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Victoria Akmea
Gallente
Taishite Kami
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Posted - 2009.08.20 00:10:00 -
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I tend to prefer small ships, fighting more on speed and skill than just base damage and buffer, and even with searching through god knows how many pages, as well as battleclinic loadouts, I can't decide which is better for solo PvP.
Yes, I said solo PvP.
So, I'm looking for fits generally for cruiser size and smaller, all T1 ships. Lately, I've been looking at the Punisher, the Omen, the Rifter, and the Stabber. I've been hearing different things all over the place, such as ACs suck, but then again the Rifter and Stabber are most used PvP ships...Etc. So I'm looking for pretty much, what do you all think is the best ship?
Yes, I know there is no best ship, it's all personal opinion...Fine. What ship will, statistically speaking, win more than 50% of the fights it engages?
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Whats your best solo PvP fit for Cruisers and Frigates?
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TheMaster42
Lobster Gazelle Unicorn
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Posted - 2009.08.20 01:12:00 -
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1600mm small-gun Vexor. Highest DPS and probably best buffer tank of any cruiser.
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar
Dark-Rising
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Posted - 2009.08.20 01:34:00 -
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Best frig of all is a curiously T2 AC fitted punisher, close second is Rifter. ACs suck when used for battleships, not at frig sizes.
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The Djego
Minmatar
Hellequin Inc.
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Posted - 2009.08.20 01:46:00 -
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 Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha
Best frig of all is a curiously T2 AC fitted punisher, close second is Rifter. ACs suck when used for battleships, not at frig sizes.
While the punisher is awsome at his own I allways found the extra speed and med very nice on the rifter to get the point on the target in the start. This is basicly what makes it "the" solo frig.
Stabber vs Omen is actualy a close call. The Omen is slower than the Stabber but can still outmanuver any cruiser(-stabber and a unplated ruppi) with shield extender and speed mods while doing a lot more damage at his range(also tracking better than a Stabber, but still not good enught to hit while MWDing). Only real drawback is that you will be easier to catch for frigs(AB overheat) and you need very good skills to fit it(while the stabber is relative easy to fit even with medicore skills). Both are pointless without T2 guns.
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Pater Peccavi
Minmatar
Tribal Liberation Force
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Posted - 2009.08.20 02:02:00 -
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I've flown this (unrigged) a couple times and have considered giving it a go again (I've been on a Jaguar kick lately, which gets expensive. This'll be easier for my wallet to take). I had a good fight against a Deimos with it, til his buddies jumped in.
[Stabber, 220mm]
Gyrostabilizer II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Gyrostabilizer II
10MN MicroWarpdrive I
Large Shield Extender II
Fleeting Warp Disruptor I
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Barrage M
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Barrage M
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Barrage M
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Barrage M
SV-2000 Assault Missile Bay, Piranha Light Missile
SV-2000 Assault Missile Bay, Piranha Light Missile
Projectile Ambit Extension I
Projectile Ambit Extension I
Projectile Burst Aerator I
Rigs are just there to show what I would fit in them. I might even fit them after tiered rigs come out tomorrow, depending upon price. Light missiles are there to help take down frigs, only other option would be neuts. As mentioned by someone else, you need T2 guns+barrage for the Stabber to work, otherwise use a Rupture.
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MalVortex
Reaper Industries
Eternal Rapture
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Posted - 2009.08.20 05:06:00 -
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The omen is beyond terrible. Terrible fitting, terrible tank, terrible dps. Don't waste your time on any stock T1 amarr cruiser besides the Arbitrator.
Punisher vs. Rifter at least has a bit of debate. Rifter is overall "better" - superior damage, great tracking to kill drones, etc. The punisher can fit a mean bleeder fit with autocannons though, but that isn't really solo feasible if your target has any friends in the game. Good gang ship though.
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Mr Mork
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Posted - 2009.08.20 15:24:00 -
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Originally by: Victoria Akmea
Yes, I know there is no best ship, it's all personal opinion...Fine. What ship will, statistically speaking, win more than 50% of the fights it engages?
Nothing will win solo when it gets blobbed. T1 cruisers will struggle against t2 cruisers.
As for 1v1 fights where your in a t1 cruiser and not dumb enough to go up against hac's and groups you have a couple choices. Arby, Vexor, Rupture are all spoken highly of. You need light drones to not be killed by frigates and you need tank. Arby's tank is smaller but buffed by the tracking disrupts.
imho vexor comes out on top but they each have situations where they outshine the others, rupture can shoot something on a gate in a pinch and not worry about losing all its dps when the gate guns starting poping its drones, arby is very useful against larger ships and in a fleet setting can lend some tank to other ships with tracking disrupts, vexor seems to come out ahead when fighting arby/rupture damage wise while holding a similar tank.
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Radcjk
Caldari
Failed Diplomacy
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Posted - 2009.08.20 15:33:00 -
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Originally by: MalVortex
The omen is beyond terrible. Terrible fitting, terrible tank, terrible dps. Don't waste your time on any stock T1 amarr cruiser besides the Arbitrator.
Sure. I've been on plenty of kills in an omen, some good solos, and the only thing that gives it trouble is ruptures and some arbitrators. Thorax, stabbers, caracals, moas, vexor depending on plate size... all easily doable.
It doesn't out run a Stabber, but it does out gun it, whether at range with scorch or much closer with multi-freq's if it gets dead on top of you. It doesn't benefit from the shield extender though, so its a glass cannon fit. Also, the cpu gets tight as hell. I dont worry much about mwd cap level due to injector.
