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Nostradamus Negulesco
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Posted - 2009.08.20 01:39:00 -
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Where have all the Slyph pilots gone? Empty 0.0 systems, no Slyph in any of the market/mission hubs, a few lonely station campers in the Kari pipe - is this what remains of a once mighty CVA pet alliance? U'k can confirm that three or four dozen Slyph pilots are active in their space - the other five hundred? Who knows?
I'm sure that Slyph command will claim business as usual, that the U'k interdiction is of no consequence, and so on.
However, CVA and others are being increasingly forced to defend Slyph space from U'k raids, with bubble camps and interceptor gangs. Going to ground in a war is a short-term solution. It won't win a war, but will damage your reputation and the respect your allies have for you. Ask yourselves, are you an asset to your allies? And at what point do you become a liability?
Come out and fight Slyph. For your own good. For the good of your loyal pilots. Adapt, learn new tricks, change your tactics, but above all, fight.
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Torgo harvin
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Posted - 2009.08.20 02:36:00 -
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<reserved for later comment(it is coming i just need to stop laughing>
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Sarah Amadou
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Posted - 2009.08.20 03:43:00 -
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I recently sold Sylph a supply of cloaking devices, they said they were going to adapt UK tactics and sit all day claoked out in space pretending someone cares about them, and when they saw an opportunity to uncloak and catch you they would.
However they doubted they would get any combat from you since you were cloaked looking for them, seems the best way for you to actually fight is if you bump into eachother while cloaked and decloak one another.
Either way thanks for the business!
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Suitonia
Gallente Genos Occidere
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Posted - 2009.08.20 04:20:00 -
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A cloaked ship does not decloak another cloaked ship though. ---
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Corewin
NoD Imperium
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Posted - 2009.08.20 06:18:00 -
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Originally by: Suitonia A cloaked ship does not decloak another cloaked ship though.
2000 meters is the universal decloaking distance. Two cloaked ships closer than 2000 meters from one another, will indeed compromise both ships. Although considering the parties involved, both would reverse course and recloak, claiming the other was a coward for doing so.
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Chooch Chooch
Chooch Inc.
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Posted - 2009.08.20 15:55:00 -
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Ok for the last time, and I will say this slow because UK pilots may be mighty warriors but also it seems a little thick in the skull.
ALL OF THE SYLPH PVP PILOTS AND FLEET COMMANDERS LEFT.
THE ONLY PILOTS LEFT ARE THE CAREBEARS WHO KNEW BETTER THAN EVERYONE ELSE.
THESE ARE THE SAME PILOTS THAT LOGGED OFF, WENT SUDDENLY AFK OR RAN INTO A WORM HOLE THE FIRST SIGN OF A THREAT.
SO NOW THAT ALL THE FIGHTERS HAVE LEFT, WHO DO YOU EXPECT TO COME OUT AND GREET YOU? WHO DO YOU EXPECT TO LEARN NEW TACTICS.
THIS IS WHAT THOSE THAT REMAINED WANTED BECAUSE THEY KNEW BETTER AND NOW THIS IS WHAT THEY GOT.
Caps were used to stress the point. Please note that any slight on the brain capacity of UNITY pilots is not a reflection of the alliance as a whole not the Minmatar race in general. Only the long term effects of Vitoc abuse and cloaking fields.
I do believe that everyone knows what is up with Sylph at this time and there is really no need to keep asking or repeating it.
However a philosophical question I leave you all with.
Can an alliance that thrives on vengence for a wrong done ages ago, survive once they have had their revenge?
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Dame Death
Minmatar The Black Rabbits The Gurlstas Associates
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Posted - 2009.08.20 15:56:00 -
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Originally by: Corewin
Originally by: Suitonia A cloaked ship does not decloak another cloaked ship though.
2000 meters is the universal decloaking distance. Two cloaked ships closer than 2000 meters from one another, will indeed compromise both ships. Although considering the parties involved, both would reverse course and recloak, claiming the other was a coward for doing so.
A cloaked ship will not decloak annother cloaked ship. Suit is right for once.
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Chooch Chooch
Chooch Inc.
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Posted - 2009.08.20 15:57:00 -
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Edited by: Chooch Chooch on 20/08/2009 16:06:55 sorry it double hit for some reason please ignore this
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Corewin
NoD Imperium
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Posted - 2009.08.20 16:04:00 -
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Originally by: Dame Death
Originally by: Corewin
Originally by: Suitonia A cloaked ship does not decloak another cloaked ship though.
2000 meters is the universal decloaking distance. Two cloaked ships closer than 2000 meters from one another, will indeed compromise both ships. Although considering the parties involved, both would reverse course and recloak, claiming the other was a coward for doing so.
A cloaked ship will not decloak annother cloaked ship. Suit is right for once.
Lets say there are two cloaked ships. Both are at the same planet. One of these ships warps off to a gate at 100km. Followed shortly by the other, also landing at 100km. Both ships decloak. Personal experience.
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Dame Death
Minmatar The Black Rabbits The Gurlstas Associates
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Posted - 2009.08.20 16:12:00 -
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Ive had a Falcon warp to me when we was both cloaked I was not moving so he landed at 0 this was before the changes to the Falc though hence why I was getting a spot for him. I did not decloak.
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Academy CEO
Minmatar The Littlest Hobos Assets and Banking
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Posted - 2009.08.20 16:36:00 -
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Originally by: Sarah Amadou I recently sold Sylph a supply of cloaking devices, they said they were going to adapt UK tactics and sit all day claoked out in space pretending someone cares about them, and when they saw an opportunity to uncloak and catch you they would.
However they doubted they would get any combat from you since you were cloaked looking for them, seems the best way for you to actually fight is if you bump into eachother while cloaked and decloak one another.
Either way thanks for the business!
When we destoryed their 3bn isk highsec large faction tower with 80 battleships, the only Sylph pilots in system were indeed cloaked - in haulers, trying to scavenge mods (unsuccessfully).
It seems that Sylph dare not counter the U'K. How tragic.
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Grr
Amarr Epitoth Guard Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2009.08.20 16:55:00 -
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Originally by: Nostradamus Negulesco Where have all the Slyph pilots gone? Empty 0.0 systems, no Slyph in any of the market/mission hubs, a few lonely station campers in the Kari pipe - is this what remains of a once mighty CVA pet alliance? U'k can confirm that three or four dozen Slyph pilots are active in their space - the other five hundred? Who knows?
I'm sure that Slyph command will claim business as usual, that the U'k interdiction is of no consequence, and so on.
However, CVA and others are being increasingly forced to defend Slyph space from U'k raids, with bubble camps and interceptor gangs. Going to ground in a war is a short-term solution. It won't win a war, but will damage your reputation and the respect your allies have for you. Ask yourselves, are you an asset to your allies? And at what point do you become a liability?
Come out and fight Slyph. For your own good. For the good of your loyal pilots. Adapt, learn new tricks, change your tactics, but above all, fight.
I won't claim business as usual for Sylph as I spend most of my time in Providence and the Empire rather than Catch but I can tell you the facts from where I stand.
CVA have not been asked to come defend Sylph at all recently and have had multiple offers from Sylph fleet commanders to assist us with operations.
An alliance "going to ground" or an alliance doing just fine and not being effected by Ushra'Khans campaign against them at all. I know what I believe and any amount of Ushra'Khan chest beating about how Sylph won't fight is just pure hypocritical comedy gold.
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Lord Makk
Trust Doesn't Rust Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.08.20 16:56:00 -
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Originally by: Chooch Chooch ALL OF THE SYLPH PVP PILOTS AND FLEET COMMANDERS LEFT.
THE ONLY PILOTS LEFT ARE THE CAREBEARS WHO KNEW BETTER THAN EVERYONE ELSE.
THESE ARE THE SAME PILOTS THAT LOGGED OFF, WENT SUDDENLY AFK OR RAN INTO A WORM HOLE THE FIRST SIGN OF A THREAT.
