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Yoshitaka Moromuo Distant Light Galactic Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive	Posted - 2009.08.23 16:57:00 - [31] Originally by: Natalcya Katla So much useless arguing over a simple lump of dirt. Won't somebody get rid of that planet already? You know, a former colleague of yours would likely have given a better response than that - even after he had left to join Re-Awakened Technologies. The point is, Ishukone is probably the best possible end result for the Intaki in this case. Their record when it comes to support of their employees, their families, and nearly everyone else under their watch is nigh impeccable. My only concern is that Mens Reppola continues the trend established by his predecessor.
Seriphyn Inhonores Gallente Electus Matari	Posted - 2009.08.23 17:01:00 - [32] Originally by: Aria Jenneth Um. Mr. Inhonores, Ms. Katla is far from a typical capsuleer. And I can assure you, she's quite aware of her ethnic background. 90% of capsuleers, the ones who don't oblige themselves with loyalties or discussing on the IGS, are exactly like this Katla here. An outright disregard for any form of human life. And, Mme. Jenneth, I don't know why you're coming to the defence of a psychopath. Then again, Angels kill anything in sight, no?
Natalcya Katla Naqam Exalted.	Posted - 2009.08.23 18:03:00 - [33] Edited by: Natalcya Katla on 23/08/2009 18:06:17 Originally by: Seriphyn Inhonores Typical capsuleer response. You probably don't even realize there are crews on the ships that you fly? It's probably one big hologame to you as well. Millions of people live on Intaki. And hell, you're Intaki yourself, your ethnicity traces back there. I'm not Intaki, Inhonores. Not even by blood anymore. I've gone to great lengths in order to see to that. And why would it make any difference if I were? I've never sworn any kind of loyalty to my race, so I'll thank everybody not to expect any, either. The only reason why I'm still even spending a thought about that backward place with its putrid atmosphere and oppressive gravity is because nobody up here will shut up yammering about it or stop killing each other over it. I've visited the place - forcedly, in my childhood, when I was still being spoon-fed an obsolete culture by already-then obsolete people - and it's honestly not a place worth wasting strong emotions over. Getting rid of it would render moot a vicious source of conflict within the interstellar community. It would also, incidentally, save the primitives down on the planet years of continued misery living there. As an aside, you are dead wrong in your assessment of my awareness of my crew. I pay very close attention to everything each of them does, says or even thinks.
Natalcya Katla Naqam Exalted.	Posted - 2009.08.23 18:16:00 - [34] Originally by: Seriphyn Inhonores And, Mme. Jenneth, I don't know why you're coming to the defence of a psychopath. Then again, Angels kill anything in sight, no? Aria Jenneth is not defending me. What are you accusing her of defending me against, anyway? You?
Tomahawk Bliss Minmatar Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.08.23 19:09:00 - [35] Naqam is active
Yoshitaka Moromuo Distant Light Galactic Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive	Posted - 2009.08.23 19:17:00 - [36] Originally by: Tomahawk Bliss Naqam is active It would be better if Silver Night were still with them, though. The man brought intelligent debate to any topic he visited.
Seriphyn Inhonores Gallente Electus Matari	Posted - 2009.08.23 19:42:00 - [37] Never mind, best not feed the genocidal psychopath, who thinks killing billions on a planet would remove a conflict between...say, a few hundred capsuleers?
Natalcya Katla Naqam Exalted.	Posted - 2009.08.23 20:43:00 - [38] Space is not populated exclusively by capsuleers, Inhonores. You seem to have forgotten your own barb about ship crews already, not to speak of the numerous inhabitants of stations and smaller installations in the extraplanetary environment, all of whom would benefit from less conflict in the region. That's beside the point, though. Individual human lives are not the issue. Peace, order and structure is. If there's going to be any hope of humanity ever working together in unity and peace for the benefit of everyone, these tired old sources of perpetual conflict need to be removed, one way or the other. Don't get me wrong. There are alternatives to planetary demolition - preferable alternatives, even - but whenever these alternatives are discussed in public, they tend to provoke accusations of being "worse than death".
