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Akan
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Posted - 2004.10.12 14:48:00 -
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We don't want to claim CR or take CR back from NORAD, we just want to live in it in peace with our NORAD friends, as before. The only thing we ask is THEMM & co to leave the region (but to stay in NORAD), and change radically their politics and different policies (pvp action, recruitement, alliance market, security):
described in NORAD forums
We don't care about stations at the moment, we're only asking for a docking right and access to production slots.
Once again, NM/CFC/CDA are not at war with NORAD, but with THEMM and their "academy" ATHEM.
Here is the (updated) list of who is considered as kos for us:
- THEMM
- ATHEM
- R.INC
We won't shoot at neutrals NORAD corps, never, and only fire back if attacked.
If a corp which was neutral opens fire on NM/CFC/CDA, it will instantly be added to our kos list.
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*** Guardians Die but Do Not Surrender *** |
Akan
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Posted - 2004.10.12 14:48:00 -
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We don't want to claim CR or take CR back from NORAD, we just want to live in it in peace with our NORAD friends, as before. The only thing we ask is THEMM & co to leave the region (but to stay in NORAD), and change radically their politics and different policies (pvp action, recruitement, alliance market, security):
described in NORAD forums
We don't care about stations at the moment, we're only asking for a docking right and access to production slots.
Once again, NM/CFC/CDA are not at war with NORAD, but with THEMM and their "academy" ATHEM.
Here is the (updated) list of who is considered as kos for us:
- THEMM
- ATHEM
- R.INC
We won't shoot at neutrals NORAD corps, never, and only fire back if attacked.
If a corp which was neutral opens fire on NM/CFC/CDA, it will instantly be added to our kos list.
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*** Guardians Die but Do Not Surrender *** |
Lucian Alucard
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Posted - 2004.10.12 15:24:00 -
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So like your basically angry at us cuz we have some old pirates and had a few security breachs. Secondly we (NORAD) had a now confirmed spy/traitor in our midst for quite awhile who just left for DIRTY SANCHEZ and guess what they weren't even in THEMM. So pick on someone else mmmmmmmmm....kay! And yes I was by your obviously out dated standards a pirate. And yes I have a few infamous pirate friends but does that mean I betray NORAD to them NO. Some people (Even Pirates) have a code of honor. Cao Cao was a great example of that and I have alot more to support that claim,but at the end of the day it really doesn't matter since Piracy died the moment Sentry Guns and Concord were put in 0.4 and below.
Now the issuse of recruiting "Pirates" hs been argued over and over again and it always turns into a kindergarten school ground shouting match with both sides saying they are right. The truth is we do recruit some former "pirates" but we do so with the intent of sort of rehabilitating them. Now some may say this is a tad naieve. And to a point they are right but I think thats needed to change things in this game for the better if you are not in a corp that allows for change and learning you will stagnate and slowly die. Now in the process of rehabilitating "pirates" we had failed and we have prevailed. Some of our most loyal members were one time CA/C4 members. Now since this is the original corp that introduced me to 0.0 politics and to PVP, I have taken this fiasco somewhat personally,I hold a deep loyalty to THEMM and whatever they chose to do I will comply with. But in all honesty for every reason given I hold them of the opinion that they are not only a assnine joke but some silly way to gain sympathy,you spammed the council meeting not a minute befor you sneak attacked the roid belts and production factories of XZH. You did not try to find a peaceful way out of this, you did not sit down and talk it out you made a choice to betray people who would have gladly worked with you and many who once considered you friends for political which at the end of the day it comes down to. Were you thinking something along the lines "While the cats away the mice can play". I mean I find it funny that you pull this a month after BNC leaves,you plotted this thing the percision shows it, you no longer had a military titan like BNC to be affraid of striking back at you so you pull this stunt. Well now it has back fired on you and from the best I can assess NORAD has booted your 3 corps and backs us. I will leave you to decide where you first went wrong but in my belief it maybe the moment you thought we would roll over and play dead for you.
Please stop being a third rate flamer,I am tired of reactivating my account just to kick your ass. |
Lucian Alucard
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Posted - 2004.10.12 15:24:00 -
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So like your basically angry at us cuz we have some old pirates and had a few security breachs. Secondly we (NORAD) had a now confirmed spy/traitor in our midst for quite awhile who just left for DIRTY SANCHEZ and guess what they weren't even in THEMM. So pick on someone else mmmmmmmmm....kay! And yes I was by your obviously out dated standards a pirate. And yes I have a few infamous pirate friends but does that mean I betray NORAD to them NO. Some people (Even Pirates) have a code of honor. Cao Cao was a great example of that and I have alot more to support that claim,but at the end of the day it really doesn't matter since Piracy died the moment Sentry Guns and Concord were put in 0.4 and below.