SO NOW THAT ALL THE FIGHTERS HAVE LEFT, WHO DO YOU EXPECT TO COME OUT AND GREET YOU? WHO DO YOU EXPECT TO LEARN NEW TACTICS.
THIS IS WHAT THOSE THAT REMAINED WANTED BECAUSE THEY KNEW BETTER AND NOW THIS IS WHAT THEY GOT.
I feel I have a level of "expertise" on this field, so I should naturally comment.
Being ex-sylph and ex-FC for Sylph, I find myself agreeing with some points Chooch here is making (unbeliebable!!)
This has been the same for ages, the bears apply pressure and ***** on the combat fighters, the fighters simply gets tired and leaves as they have nothing but useless fleet members to work with.
Now, apply some outside pressure to the inside turmoil by blowing up/stealing all the industry assets one can come across... what happens? Don't come and tell us that we did not have a single finger involved in the disintegration and 750 members leaving as of late :p
The result is quite clear, carebears ***** at fighterpilots all day long. Fighterpilots realise they have better places where the grass is greener to go to, or simply that they cannot take being *****ed at by unthankful *******s all day long, and leaves.
There is also the second fact wich is on the table. There is only thus far you can progress being in most pet-alliances, you will be held back and unable to learn new things and tecniques because the majority is fail, and you fight overwhelmingly experienced forces.
Don't argue on that please, this comes from experience.. Pilots are being held back as a pet. Chooch probably have seen it as well, as well as everyone else that left, now on their way to greatness someplace else.
I have argued with many a pilot as to their feeling of usefulness or how capable they are whle them being in a pet alliance for ages. Now several pilots have left for other stomping grounds.. Do you know what they tell me?
"Jesus Makk, you were right, I am much better off another place, I progress and learn, no longer being held back by endless whines and useless, greedy individuals"
Oh, and some of them dwell in TDR :P
Originally by: Chooch Chooch Can an alliance that thrives on vengence for a wrong done ages ago, survive once they have had their revenge?
Yes. Ushra'Khan will prevail for all eternity, that is the strength of the integrity, honor and pride the warriors have. Once the revenge has been had, there are other great things that must be done.
Just lie down and die... mkay slyph?
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Neu Bastian
Minmatar Valklear Guard Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.08.20 17:49:00 -
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Edited by: Neu Bastian on 20/08/2009 17:50:05 The only think that keeps Sylph in place is the fact that the providence holders will support them if attacked by us.
Sylph knows it, we know it, providence holders know it.
Their POSes are still in place and their stations are still owned by them simply because CVA and pets would not miss a chance to destroy Ushra'Khan fleets. If I was them, I wouldn't miss that chance either.
Unfortunate that no one else cares.
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Neu Bastian Valklear Guard - CEO
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Butter Dog
Gallente The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.08.20 17:51:00 -
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Edited by: Butter Dog on 20/08/2009 17:58:57
Originally by: Grr I know what I believe and any amount of Ushra'Khan chest beating about how Sylph won't fight is just pure hypocritical comedy gold.
Yeah, I'm sure they just 'forgot' to defend their large Empire based towers with billions of ISK in labs, which the corp concerned begged the alliance for help in defending. Calls which fell on deaf ears.
Very credible
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Tronjay the'3rd
Caldari Phantasmal Collective Wicked Nation
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Posted - 2009.08.20 18:44:00 -
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Sylph will prevail, It has seen lots of ups and downs over the years. How come U'K(loakers) keeps whining over the years? Fight like you whine and you will do well and plz, plz stop (u')kloaking all the time. The moment you will come out and fight with fleets, that moment I will fight side by side with my Sylph friends. It seems to me Sylph is just having a minor setback, nothing to worry about U'K(loakers). |
Xennith
Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.08.20 19:09:00 -
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We reinforced a large highsec starbase belonging to Sylph using a battleship fleet, two days later we went back to finish the job, using a battleship fleet again and were met with a deafening silence.
Stripped of the protection of their masters, Sylph cannot muster even a token defence force against us.
We then moved on to aid in the liberation of the 2J system, again deploying an (uncloaked) fleet of battleships and were met by a mixed fleet of fleshmerchants and their many pets, but Sylph seemed very thin on the ground there as well. |
Nostradamus Negulesco
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Posted - 2009.08.20 19:23:00 -
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A clarification:
The number of Slyph pilots in Slyph territory has decreased dramatically. This is an observable phenomenon. There are far fewer ice-mining operations, convoys or ratters to be found. Fewer gate-camps, roaming fleets or interceptor gangs. Systems that were teeming with activity two months ago are genuinely empty. Speaking with Slyph pilots on local systems comms, it's clear that many are tired of U'k interdiction and unable to operate with U'k present. These pilots probably deserve more than rhetoric from their leaders.
Nor can I claim any knowledge of CVA/Slyph diplomatic relations, or agreements/offers made between said alliances. Nonetheless, I've observed that the interceptor/bubbler gangs now defending Slyph jump-gates are predominantly CVA or other Providence holding alliances. This is normal activity for Provi-bloc alliances. What's surprising is how few Slyph (at most half-a-dozen) join these fleets. I haven't seen a significant Slyph fleet in weeks of roaming their space.
Its not enough to keep your towers fueled and hope for the best. After weeks spent in enemy territory, it's clear that you aren't operating as you once did. A policy of blanket denial seems to be your chosen course of action.
In my opinion this is a betrayal of the pilots who support your leadership. If you won't acknowledge your problems publicly, then at least take some action to secure your space. There's honour in the attempt, at the very least.
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Kazzzi
Amarr Minmatar Ship Construction Services Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.08.20 21:09:00 -
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Sylph sympathizers laughing at their own demise, awesome
This war wont go away by you simply refusing to defend yourselves. Everyone including your allies know you have no loyalty to anything but your isk. Hiding in your stations clutching your wallets wont save your alliance.
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Thak Navari
Caldari Phantasmal Collective Wicked Nation
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Posted - 2009.08.20 22:36:00 -
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Id rather fly with UK!
Carebears seemed to know better than everyone else in Sylph.
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Exie
Phantasmal Collective Wicked Nation
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Posted - 2009.08.20 23:17:00 -
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Yea, I'm with Thak. The greedy bastards with in Sylph are by far the worst thing a Sylph combat pilot has to deal with. Killing, and being killed by UK is generally fun. Having to save stupid ass people over and over again, is not. UK had a hand, but the carebears will be the death of Sylph. E...
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Conlin
Gallente Sarz'na Khumatari Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.08.21 05:53:00 -
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Wise words from Thak being as he was one of the few who fought U'K within Sylph alliance , but not only did he have to fight U'K gangs invading his space , but his own pilots . One of the few Sylph I respected for his diligence and tenacity and saying it as it is ,with no spin .
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Nur AlHuda
Amarr Callide Vulpis
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Posted - 2009.08.21 11:22:00 -
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Edited by: Nur AlHuda on 21/08/2009 11:22:37 Well Tribal terrorists maybe dont have weeks off but each year for two months most of the capsuleers fly to planets to enjoy holiday resorts.
Seems this simple fact has escaped UK each year and in the time they are staying cloaked in space and watch empty space some guys have great parties enjoy the alcohol and good looking womans.
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shanda captison
The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.08.21 12:09:00 -
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Originally by: Nur AlHuda Edited by: Nur AlHuda on 21/08/2009 11:22:37 Well Tribal terrorists maybe dont have weeks off but each year for two months most of the capsuleers fly to planets to enjoy holiday resorts.
Seems this simple fact has escaped UK each year and in the time they are staying cloaked in space and watch empty space some guys have great parties enjoy the alcohol and good looking womans.
I can confirm that lower Catch is absolutely deserted at the moment.
