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Karn Mithralia
Minmatar Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.08.28 01:00:00 -
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Perhaps this will get through to some of my old foes, and anyone else who knows my reputation.
You have my word that we do not pay rent to anyone.
So there ya go, my word, over that of Edart of no affiliation. Either I'm a liar, or he wouldn't know his arse from his alternative elbow.
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Grr
Amarr Epitoth Guard Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2009.08.28 01:18:00 -
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Originally by: Karn Mithralia Perhaps this will get through to some of my old foes, and anyone else who knows my reputation.
You have my word that we do not pay rent to anyone.
Your alliance are pirates, terrorists, thieves and I do wish to see you all rounded up an exterminated for the safety of the Empire however...
I believe you if that means anything. Pirates you might be but your word is honourable and you have always been so in our dealings at least. Thousands of others won't believe you of course but I'm sure you won't loose any sleep over that.
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Dr Edart
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Posted - 2009.08.28 04:57:00 -
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Originally by: Xennith I think that I'd rather take the word of ButterDog than a man who seems to be the entire Sylph Alliance diplomatic wing, but who cannot remember his own name.
Edart seems very vocal on his hatred for UK, which is odd as our kill logs show no record of him at all. The man is an obvious dupe, perhaps his big claims hide big secrets? Perhaps instead of having all of these "sources" he in fact has a bit of a grudge and a need to talk a lot of smack?
I dont hate Umust Kloak, I just dont like your ways, your pretty much nothing more that Pirates. If you want to come for your people, come for them, dont Pirate and say your coming for them by Pirating.
if your going to be a renter, be one, be the best renter you can be, just stop lieing about it.
You guys always with the same broken datacore, but yet Providence and CVA are growing and developing a piece of 0.0 like for everyone to enjoy, and I think you guys hate that success if anyone is hating anything.
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Aquinzus
Amarr Modern Marvels
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Posted - 2009.08.28 05:01:00 -
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I too, am not me.
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Sarah Amadou
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Posted - 2009.08.28 05:04:00 -
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I can confirm that I am not me either.
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pygonis
Gallente CORE Elements Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.08.28 05:32:00 -
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Originally by: Dr Edart By the looks of that Killboard link it seems UK are claiming a victory over what it is clearly a -A-, Atlas, PL, Razor, -10, and others victory.
UK seems to have lost almost every ship they fielded, it is clear -A- and company did all the work and UK are riding the coat tails calling it thier success.
Maybe you shouldnt brag so much about something that your were only an insignificant part of, and then claiming it yours, makes you look bad.
We did not lose "almost every ship we fielded" your information is wrong.
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Xennith
Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.08.28 07:25:00 -
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Originally by: Grr
Your alliance are pirates, terrorists, thieves
Well, we'd be the only NRDS pirates in existance, who do not ransom people. You say terrorist where others would say "freedom fighter", and those Sylph towers were just cluttering up space, we were providing a service by removing them and putting them to good use. |
Dinaahk Elam
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Posted - 2009.08.28 08:22:00 -
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Got an evemail from the Boss when I logged in to remind everyone that I am not me as well.
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Butter Dog
Gallente The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.08.28 08:50:00 -
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Edart, if you transmitted on Galnet with an alliance ticker, perhaps people might think what you said contained a grain of truth. As it stands, we can only thank you for the comedy.
It is also extremely gratifiying to see that CVA and Co have finally admitted that Sylph are unable to stand alone against U'K, and have started propping them up using both time and ship losses to do so. But you can only prop up a corpse for so long before it decomposes and collapses on you anyway. Enjoy. ----------
AKA 'Bitter Dog'
Failing at everything he does in EvE since '05 |
Xennith
Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.08.28 09:04:00 -
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Now butterdog, you're being unfair. There were two Sylph alliance in that fight, thats an amazing turnout. |
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Neu Bastian
Minmatar Valklear Guard Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.08.28 14:17:00 -
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We'd have no quarrel with CVA's business model if it didn't include slavery.
But it does, and anyone that supports its is guilty of complicity.
May I remind you that Ushra'Khan is NRDS everywhere in the known universe, but providence and catch?
As for calling us cowards, the providence power block consist of over eight thousand capsuleers. We're eight hundred. Its easier to feel mighty with those raw odds.
