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vixxen Miner
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Posted - 2009.08.19 06:51:00 -
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Edited by: vixxen Miner on 19/08/2009 06:52:04
An interesting thing has happened in the console world. Coincidence? Perhaps. Here is a link. http://videogames.yahoo.com/events/plugged-in/sony-slashes-ps3-price-to-299-announces-new-slim-model/1344378. Basically Sony announcing their new slim lined version of the PS3 to be out. Price will $300 u.s. dollars.
Guys I'm not sure why CCP is keeping Dust 514 as a console only game, however I have a feeling it has to do with the hack ability of a computer. This is only speculation but could this have anything to do with security issues with UDP port 514? If this is true then perhaps ccp is steering the entire game, not just dust 514, but eve as well towards consoles just to keep their clients secure from hacking. I do know that UDP port 514 is used often for backdoor trojans, they can look up login data, and actually look data on both sides I think. I'm not too saavy of this type of thing. Dust 514 maybe a hint of CCP's intentions to possibly get rid of this hackability threat by switching to consoles which are indeed damn near impossible to hack into. There is a big chance I'm just being a looney. However the thread "Unholy Rage", and the unveiling of Dust 514, and the purging of 6000 macro accounts might not be coincidence, but things that tie into a much bigger picture. If you support this thread then please give me a thumbs up, and could ccp confirm this if this is true?
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vixxen Miner
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Posted - 2009.08.19 06:58:00 -
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Sera Ryskin
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Posted - 2009.08.19 08:24:00 -
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And I suppose those of us who don't want to pay $300 for ONE GAME are just left out of what is going to be a significant part of EVE? **** that.
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Dr BattleSmith
PAX Interstellar Services
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Posted - 2009.08.19 08:27:00 -
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 Originally by: vixxen Miner
Dust 514 maybe a hint of CCP's intentions to possibly get rid of this hackability threat by switching to consoles which are indeed damn near impossible to hack into.
Consoles are easy to hack and hard to keep updated.
It's likely that the console game will be more exploitable then eve.
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vixxen Miner
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Posted - 2009.08.19 08:41:00 -
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Originally by: Dr BattleSmith
Originally by: vixxen Miner
Dust 514 maybe a hint of CCP's intentions to possibly get rid of this hackability threat by switching to consoles which are indeed damn near impossible to hack into.
Consoles are easy to hack and hard to keep updated.
It's likely that the console game will be more exploitable then eve.
Wrong. It is much harder to hack into a console to steal information like user name's and passwords. For one most hackers dont even know the operating systems, and browsers well enough for the consoles to even pose a threat with consoles. It's a known fact that most hacks are directed towards microsoft operating systems.
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Dr BattleSmith
PAX Interstellar Services
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Posted - 2009.08.19 08:50:00 -
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Edited by: Dr BattleSmith on 19/08/2009 08:50:05
Originally by: vixxen Miner
Wrong. It is much harder to hack into a console to steal information like user name's and passwords. For one most hackers dont even know the operating systems, and browsers well enough for the consoles to even pose a threat with consoles. It's a known fact that most hacks are directed towards microsoft operating systems.
Yes a little bit harder to steal passwords remotely, but who said anything about hacking into consoles remotely.
This has nothing at all to do with keyloggers or browser bugs.
It's about taking the DUST game, changing it, and playing the exploited version that gives you some version of "God mode".
A very common occurrence.
To suggest that consoles somehow make exploiting the game software impossible is completely 100% bogus.
As for Microsoft.... Hacks are targeted towards victims. No matter what OS they use.
Just so happens that most people use Windows and therefore it's the biggest target.
The OP said "consoles which are indeed damn near impossible to hack into".
This statement is wrong.
They are easier to hack as it is easy to control the updating of the software involved as they are designed to run well in offline environments. Old software gives more in-roads then new software.