I guess Sylph are all indeed in these "holiday resorts" as they for sure aren't helping their allies defend assets. Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed dimensions of 400x120 pixels -Sahwoolo Etoophie |
Lord Makk
Trust Doesn't Rust Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.08.21 13:01:00 -
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Originally by: Tronjay the'3rd I will fight side by side with my Sylph friends.
Then you should be shot for treason as your alliance is hunting provi pets.
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Dr Edart
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Posted - 2009.08.21 19:46:00 -
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By the looks of that Killboard link it seems UK are claiming a victory over what it is clearly a -A-, Atlas, PL, Razor, -10, and others victory.
UK seems to have lost almost every ship they fielded, it is clear -A- and company did all the work and UK are riding the coat tails calling it thier success.
Maybe you shouldnt brag so much about something that your were only an insignificant part of, and then claiming it yours, makes you look bad.
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shanda captison
The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.08.21 21:19:00 -
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Originally by: Dr Edart By the looks of that Killboard link it seems UK are claiming a victory over what it is clearly a -A-, Atlas, PL, Razor, -10, and others victory.
UK seems to have lost almost every ship they fielded, it is clear -A- and company did all the work and UK are riding the coat tails calling it thier success.
Maybe you shouldnt brag so much about something that your were only an insignificant part of, and then claiming it yours, makes you look bad.
Lol, you are as stupid as you are a coward.
Not only are PL, and RZR on no ones side and were shooting both parties, (the latter being DDed and losing their entire fleet) but pick a point somewhere where I was claiming a victory? Obviously it was, but it was far from the point I was trying to make, if you had any kind of reading ability you would see that. But of course I forget posts must accommodate all capsuleers of various intellects, including those of the "lowest common denominator", so I will spell it out for you.
Point 1: Catch is not deserted, lots of fights are happening. Point 2: Out of 312 pilots fielded by the Providence allies, 4 were Sylph.
If you have any futher questions please dont hesistate to contact me, but dont waste the time of readers who have some kind of literacy. Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed dimensions of 400x120 pixels -Sahwoolo Etoophie |
Academy CEO
Minmatar The Littlest Hobos Assets and Banking
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Posted - 2009.08.21 21:51:00 -
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Originally by: Dr Edart By the looks of that Killboard link it seems UK are claiming a victory over what it is clearly a -A-, Atlas, PL, Razor, -10, and others victory.
UK seems to have lost almost every ship they fielded, it is clear -A- and company did all the work and UK are riding the coat tails calling it thier success.
Maybe you shouldnt brag so much about something that your were only an insignificant part of, and then claiming it yours, makes you look bad.
Wow, this is pure comedy gold.
Now, here are the facts for you to enjoy:
1) It's a UK killboard, so only the losses of U'K will show, not AAA or ATLAS. 2) U'K fielded approx 100 ships at peak, Sylph fielded... 4, which was the point being made 3) The link was simply used to demonstrate the point that lower Catch is not deserted as claimed 4) Nowhere in his post does shanda talk about 'victory' or claim it. However, we were indeed victorious, and it was a joint victory between AAA, UK, and ATLAS. AAA fielded the most ships, with UK and ATLAS fielding about 100 each at peak. 5) Every single providence alliance except CVA fielded significantly less ships than UK did... so if you claim that UK's contribution is insignificant, what does that make Paxton, CSA, Sylph, Aegis, and Severance's contribution? Please do tell me. 6) RZR and PL were not on the side of AAA/UK/ATLAS.
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Dr Edart
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Posted - 2009.08.21 22:00:00 -
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I think the rust from your ships has infected your brains, 2J was a CVA / Holder fight, not a Sylph fight, seems those 4 pilots had nothing better to do than shoot at you so they came, nothing more, nothing less.
Sylph probably were not even asked to join as they seem to not of been needed, from various killboards, it seems CVA / Holders did the most damage in ISK ships etc over the various participants. The towers may have been taken out, but with well over 7 hostile Alliances in there shooting everyone, the best thing CVA / Holders could of done is withdraw.
But go ahead and keep thinking your relevant and matter if it keeps your boat floating.
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Xennith
Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.08.21 22:10:00 -
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Well, due to the way that killboard work in this kind of engagement, every entity involved in that fight ended up with around 75% efficiency. However, the system is now free, massive damage was inflicted and minimal damage sustained. If you want to call that a victory for the empire, then Amarr Victor! thats the kind of win we can all get behind.
Just one minor thing, it looks like CVA did need the help of Sylph after all. Sadly Sylph were either deemed incapable of helping, or unable to attend for whatever reason. |
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Salron Starcrush
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Posted - 2009.08.21 22:31:00 -
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Originally by: Dr Edart I think the rust from your ships has infected your brains, 2J was a CVA / Holder fight, not a Sylph fight,
You heard it here first folks, Sylph no longer count as Providence allies!
We all knew CVA hated their guts all along, but now this completely random individual of seeming sub standard intellect, any kind of political knowledge, or even common sense has confirmed it.
The days of Sylph are numbered!
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Garreck
Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2009.08.21 22:39:00 -
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Originally by: Salron Starcrush
You heard it here first folks
Anyone who pays attention has heard it a thousand times, actually. Probably tired of hearing it at all but apparently it needs said again:
Sylph are not Holders. They are an ally of CVA to be sure, but they are not Providence Holders. It is an important distinction.
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DZA Preacher
Caldari State War Academy
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Posted - 2009.08.21 22:58:00 -
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Originally by: Garreck
Originally by: Salron Starcrush
You heard it here first folks
Anyone who pays attention has heard it a thousand times, actually. Probably tired of hearing it at all but apparently it needs said again:
Sylph are not Holders. They are an ally of CVA to be sure, but they are not Providence Holders. It is an important distinction.
Just so I understand, when "holders" space is under threat from hostiles as Cold Steels was from AAA, U'K etc. only "holders" are expected to usefully contribute to the defensive fleets, whilst "allies" can get away with fielding a few support ships?
I am very curious of your definition of "ally", as to most it means assisting and helping a fellow "ally" when they are in need, they seem to do nothing that's all.
Seems like a pretty nice deal they have, your ships die whilst they sit about doing nothing, Sylph aren't so stupid after all.
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Dr Edart
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Posted - 2009.08.22 03:07:00 -
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Originally by: Salron Starcrush
Originally by: Dr Edart I think the rust from your ships has infected your brains, 2J was a CVA / Holder fight, not a Sylph fight,
You heard it here first folks, Sylph no longer count as Providence allies!
We all knew CVA hated their guts all along, but now this completely random individual of seeming sub standard intellect, any kind of political knowledge, or even common sense has confirmed it.
The days of Sylph are numbered!
No one said said Sylph were no longer thier Allies, it is your words in a crude attempt to drive dissention where you fail to do it on your own time and time again. As usual typical banter grasping at straws to gain any sympathy for a lost cause while while bloating falsehoods and meaningless jabber.
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Dr Edart
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Posted - 2009.08.22 03:15:00 -
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Originally by: DZA Preacher
Originally by: Garreck
Originally by: Salron Starcrush
You heard it here first folks
Anyone who pays attention has heard it a thousand times, actually. Probably tired of hearing it at all but apparently it needs said again:
Sylph are not Holders. They are an ally of CVA to be sure, but they are not Providence Holders. It is an important distinction.
Just so I understand, when "holders" space is under threat from hostiles as Cold Steels was from AAA, U'K etc. only "holders" are expected to usefully contribute to the defensive fleets, whilst "allies" can get away with fielding a few support ships?
I am very curious of your definition of "ally", as to most it means assisting and helping a fellow "ally" when they are in need, they seem to do nothing that's all.
Seems like a pretty nice deal they have, your ships die whilst they sit about doing nothing, Sylph aren't so stupid after all.
Allies are Allied, and not demanded to do anything, unlike how UK have become -A- pets, it seems the relationship Sylph and CVA / Holders have with one another are of mutual respect and partnership dedicated to NRDS space and free access to all who wish to be constructive citizens within its boarders.