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Grr
Amarr Epitoth Guard Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2009.08.28 16:29:00 -
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Originally by: Neu Bastian We'd have no quarrel with CVA's business model if it didn't include slavery.
But it does, and anyone that supports its is guilty of complicity.
May I remind you that Ushra'Khan is NRDS everywhere in the known universe, but providence and catch?
As for calling us cowards, the providence power block consist of over eight thousand capsuleers. We're eight hundred. Its easier to feel mighty with those raw odds.
Utter rubbish.
When you consider how many non holder alliances support our cause its more like twelve thousand.
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ShadowandLight
Amarr Hammer Of Light Praetorian Guards.
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Posted - 2009.08.28 17:26:00 -
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Originally by: Grr
Originally by: Neu Bastian We'd have no quarrel with CVA's business model if it didn't include slavery.
But it does, and anyone that supports its is guilty of complicity.
May I remind you that Ushra'Khan is NRDS everywhere in the known universe, but providence and catch?
As for calling us cowards, the providence power block consist of over eight thousand capsuleers. We're eight hundred. Its easier to feel mighty with those raw odds.
Utter rubbish.
When you consider how many non holder alliances support our cause its more like twelve thousand.
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Butter Dog
Gallente The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.08.28 17:42:00 -
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I wonder how many 'holders' are looking at Sylph space right now, and thinking 'hmmm, we could really do with that extra space'. Providence is crowded, resources thin on the ground. And right now a dysfunctional, near-dead alliance is tying it up.
Perhaps CVA and the 'holders' would be doing themselves a favour by allowing Sylph alliance to collapse, as seems inevitable. We certainly would not want the space.
Cut the cord, and let nature take its wonderful course
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AKA 'Bitter Dog'
Failing at everything he does in EvE since '05 |
Neu Bastian
Minmatar Valklear Guard Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.08.28 21:00:00 -
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Originally by: Grr
Originally by: Neu Bastian 8000 to 800
Utter rubbish.
When you consider how many non holder alliances support our cause its more like twelve thousand.
damn Grr... I think I like you.
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Insane Nutmunch
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Posted - 2009.09.06 18:37:00 -
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Well its been a week or so since this thread was updated.
What fares of the mighty Sylph, have they run aground on the rocks of fail cascade, or are they plotting a course to recovery ?
I hear on the intergalatic grapevine that a new hand is on the tiller. Will he steer them to calmer waters or go down with the ship ?
Whatever the future holds, I think its pretty clear now that U'K 's defiant chest beating, and glorious grab for the credit of bringing Sylph to it's knees, now seems a tad on the premature side.
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Xennith
Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.09.06 19:15:00 -
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*Another* new leader and reorganisation?
I think that Sylph have officially outsourced their combat wing to CVA now, which obviously makes it more efficient and stronger than ever, as the last fleet seen rushing to defend Sylph assets contained exactly zero sylph pilots. (A good showing by the provibloc however).
Thereagain, you can't expect Sylph to come rushing back from empire everytime we take out their hardware, there are after all, fewer Sylph in their space than Dark Taboo. |
Nachshon
Caldari Minmatar Ship Construction Services Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.09.09 18:17:00 -
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Originally by: Grr When you consider how many non holder alliances support our cause its more like twelve thousand.
Well, to be fair, you do provide a fairly stable environment in Providence, enough to attract capsuleers who don't give a damn about slaves - or, indeed, non-capsuleers of any kind.
Were you not slaveholders, you would not be our enemy. ____________________________________ Caldari by birth, Minmatar by citizenship.
The True Meaning of Freedom
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Noonesoski
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Posted - 2009.09.11 19:05:00 -
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I heard that you guys suffered almost 20 billion isk in losses somewhere else while you were going after that tower. Care to comment?
Originally by: Butter Dog Edited by: Butter Dog on 20/08/2009 19:32:15
Originally by: Grr I know what I believe and any amount of Ushra'Khan chest beating about how Sylph won't fight is just pure hypocritical comedy gold.
Yeah, I'm sure they just 'forgot' to defend their large Empire based towers with billions of ISK in labs, which the corp concerned begged the alliance for help in defending. Calls which fell on deaf ears.
Very credible
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Xennith
Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.09.11 19:49:00 -
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Are you refering to the fight in 2j where after we finished with the Sylph tower (after sylph failed to offer anything but token resistance) we went and helped our allies destroy a further 2 slaver starbases while inflicting punishing losses on the combined enemy fleet (which contained no sylph (seeing a theme?)) forcing them to withdraw and letting us loot the field?