Now the issuse of recruiting "Pirates" hs been argued over and over again and it always turns into a kindergarten school ground shouting match with both sides saying they are right. The truth is we do recruit some former "pirates" but we do so with the intent of sort of rehabilitating them. Now some may say this is a tad naieve. And to a point they are right but I think thats needed to change things in this game for the better if you are not in a corp that allows for change and learning you will stagnate and slowly die. Now in the process of rehabilitating "pirates" we had failed and we have prevailed. Some of our most loyal members were one time CA/C4 members. Now since this is the original corp that introduced me to 0.0 politics and to PVP, I have taken this fiasco somewhat personally,I hold a deep loyalty to THEMM and whatever they chose to do I will comply with. But in all honesty for every reason given I hold them of the opinion that they are not only a assnine joke but some silly way to gain sympathy,you spammed the council meeting not a minute befor you sneak attacked the roid belts and production factories of XZH. You did not try to find a peaceful way out of this, you did not sit down and talk it out you made a choice to betray people who would have gladly worked with you and many who once considered you friends for political which at the end of the day it comes down to. Were you thinking something along the lines "While the cats away the mice can play". I mean I find it funny that you pull this a month after BNC leaves,you plotted this thing the percision shows it, you no longer had a military titan like BNC to be affraid of striking back at you so you pull this stunt. Well now it has back fired on you and from the best I can assess NORAD has booted your 3 corps and backs us. I will leave you to decide where you first went wrong but in my belief it maybe the moment you thought we would roll over and play dead for you.
Please stop being a third rate flamer,I am tired of reactivating my account just to kick your ass. |
Jonny Damordred
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Posted - 2004.10.12 15:59:00 -
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 Originally by: Lucian Alucard
Were you thinking something along the lines "While the cats away the mice can play". I mean I find it funny that you pull this a month after BNC leaves,you plotted this thing the percision shows it, you no longer had a military titan like BNC to be affraid of striking back at you so you pull this stunt.
Please do not drag BNC into this.
Cheers,
Jonny D.
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Jonny Damordred: Political attachÚ of the Drunken Horde.
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Jonny Damordred
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Posted - 2004.10.12 15:59:00 -
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Originally by: Lucian Alucard
Were you thinking something along the lines "While the cats away the mice can play". I mean I find it funny that you pull this a month after BNC leaves,you plotted this thing the percision shows it, you no longer had a military titan like BNC to be affraid of striking back at you so you pull this stunt.
Please do not drag BNC into this.
Cheers,
Jonny D.
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Jonny Damordred: Political attachÚ of the Drunken Horde.
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Quarath
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Posted - 2004.10.12 16:09:00 -
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Originally by: Jonny Damordred
Originally by: Lucian Alucard
Were you thinking something along the lines "While the cats away the mice can play". I mean I find it funny that you pull this a month after BNC leaves,you plotted this thing the percision shows it, you no longer had a military titan like BNC to be affraid of striking back at you so you pull this stunt.
Please do not drag BNC into this.
Cheers,
Jonny D.
Dont worry Jonny, we know BNC has nothing to do with this.
We know it because we know Nemesis asked BNC if you will stay neutral when Nemesis attack NORAD.
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creator of the territorial map of EVE
I do not deal with lesser life forms.
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Quarath
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Posted - 2004.10.12 16:09:00 -
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Originally by: Jonny Damordred
Originally by: Lucian Alucard
Were you thinking something along the lines "While the cats away the mice can play". I mean I find it funny that you pull this a month after BNC leaves,you plotted this thing the percision shows it, you no longer had a military titan like BNC to be affraid of striking back at you so you pull this stunt.
Please do not drag BNC into this.
Cheers,
Jonny D.
Dont worry Jonny, we know BNC has nothing to do with this.
We know it because we know Nemesis asked BNC if you will stay neutral when Nemesis attack NORAD.
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creator of the territorial map of EVE
I do not deal with lesser life forms.
...yes, I'm a lonely g |
fisho
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Posted - 2004.10.12 16:10:00 -
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While not the best of PvP corps to grace EVE, Nemisis where the main corp to provide any resistance while we(m0o) payed our little visits up in the Cloud ring. I wish Nemesis the best of luck, against the rest of the lamers that sit and hide in xzh.
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fisho
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Posted - 2004.10.12 16:10:00 -
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While not the best of PvP corps to grace EVE, Nemisis where the main corp to provide any resistance while we(m0o) payed our little visits up in the Cloud ring. I wish Nemesis the best of luck, against the rest of the lamers that sit and hide in xzh.
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Halseth Durn
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Posted - 2004.10.12 16:23:00 -
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This matter is no business of mine, but I'd like to offer some advice from an experienced POV.
You CANNOT have a war between 2 corporations in the same alliance. Period. It simply doesn't work because concious of it or not, you are forcing all of your fellow alliance corps to choose sides. And that is completely selfish and unfair to those not in conflict. Also, If one corp manages to remove another corp from the alliance by kicking their teeth in, how comfortable do you think the rest of the alliance will feel towards a corp that now knows they can destroy an alliance partner and get away with it?
You want to kill an alliance from the inside? Let 2 member corps go to war. |
Halseth Durn
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Posted - 2004.10.12 16:23:00 -
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This matter is no business of mine, but I'd like to offer some advice from an experienced POV.
You CANNOT have a war between 2 corporations in the same alliance. Period. It simply doesn't work because concious of it or not, you are forcing all of your fellow alliance corps to choose sides. And that is completely selfish and unfair to those not in conflict. Also, If one corp manages to remove another corp from the alliance by kicking their teeth in, how comfortable do you think the rest of the alliance will feel towards a corp that now knows they can destroy an alliance partner and get away with it?
You want to kill an alliance from the inside? Let 2 member corps go to war. |
kocour
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Posted - 2004.10.12 16:38:00 -
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Originally by: fisho
While not the best of PvP corps to grace EVE, Nemisis where the main corp to provide any resistance while we(m0o) payed our little visits up in the Cloud ring. I wish Nemesis the best of luck, against the rest of the lamers that sit and hide in xzh.