Your attempts to spew divide and desention between CVA / Holders and Sylph is nothing more than smoke amd mirrors so you may beat your chest and sing your praise of hollow victories that you were an insignifacant part of.
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Butter Dog
Gallente The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.08.22 09:58:00 -
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Edited by: Butter Dog on 22/08/2009 10:00:38
CVA calling UK pets? That's a little rich. Shall we compare our relationship with -A- to your relationship with your holders? It doens't look very favourable.
-A- do not enforce a standing list upon us, and they request (not demand) our participation in some battles. That's it. We and can also dock in their outposts (much like many other of our allies). Not once have -A- demanded anything from us. Not once have they told us how to manage our engagement policy, as you do your holders.
If that's the definition of 'pet', tell me where to roll over and bark.
As for 'hollow victories' and 'insignificant', we contributed more pilots to the 2J battle than any of the CVA 'holders'. Make of that what you will.
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Dr Edart
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Posted - 2009.08.22 19:00:00 -
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Originally by: Butter Dog Edited by: Butter Dog on 22/08/2009 10:00:38
CVA calling UK pets? That's a little rich. Shall we compare our relationship with -A- to your relationship with your holders? It doens't look very favourable.
-A- do not enforce a standing list upon us, and they request (not demand) our participation in some battles. That's it. We and can also dock in their outposts (much like many other of our allies). Not once have -A- demanded anything from us. Not once have they told us how to manage our engagement policy, as you do your holders.
If that's the definition of 'pet', tell me where to roll over and bark.
As for 'hollow victories' and 'insignificant', we contributed more pilots to the 2J battle than any of the CVA 'holders'. Make of that what you will.
I have no holders, I am not in CVA, Sylph or any Holders in Providence.
But since you want to compare, lets...
CVA claim and conquered Providence, it is thier space, if they give a piece of space to someone to "hold" develop, and oversee using thier guidlines set forth they are "Holders"
They agree with the CVA principle and want to help and be apart of something bigger than themsleves. They pay no rent, they adhere to the same rules as everyone who goes to Providence, they abide by the same cookie cutter standard of standings so everyone is on the same page and knows who is hostile and who is not.
Now you take what they so and you attempt to twist it, dilute it, and bend it, then repackage it into your garbage and then try to sell it to the general public with smoke and mirrors twisting what is done so that you can attempt to gain some sort of ideal of what you think you fight against.
-A- much like other renter Alliances dont require anything from thier renters other than ISK, and dont shoot our other renters or us. It is pretty simple to go and rent space, it does not require anything other than isk.
Therefore you are pets with masters, who demand that ISK every month. CVA demand nothing for living in Providence, other than adhering to rules that they set forth so that everyone is on the same page, so there is order, and cooperation that benefits everyone as a whole.
No other 0.0 Alliance since Foundation, CVA, and Sylph have even tried to open thier boarders to allow someone to come into thier space and use it and be appart of a community. All Other Alliances including UK just kill you for being there.
And before you go and spout off about how you dont pay rent blah blah blah -A- invited you to live in thier space with open arms blah blah blah, I will go ahead and let you know I am Russian, I live in the US now but I am from Russia, and I read the Eve Russian Galnet communiques from time to time, and -A- basically stated UK were nothing more than common renters with horrible PVP ability who were useless if it were not for thier rent paying.
So go ahead and lets compare "Holders" to UK.
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Kazzzi
Amarr Minmatar Ship Construction Services Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.08.22 22:15:00 -
[38]
Originally by: Dr Edart
Your attempts to spew divide and desention between CVA / Holders and Sylph is nothing more than smoke amd mirrors so you may beat your chest and sing your praise of hollow victories that you were an insignifacant part of.
TBH we really don't need to say or do anything. Providence already knows the true worthlessness of Sylph. Now go hug your precious little iskies and pray that your allies will make everything all better soon.
By the way, I thought all the Sylph/Modern Marvel propaganda bots like Dr Edart were recycled into garbage compacting drones for clearing out abandoned Sylph stations.
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Dinaahk Elam
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Posted - 2009.08.23 06:34:00 -
[39]
Yes I am a garbage bot, and I am clearing out all of the abandoned Sylph stations of drones right now as you spew forth your garbage to the multitudes of Galnet readers. To bad you dont have any stations of your own I could clear out for you as well.
I am so glad and honored to rate being a Sylph alt, lapdog, lackey, garbage drone bot, cheerleader, fanboi, whatever.
I dont even know if I have ever been in Sylph space let alone be an actual member. But I am glad you know my name. I guess a regular citizen of Eve who reads and keeps up on current and past events must be alts and not have a brain to think on thier own and see what is BS and what is not.
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Conlin
Gallente Sarz'na Khumatari Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.08.23 11:01:00 -
[40]
Originally by: Dinaahk Elam Yes I am a garbage bot, and I am clearing out all of the abandoned Sylph stations of drones right now as you spew forth your garbage to the multitudes of Galnet readers. To bad you dont have any stations of your own I could clear out for you as well.
I am so glad and honored to rate being a Sylph alt, lapdog, lackey, garbage drone bot, cheerleader, fanboi, whatever.
I dont even know if I have ever been in Sylph space let alone be an actual member. But I am glad you know my name. I guess a regular citizen of Eve who reads and keeps up on current and past events must be alts and not have a brain to think on thier own and see what is BS and what is not.
Never heard of you or Edart , but if youv'e never been there or never been a member of Sylph what exactly are you trying to say ?. Thats try it without the drivel please
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Dr Edart
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Posted - 2009.08.23 14:05:00 -
[41]
Originally by: Conlin
Originally by: Dinaahk Elam Yes I am a garbage bot, and I am clearing out all of the abandoned Sylph stations of drones right now as you spew forth your garbage to the multitudes of Galnet readers. To bad you dont have any stations of your own I could clear out for you as well.
I am so glad and honored to rate being a Sylph alt, lapdog, lackey, garbage drone bot, cheerleader, fanboi, whatever.
I dont even know if I have ever been in Sylph space let alone be an actual member. But I am glad you know my name. I guess a regular citizen of Eve who reads and keeps up on current and past events must be alts and not have a brain to think on thier own and see what is BS and what is not.
Never heard of you or Edart , but if youv'e never been there or never been a member of Sylph what exactly are you trying to say ?. Thats try it without the drivel please
Pssst, Conlin, I am not Edart.
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Butter Dog
Gallente The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.08.23 17:21:00 -
[42]
Edited by: Butter Dog on 23/08/2009 17:24:35
Originally by: Dr Edart
Therefore you are pets with masters, who demand that ISK every month.
Not a single ISK has been passed between U'K and -A-, although we do donate LO for their jump bridge network that we use.
Therefore your whole comparison of U'K as 'renters' is completely worthless. So let's recap
* We're not told how to manage our standings * We had better participation than every single 'holder' * We're not renters
U'K willingly and joyfully threw 100 pilots into 2J, whereas the average 'holder' (more numerous than us) managed barely 50. Why is that? I'll tell you - we participate and fight with our allies because they are that: allies, not masters in the way CVA are to their 'holders'.
It seems to me you need to look up the meaning of the word 'ally' and then you might understand the basis of the relationship we have with -A- and ATLAS. Hint: it's nothing to do with masters, pets, rent, or engagement rules
Look forward to your considered response.
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AKA 'Bitter Dog'
Failing at everything he does in EvE since '05 |
Micia
Minmatar Minmatar Ship Construction Services Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.08.23 18:10:00 -
[43]
Originally by: Dr Edart I am not Edart.
Eh? |
Poreuomai
Minmatar Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.08.25 13:43:00 -
[44]
Posting messages to IGS with assumed identities can get confusing.