Aria Jenneth Caldari Ghost Festival	Posted - 2009.08.23 21:01:00 - [39] Originally by: Seriphyn Inhonores Never mind, best not feed the genocidal psychopath, who thinks killing billions on a planet would remove a conflict between...say, a few hundred capsuleers? Considering the blazing hatred Ms. Katla has displayed for that particular sphere, Mr. Inhonores, I doubt stopping the capsuleer conflict would be so much the point as a happy side effect in her mind. Originally by: Seriphyn Inhonores 90% of capsuleers, the ones who don't oblige themselves with loyalties or discussing on the IGS, are exactly like this Katla here. An outright disregard for any form of human life. And, Mme. Jenneth, I don't know why you're coming to the defence of a psychopath. Let me explain, just briefly, where Ms. Katla is coming from so that you won't make this mistake again, Mr. Inhonores. Ms. Katla is a self-described Astropolitan, one who considers all spacers to be fundamentally of one nation. She desires to see us all brought together under one rule, and she identifies fascism (literal, not figurative) as the most efficient method of ruling such a society. Like most literal fascists, she draws a clear line between "us," spacers, in this case, and "them," those people who live on planets. Ms. Katla regards planetary influence on spacer affairs as destructive, disruptive, corruptive, and inherently backward, and therefore despises all four Empires as entities that defend planetary interests at the expense of their spaceborne populations. She hates the Gallente Federation with special venom and Intaki in particular. She's expressed a desire to see it reduced to a cinder. Like me, she recognizes capsuleers as infomorphs, fundamentally nonhuman entities. Unlike me, she does not desire our survival in the long term: we are tools, in her eyes, for the true order, whatever its form, to use up and throw away. As far as I can gather, she has decided the Nation to be a more promising foundation for her vision of a united spacer nation than CONCORD, and therefore serves Naqam. Quote: Then again, Angels kill anything in sight, no? Um. No. Gods and spirits, I have trouble believing you are that ignorant. The Angel Cartel is a massive entity, Mr. Inhonores, that does trade throughout the cluster. The center of it is hardly murder; we're not just some band of assassins out to see how many people we can kill before we are, ourselves, killed. The Archangel pirates seen most often in space are just one branch out of many, and even they don't kill everything they see. We are fundamentally businesspeople. Businesses need people to sell to, and killing everybody we met would make commerce tricky. Meetings, especially. What with one thing and another, people are generally more valuable alive. Capsuleers, of course, are another matter entirely, especially for the Archangels.
Seriphyn Inhonores Gallente Electus Matari	Posted - 2009.08.23 21:55:00 - [40] Say what you will, the line is drawn between me and you by the fact you will shoot at whatever will give you a profit, and I shoot at those who would prey on the defenceless. And those who would seek the destruction of my people, of course. Don't try and give yourself any moral highground.
Natalcya Katla Naqam Exalted.	Posted - 2009.08.23 22:11:00 - [41] Your presentation of me would have been quite accurate only a year ago, Aria, although both I as a person and my political opinions have come some way since then. That's only natural, of course - it's been a while since last time we had a talk. The differences aren't great enough to warrant derailing this squabble further by going into details, though. Maybe we could have a chat sometime to catch up on each other. I'm probably as out of date regarding your development as you are regarding mine. Not in person though, of course. I haven't forgotten your intention to kill me, and getting revived from a backed-up brainscan is a hassle I'd prefer to avoid.
Aria Jenneth Caldari Ghost Festival	Posted - 2009.08.23 22:34:00 - [42] Mr. Inhonores: Originally by: Seriphyn Inhonores Don't try and give yourself any moral highground. Why ever would I bother, Mr. Inhonores? This is about accuracy, not morals. Human morals are for humans, and for those infomorphs still emotionally attached to humanity. What infomorph morality is like is a work still in progress. There is no need for me to try to "out good-guy" a Federal partisan; your culture is obsessed with its own supposed rightness. That is an obsession I do not share, partly because I believe in no universal morality. We each have our roles. I play my part; you play yours. That is the end of it. Ms. Katla: I admit my information is out of date, and I wouldn't mind having a chat and familiarizing myself with your current outlook. Regarding personal danger: I'm a practical woman, Ms. Katla, and don't generally bother with half-measures. If backups exist that are out of my reach, your principal self is safe for as long as that remains the case. For the same reason, I'll be leaving your elimination to human organizations, since they're the only ones who have the ability to do the job and be sure about it. Then, too, infomorphs destroying one another, or arranging one another's deaths, is just not a good idea. We could easily wipe ourselves out that way. But, if you prefer to meet remotely, that might be a little easier on the bartenders.
