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Jonas Calvin
Caldari House Theodoulos
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Posted - 2009.08.20 18:12:00 -
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Tell me CCP,
What is the logic of NOT being allowed to transport PLexes in your cargo hold?
What possible reasoning do you have behind this???
You come down on the isk farmers. You strongly discourage buying from the farmers, then you pull this absurdly illogical move to hamper people who are trying to play by your rules in order to earn isk, ACCORDING TO YOUR RULES.
Forgive me CCP, I don't see where you're coming at with this restriction.
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Ephemeron
North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.08.20 18:35:00 -
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I brought up same point many months ago - because I wanted to see PLEX traffic that pirates could take advantage of.
CCP replied that you don't need to transfer them because they can be applied to your character from any remote system. And they don't want to risk real money items falling into pirate hands cause of some stupid reasons. |
De'Veldrin
Minmatar Special Projects Executive
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Posted - 2009.08.20 18:40:00 -
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Why do you need to? |
Jonas Calvin
House Theodoulos
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Posted - 2009.08.20 18:41:00 -
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I use GTCs to make my isk. Mining bores me to tears, and mission ops get old after rescuing that stupid Damsel for the ump-teenth time.
When CCP had their "rage" on the isk farmers, was when I noticed the price of GTCs drop. So a colleague offered to buy them from me in Providence.
Can't generate PLEXes in 0.0! So I headed to Empire Space.
Now, I can't even move them.
I'm taking 140Mil isk hit just because CCP doesn't want PLEXes to move.
Great!
Now, tell me how to convert them back to a GTC so I can sell it and only take a 40Mil isk loss rather than a 140Mil loss. |
Herschel Yamamoto
Agent-Orange
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Posted - 2009.08.20 19:13:00 -
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OP is being more belligerent than the topic deserves, but supporting the ability to move PLEX around. If you let scammers have their fun with them, why not pirates? I'm pro-arbitrage.
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De'Veldrin
Minmatar Special Projects Executive
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Posted - 2009.08.20 19:44:00 -
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@the OP: So you failed to do your due diligence and research, made a bad business decision because of it, and it's CCP's fault. Right. As long as we're clear on that.
That aside, I've never understood why you can't move a PLEX. I would support the CSM asking the question, and providing us with the reasoning before we ask for that ability.
The other option, of course, is to give people the option to generate them in any station, regardless of system security level. I'd be curious to know the reasoning behind that too. --Vel You're killing me Smalls!
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Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
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Posted - 2009.08.20 20:20:00 -
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Originally by: Ephemeron I brought up same point many months ago - because I wanted to see PLEX traffic that pirates could take advantage of.
CCP replied that you don't need to transfer them because they can be applied to your character from any remote system. And they don't want to risk real money items falling into pirate hands cause of some stupid reasons.
If this is true, why the whine in the OP? Can't he contract them like everything else and let his collegue activate them remotely? Why is it necessary to move them? I'm not against making them like normal objects, not just seeing why he has so much issue with them. The only complaint, that seems legit comes from the pirates not getting their chance for tasty PLEX loot.
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William Pierce
Universal Army Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.08.20 23:53:00 -
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CCP has previously stated in response to questions about why they are scammable, that since they are in game items, they can be scammed like in game items. Why doesn't this apply to moving them too?
Supported
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Tommy Blue
Arcana Imperii Ltd. Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2009.08.20 23:57:00 -
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Maybe CCP doesn't want haulers with PLEXs getting ganked and people getting free game time.
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rofflesausage
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Posted - 2009.08.21 00:23:00 -
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Originally by: Tommy Blue Maybe CCP doesn't want haulers with PLEXs getting ganked and people getting free game time.
Perhaps, but it seems a bit crazy that it's ok to gank a hauler with billions on board, which can be sold and PLEX brought, rather than just getting the PLEX in the first place *shrug*.
Should be transportable IMO too!
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Tortugan
F9X
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Posted - 2009.08.21 00:47:00 -
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Of all the weird things CCP does, I have to say I think this restriction is a fairly reasonable one. If PLEXes become transportable, noobs will be bringing them to Jita in their Ibis, and when they get ganked, it will result in numerous (albeit unjustified) petitions and complaints to CCP, which will do nothing but slow the process down for those with legitimate problems.
Much fun as it would be to pop a Badger Mark I full of the things, it would cause more problems than it's worth.
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Jin Labarre
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Posted - 2009.08.21 02:05:00 -
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As far as I see it, CCP is just trying to prevent legal issues.
Right now a PLEX can only change hands if the owner sells it. He may sell it at a bad price, but he still has to sell it.