Let My People Go |
Butter Dog
Gallente The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.08.25 14:28:00 -
[45]
Yes, and he seems to have gone rather quiet after asserting we paid rent to AAA and it was the basis of our relationship :p
In other news: Sylph's largest and most capable corp left as of yesterday, taking a number of sov holding towers with them. They left specifically because of U'K actions and we have the transcripts from their CEO to prove it. Spin that ----------
AKA 'Bitter Dog'
Failing at everything he does in EvE since '05 |
DeadDuck
Amarr Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2009.08.26 07:00:00 -
[46]
Originally by: Butter Dog
In other news: Sylph's largest and most capable corp left as of yesterday, taking a number of sov holding towers with them. They left specifically because of U'K actions and we have the transcripts from their CEO to prove it. Spin that
The UK war machine /0\!... [url=http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/view/player-DeadDuck-kills.html][/url] [b]_______ |
Grr
Amarr Epitoth Guard Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2009.08.26 12:13:00 -
[47]
Originally by: Butter Dog Yes, and he seems to have gone rather quiet after asserting we paid rent to AAA and it was the basis of our relationship :p
In other news: Sylph's largest and most capable corp left as of yesterday, taking a number of sov holding towers with them. They left specifically because of U'K actions and we have the transcripts from their CEO to prove it. Spin that
Your own portal can't even handle your boasts and chest beating, why post it here too and risk damaging galnet?
Originally by: Ushra'Khan Forum Bandwidth Limit Exceeded The server is temporarily unable to service your request due to the site owner reaching his/her bandwidth limit. Please try again later.
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Xennith
Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.08.26 12:45:00 -
[48]
Not sure whats going on there, its possible that someone objects to our "chestbeating" so much that they have decided to attack our net presence. Its more likely however that whoever was supposed to pay the bill went on a bit of a tribal bender and is currently sitting in a field eating mushrooms. Or galnet is just simply unable to keep up with the Ushra'Khan.
Im sure that the problem is being attended to by trained Matari Engineers and pending ducktape deliveries will be returned to normal. |
Poreuomai
Minmatar Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.08.26 13:08:00 -
[49]
Originally by: DeadDuck The UK war machine /0\!...
Originally by: Grr Your own portal can't even handle your boasts and chest beating, why post it here too and risk damaging galnet?
Well that just settles it - we are clearly unworthy of CVA's attention!
So if we did launch an all out attack against Sylph ... you would just ignore us?
I think not.
Let My People Go |
shanda captison
The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.08.26 14:48:00 -
[50]
Edited by: shanda captison on 26/08/2009 14:48:45
Originally by: Grr
Originally by: Ushra'Khan Forum Bandwidth Limit Exceeded The server is temporarily unable to service your request due to the site owner reaching his/her bandwidth limit. Please try again later.
And you think Mr Butter Dog transmits too much on GalNet...! Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed dimensions of 400x120 pixels -Sahwoolo Etoophie |
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Academy CEO
Minmatar The Littlest Hobos Assets and Banking
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Posted - 2009.08.26 16:37:00 -
[51]
Originally by: DeadDuck
Originally by: Butter Dog
In other news: Sylph's largest and most capable corp left as of yesterday, taking a number of sov holding towers with them. They left specifically because of U'K actions and we have the transcripts from their CEO to prove it. Spin that
The UK war machine /0\!...
Maybe you haven't noticed, but in every sizable engagement UK have had with CVA for the past 6 months, you've been on the losing side
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Grr
Amarr Epitoth Guard Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2009.08.26 16:45:00 -
[52]
Originally by: Academy CEO
Maybe you haven't noticed, but in every sizable engagement UK have had with CVA for the past 6 months, you've been on the losing side
We havn't had any sizable engagement for six months with U'K. Unless I blinked and missed it?
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Xennith
Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.08.26 17:17:00 -
[53]
Edited by: Xennith on 26/08/2009 17:19:24 Well, there was the recent fight for 2J. However if you want only sizeable fights where the only combatants are CVA and UK... I dont think that we've had one of those for a long time, we tend to find your "holders" mixed in the debris.
Is there any chance of an official Sylph response? I'd be interested to see one of their diplomats (if there are any left). Or should we count the sockpuppet of Dr Edart and alterego as the closest we are going to come to being graced with the presence of the ever elusive Sylphy? |
Butter Dog
Gallente The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.08.26 17:26:00 -
[54]
Originally by: Grr
Originally by: Academy CEO
Maybe you haven't noticed, but in every sizable engagement UK have had with CVA for the past 6 months, you've been on the losing side
We havn't had any sizable engagement for six months with U'K. Unless I blinked and missed it?
Perhaps we could then clarify it by saying 'Any medium sized or greater engagement'. Recent fight in KW- comes to mind as one such example.
Anyway, seems our internal comms networks are up again. I got greeted by this.
Of course, Sylph can hold their own and all UK do is cloak, etc
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AKA 'Bitter Dog'
Failing at everything he does in EvE since '05 |
Dr Edart
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Posted - 2009.08.27 20:28:00 -
[55]
Originally by: Micia
Originally by: Dr Edart I am not Edart.
Eh?
Confused Conlin referred to Dinaahk being me, so I figured to further confuse him, I would claim to not be me as well.
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Dr Edart
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Posted - 2009.08.27 20:34:00 -
[56]
Originally by: Butter Dog Edited by: Butter Dog on 23/08/2009 17:24:35
Originally by: Dr Edart
Therefore you are pets with masters, who demand that ISK every month.
Not a single ISK has been passed between U'K and -A-, although we do donate LO for their jump bridge network that we use.
Therefore your whole comparison of U'K as 'renters' is completely worthless. So let's recap
* We're not told how to manage our standings * We had better participation than every single 'holder' * We're not renters
U'K willingly and joyfully threw 100 pilots into 2J, whereas the average 'holder' (more numerous than us) managed barely 50. Why is that? I'll tell you - we participate and fight with our allies because they are that: allies, not masters in the way CVA are to their 'holders'.
It seems to me you need to look up the meaning of the word 'ally' and then you might understand the basis of the relationship we have with -A- and ATLAS. Hint: it's nothing to do with masters, pets, rent, or engagement rules
Look forward to your considered response.
Again you throw out smoke and mirrors to deflect what is fact, everyone whith half a brain knows UK are paying rent to -A-, sorry but when I read -A- members saying your paying rent, your paying rent, when I read of them talking about how horrible you are, I tend to agree, when I read thier own words describing you I tend to belive them.
And it does not matter how you repackage it, what kind of pretty words you use to describe it, the way you preach it to the proles who would listen to it as gospel, people know BS when the see it, smell it, and hear about it. And that pretty much sums up everytime you speak, show up, and spew forth.
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Butter Dog
Gallente The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.08.27 20:54:00 -
[57]
Originally by: Dr Edart
Again you throw out smoke and mirrors to deflect what is fact, everyone whith half a brain knows UK are paying rent to -A-, sorry but when I read -A- members saying your paying rent, your paying rent, when I read of them talking about how horrible you are, I tend to agree, when I read thier own words describing you I tend to belive them.
Where is the smoke and mirrors, exactly?
I've made a clear and definite statement: we don't pay any rent to -A- and never have done. We have the same relationship with ATLAS that we do with -A-, do we pay rent to them too? How about Stain Empire? What about Coven? Systematic-Chaos are blue also, what about them? With the amount of rent we pay all these entities, I'm suprised we're not bankrupt.
I've clearly stated that our relationship with them is based not on payment of rent, but shared interests and a love of combat against the Providence slavers.
You claim to have 'insider knowledge' but actually your statements are so comedically uninformed, you prove beyond any doubt you know nothing of any substance. Keep trying
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AKA 'Bitter Dog'
Failing at everything he does in EvE since '05 |
shanda captison
The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.08.27 20:56:00 -
[58]
Originally by: Grr
Originally by: Academy CEO
Maybe you haven't noticed, but in every sizable engagement UK have had with CVA for the past 6 months, you've been on the losing side
We havn't had any sizable engagement for six months with U'K. Unless I blinked and missed it?
