entropia Universe which with its RCE-economy and pve-content is a valid substitute to EVE. You know what? I looked at this Entropia game and it has one kind of PVP where you die and lose items costed real cash. Looks harsher than EvE. But what hit me - an EvE and RL trader - is the fact you can gain real money. Now, I always found getting e-rich very easy but also quite pointless since you can't "redeem" the ISK into RL cash. Entropia seems to have that. I am definitely going to see this game... Auditing \| Collateral holding and insurance \| Consulting \| PLEX for Good Charity Twitter channel
Karn Dulake Souls Must Be Trampled The.Alliance 823	Posted - 2012.05.30 21:54:00 - [80] - Quote OP this is a nice idea but im sorry ill have to **** on your parade. When setting up something like this always look for the weaknesses I join HMining INTEL with an alt and it give me perfect intel to where all the mining ships are at the moment. Gank heaven and no work. One its been infiltrated no one will use it. I dont normally troll, but when i do i do it on General Discussion.
TheBig Bukowsky Republic University Minmatar Republic 24	Posted - 2012.05.31 06:00:00 - [81] - Quote Karn Dulake wrote: OP this is a nice idea but im sorry ill have to **** on your parade. When setting up something like this always look for the weaknesses I join HMining INTEL with an alt and it give me perfect intel to where all the mining ships are at the moment. Gank heaven and no work. One its been infiltrated no one will use it. Not really. It's not for calling where are the miners but where and who are the suicide gankers. But I see that by saying where are the gankers we may expose the miners... if only not miners but friendly scouts could report too that problem would be solved.
RAP ACTION HERO 29	Posted - 2012.05.31 06:11:00 - [82] - Quote TheBig Bukowsky wrote: Karn Dulake wrote: OP this is a nice idea but im sorry ill have to **** on your parade. When setting up something like this always look for the weaknesses I join HMining INTEL with an alt and it give me perfect intel to where all the mining ships are at the moment. Gank heaven and no work. One its been infiltrated no one will use it. Not really. It's not for calling where are the miners but where and who are the suicide gankers. But I see that by saying where are the gankers we may expose the miners... if only not miners but friendly scouts could report too that problem would be solved. op you need to add "don't be a moron and report blue intel"
Mara Rinn Cosmic Industrial Complex Cosmic Consortium 1448	Posted - 2012.05.31 06:17:00 - [83] - Quote RAP ACTION HERO wrote: op you need to add "don't be a moron and report blue intel" ^ what he said. Hisec folks organising intel channels need to be aware that you never report blues. No, "o/ Soandso in Eygfe". This might seem unfriendly at first, but you will very quickly learn that blue intel gets peoples' ships blown up. That, and blue intel is annoyingly spammy. Drag red pilot's name into chat, drag solar system into chat, hit return. Perhaps include the ship type being flown (for -10 gankers this will usually be "pod"). It is also worth figuring out who the Orca alts are, and reporting them too.
Ituhata Saken Elysium Enterprises 152	Posted - 2012.05.31 06:22:00 - [84] - Quote RAP ACTION HERO wrote: op you need to add "don't be a moron and report blue intel" You know what an answer is? It's a terminus -- an end. Answers are fine, but questions are where it's at. Questions bring us closer to understanding, -áthey can start a conversation or spark a revolution. So you might as well start asking... now.-á ~See you on the other side 6/6/12~
InternetSpaceship GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 14	Posted - 2012.05.31 07:36:00 - [85] - Quote Finally one of you pubbies gets it. This is how a sandbox works. Official Recruiter for GoonSwarm Corporation. If you paid isk to get into GoonSwarm, you were probably scammed.-á If you had the foresight to save the name of your scammer, let me know and I'll do what I can to help you.