John Revenent Caldari Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive	Posted - 2009.08.25 06:17:00 - [43] Edited by: John Revenent on 25/08/2009 06:17:57 The people of Intaki are in good hands under the watchful eye of the Ishukone corporation, I for one am glad that they decided to purchase the one system as in doing this they have put themselves in a stronger position to help the Intaki people on the surface. After speaking with the Intaki Liberation Front the Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive has coordinated with them because of there ability and the amount of effort they have placed in the area to help the Intaki people unlike several factions and entities that should have been doing it for them. We have sent supply convoy's to the Liberation Front and intend to continue doing so, along with several planned operations to help Ishukone hold the area against pirates and other undesirables.
Havohej Minmatar Du'uma Fiisi Integrated Astrometrics	Posted - 2009.08.25 06:57:00 - [44] Originally by: Aria Jenneth Mr. Inhonores: Originally by: Seriphyn Inhonores Don't try and give yourself any moral highground. Why ever would I bother, Mr. Inhonores? This is about accuracy, not morals. Human morals are for humans, and for those infomorphs still emotionally attached to humanity. What infomorph morality is like is a work still in progress. There is no need for me to try to "out good-guy" a Federal partisan; your culture is obsessed with its own supposed rightness. That is an obsession I do not share, partly because I believe in no universal morality. We each have our roles. I play my part; you play yours. That is the end of it. I'd like to speak with you about this post-human thing... it sounds interesting. I assume that's what you're talking about here, anyway. Maybe we might find time and opportunity after the Skyhook event later this week? "You can still steal their stuff." - CCP Explorer
Dante Vailatti Gallente	Posted - 2009.08.25 07:24:00 - [45] Seems to me the many Caldari opinions here seem to favor a split off of Intaki. It seems they'd favor a weaker Federation and having a new system for themselves. Well, that's just like a new bracelet. Something to add to the portfolio right? Ask yourselves why the Caldari are just ssooo interested...oh wait...isn't there some kind of conflict going on currently? I know I'm still the new jack, but it seems to me that this is an attempt to divide and conquor. Seems like a few too many people are speaking Caldari words through Gallente mouths. Watch your lips. D "In the promise of another world A dreadful knowledge comes How even space can modulate And earthly things be done."
Stitcher Caldari ForgeTech Industries	Posted - 2009.08.25 08:38:00 - [46] Pilot, the Federation's already so weak that our militia has consistently held 100% of the systems marked out for the warzone for several months now, pretty much unopposed. Any "dividing and conquering" has already been done, and the FDU did it to themselves, frankly. - Verin "Stitcher" Hakatain.
Mihali	Posted - 2009.08.25 12:06:00 - [47] Edited by: Mihali on 25/08/2009 12:05:55 Originally by: Stitcher Pilot, the Federation's already so weak that our militia has consistently held 100% of the systems marked out for the warzone for several months now, pretty much unopposed. Any "dividing and conquering" has already been done, and the FDU did it to themselves, frankly. That's a whole bunch of crock. Fact is that the Cadari State is committed to this war that most of resources have been going into it. Most Gallente see this "proxy" war as a big joke & that any SOB can be recruited for the right price. At first some Gallente pilots took it seriously, but it was such a joke that each side "held" systems for weeks. More "volunteers" came from the Caldari& thus you have the current situation. Trust me, if this was a full out war, you guys wouldn't stand a chance.
Hester Shaw	Posted - 2009.08.25 12:47:00 - [48] Fascinating. So the Gallente view the loss of their space (through their own incompetence, no less!) as a 'joke'? I'd suspect that it's the Megacorps who are laughing the hardest.