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vixxen Miner
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Posted - 2009.08.19 09:05:00 -
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Originally by: Dr BattleSmith
Edited by: Dr BattleSmith on 19/08/2009 08:50:05
Originally by: vixxen Miner
Wrong. It is much harder to hack into a console to steal information like user name's and passwords. For one most hackers dont even know the operating systems, and browsers well enough for the consoles to even pose a threat with consoles. It's a known fact that most hacks are directed towards microsoft operating systems.
Yes a little bit harder to steal passwords remotely, but who said anything about hacking into consoles remotely.
This has nothing at all to do with keyloggers or browser bugs.
It's about taking the DUST game, changing it, and playing the exploited version that gives you some version of "God mode".
A very common occurrence.
To suggest that consoles somehow make exploiting the game software impossible is completely 100% bogus.
As for Microsoft.... Hacks are targeted towards victims. No matter what OS they use.
Just so happens that most people use Windows and therefore it's the biggest target.
The OP said "consoles which are indeed damn near impossible to hack into".
This statement is wrong.
They are easier to hack as it is easy to control the updating of the software involved as they are designed to run well in offline environments. Old software gives more in-roads then new software.
Most people who exploit in fps shooters are banned rather quickly. Also this is something more than just a douche running god mode. It's about a third party sniffing out ports to gain a persons login credentials so that they can commit fraud. This is about protecting customers from that sort of thing. So if you have a choice of the possibility of protecting your clients from fraud versus the random idiot who thinks he's cool, what would you choose to do?
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Dr BattleSmith
PAX Interstellar Services
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Posted - 2009.08.19 09:08:00 -
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Originally by: vixxen Miner
It's about a third party sniffing out ports to gain a persons login credentials so that they can commit fraud.
eh?
Why would that be any harder on a console then on anything else?
Man-in-the-middle attacks are just that....
Doesn't matter what OS the endpoint is, if you're in the middle you can read the data if not encrypted,
or crack it if it is encrypted with a bad random generator or keys don't cycle often enough.
OS doesn't make any difference at all in this style attack.
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vixxen Miner
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Posted - 2009.08.19 09:26:00 -
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most of the time they have to connect to your ip in order to remote acess your data, which make that hard to do since clicking on links on a ps3 may be different. Does the ps3 have a browser for the internet, and if so is that browser regularly targeted by these types of people? It is a fact tho the person who is making the trojan would have to code it using the same language as the targeted console in question, and there is no gaurentee that that trojan would work properly due to how that operating system works. So no, I highly doubt it is just as easy.
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Sera Ryskin
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Posted - 2009.08.19 09:32:00 -
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Originally by: vixxen Miner
most of the time they have to connect to your ip in order to remote acess your data, which make that hard to do since clicking on links on a ps3 may be different. Does the ps3 have a browser for the internet, and if so is that browser regularly targeted by these types of people? It is a fact tho the person who is making the trojan would have to code it using the same language as the targeted console in question, and there is no gaurentee that that trojan would work properly due to how that operating system works. So no, I highly doubt it is just as easy.
The point is that it's possible to do it. Changing from a PC to a console or whatever does NOTHING if the target has something worth stealing and is stupid enough to fall for it.
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vixxen Miner
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Posted - 2009.08.19 09:43:00 -
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well it depends actually we don't know for sure if someone could secure another person's credentials while they are running a console. If a consoles operating system doesn't support that type of coding to run in that system it may be impossible. First off when a console os boots up there is no way for a virus to start up because there will be no options for it do so. thus limiting the hacker only one chance at to sniff out information, if he/she can even do that.
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Dr BattleSmith
PAX Interstellar Services
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Posted - 2009.08.19 09:43:00 -
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A computer, is a computer, is a computer.
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Sera Ryskin
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Posted - 2009.08.19 09:48:00 -
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Originally by: vixxen Miner
well it depends actually we don't know for sure if someone could secure another person's credentials while they are running a console. If a consoles operating system doesn't support that type of coding to run in that system it may be impossible. First off when a console os boots up there is no way for a virus to start up because there will be no options for it do so. thus limiting the hacker only one chance at to sniff out information, if he/she can even do that.