Ned Black Driders 27	Posted - 2012.05.31 08:10:00 - [86] - Quote Thalen Draganos wrote: Ned Black wrote: [quote=Tatjana Braun] Which is EXACTLY why local should be removed in nullsec. If you are in high risk space then there really should be high risk if you want to do just about anything... not like the current PvE heaven nullspace really is. What they should do is Remove local so that the nullbears can actually feel the fear of being ganked... as an added bonus that would fix the AFK cloaker problem as well. Suddenly you would have to fear the active cloaker and not the one that is AFK. Remove automatic mails about POS/SOV structures being attacked. If you dont have people present that can detect the activity you should be able to sneak around and smash whoever in their faces. Remove automatic mails about hostile POSes being put in place. Suddenly you nullbears would have to experience a bit of that risk and no safe place in eve you love to talk about... but for some strange reason you never seem to like any idea that makes YOUR risk any greater... very strange... . One thing I think you may have missed is that things like hulkageddon aren't restricted by high sec, low sec, or even null sec. It's an impartial event that everyone everywhere can take part in. Either by doing the killing or doing the exploding. Safety in Eve is no different. Aside from concord to do the bit of policing that it does, It is up to the players to ensure either their own safety or the safety of others regardless of where you are. Local chat is merely a tool that people can use to ensure that safety. So, if you remove it from null sec, you should remove it for every part of space. That way the risk is the same. Basically, the only difference between high sec, low sec or null sec is the presence of concord, gate/station guns and sec status hits to the players. Otherwise your in the same situation where, regardless of what your doing, you should always be looking over your shoulder or watching local as it were. So don't be stupid and think that the risk is different in any other part of space in any other way than the amount of players in it. I would not be opposed to remove local from all over. But the risk IS different in highsec compared to nullsec... actually quite a bit diffrent when you think about it. The diffrence between is simple yet substantial. In highsec you have between 10-1000 people in just about every system you go to. Most of the time the majority of those are "neuts"... which means that you cant determin if they are friendly or not. If a new neutral guy pops into "your" highsec system you simply ignore it because otherwise you would never ever leave station... In nullsec however you have two statuses. Friendly or otherwise. If its a friend that jumps into your system you simply keep doing what you did before the friend arrived... if its not a friend then you immediatly KNOW that you need to get your bling bling ship safe or risk losing it. The result is that you initiate warp the second you notice the neutral in local... So it is in fact a LOT easier to stay safe doing PvE activities in nullsec than it is in highsec. So while you can't see the forrest because of all the trees in highsec you immediatly spot the cat among the ferrets in nullsec... and that is a MAJOR diffrence in risk if you ask me. By removing local you would remove that huge advantage and suddenly... suddenly the nullsec hulkageddon would be very possible unlike today when every hulk and their drones warps to safety before you grid even loads.
Sidus Isaacs Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 120	Posted - 2012.05.31 08:50:00 - [87] - Quote Props to OP for actually playing the game!
Ban Bindy Bindy Brothers Pottery Association 200	Posted - 2012.05.31 09:01:00 - [88] - Quote Nothing is going to stop gankers from joining your channel and filling it with disinformation, especially if it turns out to be successful. Announcing ganks where there are none, for instance. Plus knowing where they are doesn't do a lot to stop them. I once spent a couple of evenings warning people that there was a gate camp in Amamake, with alts sitting on both sides of the gate, calling out ship numbers and ship types. I saved almost nobody. Even when warned, players still jumped into the gate camp like lemmings, and died. I have a feeling this exercise will be a lot like that one. But it's worth a try.
Sarah Schneider PonyWaffe Test Alliance Please Ignore 280	Posted - 2012.05.31 09:46:00 - [89] - Quote +1 for OP. Finally! someone who does something sandbox-y instead of littering the forums with whineposts. "Eve isnGÇÖt some welcoming online utopia: itGÇÖs cut-throat, cruel, atavistic despite the futuristic setting. Give people a sandbox, and theyGÇÖll throw the sand in a rivalGÇÖs eyes before kicking them in the shins and destroying their sandcastle." -Keza MacDonald, IGN.
TheBig Bukowsky High Safety 35	Posted - 2012.05.31 15:32:00 - [90] - Quote Updated with some good news
Drax Dremal Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 31	Posted - 2012.05.31 15:40:00 - [91] - Quote We need to unite against the invading hoard!!
Pok Nibin Viziam Amarr Empire 188	Posted - 2012.06.01 07:08:00 - [92] - Quote Richard Desturned wrote: Pok Nibin wrote: Hulkageddon IS irrelevant. I once shot an irrelevant in my pajamas! How he got in my pajamas, I'll never know. Hulkageddon is the sort of activity dreamed up by bored people with no imagination - er...that's why they're bored. There's NO challenge to it. It requires NO remarkable skills. Hell, there's half a dozen "How-to for the beginners" on the interweb thingy. Admit it. You don't say things like this to show your intelligence. It's a lap dog thing for your handler, right? Always good to lick the master's hand. Props back atcha. Woof! Woof! <-------- Translation for Goons. That's why it owns because you get so mad about it Please, dear child. If (as you say) it "OWNS because [I] get so MAD about it" YOU are the most delusional person I have yet to see post on this forum, however, you don't get the Crown of Delusion for anyone associated with this game. Oh were it so for your puny - teeny- tiny excuse for a brain, that this pissant crap GOONS do is worthy of anger. The truth of it is, it's not worthy of even pity...the lowest form of emotion. So...in a sense of scale and from your own admission, an ant would have to lift its leg to pee on top of your head. Good work. I hope life improves for you...eventually. Don't fight it.-á Rejoin your Amarrian patriarchs.-á You know you want to.
Xinivrae GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 2	Posted - 2012.06.01 07:24:00 - [93] - Quote Pok Nibin wrote: Please, dear child. If (as you say) it "OWNS because [I] get so MAD about it" YOU are the most delusional person I have yet to see post on this forum, however, you don't get the Crown of Delusion for anyone associated with this game. Oh were it so for your puny - teeny- tiny excuse for a brain, that this pissant crap GOONS do is worthy of anger. The truth of it is, it's not worthy of even pity...the lowest form of emotion. So...in a sense of scale and from your own admission, an ant would have to lift its leg to pee on top of your head. Good work. I hope life improves for you...eventually. It is apparently worth typing out a lengthy response that makes you look like a front runner for the most pretentious poster award. Did you really just say "dear child"? Really?