[Omen, Speed / Gank]
Focused Medium Pulse Laser II x5 (Scorch, Navy Multi back up)
10mn mwd
fleeting warp disruptor
medium electrochem' cap injector.
Heat Sink x3
Overdrive x2
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Warrior x3 (light ecm has also worked, but I prefer the warriors).
Averages about 21 mil, mostly in guns / crystals / heat sinks. fun little fail boat.
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Herpes Sweatrash
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Posted - 2009.08.20 16:35:00 -
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I fly arbitrator most of the time for pvp and I love it. Either with tackle for solo or double tracking disruptors for small gang. I trained minmatar frigates, small proj etc first because I think the slot layout of the a lot of the amarr frig hulls are no good for solo.
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Lubomir Penev
Dark Nexxus
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Posted - 2009.08.20 17:59:00 -
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Originally by: MalVortex
The omen is beyond terrible. Terrible fitting, terrible tank, terrible dps. Don't waste your time on any stock T1 amarr cruiser besides the Arbitrator.
Omen is perfectly competitive with Stabber. Same tank (LSE), bit less speed, lot more dps at its combat range (circa 20km, Pulse with scorch vs AC with barrage). More drones vs the stabber 2 utility highs.
Or do you try to armor tank it? It just doesn't have the grid to do so.
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Raxip Elamp
Gunpoint Diplomacy
Rote Kapelle
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Posted - 2009.08.20 18:14:00 -
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Instead of the above cruisers, I'd like to suggest you look into the Bellicose. Faster than the rupture, better DPS than the Stabber, and a surprisingly hardened tank. I'll include a decent fitting, especially viable now that cruiser rigs are cheap.
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[Bellicose, Battlecose -3 Rigs]
Damage Control II
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
10MN MicroWarpdrive I
J5 Prototype Warp Disruptor I
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Dual 180mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M
Dual 180mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M
Dual 180mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M
Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I
Hammerhead II x3
Hobgoblin II x2
And put offline modules in the remaining Highs.
Also, in my experience, Rifter > Punisher, in that you can fly beneath the tracking of the punisher.
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Josorna
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Posted - 2009.08.20 19:54:00 -
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Originally by: Raxip Elamp
And put offline modules in the remaining Highs.
Hasn't it been cleared out a long time ago that empty slot is as good heat absorber as offline mod is?
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Lubomir Penev
Dark Nexxus
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Posted - 2009.08.20 20:02:00 -
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Originally by: Josorna
Originally by: Raxip Elamp
And put offline modules in the remaining Highs.
Hasn't it been cleared out a long time ago that empty slot is as good heat absorber as offline mod is?
And? Those offline salvagers and remote rep come damn handy after the fight... Still some morons fitting offline smartbombs otoh...
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Borun Tal
Minmatar
Virtual Rock Industries
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Posted - 2009.08.20 20:58:00 -
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Originally by: The Djego
Both are pointless without T2 guns.
That's an interesting comment. Why? I'm not of the opinion that everyone needs T2 to survive in this game, so....
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Davinel Lulinvega
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Posted - 2009.08.20 21:03:00 -
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Originally by: Borun Tal
Originally by: The Djego
Both are pointless without T2 guns.
That's an interesting comment. Why? I'm not of the opinion that everyone needs T2 to survive in this game, so....
Because they are fast and fragile ships that need to stay out of web range. Good luck doing any dps at that range without scorch or barrage.
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Hiroshima Jita
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Posted - 2009.08.20 21:31:00 -
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Both the omen and stabber blow chunks. At least the stabber has some speed on its side. Take a look at the bellicose. Or a shield tanked nano nuet arbitrator. Rupture can also be very good but it sounds like you want a more nanod playstyle.
Skilled piloting and use of overheating can render the stabber's speed useless when you dip into scram range for a sec. And if you fail to scram it you can always burn back to the gate and jump. Against the omen you simply close up to short range and own its sorry ass. An arby with a medium nuet would probably even shut down the omen's guns while putting out simular dps with small guns and drones, and tanking much much more (2 LSE >>>>> 1 LSE).
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Tortugan
F9X
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Posted - 2009.08.20 21:53:00 -
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Any ship is viable for PVP if you make it so. Best advice I can give you is find a good ship to learn the ropes in- ruptures aren't bad, since they're pretty straightforward- tackle, shoot. With ships like stabbers, you have to pay a lot more attention to watching out for yourself- so they're harder to get used to.
Anyhow, find a good starter ship like a rupture, get used to flying it, and then push its fits to the limits- try something new every time you fly it- shield tank and ganked out? Nano'd to all hell? ECM Drones? Experiment and find what works best for you, and even when you find your ultimate fit, keep trying new things. If you lose a ship, so what? Make some ISK, buy a new one and get back to kicking a$$ :)
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Suitonia
Gallente
Genos Occidere
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Posted - 2009.08.21 04:50:00 -
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[Omen, New Setup 1]
F85 Peripheral Damage System I
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II
Overdrive Injector System II
Overdrive Injector System II
10MN MicroWarpdrive I
Faint Warp Disruptor I
Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
[empty rig slot]
[empty rig slot]
[empty rig slot]
Hobgoblin II x3
This works ok for an Omen, 1871m/s, 340dps to 20kmn. For rigs I'd probably go Collision accelerator + 2x Shield resist/field extenders. If you have max skills you can get 2x energy weapon rigs. You could also consider Locus rigs/speed rigs.
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