Public records show that whilst we took about 14 billion isk in damage in that fight, we inflicted about 3 times that and fufilled our objective.
Whilst this thread is about Sylph alliance and their inability to field a fleet or look after their own assets, it is nice of you to bring up a recent UK victory. I suppose its a way of highlighting the fact that Sylph's allies consider them such a waste of a standings slot that they were apparently not invited to an important fight where everyone else was. |
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Heitaro Kimura
Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.09.11 20:04:00 -
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Edited by: Heitaro Kimura on 11/09/2009 20:07:10 Edited by: Heitaro Kimura on 11/09/2009 20:06:27 I was in both fights for that tower in Paye.
During both shooting it into reinforced and shooting it to pieces, afaik we didn't lose ANY ship. (which our KB backs up. The only losses in Paye leading up to the tower kill, were a hurricane and manticore, as you can see here.)The only pvp we got from it was a bump-war with some neutral haulers trying to make off with the labs, which was hilarious in and of itself.
Luckily Sylph didn't defend their tower in Paye, else we might've been 5 minutes late to the fight in 2J.
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Xennith
Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.09.11 20:06:00 -
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But once we'd done that tower, we went off and had a fight and (gasp) some ships died. |
O Thief
The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.09.12 00:09:00 -
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Edited by: O Thief on 12/09/2009 00:09:59
Originally by: Noonesoski I heard that you guys suffered almost 20 billion isk in losses somewhere else while you were going after that tower. Care to comment?
We had a fight in 2J, lost about 40 battleships (you can insure them) and racked up over 350 kills.
We were very happy.
PS - insured battleships don't cost 500m each to lose. Also, Sylph had nothing to do with the fight at 2J, try grasping at some other straw please.
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progodlegend
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Posted - 2009.09.12 09:00:00 -
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Edited by: progodlegend on 12/09/2009 09:03:07 Edited by: progodlegend on 12/09/2009 09:02:03 Edited by: progodlegend on 12/09/2009 09:00:42
Originally by: Butter Dog Edited by: Butter Dog on 23/08/2009 17:24:35
Originally by: Dr Edart
Therefore you are pets with masters, who demand that ISK every month.
Not a single ISK has been passed between U'K and -A-, although we do donate LO for their jump bridge network that we use.
Therefore your whole comparison of U'K as 'renters' is completely worthless. So let's recap
* We're not told how to manage our standings * We had better participation than every single 'holder' * We're not renters
U'K willingly and joyfully threw 100 pilots into 2J, whereas the average 'holder' (more numerous than us) managed barely 50. Why is that? I'll tell you - we participate and fight with our allies because they are that: allies, not masters in the way CVA are to their 'holders'.
It seems to me you need to look up the meaning of the word 'ally' and then you might understand the basis of the relationship we have with -A- and ATLAS. Hint: it's nothing to do with masters, pets, rent, or engagement rules
Look forward to your considered response.
Ok lets review, for starters, for willingly and joyfully throwing pilots 100 pilts into the fight? Yea whatever. You said it on your own news reports on your wesbite that y'all were running a CTA for the Paye tower, then an -a- FC contacted yall for help.
Instead of willingly and joyfully heading over to 2J, you decided to finish off the tower with the plans of going there after, I'm only assuming. But then you stuck around with your entire fleet picking up labs and playing grab ass with neutrals, when everyone knows had you been in a real hurry, you would have just left some support there and brought the BS back immediatley. Instead, You stayed there with your whole fleet untill, as you call it, the -a- FC was urgently calling yall over to the fight. But, if I had to guess I would say it was probably less urgently asking for yall to come back and more like urgently telling yall to hurry up what is taking so long get the hell over here y'all suck.
You had better participation than every single 'holder'? That the holders only brought 50 members per except CVA? Really? Lets check the killboards.
(88) Ushra'Khan (93) Libertas Fidelitas (81) Sev3rance (109) Curatores Veritatis Alliance (72) Cold Steel Alliance
Now I'll give you the benefit of the doubt with cold steel because their system was under attack, but then I'll take it right back. Because they have less than 600 people, meaning they got near 20% partipation, more than you will ever have.