And that's why you make a different type of virus targeted at the specific console (or computer) you want to infect. Nobody is saying you'll get a PC virus on your PS3, they're saying that the same hackers who are trying to steal your account info on the PC will simply create a new attack to steal your Dust info from your PS3.
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vixxen Miner
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Posted - 2009.08.19 09:50:00 -
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Edited by: vixxen Miner on 19/08/2009 09:51:49
okay, so a computer is a computer is a computer. The problem with that is that certain operating systems may not be sophisticated enough for complex viruses like a trojan to operate inside it. The only way possible is if a person hacked a PS3 to run like a computer using linux, and to acces login credentials for a game like dust, the user would have to switch from linux to the regular game os loaded on the ps3. so in reality the linux which is loaded on the hard drive wouldn't be active, and secondly the game os is located in a flash memory seperate from that. It would be near impossible, and not worth doing, since trying to sniff out such data would be accessing sony's servers, and that may not be fun at all.
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Dr BattleSmith
PAX Interstellar Services
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Posted - 2009.08.19 09:56:00 -
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Originally by: vixxen Miner
The problem with that is that certain operating systems may not be sophisticated enough for complex viruses like a trojan to operate inside it.
The OS on your phone is exploitable.
The first xbox is exploitable.
The new xbox is exploitable.
The next xbox is exploitable.
As for stealing credentials, it's just not an issue.
Who cares about these credentials, there is near no value in them.
Exploiting the game itself would be much more prevalent.
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Sera Ryskin
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Posted - 2009.08.19 10:03:00 -
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Originally by: vixxen Miner
Edited by: vixxen Miner on 19/08/2009 09:51:49
okay, so a computer is a computer is a computer. The problem with that is that certain operating systems may not be sophisticated enough for complex viruses like a trojan to operate inside it. The only way possible is if a person hacked a PS3 to run like a computer using linux, and to acces login credentials for a game like dust, the user would have to switch from linux to the regular game os loaded on the ps3. so in reality the linux which is loaded on the hard drive wouldn't be active, and secondly the game os is located in a flash memory seperate from that. It would be near impossible, and not worth doing, since trying to sniff out such data would be accessing sony's servers, and that may not be fun at all.
Here's a hint for you: viruses aren't new. They've been around on MUCH more primitive systems than any modern console.
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vixxen Miner
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Posted - 2009.08.19 10:09:00 -
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are you a r e t a r d? Seriously, ccp banned 6000 macro mining accounts. Macro mining accounts have been linked to isk sellers who are also linked to stealing account info, and login credentials in order to play the game and make money. If they don't sell the isk they will try to sell your account, and even scam people who are trying to buy an account this way. I had a character hacked into recently so I know first hand how sucky this can be. It is all because if they find out your ip they can run your system remotely using different ports, via trojan viruses, and sniffing systems. So if you think it is a non issue then you can eat sh@t and die.
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vixxen Miner
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Posted - 2009.08.19 10:12:00 -
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Originally by: Sera Ryskin
Originally by: vixxen Miner
Edited by: vixxen Miner on 19/08/2009 09:51:49
okay, so a computer is a computer is a computer. The problem with that is that certain operating systems may not be sophisticated enough for complex viruses like a trojan to operate inside it. The only way possible is if a person hacked a PS3 to run like a computer using linux, and to acces login credentials for a game like dust, the user would have to switch from linux to the regular game os loaded on the ps3. so in reality the linux which is loaded on the hard drive wouldn't be active, and secondly the game os is located in a flash memory seperate from that. It would be near impossible, and not worth doing, since trying to sniff out such data would be accessing sony's servers, and that may not be fun at all.
Here's a hint for you: viruses aren't new. They've been around on MUCH more primitive systems than any modern console.
Thanks captain obvious. The problem is in order to run a complex program, it takes a complex operating system. I believe the operating system on a console would not be complex enough to perform such a function.
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Dr BattleSmith
PAX Interstellar Services
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Posted - 2009.08.19 10:30:00 -
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Originally by: vixxen Miner
Thanks captain obvious. The problem is in order to run a complex program, it takes a complex operating system. I believe the operating system on a console would not be complex enough to perform such a function.