Rek Seven Probe Patrol Project Wildfire 312	Posted - 2012.06.01 08:23:00 - [94] - Quote TheBig Bukowsky wrote: - Create your own Hisec Mining INTEL channel with information about suicide gankers. Each time you spot any of them, call their name and the system they're in. If you've been suicide ganked, report that too. - Add suicide gankers to your watchlist and warp-out as soon as they enter in local. - Consort with Hisec PVP corps and/or Mercenaries so they can wardec them in order to kill them before they may act. - Use logistics in your mining ops, fit ECM drones, tank your hulks, protect yourselves. - Distrust anyone warping to your belt. If you have no protection, report him in the Intel channel and warp out. - Make sure to recruite more miners and mining corps to your cause. The more you are the better. - Stop complaining, you're just feeding their egos and CCP won't help you. [UPDATE] Ok, let's start small guys. Feel free to join "HMining INTEL" Channel or mail me in-game to start organizing all this situation we have here. Not only miners, but anyone wanting to help would be welcome. Hisec Miners of EVE, unite! [UPDATE #2] Channel is up and running. Kicked a few goons (no offense). Spread the word. Tell your friends. Let the intel flow! [UPDATE #3] - Mailing list added: Ganklist If your name is on the list and you think it shouldn't, please contact me! Our little enterprise is growing I don't think this will work as you will never reach the larger mining community that does not participate on the forums. You would be better advising miners to join a wormhole or null sec corp where they can mine something better than veldspar.
hedge betts Shiyurida State War Academy Caldari State 16	Posted - 2012.06.01 08:31:00 - [95] - Quote The only way to to limit ganking back to normal levels it to put an end to killboards. At a guess id say 60% of current gankers are only padding their KB to make their epeen bigger. But as this will never happen were all fuked hahahahahahahhahhahahahahahahahahahhahahahahaha. / Curles up in a corner Cup the balls, and work the shaft
Alain Kinsella 119	Posted - 2012.06.01 09:26:00 - [96] - Quote Ban Bindy wrote: Nothing is going to stop gankers from joining your channel and filling it with disinformation, especially if it turns out to be successful. Announcing ganks where there are none, for instance. Plus knowing where they are doesn't do a lot to stop them. I once spent a couple of evenings warning people that there was a gate camp in Amamake, with alts sitting on both sides of the gate, calling out ship numbers and ship types. I saved almost nobody. Even when warned, players still jumped into the gate camp like lemmings, and died. I have a feeling this exercise will be a lot like that one. But it's worth a try. If it does take off, he'll be able to take some of the better intel into Alliance chat instead. Still not perfect, but nothing is in EvE (unless you know all involved IRL, and even then it may not be 100% perfect). I may have come here from Myst Online, but that does not make me any less bloodthirsty than the average Eve player. Just more subtle.
Alain Kinsella 119	Posted - 2012.06.01 09:29:00 - [97] - Quote Rek Seven wrote: I don't think this will work as you will never reach the larger mining community that does not participate on the forums. You would be better advising miners to join a wormhole or null sec corp where they can mine something better than veldspar. Perhaps, but find enough people and it will trickle eventually. No large Null holding today got that way overnight, neither will this. +1 to the plan btw, I'll be watching with interest. I may have come here from Myst Online, but that does not make me any less bloodthirsty than the average Eve player. Just more subtle.
Hermia Aliastra Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2012.06.01 09:48:00 - [98] - Quote Great to see this thread, This is a really good incentive, hope it gains traction. Its unfortunate that the people reading these forums are probably not the ones needing help. Fit loudspeakers on ships people! Explain the goon menace and stop buying Hulks.
Lexmana Imperial Stout 508	Posted - 2012.06.01 09:51:00 - [99] - Quote I support this product and/or service. This is what emergent game play is all about. Props for trying. And if successful, I think it might enhance the new player experience (for those that join) if they become aware of the ganking going on before they experience it first hand. It may even recruit one or two to the other side too.
Beckie DeLey Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation 79	Posted - 2012.06.01 10:04:00 - [100] - Quote Wow, VV is really shitting up this and other threads the last few days. What happened, i used ot enjoy your posts in MD quite a bit. Sold your character? It's The Legendary Extraordinary Me
TheBig Bukowsky High Safety 35	Posted - 2012.06.01 12:03:00 - [101] - Quote Ban Bindy wrote: Nothing is going to stop gankers from joining your channel and filling it with disinformation Channel moderators could. As it is now we have one main tool: the ganklist, and one main goal: to inform more people about this. If it turns out to be more popular, I'm sure we may have to face new challenges like the one you said, but nothing that couldn't be solved with a bit of organization and cooperation.
EvilweaselSA GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 151	Posted - 2012.06.01 13:29:00 - [102] - Quote Knight Cabbage wrote: As far as I understand there are no goon sponsored prices on barge kills. You have a fair amount of gank clowns and killboard padders, but these are not a result of the hulkageddon. lightbulb...

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