You dont understand. Noone ever said that Nemesis did not do a lot for NORAD. But even the emperor has to respect his own laws. So does Nemesis - as a former NORAD corp - respect NORAD rules and council decisions. Such a behavior is bringing us back to Umlats days, when one corp tryed to dictate what is good and what is wrong - this is what Nemesis and other former NORAD corps were fighting against a year ago.
Akan knows that he cant force Nemesis will on NORAD by attacking a NORAD corp. He also knows that when one of NORAD corps gets attacked, all will respond. So his statement about not shooting neutral corps is nonsence, because there are no neutral corps. There are only NORAD and non-NORAD.
If Nemesis dont want to claim CR, all this summed up means, that there is no win-situation for Nemesis.
The only thing they can achieve is that they will force NORAD to pull off CR. There will be no more TheMM in CR, but there will be no NORAD either. And Nemesis will still be on NORAD KOS list. Is this what you want Nemesis?
The only way to achieve what they claim to wish to achieve - change in NORAD policy - is to sit and talk to the NORAD council.
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kocour
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Posted - 2004.10.12 16:38:00 -
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Originally by: fisho
While not the best of PvP corps to grace EVE, Nemisis where the main corp to provide any resistance while we(m0o) payed our little visits up in the Cloud ring. I wish Nemesis the best of luck, against the rest of the lamers that sit and hide in xzh.
You dont understand. Noone ever said that Nemesis did not do a lot for NORAD. But even the emperor has to respect his own laws. So does Nemesis - as a former NORAD corp - respect NORAD rules and council decisions. Such a behavior is bringing us back to Umlats days, when one corp tryed to dictate what is good and what is wrong - this is what Nemesis and other former NORAD corps were fighting against a year ago.
Akan knows that he cant force Nemesis will on NORAD by attacking a NORAD corp. He also knows that when one of NORAD corps gets attacked, all will respond. So his statement about not shooting neutral corps is nonsence, because there are no neutral corps. There are only NORAD and non-NORAD.
If Nemesis dont want to claim CR, all this summed up means, that there is no win-situation for Nemesis.
The only thing they can achieve is that they will force NORAD to pull off CR. There will be no more TheMM in CR, but there will be no NORAD either. And Nemesis will still be on NORAD KOS list. Is this what you want Nemesis?
The only way to achieve what they claim to wish to achieve - change in NORAD policy - is to sit and talk to the NORAD council.
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fisho
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Posted - 2004.10.12 16:48:00 -
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Originally by: kocour
Originally by: fisho
While not the best of PvP corps to grace EVE, Nemisis where the main corp to provide any resistance while we(m0o) payed our little visits up in the Cloud ring. I wish Nemesis the best of luck, against the rest of the lamers that sit and hide in xzh.
You dont understand. Noone ever said that Nemesis did not do a lot for NORAD. But even the emperor has to respect his own laws. So does Nemesis - as a former NORAD corp - respect NORAD rules and council decisions. Such a behavior is bringing us back to Umlats days, when one corp tryed to dictate what is good and what is wrong - this is what Nemesis and other former NORAD corps were fighting against a year ago.
Akan knows that he cant force Nemesis will on NORAD by attacking a NORAD corp. He also knows that when one of NORAD corps gets attacked, all will respond. So his statement about not shooting neutral corps is nonsence, because there are no neutral corps. There are only NORAD and non-NORAD.
If Nemesis dont want to claim CR, all this summed up means, that there is no win-situation for Nemesis.
The only thing they can achieve is that they will force NORAD to pull off CR. There will be no more TheMM in CR, but there will be no NORAD either. And Nemesis will still be on NORAD KOS list. Is this what you want Nemesis?
The only way to achieve what they claim to wish to achieve - change in NORAD policy - is to sit and talk to the NORAD council.
Ok nice point, well made.
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fisho
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Posted - 2004.10.12 16:48:00 -
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Originally by: kocour
Originally by: fisho
While not the best of PvP corps to grace EVE, Nemisis where the main corp to provide any resistance while we(m0o) payed our little visits up in the Cloud ring. I wish Nemesis the best of luck, against the rest of the lamers that sit and hide in xzh.
You dont understand. Noone ever said that Nemesis did not do a lot for NORAD. But even the emperor has to respect his own laws. So does Nemesis - as a former NORAD corp - respect NORAD rules and council decisions. Such a behavior is bringing us back to Umlats days, when one corp tryed to dictate what is good and what is wrong - this is what Nemesis and other former NORAD corps were fighting against a year ago.
Akan knows that he cant force Nemesis will on NORAD by attacking a NORAD corp. He also knows that when one of NORAD corps gets attacked, all will respond. So his statement about not shooting neutral corps is nonsence, because there are no neutral corps. There are only NORAD and non-NORAD.
If Nemesis dont want to claim CR, all this summed up means, that there is no win-situation for Nemesis.
The only thing they can achieve is that they will force NORAD to pull off CR. There will be no more TheMM in CR, but there will be no NORAD either. And Nemesis will still be on NORAD KOS list. Is this what you want Nemesis?
The only way to achieve what they claim to wish to achieve - change in NORAD policy - is to sit and talk to the NORAD council.
Ok nice point, well made.