Not to mention, while you guys were on a CTA, and you can't say that you weren't, Uk just doesn't get that many pilots unless they call CTA's, the only Holders that were CTA'ed was STEEL, and thats because its there system.
And finally, I'm still confused as to why you keep bringing up the 2J fight, because Uk's involvement in it was nothing more than comedy. When yall first came into 2j when it was just you guys and -a-, yall got slaughtered, and it was funny to watch, because yall didn't have effective sniper fits and it was obvious. The only reason we started to lose that fight is because -a- had brought good reinforcements, but mainly because, just like the last 2j fight before it, Atlas brought a 100 man Hac gang. Uk didn't do anything in that fight except die, Atlas was the one that burned all our tackle and made the difference.
So as Uk is busy crediting themselves for decreasing the amount of carebearing going on in Sylph space by leaving cloaked pilots in system, everyone else is busy realizing that its just not that big of a deal.
P.s - nice sov in catch
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Xennith
Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.09.12 09:10:00 -
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Quote: When yall first came into 2j when it was just you guys and -a-, yall got slaughtered, and it was funny to watch, because yall didn't have effective sniper fits and it was obvious.
Well, when we first jumped into your fleet, we did take a few loses (including my rather s****ly fit Rokh which I had thankfully just insured) but then swung the fight and held the field. Explain to me if you will exactly how due to us getting slaughtered, you ran away and hid at a deathstar. Ill be interested to hear the strategic reason for withdrawing from a fight that you obviously think that you were winning. Is it because "yall" got bubbled and torn to ribbons? Thats where I'd place my money too. |
Butter Dog
Gallente The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.09.12 09:51:00 -
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Edited by: Butter Dog on 12/09/2009 09:53:38
Originally by: progodlegend rambling
I have no idea who you are, but you're clueless and wrong.
"But you're going to have to contend with the facts that we turned up, blew up more ships than we lost, held the field, and destroyed the towers.
Smells like victory to me."
Sums it up nicely.
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AKA 'Bitter Dog'
Failing at everything he does in EvE since '05 |
Noonesoski
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Posted - 2009.09.12 13:13:00 -
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I didn't say Sylph could claim victory, but I just thought it was funny where your priorities lie...
Originally by: Xennith ...but he thought that by claiming we lost 20 billion isk in shipping soon after dropping a sylph faction tower he could somehow claim a victory. Now if you want to continue to argue about who won that fight, a new thread might be better for it. But you're going to have to contend with the facts that we turned up, blew up more ships than we lost, held the field, and destroyed the towers.
Smells like victory to me.
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Xennith
Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.09.12 13:37:00 -
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Originally by: Noonesoski I didn't say Sylph could claim victory, but I just thought it was funny where your priorities lie...
Oh really? Tell me, what are our priorities, why are they "incorrect", what should they be and why is this funny?
I suppose more importantly, why did you bring it up if you didnt think that you could use it to claim a victory? |
Noonesoski
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Posted - 2009.09.12 15:01:00 -
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Hey, if you are prepared to loose 14 bil because you guys are taking out a hisec tower, who am I to judge? If you are looking to me to tell you what your priorities should be, then wow.
Originally by: Xennith
Originally by: Noonesoski I didn't say Sylph could claim victory, but I just thought it was funny where your priorities lie...
Oh really? Tell me, what are our priorities, why are they "incorrect", what should they be and why is this funny?
I suppose more importantly, why did you bring it up if you didnt think that you could use it to claim a victory?
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Xennith
Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.09.12 15:19:00 -
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Edited by: Xennith on 12/09/2009 15:21:53 You seem to be a little hard of understanding.
We took out the highsec tower with little resistance and no losses. We then moved on and did something else and lost some ships to secure a victory. Those losses were more than acceptable for the victory we won and the gains made. We call this process "combat" and whilst it may be a little hard for a Sylphie to understand the concept of actually fighting, most other people seem to realise that it is neccessary sometimes.
You can focus on our losses while ignoring our gains in that fight if you wish, but dont try to pretend that you had anything to do with them, or that they were related to the Sylph tower we took down. I think that saying "yeah, we won that because later on you lost some ships to CVA et al" is frankly laughable.
As far as I can tell, you seem to believe that our priority should be minimising ship losses by refusing to undock, and consider the idea of being willing to fight quite funny. You seem quite odd. |
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