All you had to do was jump. Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed dimensions of 400x120 pixels -Sahwoolo Etoophie |
Merdaneth
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2009.08.27 21:59:00 -
[59]
Originally by: Butter Dog
Therefore your whole comparison of U'K as 'renters' is completely worthless. So let's recap
* We're not told how to manage our standings * We had better participation than every single 'holder' * We're not renters
Ah, mr. Dog (or should I just call you dog?), you continue to dazzle me with your astounding argumentative power:
You are not a renter because..... you're not a renter!
Brilliant! ____
The Illusion of Freedom | The Truth about Slavery |
Xennith
Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.08.27 23:49:00 -
[60]
I think that I'd rather take the word of ButterDog than a man who seems to be the entire Sylph Alliance diplomatic wing, but who cannot remember his own name.
Edart seems very vocal on his hatred for UK, which is odd as our kill logs show no record of him at all. The man is an obvious dupe, perhaps his big claims hide big secrets? Perhaps instead of having all of these "sources" he in fact has a bit of a grudge and a need to talk a lot of smack? |
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Karn Mithralia
Minmatar Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.08.28 01:00:00 -
[61]
Perhaps this will get through to some of my old foes, and anyone else who knows my reputation.
You have my word that we do not pay rent to anyone.
So there ya go, my word, over that of Edart of no affiliation. Either I'm a liar, or he wouldn't know his arse from his alternative elbow.
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Grr
Amarr Epitoth Guard Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2009.08.28 01:18:00 -
[62]
Originally by: Karn Mithralia Perhaps this will get through to some of my old foes, and anyone else who knows my reputation.
You have my word that we do not pay rent to anyone.
Your alliance are pirates, terrorists, thieves and I do wish to see you all rounded up an exterminated for the safety of the Empire however...
I believe you if that means anything. Pirates you might be but your word is honourable and you have always been so in our dealings at least. Thousands of others won't believe you of course but I'm sure you won't loose any sleep over that.
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Dr Edart
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Posted - 2009.08.28 04:57:00 -
[63]
Originally by: Xennith I think that I'd rather take the word of ButterDog than a man who seems to be the entire Sylph Alliance diplomatic wing, but who cannot remember his own name.
Edart seems very vocal on his hatred for UK, which is odd as our kill logs show no record of him at all. The man is an obvious dupe, perhaps his big claims hide big secrets? Perhaps instead of having all of these "sources" he in fact has a bit of a grudge and a need to talk a lot of smack?
I dont hate Umust Kloak, I just dont like your ways, your pretty much nothing more that Pirates. If you want to come for your people, come for them, dont Pirate and say your coming for them by Pirating.
if your going to be a renter, be one, be the best renter you can be, just stop lieing about it.
You guys always with the same broken datacore, but yet Providence and CVA are growing and developing a piece of 0.0 like for everyone to enjoy, and I think you guys hate that success if anyone is hating anything.
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Aquinzus
Amarr Modern Marvels
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Posted - 2009.08.28 05:01:00 -
[64]
I too, am not me.
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Sarah Amadou
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Posted - 2009.08.28 05:04:00 -
[65]
I can confirm that I am not me either.
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pygonis
Gallente CORE Elements Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.08.28 05:32:00 -
[66]
Originally by: Dr Edart By the looks of that Killboard link it seems UK are claiming a victory over what it is clearly a -A-, Atlas, PL, Razor, -10, and others victory.
UK seems to have lost almost every ship they fielded, it is clear -A- and company did all the work and UK are riding the coat tails calling it thier success.
Maybe you shouldnt brag so much about something that your were only an insignificant part of, and then claiming it yours, makes you look bad.
We did not lose "almost every ship we fielded" your information is wrong.
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Xennith
Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.08.28 07:25:00 -
[67]
Originally by: Grr
Your alliance are pirates, terrorists, thieves
Well, we'd be the only NRDS pirates in existance, who do not ransom people. You say terrorist where others would say "freedom fighter", and those Sylph towers were just cluttering up space, we were providing a service by removing them and putting them to good use. |
Dinaahk Elam
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Posted - 2009.08.28 08:22:00 -
[68]
Got an evemail from the Boss when I logged in to remind everyone that I am not me as well.
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Butter Dog
Gallente The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.08.28 08:50:00 -
[69]
Edart, if you transmitted on Galnet with an alliance ticker, perhaps people might think what you said contained a grain of truth. As it stands, we can only thank you for the comedy.
It is also extremely gratifiying to see that CVA and Co have finally admitted that Sylph are unable to stand alone against U'K, and have started propping them up using both time and ship losses to do so. But you can only prop up a corpse for so long before it decomposes and collapses on you anyway. Enjoy. ----------
AKA 'Bitter Dog'
Failing at everything he does in EvE since '05 |
Xennith
Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.08.28 09:04:00 -
[70]
Now butterdog, you're being unfair. There were two Sylph alliance in that fight, thats an amazing turnout. |
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Neu Bastian
Minmatar Valklear Guard Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.08.28 14:17:00 -
[71]
We'd have no quarrel with CVA's business model if it didn't include slavery.
But it does, and anyone that supports its is guilty of complicity.
May I remind you that Ushra'Khan is NRDS everywhere in the known universe, but providence and catch?
As for calling us cowards, the providence power block consist of over eight thousand capsuleers. We're eight hundred. Its easier to feel mighty with those raw odds.
Quote:
Neu Bastian Valklear Guard - CEO
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Grr
Amarr Epitoth Guard Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2009.08.28 16:29:00 -
[72]
Originally by: Neu Bastian We'd have no quarrel with CVA's business model if it didn't include slavery.
But it does, and anyone that supports its is guilty of complicity.
May I remind you that Ushra'Khan is NRDS everywhere in the known universe, but providence and catch?
As for calling us cowards, the providence power block consist of over eight thousand capsuleers. We're eight hundred. Its easier to feel mighty with those raw odds.
Utter rubbish.
When you consider how many non holder alliances support our cause its more like twelve thousand.
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ShadowandLight
Amarr Hammer Of Light Praetorian Guards.
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Posted - 2009.08.28 17:26:00 -
[73]
Originally by: Grr
Originally by: Neu Bastian We'd have no quarrel with CVA's business model if it didn't include slavery.
But it does, and anyone that supports its is guilty of complicity.
May I remind you that Ushra'Khan is NRDS everywhere in the known universe, but providence and catch?
As for calling us cowards, the providence power block consist of over eight thousand capsuleers. We're eight hundred. Its easier to feel mighty with those raw odds.
Utter rubbish.
When you consider how many non holder alliances support our cause its more like twelve thousand.
+1... SPQR Alliance - Commander |
Butter Dog
Gallente The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.08.28 17:42:00 -
[74]
I wonder how many 'holders' are looking at Sylph space right now, and thinking 'hmmm, we could really do with that extra space'. Providence is crowded, resources thin on the ground. And right now a dysfunctional, near-dead alliance is tying it up.
Perhaps CVA and the 'holders' would be doing themselves a favour by allowing Sylph alliance to collapse, as seems inevitable. We certainly would not want the space.
Cut the cord, and let nature take its wonderful course
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AKA 'Bitter Dog'
Failing at everything he does in EvE since '05 |
Neu Bastian
Minmatar Valklear Guard Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.08.28 21:00:00 -
[75]
Originally by: Grr
Originally by: Neu Bastian 8000 to 800
Utter rubbish.
When you consider how many non holder alliances support our cause its more like twelve thousand.
damn Grr... I think I like you.
Quote:
Neu Bastian Valklear Guard - CEO
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Insane Nutmunch
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Posted - 2009.09.06 18:37:00 -
[76]
Well its been a week or so since this thread was updated.
What fares of the mighty Sylph, have they run aground on the rocks of fail cascade, or are they plotting a course to recovery ?
I hear on the intergalatic grapevine that a new hand is on the tiller. Will he steer them to calmer waters or go down with the ship ?