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ubikar
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Posted - 2004.10.12 16:50:00 -
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In no case we want to push a dicdat in NORAD, the only thing we are asking for is: discipline, and especially for THEMM. Actually, THEMM got a "special status" in NORAD which does that nobody says what they think and nobody wants to denounce the problems they are bringing into NORAD. This is what we want to change.
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ubikar
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Posted - 2004.10.12 16:50:00 -
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In no case we want to push a dicdat in NORAD, the only thing we are asking for is: discipline, and especially for THEMM. Actually, THEMM got a "special status" in NORAD which does that nobody says what they think and nobody wants to denounce the problems they are bringing into NORAD. This is what we want to change.
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AvanCade
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Posted - 2004.10.12 16:55:00 -
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Kinda sounds like the FA-CFS deal. I'd say kill em all !
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AvanCade
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Posted - 2004.10.12 16:55:00 -
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Kinda sounds like the FA-CFS deal. I'd say kill em all !
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MAXSuicide
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Posted - 2004.10.12 17:22:00 -
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cade cade cade....lol...lets not hijack the thread :P
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MAXSuicide
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Posted - 2004.10.12 17:22:00 -
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cade cade cade....lol...lets not hijack the thread :P
My vids and random stuff |
Elenia Kheynes
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Posted - 2004.10.12 17:24:00 -
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Good luck Nemesis 
(doesn't mean I won't shoot at you  )
Dear friendly customer... Can I have your money ?
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Elenia Kheynes
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Posted - 2004.10.12 17:24:00 -
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Good luck Nemesis
(doesn't mean I won't shoot at you )
Dear friendly customer... Can I have your money ?
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Anubies Hazas
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Posted - 2004.10.12 18:10:00 -
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what "special status" does my corp have? it has always follow the ruling of the norad council and we never hold ourself as special. if any norad members have issues about corp members or the corp itself, youre always free to talk to the directors/officers.
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Anubies Hazas
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Posted - 2004.10.12 18:10:00 -
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what "special status" does my corp have? it has always follow the ruling of the norad council and we never hold ourself as special. if any norad members have issues about corp members or the corp itself, youre always free to talk to the directors/officers.
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cashman
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Posted - 2004.10.12 19:10:00 -
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Originally by: ubikar
In no case we want to push a dicdat in NORAD, the only thing we are asking for is: discipline, and especially for THEMM. Actually, THEMM got a "special status" in NORAD which does that nobody says what they think and nobody wants to denounce the problems they are bringing into NORAD. This is what we want to change.
Funny how you guys talk about "discipline". You were the people to give TheMM a 10sec warning (a statement that took at least 30sec to read) before you started blasting away. You didn't even bring your issues up at any of the forums/meetings.
You just started blasting and demanding. Ignorant and retarded to even think NORAD would accept that at any level. And even though you could see that the rest of NORAD disagreed with you and didn't accept your actions - you keept demanding new things.
And as someone else said (and I've have too): If you attack 1 corp in NORAD, you attack NORAD - and NORAD will attack you, all of us.
If you really wanted to live in peace with the rest of NORAD, you would leave our space without attacking members any more. You guys know the rules and how things work - You've been with us for months, so you should.
Right up untill Sunday evening it was a pleasure to fly with you, but I'm sad to see things go this way. If you had just tried the peacefull way first, things would have looked so much more different.
Note: This post is not a "NORAD Statement" of any kind - just my personal thoughts.
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cashman
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Posted - 2004.10.12 19:10:00 -
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Originally by: ubikar
In no case we want to push a dicdat in NORAD, the only thing we are asking for is: discipline, and especially for THEMM. Actually, THEMM got a "special status" in NORAD which does that nobody says what they think and nobody wants to denounce the problems they are bringing into NORAD. This is what we want to change.
Funny how you guys talk about "discipline". You were the people to give TheMM a 10sec warning (a statement that took at least 30sec to read) before you started blasting away. You didn't even bring your issues up at any of the forums/meetings.
You just started blasting and demanding. Ignorant and retarded to even think NORAD would accept that at any level. And even though you could see that the rest of NORAD disagreed with you and didn't accept your actions - you keept demanding new things.
And as someone else said (and I've have too): If you attack 1 corp in NORAD, you attack NORAD - and NORAD will attack you, all of us.
If you really wanted to live in peace with the rest of NORAD, you would leave our space without attacking members any more. You guys know the rules and how things work - You've been with us for months, so you should.
Right up untill Sunday evening it was a pleasure to fly with you, but I'm sad to see things go this way. If you had just tried the peacefull way first, things would have looked so much more different.
Note: This post is not a "NORAD Statement" of any kind - just my personal thoughts.
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Notferr
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Posted - 2004.10.12 19:13:00 -
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I hate to see this. Hopefully you guys can mend your relationship.
- N -
Cowboy - Celestial Apocalypse
Now hear this, I am selling clues on market in gehi.
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Notferr
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Posted - 2004.10.12 19:13:00 -
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I hate to see this. Hopefully you guys can mend your relationship.
- N -
Cowboy - Celestial Apocalypse
Now hear this, I am selling clues on market in gehi.
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Taladorn
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Posted - 2004.10.12 19:34:00 -
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Originally by: ubikar
In no case we want to push a dicdat in NORAD, the only thing we are asking for is: discipline, and especially for THEMM. Actually, THEMM got a "special status" in NORAD which does that nobody says what they think and nobody wants to denounce the problems they are bringing into NORAD. This is what we want to change.
