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Seigi Junsa Caldari	Posted - 2009.08.19 01:37:00 - [1] The information in this thread is for those interested in or currently managing a corporation. Speaking on behalf of DED and SCC of CONCORD: 1. NEVER give full access to your corp hanger(s) to members. This is how items end up missing and unaccounted. Keep them locked until they are ready to be used. 2. Separate your corp items into three hangars - one for shipping, one for receiving and the other for storage. 3. Assign two trusted members - one for shipping and the other for receiving. The storage hangar should be controlled and accessed by the CEO. 4. Set up a procedure where items picked up from the storage hangar to shipping hangar and from shipping hangar to members AND delivered from members to receiving hangar and from receiving hangar to storage hangar are monitored closely. Keep account all items going out and coming in to these hangars and update your inventory in the storage hangar often. Please be advised that these suggestions are in no way affiliated with CONCORD or CCP and should be held harmless of any liability towards them. If you need legal advice, you should seek an attorney (no, serious), seek an attorney specializing in corporate law and has an office in a station where available. Courtesy: Seigi Junsa
Lana Torrin Minmatar Republic Military Skool	Posted - 2009.08.19 01:42:00 - [2] Cool story bro... The issue with doing this is that you hamstring your corp.. It may work well for small corps of 5 to 10 people, but only allowing 2 people access to the corp hangers when your corp is 150 or 200 members seriously restricts the corps operations.. What if your going on a large op and one of the people isn't online and people want fittings (which the corp agreed to pay for as its a corp op).. Call off the op? Whats going to happen to your member count when they constantly have ops bumped because one of your 2 trusted people is inactive?? How do you pick these trusted people? Come to that, in such a restricted corp how can the members trust the CEO...
rand0 eastman Gallente Garoun Investment Bank	Posted - 2009.08.19 01:57:00 - [3] Edited by: rand0 eastman on 19/08/2009 02:03:03 and who will do all this monitoring, would have to be the CEO, this places a tremendous amount off work onto the CEO's shoulders along with every other thing they have to manage. also the larger the corp/alliance gets the more time this will take, this is why deligation actually happens. the reason corp theft happens is either; A. those in charge get greedy and dont care who has access, if they bring promises of monies to the table, or B. the ones in charge are lazy and or complacent, as said if you are willing to do the lions share of the work yourself as CEO, you can significantly reduce the margins a theif has to act but this take a considerable amount of effort and generally there are few who wish to take its mantle rather than pew pew (players, npc's, roids, market). even with someone/yourself monitoring the trips there is very little to stop a dedicated thief, who is in the position of one of your trusted, cutting and running if they feel that is all they will get out of the corp, all that will happen is the sting will increase from the betrayal and you'll be ****ed at yourself for dedicating so much time to overseeing all the logistics rather than playing the game. sure your tips may increase security but at what cost huh... what cost? the only sure fire way is to have no one else in corp, that way there will be no one to steal from you. with correct delligation, breaking shipments and access up into the smallest chunks you can. ie only you as CEO has storage access, anything that needs moving can be placed in a shipping hanger that yet again only you have access to. then you can move move things in small chunks (limit it by esstimated value if you want), into a shipping out hannger, that if you delliagte propperly to those whom you can trust the most and have the ability to ship items around to where ever they need to go. using this method of only allowing access to what you can afford to lose to those you deligate to, and leaving them to it wont stop corp theft but will reduce the amount they can steal in one go and so minimize losses but this way, you can actually enjoy the game past admin duties. editd cos im tired and suck at the old posting malarky and also cos the poster above is also very right.
Herty The Sexy Carebear Boredom Convention	Posted - 2009.08.19 03:25:00 - [4] You could always hire me. If you give me director roles and a small salary I can keep your corp completely secure!!!
Lana Torrin Minmatar Republic Military Skool	Posted - 2009.08.19 03:30:00 - [5] If you want to make your friend feel great, hire Noir to shoot at him a little bit then run away when he shoots back..
techzer0 Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2009.08.19 07:08:00 - [6] Edited by: techzer0 on 19/08/2009 07:10:21 I've seen a few corp hangers, but never needed either "Shipping" or "Receiving"... 99% of it is normally "Some dead guys loot" in "High", "Mids", "Lows", "Ammo", and "Useless junk" flavors ------------ Originally by: Nexus Kinnon I could outgay you even without my pink tutu. >.>
Lana Torrin Minmatar Republic Military Skool	Posted - 2009.08.19 07:25:00 - [7] Originally by: techzer0 Edited by: techzer0 on 19/08/2009 07:10:21 I've seen a few corp hangers, but never needed either "Shipping" or "Receiving"... 99% of it is normally "Some dead guys loot" in "High", "Mids", "Lows", "Ammo", and "Useless junk" flavors I prefer the 'Cheap stuff", "Expensive stuff", "Miners Sruff", "Directors stuff", "Upcoming Ops" type sequence.. Where each hanger gets a purpose so you can restrict it to only people that are supposed to have access to that thing (obviously only miners get access to the miners stuff, only people that are getting corp assets for an upcoming op get the upcoming op access etc) and then inside each hanger there are cans for low, mid and high fittings.. Seen a few variants on that and if done correctly (and it requires some management, but less than the OPs method) they can be fairly secure without being overly restrictive. The biggest problem with corp theft these days is idiot CEOs that don't know what they are doing trusting everyone that comes through their doors.