Sky Grunthor Minmatar The Dead Parrot Shoppe Inc. Balance of Judgment	Posted - 2009.08.25 12:54:00 - [49] Originally by: Mihali Edited by: Mihali on 25/08/2009 12:05:55 Originally by: Stitcher Pilot, the Federation's already so weak that our militia has consistently held 100% of the systems marked out for the warzone for several months now, pretty much unopposed. Any "dividing and conquering" has already been done, and the FDU did it to themselves, frankly. That's a whole bunch of crock. Fact is that the Cadari State is committed to this war that most of resources have been going into it. Most Gallente see this "proxy" war as a big joke & that any SOB can be recruited for the right price. At first some Gallente pilots took it seriously, but it was such a joke that each side "held" systems for weeks. More "volunteers" came from the Caldari& thus you have the current situation. Trust me, if this was a full out war, you guys wouldn't stand a chance. hmm, this one REALLY knows his history doesn't he... ------------------------------------------------- Search: Sky Grunthor
Dante Vailatti Gallente	Posted - 2009.08.25 12:58:00 - [50] Originally by: Hester Shaw Fascinating. So the Gallente view the loss of their space (through their own incompetence, no less!) as a 'joke'? I'd suspect that it's the Megacorps who are laughing the hardest. I'd lean to thinking that the Amarr have the most to gain in the long run, not the megacorps...well, not the non-Amarr megacorps, anyway. In the short-term, pirates, privateers, and other war profiteers make out. In the long run? Might our little row destabilize things so much that another government has to move in to "stop the violence and return law, etc." Mayhap we'd both look better to certain people with a slave collar. What if there was someone or something else out there in the dark? D. "In the promise of another world A dreadful knowledge comes How even space can modulate And earthly things be done."
Carlani Hudson	Posted - 2009.08.25 15:13:00 - [51] Edited by: Carlani Hudson on 25/08/2009 15:15:30 GallentTs patriots that are concerned about Caldaris invading a Federation homeworld might want to check the following : Caldari open season
Yoshitaka Moromuo Distant Light Galactic Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive	Posted - 2009.08.25 15:21:00 - [52] I find it disheartening to see that it is still referred to as an "invasion" when the only megacorporation that will be "setting up shop" in the Intaki system is Ishukone. They and the Watch have one of the best reputations in terms of treatment of anyone who falls under their influence. Granted, one architect of that reputation met his end in the Malkalen incident, but Reppola-haan, I believe, is fully committed to continuing what Otro Gariushi did. The Intaki system will benefit from Ishukone's involvement as much as it allows itself to. Give it a chance, and then judge it based on the facts of the matter. Give the Watch a chance to make an impact on the profitability of piracy in that system. Give Ishukone itself a chance to make life better for all Intaki in the system.
Halunoto Vankaalen State Protectorate	Posted - 2009.08.25 21:15:00 - [53] Edited by: Halunoto Vankaalen on 25/08/2009 21:25:02 Originally by: Mihali That's a whole bunch of crock. Fact is that the Cadari State is committed to this war that most of resources have been going into it. Most Gallente see this "proxy" war as a big joke & that any SOB can be recruited for the right price. At first some Gallente pilots took it seriously, but it was such a joke that each side "held" systems for weeks. More "volunteers" came from the Caldari& thus you have the current situation. Trust me, if this was a full out war, you guys wouldn't stand a chance. I'm sure the residents of Essence, Placid and Verge Vendor are glad to know that "most Gallente" consider their situation a joke. Very funny huh? Here's the punchline Mihali, the systems have been successfully auctioned off to the megacorporations (who are laughing all the way to the State & Region Bank) enforcing our claim to them. Not just by force of capsuleer, but backed up by corporate and Caldari Navy muscle. There's also a Titan parked above Caldari Prime, remember that? The Federation's inactivity hasn't given us a foothold, we've been gifted an estate. Truly amusing. Originally by: Dante Vailatti I'd lean to thinking that the Amarr have the most to gain in the long run, not the megacorps...well, not the non-Amarr megacorps, anyway. The Caldari State has seemingly unshakeable control over its new assets. That does not mean setbacks are impossible, we should be ever vigilant. But why, in the name of the spirits, would the Empire bother to send detachments of the Imperial Navy north on a pointless crusade against its greatest ally and burgeoning trade partner? With no history of aggression against the State? Spare us your speculation on the 'true intentions' of the Empire Vailatti, such thinking is as baseless today as it was in years past.
Ivas	Posted - 2009.08.25 21:53:00 - [54] Originally by: Halunoto Vankaalen But why, in the name of the spirits, would the Empire bother to send detachments of the Imperial Navy north on a pointless crusade against its greatest ally and burgeoning trade partner? With no history of aggression against the State? If you think the Caldari will be overlooked in the Reclaiming you're sadly mistaken.