You are mistaken.
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vixxen Miner
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Posted - 2009.08.19 10:39:00 -
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Originally by: Dr BattleSmith
Originally by: vixxen Miner
Thanks captain obvious. The problem is in order to run a complex program, it takes a complex operating system. I believe the operating system on a console would not be complex enough to perform such a function.
You are mistaken.
Thanks
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Drake Draconis
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Shadow Cadre
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Posted - 2009.08.19 14:25:00 -
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Edited by: Drake Draconis on 19/08/2009 14:31:56
Edited by: Drake Draconis on 19/08/2009 14:27:09
Don't listen to Dr. WhineSmith.... he's running low on cheese.
Seriously... where do you get this crap?
The only thing I've seen happening is hijacking of Xbox accounts... exploitations and "Cheating" are few and far between due to the jailed nature of the console... you'd have to physically modify the hardware just to get anywhere.. let alone risk damaging the warranty... on already large POS Hardware which suffers from nearly if not higher than 50% failure rate (Welcome to Rings of Death! WEEE!)
I think "Chicken Little" should take a little walk and get some cheese.
The odds of cheating/hacking are extremely low due to a plethora of reasons... I'd be more worried about the PC's.
Not to mention the fact your talking about the majority of which are a bunch of kids and even if they do cheat... its to kill someone in a game... like Halo... and not to affect your precious Internet Ships which are very likely gong to get ganked by some random pirate in some random gate camp.
Why is this even an issue? Sheesh.
Oh and not supported.... I hate it when a Console benches a game and keeps it from the larger computers when its fully doable on a standard PC/Mac.
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Herschel Yamamoto
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Posted - 2009.08.19 16:15:00 -
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Originally by: Sera Ryskin
And I suppose those of us who don't want to pay $300 for ONE GAME are just left out of what is going to be a significant part of EVE? **** that.
You've been playing since January 2007, so assuming you've been subscribed the whole time, that's $350-$50 you've paid in subscription fees. So apparently you do feel like paying $300 for ONE GAME.
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Red Raider
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Posted - 2009.08.19 16:22:00 -
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Originally by: Drake Draconis
Edited by: Drake Draconis on 19/08/2009 14:31:56
Edited by: Drake Draconis on 19/08/2009 14:27:09
Don't listen to Dr. WhineSmith.... he's running low on cheese.
Seriously... where do you get this crap?
The only thing I've seen happening is hijacking of Xbox accounts... exploitations and "Cheating" are few and far between due to the jailed nature of the console... you'd have to physically modify the hardware just to get anywhere.. let alone risk damaging the warranty... on already large POS Hardware which suffers from nearly if not higher than 50% failure rate (Welcome to Rings of Death! WEEE!)
I think "Chicken Little" should take a little walk and get some cheese.
The odds of cheating/hacking are extremely low due to a plethora of reasons... I'd be more worried about the PC's.
Not to mention the fact your talking about the majority of which are a bunch of kids and even if they do cheat... its to kill someone in a game... like Halo... and not to affect your precious Internet Ships which are very likely gong to get ganked by some random pirate in some random gate camp.
Why is this even an issue? Sheesh.
Oh and not supported.... I hate it when a Console benches a game and keeps it from the larger computers when its fully doable on a standard PC/Mac.
Other than the last sentence I agree with EVERY word Drake said.
Battlesmith doesn't really know what he is talking about. He keeps talking about old software and crap but you can't even get online unless you update to the current software. Modded consoles are almost immediately detected and banned outright and since its really easy to report hackers on the console their escapades generally only last a few minutes before the ban hammer drops.
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Posted - 2009.08.19 16:23:00 -
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Originally by: Herschel Yamamoto
Originally by: Sera Ryskin
And I suppose those of us who don't want to pay $300 for ONE GAME are just left out of what is going to be a significant part of EVE? **** that.
You've been playing since January 2007, so assuming you've been subscribed the whole time, that's $350-$50 you've paid in subscription fees. So apparently you do feel like paying $300 for ONE GAME.
Get em' Herschel!!!