First off Im asking THEMM to stay out of the troll wars here. Akan and the gang wants some drama so let the regular gang of forum warriors feed the fire. Ill make one simple statement on this from the THEMM perspective and any other posts from THEMM members would be superfulous.
Now secondly, as to "special status" the only one I ever saw in NORAD was nemesis charging all its "allies" a tax at the refining station.
If they want to talk about recruiting former pirates then gosh lets point the finger at half the corps in eve m'kay ? Besides pretty much any pirate in this game has a carebear alt in some corp somewhere in 0.0 space to help subsidize there ganking. Most pirates would not waste there time putting there MAIN pirating alt in a corp like THEMM or any alliance corp for that matter. Its way easier to just take your main production/miner from your second acct and place it there. No bad history, you can provide a screencap of the login and no one outside CCP Staff could prove a linkage. So please stop that stupid line of reasoning it's really showing you dont have a clue how most ppl play this game.
IF they want some kind of veto power over my corps recruitment policy well gosh im sorry kids thats not going to happen. IF they had proposed some kind of policy in Norad Council like smart ppl odds are they would have gotten a lot of support.
Oh yea I almost forgot when you spam a 5 page war declaration in council on an alliance corp and 10 seconds later open fire on some unarmed miners then yeah thats trying to dictate. So please dont try to color this any other way. You made a powerplay and expected everyone to back it and you should at least have the gumption to admit it. By going outside the council and trying to take unilateral action you pretty much showed your respect level for that same council.
Anyway folks just remember its a game but the way you behave in that game is percieved using RL viewpoints of the people you play with.
NORAD has always been an alliance where 1 corp 1 vote regardless of size. So your above statements are basically saying that the majority of the Norad council are not capable of making a decision about any other corp in the alliance. In fact you hint at either me or THEMM as a corp having magical powers. 
All I can say is if you really believe that then WOW you caught me. My corp officers secretly have voodoo rituals before each council meeting and make blood sacrifices to the Ebil Veldspar God.
Anyway, all of the above is my opinion and a statement from THEMM not a NORAD Statement. Ill leave that to another Norad Diplimat from outside the conflict.
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Taladorn
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Posted - 2004.10.12 19:34:00 -
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Originally by: ubikar
In no case we want to push a dicdat in NORAD, the only thing we are asking for is: discipline, and especially for THEMM. Actually, THEMM got a "special status" in NORAD which does that nobody says what they think and nobody wants to denounce the problems they are bringing into NORAD. This is what we want to change.
First off Im asking THEMM to stay out of the troll wars here. Akan and the gang wants some drama so let the regular gang of forum warriors feed the fire. Ill make one simple statement on this from the THEMM perspective and any other posts from THEMM members would be superfulous.
Now secondly, as to "special status" the only one I ever saw in NORAD was nemesis charging all its "allies" a tax at the refining station.
If they want to talk about recruiting former pirates then gosh lets point the finger at half the corps in eve m'kay ? Besides pretty much any pirate in this game has a carebear alt in some corp somewhere in 0.0 space to help subsidize there ganking. Most pirates would not waste there time putting there MAIN pirating alt in a corp like THEMM or any alliance corp for that matter. Its way easier to just take your main production/miner from your second acct and place it there. No bad history, you can provide a screencap of the login and no one outside CCP Staff could prove a linkage. So please stop that stupid line of reasoning it's really showing you dont have a clue how most ppl play this game.
IF they want some kind of veto power over my corps recruitment policy well gosh im sorry kids thats not going to happen. IF they had proposed some kind of policy in Norad Council like smart ppl odds are they would have gotten a lot of support.
Oh yea I almost forgot when you spam a 5 page war declaration in council on an alliance corp and 10 seconds later open fire on some unarmed miners then yeah thats trying to dictate. So please dont try to color this any other way. You made a powerplay and expected everyone to back it and you should at least have the gumption to admit it. By going outside the council and trying to take unilateral action you pretty much showed your respect level for that same council.
Anyway folks just remember its a game but the way you behave in that game is percieved using RL viewpoints of the people you play with.
NORAD has always been an alliance where 1 corp 1 vote regardless of size. So your above statements are basically saying that the majority of the Norad council are not capable of making a decision about any other corp in the alliance. In fact you hint at either me or THEMM as a corp having magical powers.
All I can say is if you really believe that then WOW you caught me. My corp officers secretly have voodoo rituals before each council meeting and make blood sacrifices to the Ebil Veldspar God.
Anyway, all of the above is my opinion and a statement from THEMM not a NORAD Statement. Ill leave that to another Norad Diplimat from outside the conflict.
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Rthor
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Posted - 2004.10.12 19:35:00 -
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Since somebody kind of mentioned something, I just wanted to point out that this thread is totally cow****.
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Rthor
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Posted - 2004.10.12 19:35:00 -
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Since somebody kind of mentioned something, I just wanted to point out that this thread is totally cow****.
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CHUD
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Posted - 2004.10.12 20:38:00 -
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While we can appreciate people that back their ideas and statements with firepower, one cannot appreciate that apparent back-stabbing and bullying that was attempted here. Does it look to anyone else like someone didn't get their own way and so they decided to go gank some miners?? Sad part is, talking to some THEMM members afterwards, the majority of them had no idea wtf was going on. Sounds like you guys had a beef with some decision made in the upper command echelons...perhaps an assassination was in order?