Whatever the future holds, I think its pretty clear now that U'K 's defiant chest beating, and glorious grab for the credit of bringing Sylph to it's knees, now seems a tad on the premature side.
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Xennith
Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.09.06 19:15:00 -
[77]
*Another* new leader and reorganisation?
I think that Sylph have officially outsourced their combat wing to CVA now, which obviously makes it more efficient and stronger than ever, as the last fleet seen rushing to defend Sylph assets contained exactly zero sylph pilots. (A good showing by the provibloc however).
Thereagain, you can't expect Sylph to come rushing back from empire everytime we take out their hardware, there are after all, fewer Sylph in their space than Dark Taboo. |
Nachshon
Caldari Minmatar Ship Construction Services Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.09.09 18:17:00 -
[78]
Originally by: Grr When you consider how many non holder alliances support our cause its more like twelve thousand.
Well, to be fair, you do provide a fairly stable environment in Providence, enough to attract capsuleers who don't give a damn about slaves - or, indeed, non-capsuleers of any kind.
Were you not slaveholders, you would not be our enemy. ____________________________________ Caldari by birth, Minmatar by citizenship.
The True Meaning of Freedom
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Noonesoski
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Posted - 2009.09.11 19:05:00 -
[79]
I heard that you guys suffered almost 20 billion isk in losses somewhere else while you were going after that tower. Care to comment?
Originally by: Butter Dog Edited by: Butter Dog on 20/08/2009 19:32:15
Originally by: Grr I know what I believe and any amount of Ushra'Khan chest beating about how Sylph won't fight is just pure hypocritical comedy gold.
Yeah, I'm sure they just 'forgot' to defend their large Empire based towers with billions of ISK in labs, which the corp concerned begged the alliance for help in defending. Calls which fell on deaf ears.
Very credible
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Xennith
Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.09.11 19:49:00 -
[80]
Are you refering to the fight in 2j where after we finished with the Sylph tower (after sylph failed to offer anything but token resistance) we went and helped our allies destroy a further 2 slaver starbases while inflicting punishing losses on the combined enemy fleet (which contained no sylph (seeing a theme?)) forcing them to withdraw and letting us loot the field?
Public records show that whilst we took about 14 billion isk in damage in that fight, we inflicted about 3 times that and fufilled our objective.
Whilst this thread is about Sylph alliance and their inability to field a fleet or look after their own assets, it is nice of you to bring up a recent UK victory. I suppose its a way of highlighting the fact that Sylph's allies consider them such a waste of a standings slot that they were apparently not invited to an important fight where everyone else was. |
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Heitaro Kimura
Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.09.11 20:04:00 -
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Edited by: Heitaro Kimura on 11/09/2009 20:07:10 Edited by: Heitaro Kimura on 11/09/2009 20:06:27 I was in both fights for that tower in Paye.
During both shooting it into reinforced and shooting it to pieces, afaik we didn't lose ANY ship. (which our KB backs up. The only losses in Paye leading up to the tower kill, were a hurricane and manticore, as you can see here.)The only pvp we got from it was a bump-war with some neutral haulers trying to make off with the labs, which was hilarious in and of itself.
Luckily Sylph didn't defend their tower in Paye, else we might've been 5 minutes late to the fight in 2J.
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Xennith
Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.09.11 20:06:00 -
[82]
But once we'd done that tower, we went off and had a fight and (gasp) some ships died. |
O Thief
The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.09.12 00:09:00 -
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Edited by: O Thief on 12/09/2009 00:09:59
Originally by: Noonesoski I heard that you guys suffered almost 20 billion isk in losses somewhere else while you were going after that tower. Care to comment?
We had a fight in 2J, lost about 40 battleships (you can insure them) and racked up over 350 kills.
We were very happy.
PS - insured battleships don't cost 500m each to lose. Also, Sylph had nothing to do with the fight at 2J, try grasping at some other straw please.
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progodlegend
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Posted - 2009.09.12 09:00:00 -
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Edited by: progodlegend on 12/09/2009 09:03:07 Edited by: progodlegend on 12/09/2009 09:02:03 Edited by: progodlegend on 12/09/2009 09:00:42
Originally by: Butter Dog Edited by: Butter Dog on 23/08/2009 17:24:35
Originally by: Dr Edart
Therefore you are pets with masters, who demand that ISK every month.
Not a single ISK has been passed between U'K and -A-, although we do donate LO for their jump bridge network that we use.
Therefore your whole comparison of U'K as 'renters' is completely worthless. So let's recap
* We're not told how to manage our standings * We had better participation than every single 'holder' * We're not renters
U'K willingly and joyfully threw 100 pilots into 2J, whereas the average 'holder' (more numerous than us) managed barely 50. Why is that? I'll tell you - we participate and fight with our allies because they are that: allies, not masters in the way CVA are to their 'holders'.
It seems to me you need to look up the meaning of the word 'ally' and then you might understand the basis of the relationship we have with -A- and ATLAS. Hint: it's nothing to do with masters, pets, rent, or engagement rules
Look forward to your considered response.
Ok lets review, for starters, for willingly and joyfully throwing pilots 100 pilts into the fight? Yea whatever. You said it on your own news reports on your wesbite that y'all were running a CTA for the Paye tower, then an -a- FC contacted yall for help.
Instead of willingly and joyfully heading over to 2J, you decided to finish off the tower with the plans of going there after, I'm only assuming. But then you stuck around with your entire fleet picking up labs and playing grab ass with neutrals, when everyone knows had you been in a real hurry, you would have just left some support there and brought the BS back immediatley. Instead, You stayed there with your whole fleet untill, as you call it, the -a- FC was urgently calling yall over to the fight. But, if I had to guess I would say it was probably less urgently asking for yall to come back and more like urgently telling yall to hurry up what is taking so long get the hell over here y'all suck.
You had better participation than every single 'holder'? That the holders only brought 50 members per except CVA? Really? Lets check the killboards.
(88) Ushra'Khan (93) Libertas Fidelitas (81) Sev3rance (109) Curatores Veritatis Alliance (72) Cold Steel Alliance
Now I'll give you the benefit of the doubt with cold steel because their system was under attack, but then I'll take it right back. Because they have less than 600 people, meaning they got near 20% partipation, more than you will ever have.
Not to mention, while you guys were on a CTA, and you can't say that you weren't, Uk just doesn't get that many pilots unless they call CTA's, the only Holders that were CTA'ed was STEEL, and thats because its there system.
And finally, I'm still confused as to why you keep bringing up the 2J fight, because Uk's involvement in it was nothing more than comedy. When yall first came into 2j when it was just you guys and -a-, yall got slaughtered, and it was funny to watch, because yall didn't have effective sniper fits and it was obvious. The only reason we started to lose that fight is because -a- had brought good reinforcements, but mainly because, just like the last 2j fight before it, Atlas brought a 100 man Hac gang. Uk didn't do anything in that fight except die, Atlas was the one that burned all our tackle and made the difference.
So as Uk is busy crediting themselves for decreasing the amount of carebearing going on in Sylph space by leaving cloaked pilots in system, everyone else is busy realizing that its just not that big of a deal.
P.s - nice sov in catch
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Xennith
Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.09.12 09:10:00 -
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Quote: When yall first came into 2j when it was just you guys and -a-, yall got slaughtered, and it was funny to watch, because yall didn't have effective sniper fits and it was obvious.
Well, when we first jumped into your fleet, we did take a few loses (including my rather s****ly fit Rokh which I had thankfully just insured) but then swung the fight and held the field. Explain to me if you will exactly how due to us getting slaughtered, you ran away and hid at a deathstar. Ill be interested to hear the strategic reason for withdrawing from a fight that you obviously think that you were winning. Is it because "yall" got bubbled and torn to ribbons? Thats where I'd place my money too. |
Butter Dog
Gallente The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.09.12 09:51:00 -
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Edited by: Butter Dog on 12/09/2009 09:53:38
Originally by: progodlegend rambling
I have no idea who you are, but you're clueless and wrong.