Rotnac Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.08.19 07:33:00 - [8] Station Warehouses. They help a lot.
Lana Torrin Minmatar Republic Military Skool	Posted - 2009.08.19 07:38:00 - [9] Originally by: Rotnac Station Warehouses. They help a lot. Still not a solution for basic stupidity though...
Rawr Cristina Caldari Annihilate. Avarice.	Posted - 2009.08.19 10:59:00 - [10] the best way to stop things getting stolen from your corp hanger is to not put anything in them IMO - Malyutka (The Virus) -
Katarlia Simov Minmatar Cowboys From Hell	Posted - 2009.08.19 11:11:00 - [11] Only way to not get stolen from is have nothing to steal :) Some might say that unless you trust people you shouldn't be sharing the goodies with them anywya but blah
Swalesey Prosperity Through Violence	Posted - 2009.08.19 12:41:00 - [12] Most of the time there is no need for the whole corp to have access to everything. Lock all bpo down. cuts out all theft attempts of them. have an industry hanger just ffor people to drop in what they need and then run the job.One junk hanger, where people can stick any mods/ships for corpies to use, keep an eye on how much the value of the stuff is getting to. If your gonna have anything of big value, keep it seperate from the other stuff in a locked hanger for directors only. And of course don't be an absolute ****** on who gets to be a director. Segregating assets as said before is the east way for damage limitation without everything grinding to a halt. give access, but not to every damn thing in there.
Corporate Thief Caldari Code Triage	Posted - 2009.08.19 15:45:00 - [13] Originally by: Seigi Junsa The information in this thread is for those interested in or currently managing a corporation. Speaking on behalf of DED and SCC of CONCORD: Originally by: Seigi Junsa Please be advised that these suggestions are in no way affiliated with CONCORD... I lol'd Constructive: That doesn't prevent against Corp Thieves, that prevents against street urchins who abuse your hospitality to steal your silver. Those of us who actually know how to do our jobs, instead of rely on blind luck and CEO Stupidity, are the people you believe you know well enough, and long enough, that they can be trusted with running the Corp while you're away. Then we run away with the Corp while you're away. The problem with you CEO's is that you don't seem to realize that we're Miners just like you, only instead of Veldspar it's a Corporation. Heaven forbid we find some entertainment in how we play the game tl;dr To stop real Thieves, don't trust the person you trust the most. ---
Serendipity Lost Repo Industries R.E.P.O.	Posted - 2009.08.19 16:27:00 - [14] Edited by: Serendipity Lost on 19/08/2009 16:31:13 I think our system is probably the most secure in eve. We rent a station near a hot spot or area of interest, throw a bunch of stuff in there that we might use. We then get distracted within 2 days, no one remembers to pay the rent (and this is the super secure part), so 'the man' (whoever that is) impounds the stuff. It is now totally secure, and only the most 'industrious criminals' (counter intuitive) will go through all the steps to get it back. Oh, it's usually 3 mil worth of large t1 antimatter to begin with so we have that in our favor also. Serendipity edit: changed 'large t1 large' to 'large t1', was distracted by the pool boy during original posting.
TimMc Gallente Brutal Deliverance Novus Auctorita	Posted - 2009.08.19 16:28:00 - [15] I just run my corp with everyone given full access to all but the blueprints. We don't really have anything worth stealing anyway, and if you are recruiting solid members you should be able to trust them. You can build trust anyway. Given director roles to founding members as the corp grows in size is a commonality.
Msgerbs Gallente Imperial Assualt Guild Raikiri Assasins	Posted - 2009.08.19 17:18:00 - [16] Corp-crippling idea is fail. It's called not giving everyone you see access to your valuables. (Also, you can give anyone access to your BPOs as long as you're smart enuogh to lock them down) "Isn't the Eiffel Tower an early prototype of a Minmatar Battleship?" --Illectroculus Defined
jimmyjam Gallente Sinner Among Saints Exquisite Malevolence	Posted - 2009.08.19 21:02:00 - [17] The best things to do to cripple a corp is against the EULA.