You created a rift in NORAD, one that most likely cannot be repaired. Did you really think the others would back you after that show of contempt for the council, and the bullying? Why would anyone side with a faction that just proved they are no better than pirates, and will happily stab you in your sleep because they don't agree with you?
THEMM has been hounded by jealous, fearful people since day one, be it alt griefer corps, mercenary corps, general pirates, an entire alliance...and now one of our "allies."
Hopefully this can be seen through to a peaceful resolution, but otherwise I guess everyone is in for another sordid, back-slapping "hey we killed a miner apoc!!!" session. THEMM is mainly a production corp...I do not see what is so scary about them.
Oh well, on with the ganking. Lets steal some ore while we're at it.
"It puts the lotion on its skin or it gets the hose again." |
CHUD
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Posted - 2004.10.12 20:38:00 -
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While we can appreciate people that back their ideas and statements with firepower, one cannot appreciate that apparent back-stabbing and bullying that was attempted here. Does it look to anyone else like someone didn't get their own way and so they decided to go gank some miners?? Sad part is, talking to some THEMM members afterwards, the majority of them had no idea wtf was going on. Sounds like you guys had a beef with some decision made in the upper command echelons...perhaps an assassination was in order?
You created a rift in NORAD, one that most likely cannot be repaired. Did you really think the others would back you after that show of contempt for the council, and the bullying? Why would anyone side with a faction that just proved they are no better than pirates, and will happily stab you in your sleep because they don't agree with you?
THEMM has been hounded by jealous, fearful people since day one, be it alt griefer corps, mercenary corps, general pirates, an entire alliance...and now one of our "allies."
Hopefully this can be seen through to a peaceful resolution, but otherwise I guess everyone is in for another sordid, back-slapping "hey we killed a miner apoc!!!" session. THEMM is mainly a production corp...I do not see what is so scary about them.
Oh well, on with the ganking. Lets steal some ore while we're at it.
"It puts the lotion on its skin or it gets the hose again." |
Six KH
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Posted - 2004.10.13 11:03:00 -
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Edited by: Six KH on 13/10/2004 11:41:15
It's more like a revolution, not a backstabbing.
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Six KH
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Posted - 2004.10.13 11:03:00 -
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Edited by: Six KH on 13/10/2004 11:41:15
It's more like a revolution, not a backstabbing.
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The End
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Posted - 2004.10.13 11:19:00 -
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VIVA! La Resistance!
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The End
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Posted - 2004.10.13 11:19:00 -
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VIVA! La Resistance!
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UnIQu3
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Posted - 2004.10.13 12:05:00 -
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Originally by: cashman
Originally by: ubikar
In no case we want to push a dicdat in NORAD, the only thing we are asking for is: discipline, and especially for THEMM. Actually, THEMM got a "special status" in NORAD which does that nobody says what they think and nobody wants to denounce the problems they are bringing into NORAD. This is what we want to change.
Funny how you guys talk about "discipline". You were the people to give TheMM a 10sec warning (a statement that took at least 30sec to read) before you started blasting away. You didn't even bring your issues up at any of the forums/meetings.
You just started blasting and demanding. Ignorant and retarded to even think NORAD would accept that at any level. And even though you could see that the rest of NORAD disagreed with you and didn't accept your actions - you keept demanding new things.
And as someone else said (and I've have too): If you attack 1 corp in NORAD, you attack NORAD - and NORAD will attack you, all of us.
If you really wanted to live in peace with the rest of NORAD, you would leave our space without attacking members any more. You guys know the rules and how things work - You've been with us for months, so you should.
Right up untill Sunday evening it was a pleasure to fly with you, but I'm sad to see things go this way. If you had just tried the peacefull way first, things would have looked so much more different.
Note: This post is not a "NORAD Statement" of any kind - just my personal thoughts.
You sure we got a 10 sec warning ? Cause with me they had a covert op sneaking on to me... and then there 6 BS just landed ontop of me and ganked me.... im sure i got no warning at all.. so if I meet them in Stain/catch ill sure gank them 2.
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UnIQu3
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Posted - 2004.10.13 12:05:00 -
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Originally by: cashman
Originally by: ubikar
In no case we want to push a dicdat in NORAD, the only thing we are asking for is: discipline, and especially for THEMM. Actually, THEMM got a "special status" in NORAD which does that nobody says what they think and nobody wants to denounce the problems they are bringing into NORAD. This is what we want to change.
Funny how you guys talk about "discipline". You were the people to give TheMM a 10sec warning (a statement that took at least 30sec to read) before you started blasting away. You didn't even bring your issues up at any of the forums/meetings.
You just started blasting and demanding. Ignorant and retarded to even think NORAD would accept that at any level. And even though you could see that the rest of NORAD disagreed with you and didn't accept your actions - you keept demanding new things.
And as someone else said (and I've have too): If you attack 1 corp in NORAD, you attack NORAD - and NORAD will attack you, all of us.
If you really wanted to live in peace with the rest of NORAD, you would leave our space without attacking members any more. You guys know the rules and how things work - You've been with us for months, so you should.
Right up untill Sunday evening it was a pleasure to fly with you, but I'm sad to see things go this way. If you had just tried the peacefull way first, things would have looked so much more different.
Note: This post is not a "NORAD Statement" of any kind - just my personal thoughts.
You sure we got a 10 sec warning ? Cause with me they had a covert op sneaking on to me... and then there 6 BS just landed ontop of me and ganked me.... im sure i got no warning at all.. so if I meet them in Stain/catch ill sure gank them 2.