If PLEX could get stolen, things might get rather messy, because PLEX are a direct transfer of real world money. Sure, you can rob people of billions worth of assets, but those assets have no direct connection to hard currency. Indirect in some cases, but never direct, since money cannot be directly translated into items or ISK. PLEX have a direct hard currency connection. Always. That may also be the reasy why even a multimillion ISK ship can be trashed, but PLEX can't be trashed. They can only be sold, traded, or used.
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Joshua Foiritain
Coreli Corporation
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Posted - 2009.09.06 10:42:00 -
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Originally by: Tommy Blue Maybe CCP doesn't want haulers with PLEXs getting ganked and people getting free game time.
Technically someone once payed for it so the gametime itself isnt actually free
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Tempest Inferno
Davy Jones Locker Enforcers of Serenity
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Posted - 2009.09.06 13:54:00 -
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Originally by: Jin Labarre As far as I see it, CCP is just trying to prevent legal issues.
Right now a PLEX can only change hands if the owner sells it. He may sell it at a bad price, but he still has to sell it.
. . .
I agree with this. the PLEX is bought and owned by the character making the conversion. if you need to sell one somewhere you cant get to, use one of the spare character slots on your account and send him to jita or wherever, convert, sell, give isk to main char.
I personally tend to sell within my alliance and ask where the buyer wants the PLEX. flying around isn't that bad of a thing to do as shuttles and interceptors are fast. besides why risk transporting it and loosing it when you can fly to your destination then convert it. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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RedSplat
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2009.09.06 14:02:00 -
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Edited by: RedSplat on 06/09/2009 14:04:21 There are no real legal issues i can see developing- an individual has NOT bought gametime when he buys a PLEX.
He has bought an in game item that CAN be exchanged for gametime. As can GTC. As can anything with an isk value in EVE.
A plex really only represents its isk value as much as gametime.
If someone blows up a freighter carrying Faction BS and sells them, they can buy gamtime with the isk.
There is absolutely no functional difference if someone were to blow up a hauler full of plex.
Allow people to transport PLEX. Give piracy a boost FFS, its about damn time for one.
Originally by: CCP Mitnal
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Maewei Balducci
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Posted - 2009.09.06 14:23:00 -
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Originally by: rofflesausage
Originally by: Tommy Blue Maybe CCP doesn't want haulers with PLEXs getting ganked and people getting free game time.
Perhaps, but it seems a bit crazy that it's ok to gank a hauler with billions on board, which can be sold and PLEX brought, rather than just getting the PLEX in the first place *shrug*.
Should be transportable IMO too!
agree to this.
plex market is really strange ; look at the price at jita, then look on other system, you can see a 50M difference sometimes... a way to transport then is needed
otherwise, the day people will stop gambling on them, the price will fall... a lot. and i don't think ccp will appreciate a little price for this :)
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Siigari Kitawa
The Aduro Protocol
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Posted - 2009.09.06 16:42:00 -
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What you do with an ingame item should be your choice.
If you choose to buy 50 of them, undock and jet them all in a can and then shoot them then that should be your choice.
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Gilbert Savonnawong
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Posted - 2009.09.07 19:29:00 -
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I am against unnecessary prohibitions. If you are stupid enough to get yourself shot whit a handful of PLEXs on board, so what, you have the right for that.
We, in this part of Europe, had enough states telling whats good for us and forbidding anything for "our own good". After having ged rid of them with all that hard work, i feel to puke when now companies start doing the same. Sorry for the rant.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2009.09.07 23:35:00 -
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Edited by: Akita T on 07/09/2009 23:36:10
Originally by: Jonas Calvin So a colleague offered to buy them from me in Providence. Can't generate PLEXes in 0.0! So I headed to Empire Space. Now, I can't even move them. Now, tell me how to convert them back to a GTC so I can sell it and only take a 40Mil isk loss rather than a 140Mil loss.
PERSONAL contract + use remotely.
You can transfer them to anybody, where either of you is actually located is irrelevant. He can then use it from his assets pannel once he accepts the contract.
PLEX DON'T _NEED_ TO BE MOVED to be used by anybody.
Yes, you can't put them up on sale on the market in a different region, but that's about it - if you know the buyer, you can just issue the contract to him wherever he is. That's the ONLY inconvenience.
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But other than that, LULZ-worthy killmails with hundreds of PLEXes are worth supporting this.
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Manu Hermanus
FaDoyToy
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Posted - 2009.09.07 23:52:00 -
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Originally by: Tommy Blue Maybe CCP doesn't want haulers with PLEXs getting ganked and people getting free game time.
but that sounds awesome!
supported!
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