Seigi Junsa Caldari	Posted - 2009.08.21 02:51:00 - [18] Originally by: Lana Torrin Cool story bro... The issue with doing this is that you hamstring your corp.. It may work well for small corps of 5 to 10 people, but only allowing 2 people access to the corp hangers when your corp is 150 or 200 members seriously restricts the corps operations.. What if your going on a large op and one of the people isn't online and people want fittings (which the corp agreed to pay for as its a corp op).. Call off the op? Whats going to happen to your member count when they constantly have ops bumped because one of your 2 trusted people is inactive?? How do you pick these trusted people? Come to that, in such a restricted corp how can the members trust the CEO... Originally by: rand0 eastman Edited by: rand0 eastman on 19/08/2009 02:03:03 and who will do all this monitoring, would have to be the CEO, this places a tremendous amount off work onto the CEO's shoulders along with every other thing they have to manage. also the larger the corp/alliance gets the more time this will take, this is why deligation actually happens. the reason corp theft happens is either; A. those in charge get greedy and dont care who has access, if they bring promises of monies to the table, or B. the ones in charge are lazy and or complacent, as said if you are willing to do the lions share of the work yourself as CEO, you can significantly reduce the margins a theif has to act but this take a considerable amount of effort and generally there are few who wish to take its mantle rather than pew pew (players, npc's, roids, market). even with someone/yourself monitoring the trips there is very little to stop a dedicated thief, who is in the position of one of your trusted, cutting and running if they feel that is all they will get out of the corp, all that will happen is the sting will increase from the betrayal and you'll be ****ed at yourself for dedicating so much time to overseeing all the logistics rather than playing the game. sure your tips may increase security but at what cost huh... what cost? the only sure fire way is to have no one else in corp, that way there will be no one to steal from you. with correct delligation, breaking shipments and access up into the smallest chunks you can. ie only you as CEO has storage access, anything that needs moving can be placed in a shipping hanger that yet again only you have access to. then you can move move things in small chunks (limit it by esstimated value if you want), into a shipping out hannger, that if you delliagte propperly to those whom you can trust the most and have the ability to ship items around to where ever they need to go. using this method of only allowing access to what you can afford to lose to those you deligate to, and leaving them to it wont stop corp theft but will reduce the amount they can steal in one go and so minimize losses but this way, you can actually enjoy the game past admin duties. editd cos im tired and suck at the old posting malarky and also cos the poster above is also very right. In a large scale corp you should get backup members to cover inactives. As for trusting members, how do employers trust their employees? Let me ask this in another way. Do YOU trust your employer? The truth is you can't! Therefore risks play a role in this situation and trust come through trials. CEO's usually hires a staff to help them with operations and it's a good idea for them to select one(s) to do the monitoring. If they get lazy or don't do what they're supposed to do, show them the door and replace them with someone else. You can never stop a thief, but you can slow them down and the above example is one way do it.
Surfin's PlunderBunny Minmatar Dark Ascendancy The Council.	Posted - 2009.08.21 05:40:00 - [19] I have 17m, can I help? Originally by: Xen Gin Originally by: FOl2TY8 I know that some people like to have voluntary periods of abstinence. Yeah, I use that excuse too.
Lana Torrin Minmatar Republic Military Skool	Posted - 2009.08.21 05:52:00 - [20] Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny I have 17m, can I help? I think im the only person on these forums that doesn't find this funny.. Please continue to repeat it as one day I may get the joke.
Xenophanes Colophon	Posted - 2009.08.21 07:04:00 - [21] Better method, know them all personally and play multiple games with them in corps/guilds/clans/etc. If they rely on you in other games and they actually know you then they are far less likely to ever consider corp theft. Even then most of the really good stuff in our corp hangar is inaccessible to all but a few people.
Lana Torrin Minmatar Republic Military Skool	Posted - 2009.08.21 07:38:00 - [22] Originally by: Xenophanes Colophon Better method, know them all personally and play multiple games with them in corps/guilds/clans/etc. If they rely on you in other games and they actually know you then they are far less likely to ever consider corp theft. Even then most of the really good stuff in our corp hangar is inaccessible to all but a few people.
Captain Pompous Is Right Even When He's Wrong So Deal With It	Posted - 2009.08.22 23:06:00 - [23] Originally by: Lana Torrin Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny I have 17m, can I help? I think im the only person on these forums that doesn't find this funny.. Please continue to repeat it as one day I may get the joke. I have 17m variations on this meme, can I help? --- I was going to run for CSM but life waylaid me :(
Saul Reaver Oberon Incorporated Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2009.08.23 05:43:00 - [24] Originally by: Lana Torrin Cool story bro... The issue with doing this is that you hamstring your corp.. It may work well for small corps of 5 to 10 people, but only allowing 2 people access to the corp hangers when your corp is 150 or 200 members seriously restricts the corps operations.. What if your going on a large op and one of the people isn't online and people want fittings (which the corp agreed to pay for as its a corp op).. Call off the op? Whats going to happen to your member count when they constantly have ops bumped because one of your 2 trusted people is inactive?? How do you pick these trusted people? Come to that, in such a restricted corp how can the members trust the CEO... Some good points here. I think the best thing to do is give the CEO only access to the Maximum security section in your station/Outpost corp hangar, IE Blueprints and all stuff that needs to be locked down. Give all your members access to the Fleet Ops and Ops hangars for fittings/ships etc. I think thats probably the best way tbh.
HIBillyMaysHere	Posted - 2009.08.23 08:43:00 - [25] HI BILLY MAYS HERE I AVOID CORP THEFT BY NOT LETTING THAT SHAMWOW F*GGOT INTO MY KITCHEN.

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