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cashman
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Posted - 2004.10.13 12:09:00 -
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Originally by: UnIQu3
Originally by: cashman
yadayadaya
You sure we got a 10 sec warning ? Cause with me they had a covert op sneaking on to me... and then there 6 BS just landed ontop of me and ganked me.... im sure i got no warning at all.. so if I meet them in Stain/catch ill sure gank them 2.
Well, I was in the meeting when the first report of a shiploss was reported - approxmitly 10sec after "statement/war declaration" was posted.
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cashman
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Posted - 2004.10.13 12:09:00 -
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Originally by: UnIQu3
Originally by: cashman
yadayadaya
You sure we got a 10 sec warning ? Cause with me they had a covert op sneaking on to me... and then there 6 BS just landed ontop of me and ganked me.... im sure i got no warning at all.. so if I meet them in Stain/catch ill sure gank them 2.
Well, I was in the meeting when the first report of a shiploss was reported - approxmitly 10sec after "statement/war declaration" was posted.
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Akan
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Posted - 2004.10.13 12:54:00 -
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Originally by: UnIQu3
Originally by: cashman
Originally by: ubikar
In no case we want to push a dicdat in NORAD, the only thing we are asking for is: discipline, and especially for THEMM. Actually, THEMM got a "special status" in NORAD which does that nobody says what they think and nobody wants to denounce the problems they are bringing into NORAD. This is what we want to change.
Funny how you guys talk about "discipline". You were the people to give TheMM a 10sec warning (a statement that took at least 30sec to read) before you started blasting away. You didn't even bring your issues up at any of the forums/meetings.
You just started blasting and demanding. Ignorant and retarded to even think NORAD would accept that at any level. And even though you could see that the rest of NORAD disagreed with you and didn't accept your actions - you keept demanding new things.
And as someone else said (and I've have too): If you attack 1 corp in NORAD, you attack NORAD - and NORAD will attack you, all of us.
If you really wanted to live in peace with the rest of NORAD, you would leave our space without attacking members any more. You guys know the rules and how things work - You've been with us for months, so you should.
Right up untill Sunday evening it was a pleasure to fly with you, but I'm sad to see things go this way. If you had just tried the peacefull way first, things would have looked so much more different.
Note: This post is not a "NORAD Statement" of any kind - just my personal thoughts.
You sure we got a 10 sec warning ? Cause with me they had a covert op sneaking on to me... and then there 6 BS just landed ontop of me and ganked me.... im sure i got no warning at all.. so if I meet them in Stain/catch ill sure gank them 2.
who u r??? do not even know u...
*** Guardians Die but Do Not Surrender *** |
Akan
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Posted - 2004.10.13 12:54:00 -
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Originally by: UnIQu3
Originally by: cashman
Originally by: ubikar
In no case we want to push a dicdat in NORAD, the only thing we are asking for is: discipline, and especially for THEMM. Actually, THEMM got a "special status" in NORAD which does that nobody says what they think and nobody wants to denounce the problems they are bringing into NORAD. This is what we want to change.
Funny how you guys talk about "discipline". You were the people to give TheMM a 10sec warning (a statement that took at least 30sec to read) before you started blasting away. You didn't even bring your issues up at any of the forums/meetings.
You just started blasting and demanding. Ignorant and retarded to even think NORAD would accept that at any level. And even though you could see that the rest of NORAD disagreed with you and didn't accept your actions - you keept demanding new things.
And as someone else said (and I've have too): If you attack 1 corp in NORAD, you attack NORAD - and NORAD will attack you, all of us.
If you really wanted to live in peace with the rest of NORAD, you would leave our space without attacking members any more. You guys know the rules and how things work - You've been with us for months, so you should.
Right up untill Sunday evening it was a pleasure to fly with you, but I'm sad to see things go this way. If you had just tried the peacefull way first, things would have looked so much more different.
Note: This post is not a "NORAD Statement" of any kind - just my personal thoughts.
You sure we got a 10 sec warning ? Cause with me they had a covert op sneaking on to me... and then there 6 BS just landed ontop of me and ganked me.... im sure i got no warning at all.. so if I meet them in Stain/catch ill sure gank them 2.
who u r??? do not even know u...
*** Guardians Die but Do Not Surrender *** |
Lifewire
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Posted - 2004.10.13 14:54:00 -
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Since there are 2 NORAD-factions now we want 2 billion ISK 
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Lifewire
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Posted - 2004.10.13 14:54:00 -
[48]
Since there are 2 NORAD-factions now we want 2 billion ISK
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Akan
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Posted - 2004.10.13 15:08:00 -
[49]
Originally by: Lifewire
Since there are 2 NORAD-factions now we want 2 billion ISK
keep playin with your frigates and dont speak with old boys kid 
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Akan
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Posted - 2004.10.13 15:08:00 -
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Originally by: Lifewire
Since there are 2 NORAD-factions now we want 2 billion ISK
keep playin with your frigates and dont speak with old boys kid
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XpoHoc
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Posted - 2004.10.13 15:28:00 -
[51]
Akan, please...
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XpoHoc
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Posted - 2004.10.13 15:28:00 -
[52]
Akan, please...
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zincol
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Posted - 2004.10.13 15:33:00 -
[53]
hey lucian got them skill points back that u lost when we podded you? whoops.
w00t!