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Gaven Darklighter
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Posted - 2009.08.19 17:13:00 -
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Originally by: Herschel Yamamoto
Originally by: Sera Ryskin
And I suppose those of us who don't want to pay $300 for ONE GAME are just left out of what is going to be a significant part of EVE? **** that.
You've been playing since January 2007, so assuming you've been subscribed the whole time, that's $350-$50 you've paid in subscription fees. So apparently you do feel like paying $300 for ONE GAME.
very well said. I loled
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jos wijnants
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Posted - 2009.08.19 19:02:00 -
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Originally by: Gaven Darklighter
Originally by: Herschel Yamamoto
Originally by: Sera Ryskin
And I suppose those of us who don't want to pay $300 for ONE GAME are just left out of what is going to be a significant part of EVE? **** that.
You've been playing since January 2007, so assuming you've been subscribed the whole time, that's $350-$50 you've paid in subscription fees. So apparently you do feel like paying $300 for ONE GAME.
very well said. I loled
thats the point we PCplayers have, i don,t mind consoleplayers as long the gameplay doesn,t change to much.
But thats exactly what is gonna happen.
If dust 514 was pc and console you wouldn,t hear me ,but indeed a lot of the money the pc playerbase payed is invested in the consolemarket and in return we get sh@t and thats what the most pcplayers are angry about.
and again if Dust was multiplatform pc/consoles i would welcome it.
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Darth Vindictus
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Posted - 2009.08.19 19:30:00 -
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So let me get this straight you're concerned about hacks and account stealing...so you want it on consoles only. That's got to be the most assinine thing I've heard. PC security isn't as flawed as you make it out to be. It's just as simple to hack a console and it's OS as anything else. Take for instance the PS3 and Xbox360 which can be hacked to run other OS'es whether through hardware or software. Hell the old xbox could be hacked over it's lan connection. Given time the new gen consoles will be too guaranteed.
If account security is your concern along with hacks and cheats let them release it through STEAM or another monitored and regularly updated distrubution and matching service. Your argument for console only is not only flawed but not very thought out or realistic. Console accounts are hacked on a regular basis, you just don't hear about it as much. Consoles are no more secure than a PC. The PC has just been around and is more widely distributed and therefore more people are trying to circumvent it's security measures for gain. Not much to gain from hacking a console account other than free play. Then again the same could be said for hacking a PC account.
As it's been stated before..a computer is a computer.
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Dr BattleSmith
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Posted - 2009.08.20 01:12:00 -
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Edited by: Dr BattleSmith on 20/08/2009 01:15:52
Originally by: Darth Vindictus
So let me get this straight you're concerned about hacks and account stealing...so you want it on consoles only. That's got to be the most assinine thing I've heard. PC security isn't as flawed as you make it out to be. It's just as simple to hack a console and it's OS as anything else. Take for instance the PS3 and Xbox360 which can be hacked to run other OS'es whether through hardware or software. Hell the old xbox could be hacked over it's lan connection. Given time the new gen consoles will be too guaranteed.
If account security is your concern along with hacks and cheats let them release it through STEAM or another monitored and regularly updated distrubution and matching service. Your argument for console only is not only flawed but not very thought out or realistic. Console accounts are hacked on a regular basis, you just don't hear about it as much. Consoles are no more secure than a PC. The PC has just been around and is more widely distributed and therefore more people are trying to circumvent it's security measures for gain. Not much to gain from hacking a console account other than free play. Then again the same could be said for hacking a PC account.
As it's been stated before..a computer is a computer.
This.
You can software exploit an xbox and play on Live for free.
Really they make much better media-centers then games platforms anyway.
edit: PS3 is just the same, but I don't know it as well.
To those who think you need to modify the hardware, it's not the case.
Consoles have software, software is exploitable, once it's exploited any access required to upload modified code is possible.
As for it being banned instantly..... Do you really think there isn't a way around that :-D
btw... The reason I jumped on those comments about IP address, is because I've wasted months of my life explaining stuff like "cookies are not virus" to people because of miss-information like that taking hold.
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