"But you're going to have to contend with the facts that we turned up, blew up more ships than we lost, held the field, and destroyed the towers.
Smells like victory to me."
Sums it up nicely.
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Noonesoski
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Posted - 2009.09.12 13:13:00 -
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I didn't say Sylph could claim victory, but I just thought it was funny where your priorities lie...
Originally by: Xennith ...but he thought that by claiming we lost 20 billion isk in shipping soon after dropping a sylph faction tower he could somehow claim a victory. Now if you want to continue to argue about who won that fight, a new thread might be better for it. But you're going to have to contend with the facts that we turned up, blew up more ships than we lost, held the field, and destroyed the towers.
Smells like victory to me.
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Xennith
Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.09.12 13:37:00 -
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Originally by: Noonesoski I didn't say Sylph could claim victory, but I just thought it was funny where your priorities lie...
Oh really? Tell me, what are our priorities, why are they "incorrect", what should they be and why is this funny?
I suppose more importantly, why did you bring it up if you didnt think that you could use it to claim a victory? |
Noonesoski
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Posted - 2009.09.12 15:01:00 -
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Hey, if you are prepared to loose 14 bil because you guys are taking out a hisec tower, who am I to judge? If you are looking to me to tell you what your priorities should be, then wow.
Originally by: Xennith
Originally by: Noonesoski I didn't say Sylph could claim victory, but I just thought it was funny where your priorities lie...
Oh really? Tell me, what are our priorities, why are they "incorrect", what should they be and why is this funny?
I suppose more importantly, why did you bring it up if you didnt think that you could use it to claim a victory?
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Xennith
Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.09.12 15:19:00 -
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Edited by: Xennith on 12/09/2009 15:21:53 You seem to be a little hard of understanding.
We took out the highsec tower with little resistance and no losses. We then moved on and did something else and lost some ships to secure a victory. Those losses were more than acceptable for the victory we won and the gains made. We call this process "combat" and whilst it may be a little hard for a Sylphie to understand the concept of actually fighting, most other people seem to realise that it is neccessary sometimes.
You can focus on our losses while ignoring our gains in that fight if you wish, but dont try to pretend that you had anything to do with them, or that they were related to the Sylph tower we took down. I think that saying "yeah, we won that because later on you lost some ships to CVA et al" is frankly laughable.
As far as I can tell, you seem to believe that our priority should be minimising ship losses by refusing to undock, and consider the idea of being willing to fight quite funny. You seem quite odd. |
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Butter Dog
Gallente The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.09.12 16:17:00 -
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Originally by: Noonesoski Hey, if you are prepared to loose 14 bil because you guys are taking out a hisec tower, who am I to judge?
We lost 0 (zero) ships taking out said highsec tower. How does this equate to 14bn isk?
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Forty Three
Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.09.12 21:31:00 -
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Originally by: progodlegend Edited by: progodlegend on 12/09/2009 09:03:07 Edited by: progodlegend on 12/09/2009 09:02:03 Edited by: progodlegend on 12/09/2009 09:00:42
Originally by: Butter Dog Edited by: Butter Dog on 23/08/2009 17:24:35
Originally by: Dr Edart
Therefore you are pets with masters, who demand that ISK every month.
Not a single ISK has been passed between U'K and -A-, although we do donate LO for their jump bridge network that we use.
Therefore your whole comparison of U'K as 'renters' is completely worthless. So let's recap
* We're not told how to manage our standings * We had better participation than every single 'holder' * We're not renters
U'K willingly and joyfully threw 100 pilots into 2J, whereas the average 'holder' (more numerous than us) managed barely 50. Why is that? I'll tell you - we participate and fight with our allies because they are that: allies, not masters in the way CVA are to their 'holders'.
It seems to me you need to look up the meaning of the word 'ally' and then you might understand the basis of the relationship we have with -A- and ATLAS. Hint: it's nothing to do with masters, pets, rent, or engagement rules
Look forward to your considered response.
Ok lets review, for starters, for willingly and joyfully throwing pilots 100 pilts into the fight? Yea whatever. You said it on your own news reports on your wesbite that y'all were running a CTA for the Paye tower, then an -a- FC contacted yall for help.
Instead of willingly and joyfully heading over to 2J, you decided to finish off the tower with the plans of going there after, I'm only assuming. But then you stuck around with your entire fleet picking up labs and playing grab ass with neutrals, when everyone knows had you been in a real hurry, you would have just left some support there and brought the BS back immediatley. Instead, You stayed there with your whole fleet untill, as you call it, the -a- FC was urgently calling yall over to the fight. But, if I had to guess I would say it was probably less urgently asking for yall to come back and more like urgently telling yall to hurry up what is taking so long get the hell over here y'all suck.
You had better participation than every single 'holder'? That the holders only brought 50 members per except CVA? Really? Lets check the killboards.
(88) Ushra'Khan (93) Libertas Fidelitas (81) Sev3rance (109) Curatores Veritatis Alliance (72) Cold Steel Alliance
Now I'll give you the benefit of the doubt with cold steel because their system was under attack, but then I'll take it right back. Because they have less than 600 people, meaning they got near 20% partipation, more than you will ever have.
Not to mention, while you guys were on a CTA, and you can't say that you weren't, Uk just doesn't get that many pilots unless they call CTA's, the only Holders that were CTA'ed was STEEL, and thats because its there system.
And finally, I'm still confused as to why you keep bringing up the 2J fight, because Uk's involvement in it was nothing more than comedy. When yall first came into 2j when it was just you guys and -a-, yall got slaughtered, and it was funny to watch, because yall didn't have effective sniper fits and it was obvious. The only reason we started to lose that fight is because -a- had brought good reinforcements, but mainly because, just like the last 2j fight before it, Atlas brought a 100 man Hac gang. Uk didn't do anything in that fight except die, Atlas was the one that burned all our tackle and made the difference.
So as Uk is busy crediting themselves for decreasing the amount of carebearing going on in Sylph space by leaving cloaked pilots in system, everyone else is busy realizing that its just not that big of a deal.
P.s - nice sov in catch
I stopped reading after you said 'yall' for the first time. also show what alliance you belong to, otherwise you seem even more stupid. -----------------------------------------------
UNITY!!!
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Insane Nutmunch
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Posted - 2009.09.13 10:51:00 -
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I have to agree with the U'K guys here - The 2J battle contained no Sylph pilots and therefore is irrelevant for this topic. But to be fair, so is the destruction of an empire research POS, that the owner should have known better and put it into an independent corporation as to avoid situations like this.
BTW. Congrats U'K on securing a place in the Alliance tournament finals. I'm awaiting CCP publishing the video with great excitement.
So back to the subject.
Sylph is still holding Sovereignty in Catch, How I'm not sure as their systems are almost empty. How long can they hold on ?
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Nur AlHuda
Amarr Callide Vulpis
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Posted - 2009.09.13 11:51:00 -
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Well minmatars have bad habit to claim victory after everythink, passing trough gate, stay alive cloaked in hostile system, killing some unimportant pos that probably nobody cared about.
And this is going for years now. So if Sylph would collaps it would be from probably allliance managment decisions and not from losses. As they have them already and nothink major happened. I mean some corps left people got killed but thats happening in every alliance but in terms of some major breaktrough its still the old story from ushra.
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Xennith
Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.09.13 12:10:00 -
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Edited by: Xennith on 13/09/2009 12:13:23 "We didnt want that starbase anyway"
Sadly Renntech DID want to keep it (and the other three they pulled down in system), hence why they left Sylph Alliance a week after we destroyed it, probably because there was no attempt to save it or even to fight our fleet. Its nice to see all the proxy spokespeople here, Sylph still gagging people? |
Butter Dog
Gallente The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.09.13 14:51:00 -
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They didn't want that tower we destroyed today either. Proof? Their defence gang of one bomber.
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