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zincol
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Posted - 2004.10.13 15:33:00 -
[54]
hey lucian got them skill points back that u lost when we podded you? whoops.
w00t!
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Lucian Alucard
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Posted - 2004.10.13 20:20:00 -
[55]
Awww BDCI makes a vid and says thank you for helping them and you think ur god cuz u poded me and I lost 50k sp. Your sooooooooo "L337". Grow up!
Please stop being a third rate flamer,I am tired of reactivating my account just to kick your ass. |
Lucian Alucard
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Posted - 2004.10.13 20:20:00 -
[56]
Awww BDCI makes a vid and says thank you for helping them and you think ur god cuz u poded me and I lost 50k sp. Your sooooooooo "L337". Grow up!
Please stop being a third rate flamer,I am tired of reactivating my account just to kick your ass. |
Akan
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Posted - 2004.10.13 20:44:00 -
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Edited by: Akan on 13/10/2004 20:52:24
Originally by: XpoHoc
Akan, please...
yeah i know...sorry it was a bad joke 
by the way seems u got some isk in your wallet thx to us, hope u didnt spend all 
also hope u enjoyed the show
*** Guardians Die but Do Not Surrender *** |
Akan
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Posted - 2004.10.13 20:44:00 -
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Edited by: Akan on 13/10/2004 20:52:24
Originally by: XpoHoc
Akan, please...
yeah i know...sorry it was a bad joke
by the way seems u got some isk in your wallet thx to us, hope u didnt spend all
also hope u enjoyed the show
*** Guardians Die but Do Not Surrender *** |
MAXSuicide
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Posted - 2004.10.13 21:09:00 -
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from what ive seen/heard u were owned luc and ur corp ;)
zinc: u got fa's permission to talk before u flame allies? :P
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MAXSuicide
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Posted - 2004.10.13 21:09:00 -
[60]
from what ive seen/heard u were owned luc and ur corp ;)
zinc: u got fa's permission to talk before u flame allies? :P
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nizzin
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Posted - 2004.10.13 22:33:00 -
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Originally by: Lucian Alucard
So like your basically angry at us cuz we have some old pirates and had a few security breachs. Secondly we (NORAD) had a now confirmed spy/traitor in our midst for quite awhile who just left for DIRTY SANCHEZ
Get your facts straight before you speak. The two pilots who left a NORAD corp and joined us I've known for quite some time. We never ran ops in pf-346 till after they left. So what advantage does that lend us, them not being in NORAD? Because they left a NORAD corp does not make them traitors it simply means they wished for a different style of gameplay. The people who remain in the corp whitch they hail from are no more at fault. They have always supported NORAD and continue to the best of my knowledge. Allow me to make the point abundantly clear by saying that we, or any other entity, do not need spies to run a few effective ops against your Alliance. We did it out of fun and the fact that the two pilots were former NORAD means nothing. Lighten up.
Cry havoc! And let slip the dogs of war!
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nizzin
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Posted - 2004.10.13 22:33:00 -
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Originally by: Lucian Alucard
So like your basically angry at us cuz we have some old pirates and had a few security breachs. Secondly we (NORAD) had a now confirmed spy/traitor in our midst for quite awhile who just left for DIRTY SANCHEZ
Get your facts straight before you speak. The two pilots who left a NORAD corp and joined us I've known for quite some time. We never ran ops in pf-346 till after they left. So what advantage does that lend us, them not being in NORAD? Because they left a NORAD corp does not make them traitors it simply means they wished for a different style of gameplay. The people who remain in the corp whitch they hail from are no more at fault. They have always supported NORAD and continue to the best of my knowledge. Allow me to make the point abundantly clear by saying that we, or any other entity, do not need spies to run a few effective ops against your Alliance. We did it out of fun and the fact that the two pilots were former NORAD means nothing. Lighten up.
Cry havoc! And let slip the dogs of war!
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Akan
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Posted - 2004.10.13 22:36:00 -
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Originally by: MAXSuicide
from what ive seen/heard u were owned luc and ur corp ;)
zinc: u got fa's permission to talk before u flame allies? :P
u can check our kill list, link above
we lost an arma, a maller, a carcal, an atron and one tristan for all kill u can c on the kill list 
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Akan
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Posted - 2004.10.13 22:36:00 -
[64]
Originally by: MAXSuicide
from what ive seen/heard u were owned luc and ur corp ;)
zinc: u got fa's permission to talk before u flame allies? :P
u can check our kill list, link above
we lost an arma, a maller, a carcal, an atron and one tristan for all kill u can c on the kill list
*** Guardians Die but Do Not Surrender *** |
Balthorus
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Posted - 2004.10.13 22:47:00 -
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Akan, U forgot a kestrel :P
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Balthorus
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Posted - 2004.10.13 22:47:00 -
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Akan, U forgot a kestrel :P
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Akan
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Posted - 2004.10.13 23:12:00 -
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Originally by: Balthorus
Akan, U forgot a kestrel :P
damn a kestrel too...unacceptable u guys didnt report me this huge loss...
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Akan
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Posted - 2004.10.13 23:12:00 -
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Originally by: Balthorus
Akan, U forgot a kestrel :P
damn a kestrel too...unacceptable u guys didnt report me this huge loss...
*** Guardians Die but Do Not Surrender *** |
Evel Knievel
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Posted - 2004.10.14 04:17:00 -
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Evel Knievel
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