Zebadia Chan	Posted - 2009.08.25 22:31:00 - [55] Originally by: Ivas Originally by: Halunoto Vankaalen But why, in the name of the spirits, would the Empire bother to send detachments of the Imperial Navy north on a pointless crusade against its greatest ally and burgeoning trade partner? With no history of aggression against the State? If you think the Caldari will be overlooked in the Reclaiming you're sadly mistaken. Religious society Amarr have more to worry about from warrior society Caldari. The Caldari have Unmatched technology and they spend their days watching blood sports. Let alone that they have just rolled over their enemy, unlike the flagging Amarr/Minmatar conflict. I think we need to watch our allies a bit closer lest their influence and success infect the peasant classes into thinking Meritocracy rather than Divine Intervention is the proper way to build a society.
Dex Nederland Caldari Lai Dai Infinity Systems	Posted - 2009.08.26 01:35:00 - [56] Originally by: Ivas Originally by: Halunoto Vankaalen But why, in the name of the spirits, would the Empire bother to send detachments of the Imperial Navy north on a pointless crusade against its greatest ally and burgeoning trade partner? With no history of aggression against the State? If you think the Caldari will be overlooked in the Reclaiming you're sadly mistaken. I keep hearing this and it seems like an argument that underrates the the abilities of those doing the arguing. Now the opinions of the Amarrian militant reclaimers aside, do you expect the Minmatar to be defeated any time soon? Your argument assumes you lose and are reclaimed and that the Empire is able to efficiently bend the combined resources of the Empire and Republic against any 2 of the other Empires. Even if we assume the Federation is in tatters and defeated (which is unlikely), the State and the Directorate (don't forget the Jove) are unlikely to be easy to defeat. So do you the Minmatar plan to lose? CEO, Lai Dai Infinity Systems
Aria Jenneth Caldari Ghost Festival	Posted - 2009.08.26 09:04:00 - [57] Originally by: Havohej I'd like to speak with you about this post-human thing... it sounds interesting. I assume that's what you're talking about here, anyway. Maybe we might find time and opportunity after the Skyhook event later this week? I'll be looking forward to it. Judging by your comments elsewhere, it seems you and I have a lot to talk about.
Dante Vailatti Gallente	Posted - 2009.08.26 12:36:00 - [58] Originally by: Halunoto Vankaalen The Caldari State has seemingly unshakeable control over its new assets. That does not mean setbacks are impossible, we should be ever vigilant. But why, in the name of the spirits, would the Empire bother to send detachments of the Imperial Navy north on a pointless crusade against its greatest ally and burgeoning trade partner? With no history of aggression against the State? Spare us your speculation on the 'true intentions' of the Empire Vailatti, such thinking is as baseless today as it was in years past. If the mighty Caldari have such an immense degree of control...how is it that the troubles continue? Maybe the Amarr aren't sitting back and waiting for an opportunity to sweep up. Maybe. But you reference the past, and that tells me that my speculations may not be as baseless as you say. Just because they didn't then, doesn't mean that they weren't looking for the same opportunity. D. "In the promise of another world A dreadful knowledge comes How even space can modulate And earthly things be done."
Halunoto Vankaalen State Protectorate	Posted - 2009.08.26 20:23:00 - [59] Edited by: Halunoto Vankaalen on 26/08/2009 20:24:11 Originally by: Dante Vailatti If the mighty Caldari have such an immense degree of control...how is it that the troubles continue? Maybe the Amarr aren't sitting back and waiting for an opportunity to sweep up. Maybe. But you reference the past, and that tells me that my speculations may not be as baseless as you say. Just because they didn't then, doesn't mean that they weren't looking for the same opportunity. The troubles continue, yet the systems are still firmly held by the State. You have the perseverance and dedication shown by the pilots of the State Protectorate and assoc. corporations to thank for that. Much is theoretically possible Vailatti, but to suggest that the Empire is biding it's time to conquer the Caldari State suggests you have overlooked detail, in the name of making bold claims.
Sumerio Rayej Intaki Liberation Front	Posted - 2009.08.27 06:22:00 - [60] It's laughable to see so many pilots talk as though Intaki's troubles started with the arrival of Caldari militia. Intaki has no naval patrols, but it does have Serpentis patrols. Oh, and capsuleer pirates roamed Intaki long before the militias came. There's not a single station with an orbital factory, and a station with medical facilities was only recently erected in order to prosecute the Faction War. Make no mistake. Despite being the home of one of the "founding" races of the Gallente Federation, Intaki is a back water. The troubles in Intaki go way back, and they aren't the fault of the Caldari. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- View the Intaki Homeworld Webcam at www.ilfcorp.com

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